Camelia, the Perl 6 bug

IRC log for #padre, 2011-08-01

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00:04 tome I'll include an update for my padre-brew that builds a perl for use with trunk (basically just the Perl and widgets, in the proper 32 bit, but not the plugins, so that you can use the trunk plugins, etc.)
00:04 bowtie tome, you will need to talk to szabgab, Sewi,  adamk or waxhead for guidance on where to pull from and when
00:04 tome sure sure, tons of OSX bugs too, goal was just to get things going again on OSX.
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00:26 bowtie submersible_toaster, I have used preferences sync feature as requested, I noticed that when I logged in to http://sync.perlide.org, there was no indication of the fact I had saved my config, I was expecting to see a transaction log, and to view my current config. I assume this is aimed at contract programmers, so there is no ability to delete my login details from Padre. Also is my password being sent as clear text. Hope this
00:26 bowtie helps.
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00:40 submersible_mib bowtie: thanks
00:41 submersible_mib I hope to improve that a lot. I think it's a twofold problem - Padre needs some way to mark a config entry as sensitive. sync interface still needs some work.
00:42 submersible_mib passwords are _stored_ salted and hashed BTW - but the transmission in the clear is certainly not desirable
00:46 bowtie submersible_mib, that was just my 2d worth
00:49 Alias_ I imagine I could add a secure config value
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00:49 Alias_ I've tried to limit the number of different types in the system, but this is a fairly good one to add
00:51 bowtie Alias_, should we have another db relation with iso country code in it
00:56 Alias_ Why?
00:56 Alias_ Database operations are relatively expensive
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00:59 bowtie Alias_, we have a country code in Prefs, what does it reference then, when it works (did in .80 i think)
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02:03 Alias_ oh, that "Prefered language for error diagnostics" one?
02:03 Alias_ Yeah, I see it
02:03 Alias_ Crap
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05:38 Sewi gm all
05:39 Sewi Alias_: Do you have access to szabgab's server to restart Hyppolit?
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06:11 szabgab Sewi: there you go
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06:19 azawawi good morning
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06:26 Alias_ Sewi: I think I theoretically do, but I forget :)
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06:28 azawawi Alias: Padre restartable configuration parameters...
06:28 azawawi Alias_: that's what i was thinking of that day while playing with feature_* config params
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06:32 Alias_ azawawi: Was that a question?
06:32 azawawi Alias_: an idea...
06:33 azawawi Alias_: you enable a feature through feature_*
06:33 azawawi Alias_: you need to restart Padre
06:33 azawawi Alias_: i was wondering if we could stop/start stuff instead of restarting the whole IDE
06:39 Alias_ The idea of feature_* was specifically for the big-enable, big-disable stuff that needs a restart. The restart is both to avoid overly complex refresh/relocale/reconfigure code, which could get nightmarish
06:39 Alias_ and also to allow the if ( feature_ ) stuff to be done (soon) with constants so that the code, CPU and memory needed to implement that feature can be completely recovered
06:39 Alias_ Reducing the impact of code bloat wherever we can
06:40 Alias_ Said features should also be the kind of thing that a) You detest and tend to permanently disable b) Are experimental and we don't want loading unless someone is elite
06:40 Alias_ If there is any kind of functionality that it makes sense for people to enable or disable on a more regular basis, then it shouldn't be in feature_
06:40 Alias_ It should be done as whatever_enabled etc
06:41 Alias_ Stop/start == code always loaded == bigger code and lots of if () == bloat
06:41 Alias_ Where that makes sense, we accept the bloat and do it that way
06:41 Alias_ For experimental and bloat reduction feature_ makes more sense maybe
06:42 Alias_ Or we add support for automated restart?
06:42 Alias_ We might need that already if you want to upgrade a plugin, and the upgraded plugin has a higher dependency of some other module that can't be unloaded (unlike the way the plugin unloads itself)
06:43 Alias_ That official restart logic could do things like temporarily stashing unsaved files and stuff to one side, so you didn't need to do a full save cycle like you normally do
06:44 azawawi i see
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06:45 azawawi so a config parameter can have a {needs_restart => 1|0}
06:45 azawawi by default it is false ofcourse
06:45 Alias_ Right now I wouldn't even do that
06:45 Alias_ I'd isolate it to feature_ to start with
06:46 Alias_ Since you can't really change a feature_ anywhere other than advanced preferences
06:46 Alias_ feature_ becomes a bit meaningless if it isn't special
06:46 azawawi agreed
06:46 azawawi ok that's one idea now the other one :)
06:47 azawawi internal padre-plugin-web
06:48 azawawi handle mojo, dancer, ...etc
06:48 Alias_ A generic base plugin for all frameworks?
06:48 azawawi create project
06:48 azawawi yup
06:48 azawawi yeah
06:48 azawawi but with one catch
06:48 azawawi you'll like that
06:48 azawawi we do not *INSTALL* until the user wants to use the feature
06:48 azawawi the deps that is
06:49 azawawi if you have mojo, we enable it
06:49 Alias_ First you need to solve in-editor installation
06:49 Alias_ Not a small problem
06:49 azawawi if you do not have it, we redirect that to CPAN tools
06:49 azawawi i know
06:50 azawawi the fact is... Padre::Plugin::Mojo|Dancer|...|etc is the same codebase
06:50 azawawi a restartable server log window
06:51 azawawi start/stop/restart web server
06:51 azawawi and the ability to launch a page in a web browser
06:51 Alias_ ... for now
06:52 Alias_ Who knows if they'll end up with additional stuff
06:52 Alias_ I'd almost rather implement Padre::Plugin::Web
06:52 Alias_ or something
06:52 Alias_ Still have the separate plugins, but centralise some support functions
06:52 Alias_ Or Padre::Web
06:52 Alias_ Rather than a unifying framework
06:52 azawawi aha cool
06:53 azawawi and dump dist::zilla
06:53 Alias_ Otherwise it's hard for mojo to add a "New Route" function
06:53 azawawi i do not know who thought that dzil-ing all those padre plugins was a good idea... :)
06:53 Alias_ I'm slowly becoming a proponant of "cut and paste early, delay unification until needed"
06:53 Alias_ heh
06:53 azawawi good news wx-scintilla 2.03 works on win32
06:54 Alias_ Mostly because cutting and pasting is really not that hard with a decent editor :)
06:54 Alias_ As long as different people aren't maintaining the copies
06:55 azawawi i find my $self later regretting the decision not to refactor when i have to maintain 2 copies of the same copy&paste codebase...
06:55 azawawi ofcourse in Java, refactoring is very safe
06:55 azawawi given the static nature
06:55 azawawi compiles/not...
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06:55 Alias_ I really don't find recopying stuff too big a deal most of the time, if it's in the same repo
06:56 azawawi different repos that is
06:56 Alias_ Once things aren't being maintained by the same people, things get harder
06:56 Alias_ What I do hate is trying to understand someone else's twisty complex abstractions, which pick up crazy special case exceptions and become almost impossible to understand
06:56 Alias_ And so people stop working on that code
06:56 Alias_ And it bitrots
06:57 Alias_ Whereas cut and paste keeps the code simpler, and just adds more work, which lots of people can do
06:57 Alias_ I tend to look at refactoring and abstracting once the cut and paste count gets to about 5
06:57 Alias_ Pisses me off then people do this
06:57 Alias_ $foo->start;
06:57 Alias_ $bar->start;
06:57 Alias_ foreach my $part ( $foo, $bar ) {
06:57 Alias_ $part->start;
06:57 Alias_ }
06:58 Alias_ Look at the comparative complexity
06:58 Alias_ They abstracted so that in a future that may never come where they have more than 4 or 5, it's more efficient
06:58 Alias_ The "better" refactored code is longer, more memory intensive, slower, and harder to debug or maintain
06:58 Alias_ anyways
06:58 Alias_ </rant>
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07:08 azawawi do not get me started at abstractions...
07:09 azawawi some people like to use some design patterns just for the sake of using it
07:10 azawawi and when you ask them why are you trying to find the Y manager via an reflection when Y is already in your codebase...
07:10 azawawi s/an/a/
07:11 Alias_ heh, java
07:11 Alias_ Yeah
07:12 Hyppolit svn: r15122 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15122
07:12 Hyppolit Update the messages.pot file
07:12 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/share/locale/
07:12 szabgab people of Padre, you are invited to join http://perlweekly.com/
07:17 Alias_ Like that buzz thing?
07:17 Alias_ http://perlbuzz.com/
07:17 azawawi Alias_: i also like Java-only architects who know only Java and nothing else... They sometimes rewrite a functionality that a command could do :)
07:18 azawawi szabgab: hi there... it is getting hot these days... 38 degrees celsius...
07:20 azawawi szabgab: latest rakudo does not compile correctly on win32 btw
07:20 szabgab azawawi: and very humid, I can't stand it
07:20 szabgab I did not have time for Rakudo compilation yet
07:21 szabgab but that's sad
07:21 szabgab and regarding the weather, at 8 am I am alrady sweating and need to turn on aircondition
07:21 szabgab so now I moved my headquarters to a cafe with wifi
07:23 szabgab BTW the big question with the PerlWeekly will be if I can get people from outside our bubble to subscribe
07:23 Alias_ Why duplicate the existing service?
07:23 Alias_ It just doubles the work doesn't it?
07:24 azawawi perlbuzz does not mention Padre.... ? :)
07:27 Alias_ Then you should tell him about Padre things
07:27 azawawi automate that somehow?
07:30 Alias_ He compiles it manually based on reading other feeds
07:31 Alias_ iron man et al
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07:41 Hyppolit svn: r15123 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15123
07:41 Hyppolit Applied patch 'Versions before 2.8.11 dont' have wxIntPtr defined' to fix compilation error on non-win32 platforms
07:41 Hyppolit trunk/Wx-Scintilla/wx-scintilla2/src/
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08:14 Hyppolit svn: r15124 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15124
08:14 Hyppolit Compatibility patch by Mark Dootson (markd++) re-applied to wx-scintilla2
08:14 Hyppolit trunk/Wx-Scintilla/wx-scintilla2/include/ trunk/Wx-Scintilla/wx-scintilla2/src/
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08:50 szabgab interesting, I never thought of perlbuzz as a place that collects external articles, even though as I can see petdance does post list of links
08:52 szabgab I guess there is some overlap though I won't publish any new content in the perl weekly and I will have to keep the list of items to some managable low (!) number
08:54 bowtie szabgab, ping
08:54 szabgab I am hre bowtie
08:55 bowtie szabgab, cool
08:55 szabgab but I won't rule in any spelling issue :)
08:55 szabgab I am not a ruler you know ...
08:56 bowtie szabgab, as I plod my way through the plugins, most of the errors are missing $VERSION plus some trunk sub name changes
08:57 szabgab bowtie: as I told you the missing $VERSION is due to the use of distzilla
08:57 szabgab so once someone takes the time to revert them back to MI, those problems will be gone
08:57 Hyppolit svn: r15125 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15125
08:57 Hyppolit Stopped hidden feature 'Replace in Files' from cannibalizing on the already-working 'Open Resources' Ctrl-Shift-R shortcut. Replace in Files now uses Ctrl-Alt-R.
08:57 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
08:58 azawawi bowtie: dist::zilla adds them when you build it
08:58 bowtie szabgab, no its not, it is missing from P-P-Name.pm
08:59 szabgab hey azawawi you are here :)
08:59 bowtie that's wa you can not load from trunk with -a
08:59 bowtie oops wa -> why
09:01 azawawi bowtie: my bad... im going to convert all those plugins back to M:I
09:01 azawawi bowtie: dzil is good
09:01 Sewi azawawi: Open resource was Ctrl-Shift-O, wasn't it?
09:01 azawawi Open selection
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09:02 azawawi Sewi: if we really want to simplify things
09:02 bowtie azawawi, ok I will ignore all plugins aganist you in first instance
09:02 azawawi Sewi: we should dump all shortcuts... :)
09:02 azawawi Sewi: and stick with Quick Menu Access
09:02 Sewi azawawi: Quick menu access is way too slow for me :)
09:03 azawawi Sewi: but it allows you to stop remembering all those shortcuts...
09:03 azawawi Sewi: and focus on the task you want
09:04 Sewi But shortcuts are much faster, they save a significant amount of dev time
09:04 azawawi sure
09:04 azawawi but if you want a beginner friendly IDE, that's the way to go :)
09:05 Sewi sure
09:05 azawawi people see what google do and say WOW... how simple it is
09:05 azawawi fact is... they research what's the easiest way to do things
09:05 azawawi people are lazy :)
09:05 Sewi yeah, me too :)
09:06 szabgab sure the "qucik menu" is there if you don't (yet) remeber the shortcut
09:06 szabgab and it is awesome
09:06 szabgab if I could only remember its shortcut :)
09:06 Sewi :)
09:06 azawawi ctrl-3 :)
09:07 azawawi think of it is the windows run menu
09:07 azawawi windows-R
09:07 azawawi windows=windows key
09:08 azawawi i use it a lot to type all commands i need
09:08 azawawi and it autocomplete already typed commands
09:08 azawawi s/autocomplete/autocompletes/
09:09 azawawi i still have on my TODO list http://rsms.me/2011/01/20/why-i-wr​ote-a-programmers-text-editor.html
09:09 azawawi fixed-space windows in an IDE is a bad idea
09:10 azawawi syntax check window takes space
09:10 azawawi directory
09:10 azawawi vim = sucessful because it gives the programmer a big space to edit things
09:10 azawawi IDEs give less space
09:11 azawawi take a look a firefox and chrome and how much space they have given web pages again
09:11 Sewi But learning vi comamnds is much harder than Padre shortcuts
09:11 azawawi sure
09:11 azawawi but vi with quick menu access + address bar = win
09:11 Sewi You're free to enable/disable all those space eaters as you like.
09:11 szabgab I think vi rocks because of the split mode
09:12 azawawi vi rocks because of many things
09:12 szabgab so when youare navigating you have all the keyboard to do that
09:12 Sewi And programmers don't really benefit from widescreens unless you have side panels :)
09:12 azawawi but there is one actually thing that gives a product an edge
09:12 Sewi users?
09:13 azawawi think about what happened here...
09:13 azawawi alias added a new cool feature that uses a shortcut
09:14 azawawi and inadvertently stopped open resources from working
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09:14 azawawi cool
09:14 azawawi but what's the real problem
09:14 azawawi shortcuts colliding
09:14 azawawi because... we do not allow them to co-exist
09:14 azawawi i made that assumption
09:15 azawawi which is how programmers think
09:15 azawawi one shortcut per task
09:15 azawawi why not ctrl-shift-R brings two options...
09:15 azawawi or N options
09:15 azawawi when they collide
09:16 azawawi and the most recently used becomes the one on top
09:16 azawawi i.e. the ide learns the user's behavior
09:16 azawawi the padre toolbar is cool also
09:16 azawawi but...
09:17 azawawi it takes space
09:17 azawawi and complexity
09:17 azawawi adds complexity
09:17 azawawi padre can look cooler if it is more simple
09:17 Sewi We already have this.
09:17 azawawi and intuitive
09:18 Sewi Try out Ctrl-F
09:18 szabgab hmm, who is running cpangloss.com ?
09:19 azawawi Sewi: Ctrl-F proves another point
09:19 azawawi Sewi: feaute bloat
09:19 azawawi Sewi: feature bloat
09:19 szabgab whois does not tell me :(
09:22 waxhead hey everyone
09:23 waxhead has alias gone?
09:23 waxhead darn..
09:23 * waxhead goes check the dev mailing list
09:23 azawawi make test is broken btw
09:24 Sewi szabgab: Whois tells me cpangloss.com@proxy.dreamhost.com
09:24 Sewi A Happy DreamHost Customer
09:24 Sewi 417 Associated Rd #324
09:24 Sewi Brea, CA 92821
09:24 Hyppolit # 324 :  ctrl+w should close current doc opened (closed defect) by waxhead  [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/324#comment:5 ]
09:25 azawawi wxscintilla 2.03 is running on win32/linux now :)
09:25 azawawi im tempted to switch it on after completing tests with mark
09:28 waxhead doesn't anyone read the dev list any more? :)
09:28 waxhead the Padre release has been delayed, and I'm  in need of some input before we go ahead here..
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09:30 szabgab Sewi: yes, which is meaningless to me
09:30 Sewi szabgab: You could write to that mail address, looks like a forwarder
09:30 szabgab I already posted on the web form
09:31 Sewi waxhead: The crash is covered, I don't think it's a stopper any longer
09:35 bowtie waxhead, an aside, should an ide have a spell checker, szabgab is stuck on the fence, what are your thoughts?
09:35 dolmen The Changes file in the SVN seems to say that 0.88 has been released. But I don't see in on MetaCPAN...
09:35 waxhead bowtie, as a plugin I think...
09:36 waxhead dolmen, it's the way we do things now...
09:36 bowtie waxhead, yes, it exists, and works :)
09:36 Sewi bowtie: If it exists and works, what's your question? :)
09:36 azawawi dolmen: that confuses me too
09:37 waxhead dolmen, first we clean up then branch for the release, then set trunk to a "dev" state and Changes is set accordingly... then transltors do their thing on the branch, I roll out the release merge changes abck to trunk
09:37 waxhead bowtie, spelling isn't my concern with coding, however it's different for a test file , or say html
09:37 bowtie Sewi, should it not be part of Padre, rather bthan a plugin
09:37 Sewi bowtie: No.
09:38 waxhead bowtie, not really... I think there's a spell checker in Notepad++ but it's a plugin I think
09:38 Sewi bowtie: It's heavy in term of dependencies and it isn't required for coding.
09:38 waxhead I think keep the core fairly clean
09:38 waxhead if there's enough push for it, then I guess include it then
09:39 Sewi We really should consider a integrated plugin installer.
09:39 waxhead azawawi, dolmen for the most part we shouldn't be branched for too long so it shouldn't confuse things too much
09:39 waxhead Sewi, so I need to merge your change into the branch before I release then...
09:40 bowtie Sewi, ok, if that is the case, why is feature sync not a plug in then, I am confused as to why some things are plugins and others are in trunk
09:40 waxhead and that's where I'm at, I need to confirm with Adam what changes he wants in the branch before release.. then I'll merge Sewi's change for the crash and then I can do the release
09:40 waxhead IF it all works!
09:40 Sewi :)
09:41 Sewi bowtie: It's the way it grew :) The global rule is now: Put as many new things into plugins.
09:41 Sewi But there are things which can't go into plugins or which really don't make sense (like project browser)
09:41 waxhead and as a plugin, we can have as many as we want
09:41 dolmen waxhead: this process does not seem to be documented (or at least linked) at http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/wiki/TranslationIntro
09:41 waxhead as long as the author supports it
09:42 bowtie Sewi, but feature sync is new, but not a plugin, still confused
09:42 waxhead dolmen, thanks. I'll check it out
09:42 waxhead dolmen, it's not clear, but it's in there: If you are doing the translation during the release freeze then will need to check out the relevant release branch and work only in that branch!
09:43 dolmen azawawi: http://padre.perlide.org/trac/wiki/Release
09:44 Sewi bowtie: What is "feature sync"?
09:46 bowtie Sewi, around here http://irclog.perlgeek.de/​padre/2011-07-31#i_4194588
09:56 Hyppolit wiki page http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/wiki/TranslationIntro changed by waxhead
09:58 azawawi what's a good option name for enabling stc2 via perl Build.PL ?
09:58 azawawi stc2 = scintilla 2
10:00 azawawi perl Build.PL --scintilla2 ?
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10:03 Sewi azawawi: --sct2
10:03 azawawi --experimental ?
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10:04 waxhead dolmen, check the changes to the translation page
10:04 waxhead dolmen, http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/wiki/TranslationIntro
10:04 waxhead translation?
10:04 Hyppolit translation is http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/wiki/TranslationIntro
10:05 waxhead oooo good Hyppolit
10:15 Hyppolit svn: r15126 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15126
10:15 Hyppolit Decide whether to use scintilla 1.x or 2.x in Build2.PL
10:15 Hyppolit trunk/Wx-Scintilla/
10:16 Hyppolit svn: r15127 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15127
10:16 Hyppolit Delete Build.PL
10:16 Hyppolit trunk/Wx-Scintilla/
10:18 Hyppolit svn: r15128 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15128
10:18 Hyppolit Build2.PL -> Tidied Build.PL
10:18 Hyppolit trunk/Wx-Scintilla/
10:22 bowtie waxhead, what a cool page, TranslationIntro I did not know about it,
10:24 Hyppolit svn: r15129 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15129
10:24 Hyppolit Updated Changes for Wx::Scintilla. Please read.
10:24 Hyppolit
10:24 Hyppolit Added 'perl Build.PL --stc2' to build experimental Scintilla 2.03.
10:24 Hyppolit This is a back port from wxWidgets 2.9.2 development branch for wxWidgets 2.8.10+.
10:24 Hyppolit Please test and let me know if it works for you or not
10:24 Hyppolit trunk/Wx-Scintilla/
10:24 azawawi finally! :)
10:25 bowtie azawawi, will Padre work with wxWidgets 2.9.x
10:26 Hyppolit svn: r15130 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15130
10:26 Hyppolit Updated --help text in Build.PL
10:26 Hyppolit trunk/Wx-Scintilla/
10:26 azawawi bowtie: i dont think so since we limit that
10:26 azawawi bowtie: Wx::Scintilla back ports scintilla for you :)
10:30 Hyppolit svn: r15131 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15131
10:30 Hyppolit Updated TODO and documentation
10:30 Hyppolit trunk/Wx-Scintilla/ trunk/Wx-Scintilla/lib/Wx/
10:45 azawawi bowtie: http://cpan.cpantesters.org/authors/id​/A/AZ/AZAWAWI/Wx-Scintilla-0.20.tar.gz
10:45 azawawi bowtie: wget http://cpan.cpantesters.org/authors/id​/A/AZ/AZAWAWI/Wx-Scintilla-0.20.tar.gz
10:45 azawawi bowtie: and then untar, perl Build.PL --stc2
10:45 azawawi bowtie: the rest is the same
10:46 bowtie azawawi, are you saying I can not just cpan get?
10:48 waxhead hmm.. if I was to merge in the two revisions from trunk to the branch, am I likely to get merge conflicts when I merge the branch back  to trunk?
10:48 waxhead anyway, if alias pops in, tell him to check the dev mailing list once it's cleared up what's going on, I can do the release.
10:50 azawawi bowtie: if you do that, it will build scintilla 1.79
10:51 azawawi bowtie: cpanm --look http://cpan.cpantesters.org/authors/id​/A/AZ/AZAWAWI/Wx-Scintilla-0.20.tar.gz
10:51 azawawi bowtie: perl Build.PL --stc2
10:51 azawawi bowtie: ./Build
10:51 azawawi bowtie: ./Build test
10:51 waxhead right, off to bed
10:51 waxhead night
10:51 azawawi waxhead: night
10:52 bowtie azawawi, ok I will go back to manual labor :)
10:53 azawawi bowtie: thx
11:01 shadowpaste "bowtie" at 217.168.150.38 pasted "wx happy reading :)" (164 lines) at http://paste.scsys.co.uk/127980
11:02 bowtie azawawi, anything else
11:07 azawawi ./Build install and run padre :)
11:07 azawawi bowtie: thx :)
11:08 azawawi now it is time for the 2.03 -> 2.27 jump
11:10 bowtie azawawi, P-about Wx-Scintilla v2.0
11:11 Hyppolit svn: r15132 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15132
11:11 Hyppolit Update the messages.pot file
11:11 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/share/locale/
11:13 bowtie azawawi, oops version is shown as 0.20 should it not be 2.03?
11:14 bowtie or is this the cpan version, and not scintilla
11:14 bowtie may be it should display both
11:15 bowtie how do I know I am now running scintilla 2.03 and not 1,79?
11:21 azawawi bowtie: sorry i was away a bit
11:22 bowtie azawawi, this is what happens when you get married, you distracted :)
11:22 azawawi bowtie: no actually that's what happens when you're fasting :)
11:23 azawawi bowtie: the no-water part is the one that hurts...
11:23 bowtie azawawi, blood sugar levels falling
11:23 azawawi bowtie: sugar starts falling after 3+ days
11:24 bowtie azawawi, for you mybe, for me type-2
11:24 azawawi ah i see
11:25 bowtie azawawi, it's an age thing :)
11:27 bowtie azawawi, can I point you to this for tome: http://irclog.perlgeek.de/​padre/2011-07-31#i_4197487
11:30 azawawi sure
11:31 azawawi what about it?
11:34 * azawawi tries 2.03 -> 2.27 stc again
11:36 bowtie azawawi, tome needs to chat about Padre and wx 2.9
11:36 bowtie due to 64bit issues with 2.8
11:36 azawawi i see
11:36 azawawi tome needs to talk to markd
11:36 azawawi and Alias
11:37 azawawi 2.9 is development
11:37 azawawi it is like a transition from wx 2.8 to wx 3.0
11:38 bowtie azawawi, ok, but you, alias, markd and tome need to talk
11:41 Hyppolit svn: r15133 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15133
11:41 Hyppolit Bumped version to development version 0.21_01 in Changes and Scintilla.pm
11:41 Hyppolit trunk/Wx-Scintilla/ trunk/Wx-Scintilla/lib/Wx/
11:42 bowtie azawawi, this means 0.21 -> 2.03 ?
11:43 Hyppolit svn: r15134 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15134
11:43 Hyppolit Started to remove support for Scintilla 1.79 in development version
11:43 Hyppolit trunk/Wx-Scintilla/
11:44 dolmen Looks like the Project Manager does not work under Ubuntu Natty. Both 0.86 and svn get frozen when showing the Project Manager.
11:45 bowtie dolmen, do you mean open Session?
11:46 dolmen no, Display > Show Project Browser
11:47 dolmen I had to kill Padre, but now it always opens with the Project Browser, so it freezes at startup
11:48 Hyppolit svn: r15135 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15135
11:48 Hyppolit Started major rename of wx-scintilla2 namespace to replace obsolete 1.x
11:48 Hyppolit trunk/Wx-Scintilla/
11:50 Hyppolit svn: r15136 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15136
11:50 Hyppolit Module::Build::Scintilla2 -> Module::Build::Scintilla
11:50 Hyppolit trunk/Wx-Scintilla/ trunk/Wx-Scintilla/inc/Module/Build/ trunk/Wx-Scintilla/inc/Module/Build/Scintilla/
11:51 bowtie dolmen, are you sure, working here on ubuntu 11.04
11:52 dolmen I'm sure.
11:53 dolmen I'm sure that it takes 100% of the CPU.
11:53 bowtie dolmen, I have load Padre 0.86 with and with out view->Project Browser loaded ok
11:54 bowtie szabgab, how is it for you on ubuntu?
11:55 bowtie dolmen, same for svn, ok here
11:55 Hyppolit svn: r15137 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15137
11:55 Hyppolit Completely switched to 2.03. Scintilla 1.79 support removed.
11:55 Hyppolit trunk/Wx-Scintilla/ trunk/Wx-Scintilla/XS/ trunk/Wx-Scintilla/cpp/ trunk/Wx-Scintilla/inc/Module/Build/ trunk/Wx-Scintilla/inc/Module/Build/Scintilla/
11:56 dolmen bowtie: this is not a new problem for me
11:56 dolmen bowtie: do you have Unity?
11:57 bowtie dolmen, yes both tests with unity running
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11:59 bowtie Alias_, what is causing this, please http://irclog.perlgeek.de/​padre/2011-07-31#i_4197959
12:02 Alias_ Interesting
12:02 Alias_ Probably the content for one of your plugins
12:08 Hyppolit svn: r15138 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15138
12:08 Hyppolit 2.20 scintilla is compiling but the wrapper glue code is not working. Fixing ... :)
12:08 Hyppolit trunk/Wx-Scintilla/wx-scint​illa/src/scintilla/include/ trunk/Wx-Scintilla/wx-scintilla/src/scintilla/src/
12:13 bowtie Alias_, still get it with perl dev --die, so if that is the case it's one of Padre default svn plugins :)
12:14 dolmen Is there a script to report the versions of all Padre dependencies (for a bug report)?
12:17 bowtie Alias_, where is the switch to turn on warnings in Padre, pleas
12:18 bowtie oops please
12:25 Alias_ perl dev --help
12:26 Hyppolit svn: r15139 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15139
12:26 Hyppolit Removed old files from scintilla
12:26 Hyppolit trunk/Wx-Scintilla/wx-scint​illa/src/scintilla/include/ trunk/Wx-Scintilla/wx-scintilla/src/scintilla/src/
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12:39 bowtie Alias_, ok found it in Padre.pm : local $SIG{__DIE__} = sub { print @_; die $_[0] };
12:40 bowtie now I get Failed to find share dir for dist 'Padre-Plugin.....
13:10 Alias_ I bet you do
13:10 Alias_ For reasons we already know
13:22 bowtie Alias_, It would not be the plugin manager, by chance, resorting to default values :)
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13:25 zenog hi
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13:32 bowtie Alias_, are  Wx::gettext() native & smart both working in P-P-FromBuilder
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13:35 Alias_ yup
13:40 bowtie Alias_, thanks
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14:54 Sewi ping szabgab
14:55 azawawi hi
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15:39 Hyppolit svn: r15140 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15140
15:39 Hyppolit Fix the last of the compilation errors for scintilla 2.27 on win32
15:39 Hyppolit trunk/Wx-Scintilla/wx-scintilla/src/
15:47 Hyppolit svn: r15141 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15141
15:47 Hyppolit scintila.xs -> Scintilla.xs
15:47 Hyppolit trunk/Wx-Scintilla/inc/Module/Build/
15:51 azawawi scintilla 2.28 has been released today...what luck? :)
15:52 Hyppolit svn: r15142 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15142
15:52 Hyppolit Upgrade to Scintilla 2.28 (1 August 2011 release) :)
15:52 Hyppolit trunk/Wx-Scintilla/wx-scint​illa/src/scintilla/include/ trunk/Wx-Scintilla/wx-scintilla/src/scintilla/src/
15:55 Hyppolit svn: r15143 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15143
15:55 Hyppolit We support Scintilla 2.28. Updated POD :)
15:55 Hyppolit trunk/Wx-Scintilla/lib/Wx/
15:57 azawawi one or two compilation errors and all is well in Perl scintilla land
16:01 Hyppolit svn: r15144 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15144
16:01 Hyppolit Updated Changes
16:01 Hyppolit trunk/Wx-Scintilla/
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16:10 Hyppolit svn: r15145 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15145
16:10 Hyppolit Fixed a compilation error
16:10 Hyppolit trunk/Wx-Scintilla/wx-scintilla/src/
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17:58 bowtie Alias_, ping
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