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Alias |
I have to give a talk on Padre to Sydney.pm on Tuesday, anyone know what the recommended way of installing it on Mac is? |
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wallasey |
Alias: Padre on Mac |
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wallasey |
http://wiki.wxperl.info/w/inde[…]_X_Platform_Notes lists three ways |
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wallasey |
I've tested all. |
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wallasey |
Probably, perlbrew approach is best overall |
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wallasey |
If you want a binary dist, Citrus is quirky, but open. |
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wallasey |
I have PPMs for ActivePerl 5.12 at www.wxperl.co.uk/repository |
| 03:43 |
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Alias |
What's the quickest |
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Alias |
I'm giving a talk to a room of Perl people, so I assume at least some will want to do a quick dump and go |
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wallasey |
As a quick look around, Citrus - because all the Wx stuff is already included |
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Alias |
ok |
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Alias |
hmm, that Common Menubar thing is quite interesting |
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wallasey |
Yes - you need some active Mac developers to make Padre a bit more OSX friendly |
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Alias |
Yup |
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Alias |
But that's been hard while it's been hard to install |
| 03:46 |
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Alias |
Making it easier to install should fix the quality of it on Mac fairly quickly |
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wallasey |
And face up the the issue that the standard locations for user configs on MacOSX |
| 03:46 |
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wallasey |
Have spaces in them -- yugghhhh |
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Alias |
That shouldn't be a problem, should it? |
| 03:46 |
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Alias |
File::HomeDir will spit out a "correct" path |
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wallasey |
True, that will work |
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wallasey |
But if you wanted to be truly OSX'sh you probably ought to use other locations |
| 03:48 |
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wallasey |
but that'll keep for the future I guess |
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Alias |
truly? :) |
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Alias |
File::HomeDir calls the official Mac system calls |
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wallasey |
Yes - it gets you your 'Home' directory |
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Alias |
I don't see how we can do much better |
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Alias |
No, it gets your application data directory |
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Alias |
We don't use home |
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Alias |
File::HomeDir->my_data |
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Alias |
Mac::SystemDirectory::NSApplicationSupportDirectory() |
| 03:51 |
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Alias |
Of course, it's entirely possible that's not working right for some reason or another |
| 03:51 |
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wallasey |
I now, I contributed some minor fixes to Mac::SystemDirectory so it would work on the bizarre configs you need for Wx on Mac |
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wallasey |
now = know |
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Alias |
I didn't implement the mac or linux drivers, I just marshall fixes from others |
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Alias |
BTW, how much influence do you have on the Wx.pm module |
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Alias |
You're releasing it now I see, but are you able to make substantive changes? |
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wallasey |
One thing for your talk - 0.86 has issues - now fixed in trunk I think - with settings |
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Alias |
Ya, I noticed :) |
| 03:53 |
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Alias |
My main problem with Wx is that it doesn't do constants as constants |
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wallasey |
Wx - I can do the work for substansive changes - but I would always run such by Mattia first out of courtesy |
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Alias |
The AUTOLOAD stuff seems to do more harm than good, because the compiler can't optimise it away |
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Alias |
I've been wanting to have all the constants come into existance at Wx::wxCONSTANT_NAME at compile time as proper constants |
| 03:54 |
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Alias |
That would simplify the games I need to play in Padre::Wx and quite possibly speed up or reduce the compiled opcode trees for lots of things |
| 03:55 |
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Alias |
Wx really does expect you to import constants, but that's not scalable |
| 03:56 |
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Alias |
You end up spending multiple megs of memory just to keep all those system table entries around |
| 03:56 |
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Alias |
Or lots of code to maintain to do fine grained control of importing |
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Alias |
I think I managed to estimate once that Padre would consume 10+ meg of ram just in constants |
| 03:57 |
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Alias |
(Which is why Padre always uses Wx::wxCONSTANT_NAME |
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Alias |
) |
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wallasey |
Hmm - I recall you having a conversation on wx list. I'll take a look at that and then get to grips with how Wx does constants internally. I think I did the hard part by getting to grips with how Wx does C++ structure to perl structure binding. |
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wallasey |
Maybe constants will be simples :) |
| 03:59 |
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Alias |
Thanks |
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Alias |
Hopefully |
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Alias |
Especially if you have all the relevant C++ mojo |
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Alias |
We've been a bit light on the C-fu since we lost Stephen to real world stuff |
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Alias |
:) |
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wallasey |
My C++ mojo is a mere whiff of competence - but I like to think I'm persistent :) |
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Alias |
I'll probably ask for your help at some point to investigate the bugs in the threading API |
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Alias |
You're certainly persistant |
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Alias |
That's how I managed to get Strawberry rolling |
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Alias |
Seeing as I know nothing about windows installation |
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Alias |
Just keep iterating |
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Alias |
Threading has some weird problem where the threads go zombie or block on PlThreadEvent or something |
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Alias |
But that's a hard problem |
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Alias |
Fixing the constant generation is relatively straight forward :) |
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wallasey |
I think you are right :) |
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Alias |
afk meeting |
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szabgab |
New -> Perl Distribution still crashes padre in trunk but there is a (New) version of it |
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Alias |
(New) is my FormBuilder replacement |
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szabgab |
What's the story? Can we get rid of the old one? |
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Alias |
It shouldn't have made it to prod |
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Alias |
I don't think it works yet |
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szabgab |
so I comment out both |
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Alias |
Actually, it might even have a dev wrapper around it |
| 05:21 |
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szabgab |
cause the old one crashes now |
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* Alias |
tries it |
| 05:22 |
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Alias |
WORKSFORME |
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Alias |
I don't really like the current one anyways though :) |
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szabgab |
I get Usage: Wx::Button::GetDefaultSize(THIS) at D:/work/padre/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog.pm line 461. |
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Alias |
That got fixes |
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Alias |
fixed |
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szabgab |
hmm, let me try to svn up again, maybe I was not on trunk? |
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szabgab |
r14851 |
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Hyppolit |
Changeset #14851 http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14851 |
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szabgab |
that is HEAD |
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szabgab |
oh I have some unmet dependencies |
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Alias |
Ta da! |
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Alias |
:) |
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Alias |
Yeah, I think it was "fixed" in Wx or something |
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szabgab |
ah |
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* szabgab |
installing Wx |
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szabgab |
Alias: have you seen my blog post about the name I am looking for? |
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Alias |
I'm cool with temporarily removing the New Distribution functionality though |
| 05:27 |
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Alias |
Now that the wxFormBuilder stuff is finished off, I'm going back to replacing more Wx::Dialog classes with form builder ones after this weekend |
| 05:27 |
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szabgab |
kmx suggested I should talk to Curtis about maybe turning my "Super giant Perl" into "Strawberry Professional" or "Strawberry Extended" |
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Alias |
Not going to happen, as long as you aren't using MSI |
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Alias |
We can't have two different versions of strawberry using entirely different installers |
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Alias |
You can use a non-installing Zip file, or a Portable version maybe... |
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Alias |
But not an installer |
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szabgab |
That sounds like the smaller issue, the bigger one is if you even wanted to have all this stuff included in either of those? |
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szabgab |
the smaller issue to solve, I mean |
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Alias |
oh, maybe I need to read the blog :) |
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szabgab |
I assume either of you could actually teach me how to build the MSI things, unless it actually requires coding in C++ |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r14852 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14852 |
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Hyppolit |
When a lock exists (and then is released) during global destruction, the owner of the locker may no longer exist. In this case, don't do the special Wx::AuiNotebook sizing workaround logic. |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/ |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r14853 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14853 |
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Hyppolit |
When a lock exists (and then is released) during global destruction, the owner of the locker may no longer exist. In this case, don't do the special Wx::AuiNotebook sizing workaround logic. |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre/ |
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szabgab |
Alias: and/or my e-mail :) |
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Alias |
Building the MSI just requires you install and use the Perl::Dist::Strawberry module |
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Alias |
Which does all the work |
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Alias |
And then you sub-class it |
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Alias |
Or at least, that's what you did when I was maintaining it |
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Alias |
Curtis has some relatively cargo cultish ideas about splitting out functionality I'm not a fan of |
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Alias |
And I don't know that Perl::Dist::Strawberry actually builds strawberry out the box any more |
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szabgab |
I don't want to build Strawberry myself |
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szabgab |
I'd like to start from an already built Strawberry and just add a few (or a lot) of modules |
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Alias |
I'm pretty sure if you use Perl::Dist::Chocolate it consumes Strawberry via a merge module |
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szabgab |
and maybe add some configuration |
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Alias |
That was the idea anyway |
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szabgab |
and conceptually? all the stuff I would want to add? |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r14854 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14854 |
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Hyppolit |
Noting the second half of the UNC change |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre/ |
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Alias |
Strawberry Professional really hasn't been defined properly |
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Alias |
Other than at a conceptual product level |
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Alias |
url to the blog post? |
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szabgab |
http://szabgab.com |
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szabgab |
I prefer the name "Extended Strawberry Perl" |
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szabgab |
than professional |
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szabgab |
I think it conveys my thoughts better |
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szabgab |
oh and cl;ick on the permalink to see the comments |
| 05:50 |
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Alias |
Well, the original concept was that it's a Perl distribution for people on Windows that are (or are training to be) professional Perl developers |
| 05:50 |
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Alias |
So the core set of additions like Padre and such are things that such people need |
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szabgab |
yes I know that but in my distro I'd like to go beyond that |
| 05:51 |
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Alias |
Strawberry Perl Complete? |
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Alias |
"As much as we can possibly jam into one distro" |
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szabgab |
Extended sounds better |
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szabgab |
complete is just too, err complete :) |
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Alias |
Trouble is that Extended is relative |
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Alias |
Extended compared to what |
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Alias |
And does that mean Professional isn't Extended? |
| 05:52 |
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Alias |
Or Professional is an Extended Extended? |
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szabgab |
no Extend is extending even professional |
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szabgab |
IMHO |
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Alias |
So it's Strawberry Perl Professional Extended? |
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szabgab |
once professional is out |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r14855 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14855 |
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Hyppolit |
AppVersion of the Padre on Strawberry package |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/tools/ |
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szabgab |
maybe it should be called Kickstart Perl ? |
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Sewi |
Call it like a Ubuntu package: perl-dev :-) |
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El_Che |
no |
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El_Che |
kickstart is redhat automatic install system |
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El_Che |
it sounds like an scripting language geared for that use |
| 07:01 |
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szabgab |
"Sweet Perl Suit" |
| 07:03 |
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tome |
Hi all, a week or so ago I was working on packaging a new padre for OSX as a dmg. If anyone is interested I was hoping that Cava Packager would work, since that would be a nice easy solution, but I had major problems with it, and I may end up posting on their mailing list to see if someone has advice. According to the docs, it *should* be able to easily package up the latest perl+cpan w/ padre. Anyway I may get more time |
| 07:03 |
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tome |
to play this Friday. I also tried perl pp briefly, but no luck on creating a single standalone bundle. |
| 07:10 |
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szabgab |
tome: Mark jsut told me he encountered some issue with Cava packagin Padre |
| 07:10 |
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szabgab |
and was fixing those issue |
| 07:10 |
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szabgab |
please do get in touch with him to share your work |
| 07:11 |
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szabgab |
Mark Dootson, who wrote Cava |
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szabgab |
and no PAR and Padre dislike each other |
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tome |
Hi szabgab, I'll do so. I know there was a bug in their scintilla rule (or the lack thereof) but I was having other issues too |
| 07:12 |
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szabgab |
I am sure Mark will be happy to get thos bug reports |
| 07:12 |
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szabgab |
as he wants Cava to work perfect |
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tome |
It would be awesome if cava could package padre and we'd have a very easy description of how to do it, since all the work of getting Padre on a clean perl in OSX has already been done by others (I just scripted it) |
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tome |
Thanks szabgab, is he working on packaging Padre as well? Wouldn't want to duplicate his effort |
| 07:13 |
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szabgab |
exactly, it is better to share the effort |
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tome |
cool, ok thanks for the update, I'll reach out to him. |
| 07:16 |
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tome |
szabgab: can you tell me a little more about why PAR wouldn't work, what does padre do that is special other than needing to be run from wxPerl |
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Sewi |
tome: Padre requires a perl binary for syntax checking and running things, PAR does not allow direct access to the packed perl binary |
| 07:21 |
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Sewi |
But we may assume that a perl is preinstalled on every Mac and use this one, would be worth a try. |
| 07:21 |
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tome |
oh no that would be terrible |
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tome |
: ( |
| 07:21 |
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Sewi |
why? |
| 07:22 |
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tome |
the OSX perl is old, I run perlbrew for development |
| 07:22 |
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tome |
i would want padre to use my local perl for syntax checking etc. |
| 07:22 |
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szabgab |
tome: IMHO there should be two packages |
| 07:22 |
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tome |
at worst, I'd want it to use the one it's packaged with |
| 07:22 |
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szabgab |
one is Padre stand alone that would use an external perl for running things using F5 |
| 07:22 |
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szabgab |
it could use system perl or a perlbrew perl |
| 07:23 |
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Sewi |
tome: You could always define another perl in the settings |
| 07:23 |
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szabgab |
but it would come with an internal perl version that the end user should not care |
| 07:23 |
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Sewi |
tome: And we could teach Padre to either detect perlbrew or do something like "which perl" to get the binary. |
| 07:23 |
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szabgab |
Sewi: that only works for some of the things |
| 07:24 |
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szabgab |
but that should be fixed |
| 07:24 |
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szabgab |
tome: the other package should be a perl that happens to include padre as well and then you don't need the perlbrew |
| 07:24 |
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szabgab |
I think these two are for different cases and for different peopl |
| 07:24 |
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Sewi |
But having a working PAR packed Padre for Mac would be one step ahead, I think we shouldn't care about _which_ binary to use as long as we could assume that there is one. |
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szabgab |
Sewi: we were down the road of PAR and it cannot work |
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szabgab |
as it is now |
| 07:25 |
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Sewi |
Once the Padre-PAR is working, we could care about which perl to use |
| 07:25 |
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szabgab |
or |
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El_Che |
lo |
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El_Che |
a bug we need to big |
| 07:25 |
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szabgab |
actually I think I fixed the issue we had with PAR |
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Sewi |
szabgab: I went through the IRC logs lately and found no other reason than the missing perl binary |
| 07:25 |
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El_Che |
: windows do not close when clicking on the X icon |
| 07:25 |
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El_Che |
they close with ctrl +w |
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szabgab |
Sewi: yeah the issue was the missing perl binary that we needed to build the padre datbase |
| 07:26 |
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szabgab |
so it could not be an external perl |
| 07:26 |
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szabgab |
but I think I fixed it a while ago |
| 07:26 |
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szabgab |
I just never went further in trying PAR again |
| 07:27 |
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szabgab |
El_Che: that's NOT GOOD |
| 07:27 |
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Sewi |
szabgab: This is what I found: http://irclog.perlgeek.de/padr[…]9-09-11#i_1491574 |
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tome |
my thinking is that Padre should have a setting that tells it which perl to use to run all syntax check,etc. Once you have that, then I don't see yet how you can have two packages, since the point of packaging padre is avoiding having the end user compile all the wx* stuff. If they can compile everything, then they can cpanm padre (which should work) |
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szabgab |
El_Che: they seem to be closing for me on trunk on Windows |
| 07:28 |
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El_Che |
szabgab: that is a very bad impression, so needs to be fixed before the release |
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tome |
I don't 'get' the padre-not-shipped with perl, since to me that's just cpan no? |
| 07:28 |
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szabgab |
Sewi: yeah I remember that issue, that is still not done in PAR but I think now we don't need the external binary any more |
| 07:29 |
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szabgab |
someone could try that in their free time :) |
| 07:29 |
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Sewi |
tome: There is such a setting :-) |
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tome |
Sewi: cool, so then I'm still not sure what a 'padre that uses the system perl' means |
| 07:30 |
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tome |
but I realize I'm being dense as I'm pretty tired |
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tome |
also, from what I read padre on OSX needs 32bit perl |
| 07:31 |
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szabgab |
tome: peple can always intsall padre using cpan, more or less |
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tome |
szabgab: not on osx, alas, since it requires 32bit perl (I read, didn't try non-32) |
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tome |
do you agree? |
| 07:32 |
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tome |
not padre, to be clear but the newer wx |
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szabgab |
tome: that's what I hear |
| 07:41 |
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szabgab |
but you can brew perl and install there right? |
| 07:41 |
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tome |
well not exactly, because the brew is padre specific |
| 07:41 |
|
tome |
its 32 bit |
| 07:41 |
|
tome |
you don't want to run your actual product on that during dev |
| 07:42 |
|
tome |
since dev is probably 64 bit? or who knows |
| 07:42 |
|
tome |
the padre perl has enough restrictions that i personally want to sandbox it |
| 07:42 |
|
tome |
so basically yes you can do exactly what my script does |
| 07:43 |
|
tome |
set up a brew 'sandbox' build 32 bit perl in it, and then set up an alias to Padre that sets the brew env for the padre command to the sandbox |
| 07:43 |
|
tome |
and that script is really simple |
| 07:43 |
|
tome |
I'd be happy to post it |
| 07:43 |
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Sewi |
El_Che: WORKSFORME, too. |
| 07:44 |
|
tome |
cava for me would just package that brew sandbox into a DMG |
| 07:44 |
|
tome |
or pp |
| 07:45 |
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szabgab |
tome: right so that's for people who want a padre and want a separate perl they brew themsleves |
| 07:46 |
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szabgab |
but there are other people who just start using perl for example and don't know how to brew |
| 07:46 |
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tome |
right, totally. and the DMG is for those people |
| 07:46 |
|
tome |
cause they get the whole sandbox |
| 07:46 |
|
tome |
with all the right modules, already built, AND we don't mess up their perl |
| 07:47 |
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szabgab |
tome: they don't have a perl |
| 07:47 |
|
tome |
the system perl |
| 07:47 |
|
szabgab |
the beginners that is |
| 07:47 |
|
szabgab |
but that's old right? |
| 07:47 |
|
szabgab |
and has few modules |
| 07:47 |
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szabgab |
I'd like to give a beginner a package that has *everything* in it |
| 07:47 |
|
tome |
right, yes, they may be tempted to try cpanm (er cpan -i) Padre even... which is bad : ) |
| 07:48 |
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tome |
szabgab: isn't that the DMG I'm talking about? |
| 07:48 |
|
szabgab |
nope |
| 07:48 |
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tome |
it's the whole 32bit perl + wx + padre |
| 07:48 |
|
szabgab |
becuase people who know how to brew perl |
| 07:48 |
|
szabgab |
can install whatever they need for their development using cpanm |
| 07:49 |
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szabgab |
and they don't want to install 700 Mb including tons of module |
| 07:49 |
|
szabgab |
they onl need the editor and its plugins |
| 07:49 |
|
szabgab |
that's DMG too of course |
| 07:49 |
|
szabgab |
but that DMG is way bigger |
| 07:50 |
|
szabgab |
and the padre inside that DMG will ue its own perl asthe development perl |
| 07:50 |
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szabgab |
while the stand-alone padre will use an extrenal perl (euther system or the one you brewed) |
| 07:51 |
|
tome |
ok so there is monolithpadre which is (32bit perl + base cpan + wx + padre) that's the Big one you say. |
| 07:51 |
|
tome |
then you propose a minipadre dmg |
| 07:51 |
|
tome |
that has...? |
| 07:51 |
|
tome |
no extra cpan other than what padre + wx needs? |
| 07:52 |
|
tome |
oh i see now sorry |
| 07:52 |
|
tome |
basically you want a package that is just padre + wx |
| 07:52 |
|
tome |
no perl |
| 07:52 |
|
El_Che |
Sewi, szabgab : it works here again, mm |
| 07:52 |
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szabgab |
tome: no :) |
| 07:52 |
|
tome |
sorry, tell me one more time if you have the patience :) |
| 07:52 |
|
tome |
late here for me... |
| 07:53 |
|
szabgab |
1) perl + wx + padre + padre::plugin::*some |
| 07:53 |
|
tome |
right, that's the one I'm working on now |
| 07:53 |
|
szabgab |
2) (1) + Moose + everything else on CPAN |
| 07:53 |
|
tome |
oh |
| 07:53 |
|
tome |
Got it |
| 07:53 |
|
szabgab |
or maybe just half of CPAN |
| 07:53 |
|
tome |
finally |
| 07:53 |
|
tome |
: ) |
| 07:53 |
|
szabgab |
:) |
| 07:53 |
|
tome |
you want 'PERL DEVELOPMENT IN A DMG' |
| 07:54 |
|
szabgab |
the former is for people who know how to brew |
| 07:54 |
|
szabgab |
the latter for people who don't know or don't want to brew |
| 07:54 |
|
tome |
why do you say that though |
| 07:54 |
|
tome |
the former works for people who do not brew |
| 07:54 |
|
szabgab |
why do I sy what? |
| 07:54 |
|
tome |
"he former is for people who know how to brew" The former does not require brew, or anything |
| 07:54 |
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szabgab |
oh works, you mean they can edit files right? |
| 07:55 |
|
szabgab |
szabgab: it does not require for its own running right |
| 07:55 |
|
Alias |
"Perl Development in a DMG" would be pretty close to a Strawberry Perl Professional for Mac definition |
| 07:55 |
|
szabgab |
but if you want to write modern perl you would still need to install a large chunk of CPAN and maybe even brew a perl for yourself, right? |
| 07:56 |
|
Alias |
First step to having separate "The Perl that Padre runs on" and "The Perl that Padre executes code with" would probably be config entries |
| 07:56 |
|
tome |
szabgab: now I understand, yes |
| 07:56 |
|
szabgab |
and that's OK because you know how to do it |
| 07:56 |
|
szabgab |
but beginners don't know |
| 07:56 |
|
tome |
brew is not required for Padre, but if you don't want to use old mac perl, you need brew |
| 07:56 |
|
szabgab |
exactly |
| 07:57 |
|
szabgab |
and the larger package wold just eliminate that extra work |
| 07:57 |
|
szabgab |
from the end user |
| 07:57 |
|
tome |
szabgab: well those two things are really easy, I agree with Alias, it's just a different build config to pull in more files |
| 07:57 |
|
tome |
but in the future could do cool things like set up a nice |
| 07:57 |
|
Alias |
Padre::Perl is where the "Where is perl" logic is kepy |
| 07:57 |
|
Alias |
Padre::Perl is where the "Where is perl" logic is kept |
| 07:57 |
|
Alias |
But mostly that assumes you want to run the SAME Perl as the one Padre is executing with |
| 07:58 |
|
szabgab |
Alias: as far as I rememeber and as far as Mark told me there are some parts of padre |
| 07:58 |
|
szabgab |
that still don;t use that info |
| 07:58 |
|
Alias |
So Padre::Perl is there for Padre to execute parts of itself inside itself |
| 07:58 |
|
szabgab |
traversing @INC |
| 07:58 |
|
Alias |
Like the database migration scripts |
| 07:58 |
|
tome |
web dev env for them using Plack / Catalyst / Dancer/ etc. |
| 07:58 |
|
szabgab |
Alias: I think I changed the database migration to use do {} |
| 07:58 |
|
szabgab |
and not external perl |
| 07:58 |
|
szabgab |
but I am not sure :) |
| 07:59 |
|
Alias |
uuuhhh, that's a pretty bad idea |
| 07:59 |
|
szabgab |
we should check |
| 07:59 |
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| 07:59 |
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Alias |
They are supposed to be isolated |
| 07:59 |
|
szabgab |
it workd |
| 07:59 |
|
szabgab |
:) |
| 07:59 |
|
Alias |
It APPEARED to work |
| 07:59 |
|
Alias |
And it worked for the current set of scripts |
| 07:59 |
|
szabgab |
I did not see anything in there that would require extrnal work |
| 07:59 |
|
szabgab |
isolation that is |
| 08:00 |
|
szabgab |
right, so maybe the current set of scripts don't require isolation? |
| 08:00 |
|
Alias |
right |
| 08:00 |
|
szabgab |
then we should stick to that kind of scripts :) |
| 08:00 |
|
Alias |
At least when used the way we currently use them |
| 08:00 |
|
Alias |
Then they shouldn't be scripts |
| 08:00 |
|
Alias |
We should turn them into modules or something |
| 08:00 |
|
szabgab |
probably right |
| 08:01 |
|
szabgab |
or not probably |
| 08:01 |
|
szabgab |
just right |
| 08:01 |
|
szabgab |
but I did not want to go that far against you plans :) |
| 08:01 |
|
tome |
Alias, you mentioned that the DMG of padre that includes tons of cpan + maybe even some more utilities is looking like Strawberry Perl Professional |
| 08:02 |
|
Alias |
So instead you broke the feature that actually mattered, while hiding the fact you did it? :/ |
| 08:02 |
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| 08:02 |
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tome |
Does that worry anyone? I wouldn't want to cannibalize a business that supports Perl |
| 08:02 |
|
szabgab |
szabgab++ |
| 08:02 |
|
Alias |
Granted, this IS easier to revert :) |
| 08:02 |
|
Alias |
tome: Strawberry Perl isn't a business |
| 08:02 |
|
tome |
ah, I got confused by the 'Professional' |
| 08:02 |
|
Alias |
It's a 3 page website that goes out of it's way to look at least somewhat professional :) |
| 08:02 |
|
tome |
i don't know anything about it |
| 08:03 |
|
szabgab |
tome: we just had a discussion with Alias regarding the "big huge perl" I wanted |
| 08:03 |
|
Alias |
Strawberry Perl Professional will be also free, but "For Professionals" |
| 08:03 |
|
Alias |
Basically |
| 08:03 |
|
tome |
is that windows only? |
| 08:03 |
|
Alias |
Right |
| 08:03 |
|
tome |
ah |
| 08:03 |
|
Alias |
Well, so far |
| 08:03 |
|
szabgab |
tome: you are not alone with that confusion |
| 08:03 |
|
Alias |
Certainly Strawberry's core code is an MSI builder |
| 08:03 |
|
tome |
apparently Larry uses it ; ) |
| 08:03 |
|
Alias |
I know, he told me. And I added that to the image :) |
| 08:03 |
|
szabgab |
I heard a few people syaing they don't want to use professional as this is for their home usage |
| 08:04 |
|
tome |
Alias: so you are the man-(woman)-behind-the-strawberry? |
| 08:04 |
|
Alias |
If the name becomes a problem we can change it |
| 08:04 |
|
Alias |
tome: Founder, spiritual leader, not the current maintainer |
| 08:05 |
|
tome |
cool! |
| 08:05 |
|
szabgab |
the cult of Strawberry where alias is the spiritual leader :) |
| 08:06 |
|
Alias |
Not much of a leader |
| 08:06 |
|
tome |
so then strawberry has already defined a good set of 'platform' packages that should be there for the large DMG? |
| 08:06 |
|
Alias |
Mostly just product definition, and occasionally stamping a foot and saying "Too complicated, less clicks!" |
| 08:06 |
|
szabgab |
I managed to add our butterfly as a background to my youtube channel now if I could also add a link in there :) |
| 08:06 |
|
Alias |
Strawberry has a product definition that is suitable for you |
| 08:06 |
|
Alias |
"Perl for Windows, for people that know Perl but don't know Windows" |
| 08:07 |
|
Alias |
So it's the core, plus all the modules that are needed to install other modules |
| 08:07 |
|
Alias |
Plus pre-configured settings for CPAN |
| 08:07 |
|
tome |
and if we keep them in sync, then maybe one day we can break out the Win specific stuff, and then any improvement in things like a dancer auto-install that 'just works' can be shared |
| 08:07 |
|
Alias |
Plus some super-common things that are really hard to install yourself (like database drivers for MySQL, Pg, etc) |
| 08:07 |
|
Alias |
No way in hell you'll end up with a common base |
| 08:08 |
|
szabgab |
So in a similar way my iea is "Perl for Windows, for people that don't know Perl" |
| 08:08 |
|
Alias |
Doing things the MSI way is really twisty |
| 08:08 |
|
Alias |
szabgab: That was always Professional |
| 08:08 |
|
Alias |
"Perl for Windows, for people that know Windows but don't know Perl" |
| 08:08 |
|
szabgab |
I would not even include the "know Windows" part : ) |
| 08:08 |
|
Alias |
We maybe bloated it a bit too much |
| 08:08 |
|
tome |
I don't see the word professional on this website |
| 08:08 |
|
tome |
am I crazy? |
| 08:09 |
|
szabgab |
tome: it is a planned package |
| 08:09 |
|
Alias |
tome: That's because we try to keep the site small, easy to maintain and professional |
| 08:09 |
|
tome |
ah |
| 08:09 |
|
tome |
hehe |
| 08:09 |
|
Alias |
We don't talk about anything in public unless it works |
| 08:09 |
|
Alias |
You can't even see the beta release page unless you know where it is |
| 08:09 |
|
tome |
gagaga |
| 08:09 |
|
tome |
oops |
| 08:09 |
|
tome |
hahaha |
| 08:09 |
|
tome |
nice |
| 08:09 |
|
tome |
well hidden |
| 08:09 |
|
Alias |
You'll notice that we're violating that rule slightly atm |
| 08:09 |
|
Alias |
http://strawberryperl.com/beta/ |
| 08:09 |
|
tome |
yes |
| 08:09 |
|
tome |
already there |
| 08:09 |
|
Alias |
right |
| 08:10 |
|
tome |
brilliant |
| 08:10 |
|
Alias |
The core idea of Straweberry is to simplify everything |
| 08:10 |
|
Alias |
So the simple website just kind of went with it |
| 08:10 |
|
Alias |
And websites with no content are really easy to maintain :) |
| 08:10 |
|
tome |
it makes me hungry |
| 08:10 |
|
szabgab |
Alias: I think, while "it works" is a nice expression in my planned package the applications don't have to be perfect to be included |
| 08:10 |
|
Alias |
That's also intentional |
| 08:11 |
|
Alias |
szabgab: Fine by me |
| 08:11 |
|
tome |
so strawberry perl will always be free? |
| 08:11 |
|
szabgab |
that's probably the reason it should not be the same as Straberry Professonal |
| 08:11 |
|
Alias |
But Strawberry doesn't ship till stuff works |
| 08:11 |
|
tome |
'cause I think if we go down the road with Cava, it needs to be |
| 08:11 |
|
Alias |
I really agree |
| 08:11 |
|
tome |
but that's just my thinking |
| 08:11 |
|
tome |
Cava seems very strict about charging for things |
| 08:11 |
|
Alias |
We do a 64-bit package, but it's got heaps less in it |
| 08:11 |
|
Alias |
We just drop everything that doesn't work |
| 08:12 |
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szabgab |
tome: we can use Cava free of charge but it is not open source |
| 08:12 |
|
szabgab |
but there is Citrus perl from Mark which is free |
| 08:12 |
|
szabgab |
and includes Wx already |
| 08:12 |
|
tome |
szabgab: I guess I mean that cava seems strict that you can only use it for free if what you're doing is absolutely not going to make you money |
| 08:13 |
|
szabgab |
tome: I think we can always discuss this with Mark :) |
| 08:13 |
|
tome |
I saw that but wanted to stay away, I wanted to see if I could get a DMG with a straight perlbrew, since cava *should* be able to do it |
| 08:13 |
|
szabgab |
cava is not citrus |
| 08:14 |
|
tome |
szabgab: we agree |
| 08:16 |
|
tome |
ok then I'll talk to Mark about the problems I had with Cava, and I'll see if I can make more progress this week. I won't keep trying pp for now unless you guys think it should work. |
| 08:17 |
|
tome |
Thanks for the steering |
| 08:18 |
|
Alias |
n/p |
| 08:18 |
|
Alias |
If you can give me a big bang drop in working Padre package by Tuesday though, that would be neat |
| 08:18 |
|
Alias |
:) |
| 08:18 |
|
Alias |
I'll give it away to Sydney.pm |
| 08:18 |
|
Alias |
Who are quite interested in Padre on Mac |
| 08:18 |
|
tome |
hm.... |
| 08:18 |
|
tome |
a deadline : ) |
| 08:18 |
|
Alias |
If you can automated the perlbrew build process, that would be even more awesome |
| 08:18 |
|
tome |
that's even better |
| 08:18 |
|
Alias |
Cause then other people can take over when you get bored :) |
| 08:18 |
|
tome |
Alias: that is already done |
| 08:19 |
|
Alias |
Where's the code |
| 08:19 |
|
Alias |
Perl::Dist::Mac? |
| 08:19 |
|
tome |
oh snap : ) |
| 08:19 |
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| 08:19 |
|
tome |
I hear ya... |
| 08:19 |
|
tome |
where would you like it, seriously? |
| 08:19 |
|
tome |
i know nothing about packaging |
| 08:19 |
|
Alias |
That's how Vanilla started |
| 08:20 |
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Alias |
I issued a challenge, and you could only win if you supplied the automation code |
| 08:20 |
|
Alias |
That's how Strawberry was created |
| 08:20 |
|
Alias |
We took that initial code and packaged it up |
| 08:20 |
|
Alias |
Perl::Dist::Mac or Perl::Dist::DMG would be the logical place |
| 08:20 |
|
Alias |
If you like you can put it into my svn repo |
| 08:20 |
|
tome |
one thing I saw was that I don't know if you can script Cava? |
| 08:21 |
|
Alias |
About 50 other major Perl people have write if they want to help |
| 08:21 |
|
Alias |
(I'm assuming you are doing it the perlbrew -> DMG direct way) |
| 08:21 |
|
tome |
i was planning on using Cava actually |
| 08:21 |
|
Alias |
oh |
| 08:21 |
|
tome |
if there is a more direct way I'd love to know about it! |
| 08:21 |
|
Alias |
Is there any other easy way to make a DMG? |
| 08:22 |
|
Alias |
That's scriptable |
| 08:22 |
|
Alias |
I'm not a Mac person, I have no idea |
| 08:22 |
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tome |
the DMG is easy, it's a DMG that runs wxPerl properly such that it 'works' with OSC |
| 08:22 |
|
tome |
OSX |
| 08:22 |
|
tome |
Cava has some loader bin I think |
| 08:22 |
|
tome |
that Mark? wrote |
| 08:22 |
|
tome |
someone wrote |
| 08:22 |
|
Alias |
ah |
| 08:22 |
|
tome |
that's my assumption right now, which could be total BS |
| 08:22 |
|
tome |
i think pp has something similar |
| 08:22 |
|
Alias |
Well then, make Perl::Dist::Macava? |
| 08:23 |
|
tome |
"Mattia Barbon for providing the myldr binary loader code." |
| 08:23 |
|
tome |
this is from the par pp page |
| 08:23 |
|
tome |
so I assumed that was the loader for OSX, what the hell do i know :D |
| 08:24 |
|
tome |
Alias: I will do these things: 1- get a script that creates a Padre runnable perl where you tell it, using brew and sandbox |
| 08:24 |
|
tome |
2- see if I can get Cava to package DMG |
| 08:24 |
|
tome |
3- see if I can script Cava by talking to those folks, or else see if Mark can suggest something |
| 08:25 |
|
tome |
I can def. do 1 in the next few days |
| 08:25 |
|
Alias |
Don't ask me how to do anything on Mac |
| 08:25 |
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| 08:25 |
|
Alias |
oh eawit |
| 08:25 |
|
Alias |
It wasn't a question :) |
| 08:25 |
|
tome |
I'm confused but that's o |
| 08:25 |
|
tome |
k |
| 08:25 |
|
Alias |
I'm happy to find you test users for anything |
| 08:25 |
|
tome |
cool |
| 08:25 |
|
Alias |
If it's just a zip file you expand into /opt/padre, then I'll just give them that |
| 08:26 |
|
Alias |
Whatever is simple |
| 08:26 |
|
tome |
most likely to work: a script that does everything from wholecloth including compiling perl |
| 08:27 |
|
tome |
that's my guess right now, but it also takes a while to build obv. |
| 08:27 |
|
Alias |
Yup |
| 08:27 |
|
Alias |
I've spent more time waiting for Strawberry to build than you can possibly imagine :) |
| 08:27 |
|
Alias |
Run for 4 hours, observe crash, tweak a line, run for another 4 hours... :) |
| 08:28 |
|
Alias |
I think the last version of Strawberry I personally built took about 16 hours to do all the variations |
| 08:28 |
|
tome |
ug |
| 08:28 |
|
Alias |
That's running ALL the test suites for all the CPAN modules and such |
| 08:28 |
|
tome |
we should be parallel building these things |
| 08:28 |
|
Alias |
That was on a 4 core machine |
| 08:28 |
|
Alias |
Builds all ran in parallel |
| 08:29 |
|
Alias |
Test suites chewed up wait more time |
| 08:29 |
|
Alias |
And parallel testing is a harder problem |
| 08:29 |
|
tome |
oh yes, I am usually tempted ( but do not ) to turn that all off |
| 08:29 |
|
Alias |
I turn it off temporarily when I'm working on something way at the end of the process, and I'm in the debugger |
| 08:29 |
|
tome |
i could provide that as an option to the script : ) |
| 08:29 |
|
Alias |
You should, it's worth it just for debugging |
| 08:29 |
|
tome |
make-my-padre --live-dangerous |
| 08:30 |
|
Alias |
When you already know most of it passes, you just want to run and watch step 32 and see it writes the correct file |
| 08:30 |
|
tome |
make-my-padre --by-the-sword |
| 08:30 |
|
Alias |
--notest |
| 08:30 |
|
Alias |
Same as CPAN |
| 08:30 |
|
tome |
sure sure... (boring0 |
| 08:30 |
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tome |
there will be aliases |
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tome |
actually I can write the script tomorrow |
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tome |
wtf |
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tome |
is today friday |
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tome |
???? |
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Alias |
It's 6:31pm Friday night here |
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tome |
it's 1.32 friday here |
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tome |
i thought it was tuesday |
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tome |
: ( |
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Alias |
hahahaha |
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bowtie |
Alias, hi |
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* tome |
writing script, also trying to finish all work he had to do for Wed & thursday |
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Alias |
bowtie: Hi |
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Alias |
Neato database client |
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Alias |
Recipe 4 |
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Sewi |
10:36 here, but still Friday :) |
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Alias |
bowtie: I changed some stuff here and there to make the plugin lighter when it isn't enabled. You use a shit-ton of heavy modules for no obvious reason other than (I suspect) because Perl Best Practices said you should |
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bowtie |
Alias, I like your xt/ testing abstraction, |
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Alias |
That adds 10-20meg to the startup memory overhead of Padre |
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Alias |
Even when the plugin is turned off |
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Alias |
I'd also ditch Moose if you can, there's another 10-20meg of ram right there |
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Alias |
Mouse is less offensive if you must use something |
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Alias |
diagnostics is 2-3meg, English is like 1.5meg |
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Alias |
utf8 is pointless if you don't use unicode |
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Alias |
etc etc |
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bowtie |
Alias, I am hoping to replace Moose with Mouse or Moo in future. as for the PBP look it is because it's a cookbook and I need a standard to work to, hence Moden Perl as well |
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Alias |
I wouldn't do that |
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Alias |
Modern Perl and friends aren't designed to produce programs that need to start and stop |
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Alias |
They load so many modules that you can only really use them for programs that daemonise |
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Alias |
MooseX::Declare loads 40meg |
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Alias |
perl5i is like 30 |
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Alias |
parent is ok, but don't use it -norequire |
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Alias |
Use parent INSTEAD of the use Module; @ISA = |
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Alias |
So use it the way it's meant to be ised |
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Alias |
used |
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bowtie |
Alias, ok, i get it, thanks cool, :) |
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Alias |
You ok if I make more changes to it? |
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bowtie |
Alias, did you get time to look at wx::frame |
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Alias |
I only really did what I felt was the minimum that it needed for when it was disabled |
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Alias |
So Wx::Frame is recipe 4? |
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Alias |
I can load it multiple times ok |
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Alias |
Doesn't crash for me |
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Alias |
I gotta run, but might be back on IRC in half an hour or so |
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bowtie |
Alias, look in fbp/recipe04/FrameFB.fbp it will generate but not stable |
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feels like "replace in selection" is broken again, could anybody confirm this? |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r14856 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14856 |
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Hyppolit |
add modules to the next version of Padre on Strawberry Perl |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/tools/ |
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sorry for noise just testing another irc client |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r14857 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14857 |
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Hyppolit |
add more modules to the Padre distribution |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/tools/ |
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bowtie |
szabgab, I have added a mod to P-P-PerlTidy to use trunk/tools/perltidyrc when run from perl dev #1239 |
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Hyppolit |
# 1239 : Padre::Plugin::PerlTidy (new enhancement) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/1239 ] |
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Hyppolit |
# 1247 : Updated screen shots: come on one & all, join in the fun. (new enhancement) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/1247 ] |
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Hyppolit |
# 1247 : Updated screen shots: come on one & all, join in the fun. (new enhancement) new attachment [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/1247 ] |
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rindolf |
Hi all. |
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rindolf |
I am trying to install Padre on Windows 7 x86-64 and it warns about many files are marked read-only, and I have to say "retry" every time. |
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rindolf |
Hi all. |
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user_4727 |
how can I update perl once I've installed padre? |
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szabgab |
user_4727: plseas give us some more details |
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szabgab |
what os are you using? |
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bowtie |
szabgab, I have added a ticket for new screen-shots, for the web site, will you bang the drum to get all active members to add an attachment to. |
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szabgab |
nope :) |
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szabgab |
tehre is a wiki page with screenshots I think |
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szabgab |
you can add the screenshots there and bag the drums |
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bowtie |
szabgab, so I have to go BANG BANG :) |
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szabgab |
bowtie++ |
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bowtie |
szabgab, I know, I added it this afternoon :) |
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El_Che |
ios should be cracked if only out of principle |
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* El_Che |
is having fun ssh'ing to his ipod |
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El_Che |
claudio:/ root# uname -a |
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El_Che |
Darwin claudio 10.4.0 Darwin Kernel Version 10.4.0: Wed Oct 20 20:14:45 PDT 2010; root:xnu-1504.58.28~3/RELEASE_ARM_S5L8930X iPod4,1 arm N81AP Darwin |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r14858 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14858 |
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Hyppolit |
add more modules to the next distribution of Padre on Strawberry - I still need to decide on the name :) |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/tools/ |
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bowtie |
El_Che, are you going to feed it green poison |
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szabgab |
I think it is still about 35C in my room |
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szabgab |
at 11 pm |
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El_Che |
szabgab: you are closer to the equator nowadays :) |
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El_Che |
bowtie: idd, did that |
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szabgab |
El_Che: I think I am closer to fall asleeep soon :) |
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bowtie |
El_Che, so you are going to have flash, and upset jobs then ? |
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El_Che |
haven't tried flash yet there |
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El_Che |
but there are a lot of nice opensource tools available now |
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El_Che |
like habing a terminal + ssh |
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El_Che |
instead of paying for some crappy emulator |
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szabgab |
I should have kept the whole distribution in a version control system |
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szabgab |
so I could see what each module adds to the package |
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szabgab |
I think with the next major version I'll try to do that |
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szabgab |
Zapelius: welcome |
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bowtie |
El_Che, are you going to put bcvi on it? |
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El_Che |
bcvi? |
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bowtie |
El_Che, http://sshmenu.sourceforge.net/articles/bcvi/ |
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Zapelius |
szabgab, thanks :) |
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Zapelius: are you really from .fi ? |
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Zapelius: I was asking if you are from .fi as I am going to visit there in September and wanted to ask for suggestions, but I need to go to sleep soon |
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rindolf |
Hi all. |
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hi rindolf |
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rindolf |
Today when I installed Padre from http://padre.perlide.org/download.html on my Win7 x86-64 machine, it kept prompting me for each individual file. |
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rindolf |
I had a previous installation of Strawberry perl-5.12.3.0. |
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szabgab |
did you try to install it on top an existing installation? |
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szabgab |
I never tried that so that might not work |
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szabgab |
especially if that was a real strawberry and not one of my derivatives |
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szabgab |
as the installation methods are different |
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szabgab |
currently the recommended way for upgrade is to uninstall the previous version |
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rindolf |
szabgab: ah. |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r14859 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14859 |
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Hyppolit |
directions to build the Windows package |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/tools/ |
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szabgab |
not ideal I know |
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rindolf |
Hmm... padre's version on Mandriva Cooker is padre-0.720.0-2-mdv2011.0.noarch |
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szabgab |
indeeed I have not seen jq for a while |
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szabgab |
I hope he is ok |
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rindolf |
szabgab: didn't he become a father? |
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rindolf |
szabgab: I think jq is now working primarily on Mageia and not on Mandriva. |
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szabgab |
then maybe you could ask him if you could help him with the packaging of Padre? |
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szabgab |
it would be nice to keep it up to date |
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szabgab |
and I just got in to g+, with that warm feeling I think I can call this a day |
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szabgab |
night& |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r14860 | bowtie++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14860 |
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Hyppolit |
opps forgot to turn on caller_info, POD tweaks to correspond with guidance, alias++ |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre-Plugin-Cookbook/lib/Padre/Plugin/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Cookbook/lib/Padre/Plugin/Cookbook/Recipe04/ |
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