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IRC log for #padre, 2011-07-20

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00:04 submersible_mib hippy barthday Padre
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00:21 punte Happy birthday. Well done. Thanks
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00:32 * submersible_mib contemplates the deep broken-ness of Preference Sync and Swarm Global
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00:51 David290 Hello
00:51 David290 Is there a Prade party?
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01:16 Alias Woohoo! Birthday Party feature is running today
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01:33 Hyppolit svn: r14988 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14988
01:33 Hyppolit Updating generated code to reinstate HASH members for protected elements
01:33 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/FBP/
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01:46 Hyppolit svn: r14989 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14989
01:46 Hyppolit Adding # no critic to the remainder of the FBP files
01:46 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/FBP/
01:47 Topic for #padre is now Happy Birthday Padre! Latest Padre is 0.86 - For installation see http://padre.perlide.org/trac/wiki/Download | Log: http://perlide.org/irclogs/ and http://irclog.perlgeek.de/padre/today | Pasting: http://scsys.co.uk:8001
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01:48 zenog happy BD padre.
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03:11 Hyppolit svn: r14990 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14990
03:11 Hyppolit Update the messages.pot file
03:11 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/share/locale/
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03:26 garu jq++ # "Thanks for using my code.  I hope it works for you."
03:29 garu that was very refreshing to read after a failed make test, disarmed me completely :)
03:33 garu that said, Dist::Zilla::Plugin::Git is complaining Dist::Zilla 4.2 is not compatible with the wanted version (4)
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03:37 gabor wow, Padre just gave me a pop-up that it is its birthday!
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03:38 gabor shiny
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04:14 user_5545 happy birthday :3
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04:16 Alias gabor: Isn't it :)
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04:25 Alias This is another reason we need a greeting bot :)
04:25 Alias We should probably also add some kind of config store so the birthday popup only fires once
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04:57 Alias We really should get 0.88 out the door
05:02 szabgab Alias: then go ahead fix the search :)
05:02 Alias heh
05:03 szabgab btw the Formbuilder freaks me out
05:03 szabgab both on windows and on linux
05:04 szabgab I open the Padre.fbp file, try to look around and it already marks it as changed
05:04 szabgab and then if I save it the xml looks totally different that it was before
05:05 szabgab oh and BTW I tried to install FBP::Perl but it keeps failing
05:06 szabgab Alias: when I run make test in the FBP-Perl directory in your SVN repo I get complaints about missing Wx::HTML
05:06 szabgab Failed test 'use Wx::HTML;'
05:06 Alias hrm
05:06 szabgab where should Wx::HTML come from ?
05:06 Alias Do you have Wx installed?
05:07 szabgab I run Padre on this machine :)
05:07 szabgab Wx 0.98
05:08 Alias oh!
05:08 Alias It only works on case insensitive filesystems, or on computers without Wx at all
05:08 szabgab heh?
05:09 szabgab without wx?
05:09 szabgab oh it might be Wx::Html
05:09 szabgab I have v0.01 of that
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05:15 Alias It is, actually
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05:18 szabgab Alias: do you dislike svn:ignore or can I add them to your repository?
05:19 Alias I don't find them useful mostly
05:19 szabgab but do you mind if I add them?
05:19 Alias To all 350 projects?
05:19 szabgab just the ones I visit :)
05:20 Alias What do they do for you?
05:20 szabgab when I do svn st on the command line I don't get the ignored files so I don't see a bunch of ? -marks
05:20 Alias Apart from being something else to maintain
05:20 szabgab marking the files that are not tracked
05:21 Alias How do you know what those are?
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05:21 Alias http://svn.ali.as/cpan/rel​eases/FBP-Perl-0.56.tar.gz
05:22 Alias http://svn.ali.as/cpan/releases/FBP-0.37.tar.gz
05:22 Alias Fixes your Wx::HTML problem
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05:22 szabgab when I check out the repository it is clean
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05:23 szabgab after running make    it will have some files   like Makefile
05:23 szabgab or pm_to_lib
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05:24 Alias If you want to set it for the ones directly related to Padre that you might change a lot go ahead
05:24 szabgab FBP installed
05:24 szabgab FBP-Perl gives me errors
05:24 Alias But if they only exist randomly across the 300 dists, that's gunna be odd
05:24 szabgab Failed test 'Wx::Event::EVT_TREE_ITEM_GETTOOLTIP macro exists'
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05:24 szabgab Failed test 'Wx::Event::EVT_TREE_STATE_IMAGE_CLICK macro exists'
05:25 Alias hrm
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05:25 szabgab so maybe I add a README at the root explaining that it is ok to set svn:ignore on generated files but thy have not been set yet everywhere
05:25 Alias Not sure why you are seeing that, except maybe Wx isn't neew enough
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05:25 Alias No, don't do that
05:25 szabgab :(
05:25 Alias In fact, lets not do it at all
05:25 szabgab :|
05:26 Alias They don't really need to exist, and it just adds more complexity and noise to the repository
05:26 Alias I hate all the "stuff" that tools inside you add
05:26 Alias svn insists you add stuff instead of just working it out
05:26 Alias Perl::Critic does too
05:26 szabgab ok, just forgive me if I ask this question again as I am sure I'll forget it in a few months :)
05:27 Alias So you end up maintaining all this shit just to keep the tools happy
05:27 Alias Fine :)
05:28 szabgab I also get some more test failures
05:28 szabgab at t/lib/Test.pm line 22.
05:29 szabgab Alias: now this I don't understand, why do you use local *FILE;
05:29 szabgab in your slurp implementation?
05:29 szabgab and not just a lexical filehandle?
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05:30 szabgab in FBP-Perl/t/lib/Test.pm
05:31 szabgab and wouldn't it be better to use Test::Builder in that file?
05:31 szabgab instead of Test::More ?
05:37 shadowpaste "szabgab" at 217.168.150.38 pasted "FBP-Perl" (76 lines) at http://paste.scsys.co.uk/124277
05:37 szabgab Alias: ^^^ see the test failures
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05:39 szabgab so what would the greating bot do?
05:40 szabgab say hi to every first time user?
05:40 szabgab based  on nicks?
05:40 szabgab what shall we do with all the user_\d+ people ?
05:41 submersible_mib un-break the irc widget
05:41 szabgab what is broken in it?
05:41 tome Hi szabgab, all, lemme give you a quick update on OSX - I've been looking into two issues: 1: menu items that have ids set don't pick up keyboard shortcuts (like open), 2: the preferences window opens full size (and I can fix that by forcing the vziser to resize in the layout code, but the real fix has to be done using that form creator tool that I don't have running yet.
05:41 submersible_mib didn't it once set a cookie with desired username
05:42 submersible_mib and persist that subsequently?
05:42 tome I think to release OSX we really want the keyboard to be useful for menu items like open, so I'd say that's the main thing to fix before releasing an OSX package, but even that is not required.
05:43 tome THe build process works on OSX and Linux, but haven't gotten any feedback yet on those packages. Specifically linux I"m not sure if the 'package' makes sense, for OSX it's clear that a DMG is a win.
05:43 tome sorry to interrupt your conversation, just wanted to share
05:44 szabgab submersible_mib: nope
05:44 szabgab we never had cookies there
05:45 szabgab tome: we don't really have a conversation :)
05:45 submersible_mib szabgab: look at the irc link in the footer of the page
05:45 submersible_mib at padre.perlide.org
05:45 szabgab do you mean ctrl-o does not work on OSX ?
05:46 szabgab submersible_mib: looking, what should I notice?
05:46 szabgab besides the stupid like and g+ I moved there?
05:46 submersible_mib erm that it is prefilled 'nickname' from cookie via /static/irc.js
05:47 submersible_mib http://padre.perlide.org/irc.html
05:47 tome szabgab: if there is some timeline you would like to hit w.r.t. releasing a version with OSX, let me know. I saw that email on the dev list that included osx work. I'm totally happy to contribute my time right now.
05:47 szabgab submersible_mib: really? I did not know that
05:47 szabgab tome: timeline: the sooner the better
05:48 szabgab but a continous improvement + release + blog would get some attention
05:48 szabgab if you think Padre is usable on OSX now then we should blog about it
05:48 szabgab and get some more people to try
05:49 szabgab and give you feedback
05:49 szabgab or just start putting Padre on their radar so when you fixed the major things they are already ready to try it
05:49 Alias Personally, I didn't even want a page where you entered a nick
05:50 Alias I just wanted to drop people immediately into chat, who all have user_1234
05:50 Alias Or, ideally, copy from their Padre::Config identity_nickname value
05:50 szabgab Alias: I think for that we'll have to write our on IRC client
05:51 submersible_mib ok - I am going to change http://escher.ath.cx:3000 to some other sensible uri for config sync.
05:51 Alias But nobody has an incentive to flling that in yet
05:51 szabgab because mib does not let you do that anyway (AFAIK)
05:51 submersible_mib the fbp dialog for config sync prefills 'sync.perlide.org' which sounds much safer.
05:53 tome szabgab: The main blockers I think on osx are not having keyboard shortcuts for menus, and potentially the crash-when-closing wx issue. I think having preferences open full screen is not good but not a deal breaker, since functionality is totally fine. Everything else seems to work if set up right, critic, tidy. So my preference would be to fix the menu issue somehow in the next 7 days.
05:53 Alias preferences opens full screen?
05:53 tome yes, because the vsizer fit is not called?
05:53 tome i can give you more info (code) from my debug sessions and my 'fix'
05:54 tome of course we could check in a patch to the generated code
05:55 tome actually I'm happy to do that in Cava, (it applies patches) but it's obviously ugly, I'm not suggesting it's the right thing to do
05:56 tome The real solution is for me or someone to get that form-generator working and figure out if something isn't being set up right either in our input, or a bug in the form generator
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05:57 tome Oh hey I know who could help: http://blogs.perl.org/users/adam_kennedy​/2011/07/padre-form-builder---a-cross-pl​atform-gui-design-solution-for-perl.html     :)
05:57 szabgab tome: Alias might know him, they are both from Australia
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05:58 szabgab I think they also live in the same city
05:59 * szabgab is home alone with a jar of nutella
05:59 tome So i'm happy to keep working at it myself, but given my limited time it may make more sense for someone very familiar with the form builder to just drop into my machine and have a look. I have a really easy repro and debugging info at the place that shows where the form size is not being computer properly
05:59 tome once they see the cause they may know the knob to twittle on the form builder input
06:02 tome but I'll give it a crack in the next few days. I'll keep you guys in the loop.  Menu items, Crash on Close, and Prefs are my target fixes, but I'm willing to 'announce' only with the menu items /keyboard bindings fixed, if you ask me
06:03 * tome found the wxformbuilder osx app, nice
06:03 Alias So as far as I'm aware, what I do is correct
06:04 Alias It shouldn't be up to me to recursively call fit
06:04 Alias You fit the top sizer, call ->Layout, and it recurses itself
06:05 tome You see how there is a vsizer inside the hsizer
06:05 tome I know nothing yet about the form builder
06:06 tome but I wonder if that is the issue, because by that sequence the code that is generated does not (re) size the vsize once the hsize is computed, and that seems to be throwing things off
06:06 tome is there a different way to do the sizers perhaps?
06:06 tome oh
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06:08 tome perhaps the wxExpand on the vsize is throwing it off... You know since I have the thing running now I'll be able to play with all the permutations.
06:08 Alias It does though
06:09 Alias ->Layout should recursively layout everything downwards
06:09 szabgab tome: do you have a blog?
06:09 tome yes
06:09 szabgab link?
06:09 tome wildperl.com  (not that often udpated, but soon to be more so)
06:10 szabgab tome: so I'd recommend to describe the status of the OSX installer there
06:10 tome sure I'd be happy to
06:10 szabgab and add your blog to the IronMan for more visibility
06:10 szabgab then start fixing things
06:11 szabgab you read the ironman?
06:11 Alias We should move the ironman thing to planet.perl.org
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06:11 szabgab Alias: I am not going to fight either of those authorities
06:11 tome I'm on it already actually. I read summaries of it and rss, I don't read all the blog posts on the ironman
06:12 tome that's a lot of posts : )
06:12 szabgab I think mst say bad things about me without that already
06:12 Alias Well, Planet Perl shut down
06:12 szabgab tome: but your feed is not included, right?
06:12 Alias So it's just sitting there idle atm
06:13 szabgab Alias: I am in favor having it on planet.perl.org but there is too much politics for my taste :)
06:13 tome szabgab: I believe it is
06:14 szabgab tome: under what name? I don't recognize your name on the right hand side of  IronMan
06:15 tome szabgab: I'm not there, not sure if I ever was. Probably I didn't get included due to lack of posting? I'll be happy to re-submit myself
06:16 tome not sure how else people saw my earlier posts.. so probably I got dropped like a sack of potatoes : )
06:16 szabgab tome: so go ahead do it and blog about the status and the problesm of the OSX package
06:18 tome will do in about 24 hours (full day of meetings tomorrow, off to bed shortly)
06:19 tome Thanks for the suggestion, I like your plan
06:19 szabgab grat
06:19 szabgab great
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06:33 Hyppolit svn: r14991 | submersible_toaster++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14991
06:33 Hyppolit hackery to make Sync2 work as per the Madre-Sync server. Sync is still commented from the tools menu
06:33 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
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06:35 submersible_mib szabgab: can you also add an A record pointing 'sync.perlide.org' to the same IP as 'swarm.perlide.org'
06:37 matthias hello and happy birthday
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06:38 szabgab hi matthias
06:39 szabgab thank you for joining us
06:40 matthias padre informed me about a party and here I am ;-)
06:41 Alias You know, I'd COMPLETELY forgotten that I added that feature :)
06:41 szabgab submersible_mib: sync added
06:41 matthias ^^
06:42 Alias I'll add the feature to turn sync on
06:45 tome You guys also seeing this assert: parentMenu != NULL  in menucmn.cpp
06:45 tome in trunk
06:45 szabgab I don't see that on Ubuntu
06:46 szabgab I don't see any errors on Ubuntu except the leaking scalars
06:46 tome I'm going to wipe out my trunk and pull a new one. all sorts of things aren't working tonight.
06:47 Hyppolit svn: r14992 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14992
06:47 Hyppolit Moving dialog for config sync from Sync2 to Sync
06:47 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
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06:50 szabgab hi user_6662
06:50 szabgab you can change your nicename by typing  /nick my_new_nick
06:51 Alias nicename :)
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06:51 szabgab matthias: maybe we can hand over the task to say hello to every new user who drops by using user_\d+
06:51 gaioshin szabgab: thanks
06:51 szabgab gaioshin: you are welcome
06:51 submersible_mib szabgab:  thankyou
06:51 tome Hi guys, is there an upgrade script that I need to run to upgrade my sqllite DB from yesterday to today's svn?
06:51 * gaioshin was too lazy to change his autogenerated name upon connect. His bad.
06:51 szabgab Alias: we could also tell them to us   /nick my_alias
06:52 Alias tome: Shouldn't be, I changed the mechanism by which the migration was implemented, the actual migration scripts themselves should be identical
06:52 Alias tome: Are you seeing trouble?
06:52 tome DBD::SQLite::db selectall_arrayref failed: no such column: name at (eval 171) line 40
06:52 tome just pulled the new trunk
06:52 tome though I did an svn update a few minutes ago and didn't see this error, only happened when I refreshed my whole trunk
06:53 Alias Try doing a padre --reset
06:53 Alias or perl dev -- --reset
06:53 szabgab gaioshin: no problem, but you now have to stick around and give the instructions to the next person who comes online using user_\d+
06:53 Alias heh
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06:54 szabgab actually I think ever new user should wait for two new users before they can leave :)
06:54 gaioshin szabgab: heh
06:54 szabgab hi Tormalon
06:54 Tormalon Ehlo...
06:55 tome same error on reset. I wonder if I've got a stale config laying around. I'll point it to a different --home and see what happens
06:55 szabgab gaioshin: you could also say "hi Tormalon, are you a new user here?  Because I am"
06:55 szabgab I think we could generat more conversation that way :)
06:56 gaioshin szabgab: I could do, but unfortunately I connected to lurk for a bit first, so am a little quiet :/
06:56 tome ../../../perl dev -- --home=/tmp/test_padre_config2      gets me the same error, and that test_padre_config2 was a new empty directory.
06:56 szabgab anyway I see the pop-up Alias added to Padre actually works :)
06:56 gaioshin Tormalon: hello :)
06:56 szabgab yeah, I am trying to delurk people :)
06:57 gaioshin szabgab: :D
06:57 Alias The --reset is worrying
06:57 szabgab as the social engineer would say "be involved in the conversation"
06:57 szabgab or whatever
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06:58 szabgab gaioshin: your turn :)
06:58 gaioshin user_7190: Hi there, you can set your nick by using /nick your_nickname
06:58 * gaioshin has done his IRCivic duty for the hour.
06:58 szabgab :)
06:59 tome Alias: it does create a sqllite DB in that new home directory
06:59 Alias tome: What user_version?
06:59 szabgab and then we can all see our conversations on irclog?
06:59 szabgab irclog?
06:59 Hyppolit irclog is http://irclog.perlgeek.de/padre/today
06:59 szabgab there
07:00 gaioshin brb
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07:00 Alias Interesting to see more people coming on line as different parts of the world hit the birthday
07:00 user_7190 Happy birthday padre and thanks for the great job. I use padre daily :-) Thomas (Skopje, Makedonia)
07:00 tome 14992 Alias
07:00 tome Alias: sorry that is svnversion
07:00 szabgab user_7190: nice to hear that!
07:00 tome not sure what is user_version
07:01 Alias Connect to SQLite database with any client
07:01 Alias PRAGMA user_version;
07:01 tome ah
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07:02 Alias Interesting to see the pace of arrivals increasing too
07:02 Alias I suppose the Americans that get up early must be getting close to being awake
07:03 user_4606 Thank all of you for your hard work!
07:03 matthias szabgab: sorry. what do you mean?
07:03 szabgab user_4606: thank you for coming by
07:04 tome Alias: 11
07:04 tome on a newly created one
07:04 Alias So that's the correct revision
07:05 szabgab matthias: I think I was already responding to someone else
07:05 Alias I think
07:05 Alias yup, correct patch
07:05 Alias So then it's something else after that...
07:05 Alias weird
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07:05 tome can you try to launch padre on a new home directory, perhaps you can repro?
07:06 * tome is worried he's crazy : )
07:06 Alias Yeah, let me try
07:06 Alias Nah, I changed something related to your problem recently
07:07 tome out of curiosity does padre have something like jenkins set up to run the test cases after every commit and report stats?
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07:10 vasundhar Happy Birthday padre ...
07:10 szabgab more new people dropping by, nice
07:10 vasundhar Yes
07:10 szabgab vasundhar: you too
07:10 vasundhar Thanks guys for great work
07:10 szabgab we should interview them
07:11 vasundhar Yes ...
07:11 Hyppolit svn: r14993 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14993
07:11 Hyppolit Update the messages.pot file
07:11 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/share/locale/
07:11 szabgab ask them for a blog post linking to the padre web site
07:11 vasundhar yes we should ...
07:11 szabgab or at least to "like" or g+ it :)
07:12 vasundhar szabgab: are you a user/developer
07:12 szabgab I am happy to see there are people using Padre, besides the developers :)
07:12 szabgab vasundhar: both
07:12 Alias ah crap
07:12 vasundhar Good
07:12 Alias tome: OK, I can replicate your problem :(
07:12 szabgab though I think I have been mostly talking lately :)
07:13 Alias I must have screwed up converting one of the migration scripts
07:13 tome Alias: good for me : )
07:13 vasundhar So you are a Manager
07:13 szabgab Alias: that's way better than otherwise
07:13 szabgab vasundhar: :)  and a bad one
07:14 vasundhar Good you will have company ... unlike good managers they are mostly lonely
07:14 szabgab :)
07:14 vasundhar Will see if I can put my hands in padre ..
07:15 szabgab vasundhar: so which features do you like the most aqnd miss the most in Padre/
07:15 szabgab ?
07:15 vasundhar Where you need most ?
07:15 vasundhar I am not sure if I explored padre to great extent because I usually use vim
07:15 szabgab someone should finish the debugger
07:15 szabgab or the vim mode of padre :)
07:15 * tome wants syntax highlighting at least as good as emacs....
07:15 vasundhar but there is Auto complete for modules etc like e-p-i-c should be good
07:16 szabgab that too :)
07:16 szabgab so basically any feature you would like to see improved is the best place to contribute
07:16 szabgab and that can be a plugin to visualize a project
07:17 szabgab or something that can be used both as a plugin to vim and to Padre
07:17 vasundhar I know ... but just wanted to remove the bottlenecks if there are any to begin with
07:17 vasundhar ok
07:18 matthias my spare time is over
07:18 matthias My thank goes  to the Padre team. You doing a great work.
07:18 matthias I'll be back, soon. Bye.
07:18 szabgab oh and tome might like to get some help with the packaging
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07:18 szabgab see you later matt...
07:18 szabgab hias
07:18 vasundhar ok
07:19 szabgab vasundhar: are you on Linux?
07:19 vasundhar yes
07:19 tome szabgab: Packaging question: do you envision us using Cava to produce OSX DMGs or using cava to produce packages for All platforms?
07:19 szabgab tome: no idea :)
07:19 tome OSX was the easy part actually, Linux is not Too hard, WIndows I think is easy IF you have Padre running on windows
07:20 szabgab I guess if it works well then we could use it to package the stand-alone Padre for all the 3 platforms
07:20 szabgab but at least for Windows I have other ways to do that so that's not that important IMHO
07:21 szabgab So the most important are OSX and then Linux
07:21 vasundhar yes
07:21 vasundhar Most of the Perl programming may be around 60% happens on the linux dev. box
07:22 tome My thoughts about packaging is this: it's easy to actually do the packaging with Cava. Most important thing is to automate the setup of the package environment to make sure that each build has the same plugins, etc. so across platforms there is a consistent Padre.
07:22 szabgab vasundhar: I am not sure if that is not a "Perl community bias"
07:22 tome that's why I've got that padre-brew script
07:22 szabgab I saw plenty of people in companies using windows as a desktop and writing Perl
07:22 vasundhar Its Convenience can't be mistaken for bias
07:23 szabgab though they were running it on some Linux or Unix, thats' trye
07:23 vasundhar yes
07:23 tome which works 100% on osx, and like... 90% on linux (it'll soon work out of the box for CentOS which is what mark suggested we build on)
07:23 Hyppolit svn: r14994 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14994
07:23 Hyppolit Adding $self-> to two missing patches
07:23 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/DB/Migrate/
07:23 tome Windows I have no idea about...
07:24 tome If cpanm + Wx work on windows, I can script building the environment for packaging.
07:24 szabgab tome so focus on OSX and Linux and disregard Windows for now
07:24 tome szabgab: sounds good
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07:25 szabgab and especially OSX as many community members are using it and are whining of our prereqs :)
07:25 szabgab and the Linux users can handle the install better I think
07:25 szabgab and we have a lot more expertise in Linux anyway
07:25 Alias For Windows, I think that Strawberry will ultimate provide the dominant solution
07:26 Alias But szabgab's thing happily does it in the mean time
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07:26 tome Is there an existing script that gets Padre working on Windows?
07:27 szabgab tome: depends on the Perl you have installed
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07:27 szabgab on Strawberry    cpan Padre ususally works
07:27 Alias ... because I make sure it does :)
07:27 tome ah, in that case my script (uses cpanm) could probably work too, so Win will probably be as easy as OSX
07:27 szabgab but you can also just install "Padre on Strawberry" and you get it already installed
07:27 vasundhar Alias: thumbsup
07:28 tome ah
07:28 Alias tome: Bug fixed, btw
07:28 szabgab Alias++
07:28 Alias tome: I made a typo in migrating two of the patch scripts to classes
07:29 tome Confirmed fixed
07:32 tome I am seeing an annoying bug when opening up the plugin manager, though not new
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07:32 Hyppolit svn: r14995 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14995
07:32 Hyppolit - The Padre Preferences Sync client now works, but requires you to enable
07:32 Hyppolit the config value feature_sync until we work some bugs out of it (BRAMBLE)
07:32 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Menu/ trunk/Padre/t/
07:32 tome http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/1258
07:32 jq garu: can you tell me more about the dzp-git failure?
07:32 tome Gotta fix that before we can push out OSX
07:33 szabgab oh jq , hi nice to see you!
07:33 jq hi szabgab
07:34 szabgab tome: btw you can just use   #301 in your trac ticket and it will automatically link to the relevant ticket
07:34 Hyppolit # 301 :  Failing wx assertion in the new PluginManager dialog (closed defect) by jquelin  [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/301#comment:3 ]
07:34 szabgab and Hyppolit will catch my example and get involved :)
07:35 tome cool thanks. Did not know that. Sadly, the referenced ticket has the exact problem, but claims fixed 2 years ago...
07:35 szabgab tome: maybe it was fixed back then, and then broken again
07:35 tome yeah def, looks like it's related to plugin icons
07:35 szabgab or just people did not look at OSX really
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07:36 tome ok I'll fix this one tomorrow night (PST). Thanks all, good luck.
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07:36 szabgab tome: and it was jq who closed the ticket so he might be able to help you
07:36 szabgab tome: good night
07:37 szabgab ernstJ: hi
07:37 tome "plugin status icons reshaped to be 16x16, effectively quieting the assertion failure."
07:37 tome that was the fix
07:37 ernstJ Happy Birthday to Padre. May I ask the age Padre has reach ??
07:37 szabgab it was started 3 years ago
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07:39 ernstJ It's a great IDE, simple to use, nice working area for me.
07:39 szabgab great to know
07:39 Hyppolit svn: r14996 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14996
07:39 Hyppolit When applying Preferences Sync settings, we filter out any unknown values, or any settings that the local Padre instance does not consider to be HUMAN settings
07:39 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/
07:39 szabgab ernstJ: what platform are you using on?
07:39 ernstJ Ubuntu 11
07:40 Alias Out of curiosity, which version?
07:40 Alias The old 40-50 series one they ship? Or current
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07:44 szabgab ernstJ: which version of Padre are you using ?
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07:47 Alias ok, I'm done for today
07:48 Alias The Preferences Sync feature looks like it should work now
07:48 Alias Just up to submersible
07:48 Alias To get the synx server up somewhere, or rewrite it to not use plaintext passwords :)
07:48 szabgab I need My plugin to be synced too :)
07:48 Alias Or both
07:48 Alias First thing's first
07:49 vasundhar catch you guys later ...
07:49 szabgab vasundhar: see you later
07:50 szabgab thanks for dropping by
07:50 vasundhar pleasure is entirely mine ... and we shall catch up soon
07:51 Hyppolit svn: r14997 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14997
07:51 Hyppolit Move the regex editor down slightly, out of the "preferences block"
07:51 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Menu/
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07:58 dolmen Happy Birthday !
07:59 szabgab dolmen: yeah, Happy Birthday!
08:00 szabgab dolmen: are you coming to YAPC?
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08:00 dolmen no, not this year
08:00 szabgab vasundhar: same question are you coming to YAPC?
08:01 szabgab dolmen: :(
08:02 dolmen I'm still thinking about going to the CCC 2011 instead...
08:03 Hyppolit svn: r14998 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14998
08:03 Hyppolit few updates to the Padre on Strawberry package
08:03 Hyppolit trunk/tools/
08:05 dolmen szabgab: I see from your commit that Padre now uses AnyEvent...
08:05 dolmen Have you been able to integrate AnyEvent in the Wx event loop ?
08:07 szabgab dolmen: nope, now padre
08:08 szabgab it is just packaged in the "Padre on Strawberry" package
08:08 szabgab but padre is not using it
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08:13 sugar Happy Birthday!! =)
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08:19 dolmen How do change the "project" area to point to another filesystem root?
08:19 dolmen s/do/to/
08:22 dolmen s/"project" area/project browser tree/
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08:30 Sewi Happy Birthday Padre
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08:32 zenog Sewi: :-)
08:33 dolmen How old is Padre now?
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08:38 szabgab dolmen: 3 years
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08:38 szabgab dolmen: if you open a file in another project padre should automatically show that project in the browser
08:38 user_663 Happy Birthday Padre ;)
08:38 szabgab or did you mean something else?
08:38 szabgab hi user_663
08:39 user_663 hi
08:39 szabgab and happy nirthda to you too
08:39 szabgab user_663: you can change you nick using /nick my_real_nick
08:40 El_Che is now known as my_real_nick
08:40 user_663 Thanks, I know, but I'm just a new user about Padre and I don't stay here, juste to say happy birthday to developers :)
08:40 my_real_nick is now known as El_Che
08:40 El_Che :)
08:40 szabgab El_Che: you are funny :)
08:40 user_663 Cya have a nice day
08:41 szabgab user_663: that's ok, we like new users :)
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08:47 szabgab yeah, castaway commented on my blog!
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08:48 szabgab I liked it :)
08:48 szabgab hi user_9975
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08:48 szabgab bye :)
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08:48 szabgab hi Cintian
08:51 Cintian Hiho ;)
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08:52 user_3321 thank you
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08:54 user_9091 Happy Birthday! Just about to try it for the firs ttime, many thanks!!!
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08:58 szabgab people come and go and my network is saturated by the uploading of the screencast
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09:31 user_4498 Just a quick .... Thank you Thank you
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09:35 szabgab that was really quick :)
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09:38 user_3989 Happy Birthday Padre!
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09:38 taroa thanx so much, Padre made my day, nice done   :)
09:39 szabgab hi taroa
09:39 szabgab I am really happy to see so many people stopping by and saying hi!
09:39 szabgab its awesome!
09:40 szabgab Alias++ for adding the feature
09:41 szabgab taroa: where are you from?
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09:43 bowtie hi all
09:44 szabgab hi  bowtie
09:44 bowtie szabgab, I am still reading the backlog
09:45 szabgab irclog?
09:45 Hyppolit irclog is http://irclog.perlgeek.de/padre/today
09:51 taroa taipei, taiwan
09:52 szabgab nice, I was there about 10 years ago
09:52 szabgab I should come again :)
09:53 daxim go yapc::tiny!
09:53 szabgab yapc::all!
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09:53 daxim that does not exist.
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10:11 szabgab whois spacechicken
10:11 szabgab :)
10:13 bowtie szabgab, that has taken twice as long as normal, what is the peek user connection so far?
10:14 spacechicken szabgab - just a padre user
10:14 spacechicken btw - thanks for the Dancer demo video
10:15 szabgab spacechicken: you are welcome,
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10:15 szabgab the funny thing is that I just uploaded my blog post mentioning you :)
10:15 szabgab and then I saw you join the channel again
10:16 szabgab and I should get back to the Dancer project and the screencasrts there
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10:23 spacechicken wow - was I first? :)
10:24 spacechicken put it down to timezones
10:24 szabgab which space are you from?
10:25 spacechicken I'm in Sydney
10:25 spacechicken actually good friends with Adam
10:26 szabgab I should visit there too :)
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10:27 waxhead happy birthday Padre!
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10:52 abraxxa Happy Birthday Padre!
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11:11 Hyppolit svn: r14999 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14999
11:11 Hyppolit Update the messages.pot file
11:11 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/share/locale/
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11:23 sjn szabgab++ # for writing about novel suprise birthday parties :)
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11:30 szabgab sjn++ for reading it :)
11:30 user_7160 Hi
11:30 szabgab hi user_7160
11:31 user_7160 H.B ++
11:31 szabgab you know you can have a more peronal nickname by typing /nick personal_nick
11:31 user_7160 YEP
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11:31 szabgab :)
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11:32 code4pay hi all congrats on the Birthday,
11:32 szabgab you too :)
11:34 code4pay #szabgab I have been following your tweets and screen casts etc lately, great job
11:34 szabgab thank you
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11:36 szabgab I think I am pushing a bit too much onto IronMan
11:36 szabgab but that's how it is when I don't have a client :)
11:36 code4pay :-)
11:36 user_4844 hello
11:37 szabgab hi user_4844
11:37 szabgab try   /nick my_name_is
11:37 user_4844 When could i see Padre+PDL integration?
11:37 user_4844 is now known as camel
11:37 camel happy birthday to Padre.
11:37 szabgab indeed
11:38 szabgab oh I'd love to see that integration already
11:38 szabgab but we need some more people for that
11:47 code4pay I must update my Mecurial plugin, it seems the efforts to stop the cmd window popping up have killed it on Windows
11:49 camel Vi plugin for Padre is still working ?
11:50 szabgab camel: it never was really
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11:50 camel have any plan to revise?
11:51 szabgab plans yes, time no :(
11:51 camel :|
11:53 camel my friends often complain that Padre is hard to get to work on Mac.
11:53 camel I think Padre is mainly for windows. :)
11:53 szabgab yeah, now we have a great effort underway yo make it easy
11:54 szabgab let me dig you out the link
11:54 szabgab http://tomeliaz.com/padre/builds/Padre-0.86/
11:55 szabgab camel: this is a first attempt with various issues but you can tell your friend to
11:55 szabgab try that link and give us feedback
11:55 szabgab tome is working on fixing the OSX issues of Padre and improving the installer
11:56 camel thanks
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11:57 szabgab but you are right our primary target is the windows user
11:57 szabgab even though most of the Padre developers use Linux
11:58 submersible_toaster anyone consider themselves a Dancer.pm guru ?
11:58 szabgab I think you would find more of that on #dancer :)
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11:58 submersible_toaster I know ... watch this space.
11:59 szabgab wow, nice nickname flamingDesirableHea  :)
11:59 submersible_toaster i need a bot to do the intersections of #padre and #dancer
11:59 szabgab submersible_toaster: is there such?
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12:00 submersible_toaster if only
12:01 submersible_toaster szabgab:  maybe when i revive swarm there will be such a thing.
12:02 submersible_toaster i got pretty close with remote control (1 editor , many viewers seeing edits as they happen)
12:02 szabgab submersible_toaster: there is a partial Dancer plugin for PAdre
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12:02 szabgab and garu promised to make it work but then disappeared
12:02 szabgab submersible_toaster: that would be already awesome
12:02 submersible_toaster i know .
12:02 szabgab for training at least
12:02 flamingDesirableHea hey! every1 i'm new to perl and also to padre! any suggestion for good start?? :)
12:03 szabgab flamingDesirableHea: I am not sure if it a good sugegstion but I recently started to create a tutorial
12:03 szabgab both blogs and screencasts
12:03 szabgab you could try this: http://szabgab.com/perl_tutorial.html
12:04 szabgab and I'd appreciate any and all feedback and/or questions even
12:04 flamingDesirableHea thanks for that! would you like to suggest good books over it??
12:04 szabgab do you mean good books to learn Perl from?
12:04 submersible_toaster perl in a nutshell really helped me get started
12:05 flamingDesirableHea yeah!
12:05 szabgab I think Learning Perl is still the best
12:05 submersible_toaster it's a reference , with cookbooks
12:06 flamingDesirableHea but some well books by which you guys felt that they r nice? :)
12:07 flamingDesirableHea and would we be a great start for a begginner
12:07 bowtie Learning Perl get my vote as a starting place
12:09 bowtie szabgab, I have been thinking about Plugins in general, they need a wiki page, but where do I put it?
12:11 szabgab http://padre.perlide.org/trac/wiki/Plugins
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12:11 submersible_toaster dolmen1: ping
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12:12 szabgab hi user_1867
12:13 user_1867 hello
12:14 szabgab you can switch nickname by   /nick  my_nick
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12:14 bruce :) Happy Birthday Padre
12:14 szabgab hi bruce  :)
12:15 szabgab happy you too
12:15 bruce how many more logic bombs are hidden in this editor then ?
12:15 szabgab I think that's the only one but now I have plans for another one :)
12:16 bruce multicultural holiday prompter ? - or something more devious
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12:17 szabgab hi user_1162
12:17 szabgab I was thinking to run a survey on how editors are used
12:17 user_1162 Hello! I think that would be a great idea!
12:18 szabgab plan it ahead and put the schedule in Padre
12:18 szabgab user_1162: type    /nick my_nick
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12:18 szabgab :)
12:18 submersible_toaster grief!
12:19 my_nick Jill/nick my_nick
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12:19 my_nick what?? I'm Jill
12:19 szabgab then type   /nick Jill
12:19 szabgab the slash needs to be at the beginning
12:19 my_nick I have to go study for a Perl mid term anyhow.
12:19 my_nick is now known as Jill
12:19 szabgab you can drop by anytime
12:20 szabgab you learn Perl at school?
12:20 Jill I will, I am new to Perl and I am enjoying learning it. It seems to be an easy language to learn.
12:20 szabgab and how do you learn it?
12:20 Jill yes, I am a student at Eastern Michigan and Perl is just being taught there. It used to be Java and Python.
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12:21 szabgab flamingDesirableHea just asked for some recommendation a few minutes ago
12:21 szabgab that's interesting
12:21 Jill We have study groups and the most problems we have are with the loops.
12:21 bruce was the birthday feature in padre last year ?
12:22 szabgab oh so there is emich and umich :)
12:22 szabgab bruce: I don't think so
12:23 Jill Yes, that is correct. I cannot afford UM,so I go to EMU :)
12:23 szabgab ah
12:24 bowtie szabgab, ok, found it, it's looking tired, and I think some what out of date, ok If I have tweak here and there?
12:24 Jill Do you help with the development of Perl?
12:24 szabgab Jill: so how come you joined our channel, are you using Padre ?
12:25 szabgab not of the language, just things around it
12:25 szabgab bowtie: its a wiki
12:25 szabgab go ahead
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12:25 Jill Yes, I use Padre for my PC.
12:25 szabgab nice
12:25 szabgab any requests?
12:26 Jill I like it, it is very simple for a beginner.
12:26 bowtie szabgab, that will keep me away from the tickets for awhile :)
12:26 szabgab that was the purpose
12:26 szabgab bowtie: good :)
12:26 Jill I do not know enough to make a request yet..
12:26 bruce hilight for mixed languages
12:26 szabgab sure, no problem, you can ask any time
12:27 szabgab bruce: yep, we want that
12:27 submersible_toaster povray syntax hilight
12:27 szabgab I think we have a ticket
12:28 Jill Thank you for the chat..off to study
12:28 szabgab bowtie: as you go over the plugins you could try each one and conatct the author to nag a bit for further development
12:29 szabgab or bug fixes
12:29 bowtie szabgab, so who are you going to get to be the ticket monitor, and bang the drum, may I suggest Gabor :)
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12:31 bowtie szabgab, yes, I was thinking that, I will also involve tome, as I was thinking that a working Plugin should work on ms, linux and osx
12:33 szabgab let's first worry about the OS-es you have
12:34 szabgab and if that (or those) work then check out OSX
12:34 szabgab for now tome will have enough things to make sure padre core works well
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12:40 bowtie szabgab, I know, buy he is the only active members with osx :(
12:40 szabgab so let's not overload him!
12:41 szabgab let's wait till he manages to make Padre on OSX good enough so we can get a few more contributors using OSX
12:41 szabgab give it a few weeks
12:42 szabgab and he is checking out the plugins anyway as he is packaging them
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12:44 bowtie szabgab, you will be lucky, if I complete wiki in that time. I have started to create a new About Dialog, which I will continue with
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12:57 Downes Happy birthday Padre, thanks to the developers
12:57 Downes (ps loving thjis IRC client)
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13:17 bowtie Alias, is my patch any good, wx::Nootbook :)
13:18 Alias Which patch, link?
13:19 bowtie #1260
13:19 Hyppolit # 1260 :  fix for :- This violates encapsulation (new enhancement) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/1260 ]
13:20 bowtie Alias, got to go, I will read response later :)
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13:29 Alias bowtie: That doesn't look right
13:29 Alias It's an interesting idea, but it doesn't deal with the with_plugin weirdness
13:37 szabgab hey Alias woke up :)
13:37 Alias ... got home from training
13:37 szabgab ah :)
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13:37 Alias Can we just drop the entire with-plugin thing?
13:38 szabgab what is that with-plugin thing?
13:39 szabgab oh some command line option
13:39 szabgab I never used it
13:39 szabgab but a test does
13:39 adam hi, can you register me? I would like to report a bug
13:39 szabgab adam: one sec
13:40 szabgab register?
13:40 Hyppolit register is http://padre.perlide.org/trac/register
13:40 szabgab go ahead ^^
13:40 Alias Another adam? :)
13:40 szabgab this is a real adam, not just Alias :)
13:41 adam success, thank
13:41 szabgab but I wonder when will we get another Gabor :)
13:41 adam I was not here before, only once, with the same question
13:41 adam no big deal, I'm Hungarian too :)
13:41 szabgab so you should swithc to use Gabor :)
13:42 szabgab adam, no e-mail no name in the registration :(
13:42 adam should I? it told me "optional"
13:43 szabgab yeah, it is, just nice
13:43 szabgab I could not get it to require at least e-mail
13:43 adam I gave it
13:44 szabgab Oh another sz :)
13:44 szabgab lucky you don't use szadam as a nick, that would freak out the others :)
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13:45 Hyppolit # 1261 :  grey lines when scrolling in Ubuntu 11.04 (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/1261 ]
13:50 El_Che damn
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13:50 El_Che that's fixed in trunk
13:50 szabgab hi user_5770
13:50 user_5770 Hi!
13:51 szabgab El_Che: then just close it with the relevant comment
13:51 user_5770 Happy Birthday and thank you!
13:51 szabgab user_5770: you can change nick by typing /nick name
13:52 szabgab and tell a bit about yourself
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13:53 El_Che szabgab: if you type 'asl' I'll slap you with a large trout
13:53 El_Che :)
13:53 szabgab I prefer not to have any trouts here :)
13:54 szabgab why what did I do again?
13:54 szabgab Sniper: submersible_toaster was looking for someone who knows both Dancer and Padre
13:55 * szabgab should stop chatting on IRC all day and should start doing things
13:56 Alias :)
13:56 PerlJam Alias++ that birthday thing is awesome.
13:56 Alias Isn't it :)
13:56 Alias We thought it up this time, precisely, last year :)
13:57 Sniper szabgab: I am learning both since few weeks only. submersible_toaster what is your problem ?
13:57 szabgab Alias: I though we should plan a survey and add such an alert for the days of the survey
13:57 szabgab a survey about editor usage
13:58 Alias szabgab: The tricky bit is that you have to have the code in waaaay the hell in advance, and you can't "phone home" to talk to the server
13:58 szabgab right
13:58 Alias Which is why visitors have been coming in all day as their local time hits our birthday
13:58 Alias So if you want to do a survey or something, we need a year's notice :)
13:58 szabgab 2 months should be enough, right?
13:58 Sniper szabgab: I have a weird problem with Padre on Mac and french keyboard layout.  For '\' I have to type shift+alt+/ and this combo raises up the contextual menu. Is it a known bug ?
13:59 Alias szabgab, nope. You need to get the release into debian and what not
13:59 Alias So a year's lead time is about right
13:59 szabgab Sniper: our current OSX expert is tome and he sleeping right now
13:59 user_5770 Thanks Gabor, unfortunately I've to go now! :-(
14:00 user_5770 Thanks again to all of the Padre developers!
14:00 szabgab user_5770: come back another time
14:00 Sniper szabgab: thanks
14:00 szabgab with a real nick
14:00 user_5770 Sure, see you!
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14:00 Alias szabgab, plus I don't want to bug users for stuff. The birthday thing is suitably light and fun
14:00 szabgab Sniper: but you might want to open a ticket
14:00 szabgab btw Sniper how did you install Padre?
14:01 PerlJam Alias: indeed
14:01 szabgab Alias: probably right
14:01 szabgab we should think about it more
14:01 Sniper szabgab: this way http://padre.perlide.org/trac/wiki/DownloadMacOSX
14:02 szabgab Sniper: ok, there is no an experimental pakage
14:02 szabgab and i am sure tome will be happy to get some feedback on it
14:02 Sniper This one ? http://ali.as/Padre.dmg
14:02 szabgab but do you have an account on our Trac?
14:02 szabgab Sniper: nope
14:02 szabgab that's old
14:03 Sniper no account on trac but I can create one if you need/want for report/feedback
14:03 szabgab Sniper: http://tomeliaz.com/padre/builds/Padre-0.86/
14:03 szabgab register?
14:03 Hyppolit register is http://padre.perlide.org/trac/register
14:03 Sniper Bookmarked, I will test it tonight
14:04 szabgab Sniper: ^^^ register now
14:04 szabgab as we need to close it
14:04 szabgab and tome is on GMT+8 usually
14:05 Sniper szabgab: registered as Sniper
14:05 szabgab good, closing it now
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14:05 szabgab So Sniper open a ticket with the issue you found
14:05 Sniper ok
14:05 szabgab and talk to tome when he comes online
14:06 szabgab we would like to make Padre work well on OSX as well
14:06 szabgab and I think we have a chance now to put together a few people who know OSX
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14:06 szabgab or at least have one :)
14:08 Sniper hum my Padre is v0.50, I will upgrade before open a ticket :)
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14:09 Alias 18 release behind, might be a good idea :)
14:09 szabgab oh, well that's a bit old :)
14:09 szabgab hi user_506
14:10 user_506 happy birthday padre :)
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14:10 szabgab that was quick :)
14:11 szabgab maybe the instruction should be a bit more detaild
14:11 szabgab like "Say hi to the developers and tell a bit about you daily life, the music you like and the food you eat"
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14:11 szabgab for next year, that is
14:16 Alias I was thinking a sound effect and a picture of a party balloon
14:24 PerlJam An improvement would be to not have it pop up each time you start padre.
14:25 PerlJam but +1  to a nice graphic and sound effect
14:26 Alias yeah, agreed
14:26 Alias Nth.pm is supposed to be able to do that kind of stuff
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14:34 nachikethas Cheers to all the dev behind this awesome tool
14:35 szabgab hi nachikethas
14:35 szabgab cheers to you too!
14:35 nachikethas thanks u
14:36 szabgab where are you from?
14:36 nachikethas using padre for the past 1yr
14:36 nachikethas I am from Blore, India
14:36 szabgab nice
14:37 szabgab do you know Indian Perl Mongers?
14:37 Hyppolit wiki page http://padre.perlide.org/trac/wiki/Screenshots changed by adamk
14:37 Hyppolit wiki page http://padre.perlide.org/trac/wiki/Screenshots changed by adamk
14:37 nachikethas no..
14:38 szabgab and there is also a LinkedIn group
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14:39 nachikethas could u pls share the link
14:39 szabgab check them here, I am not sure which one is actually functioning: http://pm.org/groups/india.html
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14:40 szabgab and this: http://www.linkedin.com/groups​?gid=3038635&trk=hb_side_g
14:43 szabgab and there is also a Padre group on LinkedIN
14:43 nachikethas gr8 will chk that too
14:43 Hyppolit Changeset #8 http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/8
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14:50 szabgab anyone with reddit account who would like to submit my blog post about the birthday party?
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15:04 katrotz thanks god for padre!
15:08 szabgab hi katrotz
15:08 szabgab where are you from ?
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15:21 dolmen submersible_toaster: pong
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15:28 dolmen Hi user_5914
15:28 user_5914 hello
15:28 user_5914 thank you developers for working on padre
15:29 user_5914 I appreciate it.
15:29 szabgab user_5914: pls change your nickname
15:29 user_5914 good bye
15:29 dolmen are you a long time user of Padre?
15:29 user_5914 no, I'm new perl, today will be first day to try it
15:29 user_5914 I'm at work right now. so I really should get back to work
15:30 El_Che user_5914: welcome to Perl!
15:30 dolmen come back here if you have questions
15:30 dolmen save a bookmark in your browser
15:30 user_5914 okay. bye for now.
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15:43 user_5606 Thanks for the sweet program,  really helpful.
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16:28 Hyppolit svn: r15000 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15000
16:28 Hyppolit perltidy, stealing some blame from Alias++
16:28 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/DB/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/DB/Migrate/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Directory/ trunk/Padre/xt/
16:29 szabgab ChupacabraHunter: hi
16:31 El_Che r15000
16:31 Hyppolit Changeset #15000 http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15000
16:31 El_Che you attention whore :)
16:32 El_Che chupacabra :)
16:32 szabgab :)
16:32 El_Che nice nick
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16:34 szabgab El_Che: people come, people go
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16:46 ChupacabraHunter On the hunt...
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17:52 prasun hi
17:53 prasun wish happy birthday to Padre, the perl IDE
17:54 szabgab prasun: you too
17:54 prasun :)
17:55 szabgab are you new to Padre?
17:55 prasun ya
17:55 prasun very new
17:55 szabgab which OS?
17:56 prasun got to do some network troubleshooting
17:56 prasun so perl
17:56 prasun and so to padre
17:56 prasun linux
17:56 prasun you ?
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17:56 szabgab both Linux and Windows
17:57 prasun well I practice in windows and implement in linux ;)
17:57 szabgab and how do you install Padre?
17:57 szabgab oh so you run Padre on Windows?
17:57 prasun yep.. and then push my perl code to linux box
17:58 szabgab how do you push it?
17:58 prasun just a remote file transfer to the server through ftp
17:59 szabgab outside of Padre or have you wrote a plugin?
17:59 prasun outside of Padre
17:59 prasun got access to the my office's ftp server
18:00 prasun its basically a push to ftp and then pull from linux
18:00 prasun how about you ?
18:00 szabgab have you tried adding a menu item to do it for the current file you are editing?
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18:00 prasun no.. as I said I am new to Padre
18:01 prasun have not looked around much into it
18:01 szabgab there is a screencast on the site how to write a plugin
18:01 prasun just wanted to good IDE for Perl so bumped into it
18:01 szabgab and it is pretty simple to ad it
18:01 szabgab add
18:01 prasun oh i see
18:01 prasun you pretty old with perl ?
18:02 prasun m not
18:02 szabgab I am old in any case :)
18:02 prasun ha ha
18:02 prasun you are from ?
18:03 szabgab .hu but live in .il and you?
18:03 prasun .in
18:04 prasun but live in .ae :)
18:04 prasun same story u see
18:04 prasun ;)
18:04 szabgab Oh I see :)
18:04 prasun I am primarily a Lotus Notes developper
18:04 szabgab wow
18:04 prasun and a lil bit into Java
18:04 prasun Perl is pretty new to me
18:05 szabgab so how do you learn?
18:05 prasun from the open tutorials on the web
18:06 szabgab and how far are you into using perl?
18:06 prasun just checking out the basic syntaxes before I jump into the Net package
18:06 szabgab so if you are interested I just started to cerate a new set of tutorials
18:06 szabgab text + screencast
18:07 prasun where ?
18:07 szabgab http://szabgab.com/perl_tutorial.html
18:07 prasun cool.. let me check it out
18:07 szabgab it is quite at the beginning
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18:09 bowtie szabgab, Q what is Prefs Sync?
18:09 prasun Did I read it right .. you are Padre's god father ?
18:09 szabgab I think the idea is that if you run Padre on two or more machines it will sync your preferences
18:09 Sewi prasun: He is
18:10 szabgab The Don ")
18:10 prasun :)
18:11 bowtie szabgab, is there server code, for a local implementation?
18:11 szabgab prasun: I'll be happy to get input from you regarding the tutorial
18:12 szabgab as seen by the eyes of someone new to Perl
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18:12 szabgab bowtie: Madre-Sync
18:12 szabgab but I don't know if there is any code there
18:12 szabgab sorry guys I have to go now
18:13 szabgab later&
18:13 bowtie szabgab, I will have a look :)
18:18 prasun bye szabgab
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18:24 foilo Happy Birthday :)
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18:47 Hyppolit # 1262 :  The combo keys for type a backslash (\) on OS X with french keyboard raises the contextual menu (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/1262 ]
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19:09 szabgab back
19:09 szabgab foilo: happy to you too
19:11 Hyppolit svn: r15001 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15001
19:11 Hyppolit Update the messages.pot file
19:11 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/share/locale/
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19:14 szabgab hi user_3131
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19:29 szabgab nice nickname
19:30 sjn yep :)
19:30 * sjn tries out the webchat thing on mibbit.com
19:31 * omgwtfpadrehasbirth is sjn
19:31 szabgab hmm sjn talks to himself
19:31 * omgwtfpadrehasbirth is also annoyed that the full name didn't fit
19:31 omgwtfpadrehasbirth omgwtfpadrehasbirthday!11!!
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20:11 garu szabgab: I admit - it's been really hard to find some free time these days... after I fix the catalyst plugin, the dancer one will be next on list
20:11 garu hopefully I can get azawawi's scintilla updates to make two different highlights in the same file
20:12 szabgab garu: no worries I know you are busy
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20:19 user_2984 good job guys.. padre is the bomb
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21:20 Hyppolit svn: r15002 | chorny++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15002
21:20 Hyppolit ignore MYMETA
21:20 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/
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21:42 bowtie Is it me or is Regex now the fast way to kill Padre!!!
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22:06 jferrero HI!
22:07 jferrero Can't locate object method "GetUnicodeKey" via package "Wx::KeyEvent" at /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl​/5.12.3/Padre/Document.pm line 664.
22:07 jferrero Padre v0.84
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22:10 bowtie jferrero, hi
22:14 bowtie jferrero, software version please
22:14 bowtie Wx, wxWidgets, Alien::wxWidgets, Wx::Perl::ProcessStream,
22:16 jferrero Wx v0.98, Wx::Perl::ProcessStream v0.29
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22:17 jferrero Linux OpenSuse v11.4 (i586)
22:18 bowtie jferrero, and the Wx versions please
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22:20 JimDod wonderfull tool gus and gals
22:20 jferrero Alien::wxWidgets v0.51
22:21 JimDod Just wish I could figure out to reconfigure cut/paste so it did not pick up on the paste
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22:21 El_Che JimDod: we've been breaking out heads ourself. Seems to be a wx bug
22:22 JimDod other that that it is excellent.  best Perl colorizer by far
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22:23 JimDod It would be nice to pull in perltidy, you would be one click from pretty
22:23 El_Che yes, there are been some nudges in that direction in the dev list
22:23 El_Che I sent one :)
22:24 El_Che I would like to see the perltidy plugin in core
22:24 El_Che brb
22:25 bowtie El_Che, hi
22:27 bowtie jferrero, please update your Wx from CPAN
22:28 jferrero Thanks, bowtie
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22:29 bowtie jferrero, all 4 items
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22:35 JimDod who came up with the padre "backronym"
22:36 bowtie JimDod, see Help->About
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23:59 user_5037 happy birthday padre!

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