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IRC log for #padre, 2011-08-03

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00:37 Hyppolit svn: r15169 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15169
00:37 Hyppolit Comment nudge
00:37 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
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00:42 Hyppolit svn: r15170 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15170
00:42 Hyppolit POD typo
00:42 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Role/
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00:48 Hyppolit svn: r15171 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15171
00:48 Hyppolit Noting the regenerated FBP files
00:48 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/
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01:59 Hyppolit svn: r15172 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15172
01:59 Hyppolit - Padre::DB::Migrate now has a method-based timeline that is even smaller
01:59 Hyppolit again than the class-based timeline that replaced the script-based
01:59 Hyppolit timeline, removing the unsightly Padre::DB::Patch123 modules (ADAMK)
01:59 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/DB/ trunk/Padre/t/
02:44 Hyppolit svn: r15173 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15173
02:44 Hyppolit Made an %ENV setting local to avoid the need for an ugly no critic
02:44 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/
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03:03 Hyppolit # 1272 :  Padre crashes on Save, OS X 10.6.7 (new defect) new attachment [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/1272 ]
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03:28 tome_ Hi, the code in Action::label_menu which blocks the \t on 'stock' shortcuts causes the stock items to not have keybaord shortcuts on OSX.
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03:29 tome_ Is there a difference in behavior between linux and OSX on this?
03:31 szabgab tome_: I think there is difference betwee linux and windows
03:31 szabgab regarding hotkeys
03:32 szabgab so propapbly osx is justa  third case
03:33 tome_ szabgab: do you know what code is supposed to assign the codes to those stock items. Is it just Wx?
03:33 tome_ codes = keyboard shortcuts, sorry
03:33 tome_ on linux how does save get mapped to control-s or whatnot
03:36 tome_ sorry for the 20 qs : )
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03:45 Hyppolit svn: r15174 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15174
03:45 Hyppolit - Turn off Win32::SetChildShowWindow so that ordinary system() calls
03:45 Hyppolit won't generate short-lived command line windows (ADAMK)
03:45 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/
04:00 szabgab If I understand then stock items have stock short-cuts
04:03 tome_ thanks. Yeah looking into the wx docs to try to find the details
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04:08 szabgab syntax error at C:/work/padre/Padre/lib/Padre.pm line 189, near "->locale;"
04:08 szabgab that's what I get after svn updating Padre and trying to run it
04:09 szabgab r15174
04:09 Hyppolit Changeset #15174 http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15174
04:09 szabgab Alias_: ?
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04:33 szabgab 15172 was still working or at least loading Padre
04:55 Hyppolit svn: r15175 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15175
04:55 Hyppolit fix syntax error of Alias
04:55 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/
05:19 Hyppolit # 1256 :  OSX Padre menu keybindings are missing / not clear (accepted defect) by tome  [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1256#comment:1 ]
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05:35 tome_ Hi guys, in previous SVN versions there was inc directory in trunk, now there is privinc. When I run perl Makefile.PL it complains not finding inc::Module::Install. Is my dev process all messed up? Or am I missing a step.
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05:39 * tome is sure he's doing something silly
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05:56 * Alias_ was about to commit the same fix
05:56 Alias_ Sorry, typo
05:57 Alias_ tome: Install Module::Install
05:58 tome Alias_: wow, i feel silly. I'm sorry I built a new perl and totally forgot to snag that. Thanks.
06:04 Alias_ It's a common problem
06:07 Hyppolit # 1257 :  OSX Preferences window opens at maximize and cannot be resized (closed defect) by tome  [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1257#comment:2 ]
06:07 Alias_ tome: You happy it's fixed now?
06:08 Alias_ I finally took the time to read through the Wx documentation on Layout/Fit/etc in detail, so I'm hoping it's "done" now
06:08 tome yes! And I have two patches I'm soon to upload for someone's review, one that fixes the menu elements not getting keyboard shortcuts
06:08 tome Thanks so much for fixing that.
06:10 Alias_ My pleasure, and thanks for the debugging help
06:10 Alias_ It's important that FBP::Perl spits out good code
06:12 Hyppolit # 1256 :  OSX Padre menu keybindings are missing / not clear (accepted defect) by tome  new attachment [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1256#comment:1 ]
06:16 tome Hi Alias_, can you have a look at that patch? It's the minimal solution to including keyboard bindings on all menu items in OSX (just like Win)
06:18 Alias_ Curious
06:18 Alias_ Why do you think it was disabled?
06:18 tome I think on Linux only
06:18 Alias_ Find the log entry from when it was added that way
06:18 tome someone (wx, the desktop manager, someone?) is assigning default keybindings to things like Save
06:18 tome will do
06:19 Alias_ I would personally have done a "not GTK"
06:19 Alias_ So it was either someone that knows better than you, or someone like me saying "Well I only know windows, and it's safe here"
06:20 tome right, and since I know nothing ... : )
06:20 tome i couldn't find documentation in Wx about assigning default key bindings
06:21 tome but thusfar Win is totally out, so we're really only doing it for linux and OSX
06:32 tome Alias_: svn blame has that WIN32 change being   7253    szabgab       if ( $self->shortcut and ($self->id == -1 or Padre::Constant::WIN32()) ) {
06:33 tome so we could ask szabgab
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06:37 azawawi good morning
06:39 tome Hi azawawi, I just saw "Fix OSX compilation error (tome++)" today. Thanks for that.
06:40 azawawi no problem and thx
06:40 Alias_ tome: Is the log for that change a perltidy run?
06:40 Alias_ You might need to go back further if so
06:41 tome Alias_: it is not, that is the changeset that added that line
06:42 Alias_ ok
06:42 Alias_ Ask him
06:42 tome "set the menu shortcuts only on windows or on non-stock items"
06:42 tome Thanks for the tip, will do
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06:48 tome Alias_: sorry I missed your earlier question, you asked why it was disabled. That checkin adds a comment "if a stock menu item also gets a short-cut it stops working"
06:51 azawawi szabgab: what happened to your TT highlighting? :)
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07:34 Alias_ tome: If you're happy with the change, go for it
07:34 Alias_ tome: You are pretty much the guardian of Mac at the moment, and having someone in here at least beats the random non-Padre people that have stuck their head in for 10 minutes at a time
07:34 Alias_ Which is all we've really had in the past
07:36 Hyppolit svn: r15176 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15176
07:36 Hyppolit [Wx-Scintilla] Test and install Module::Build actions invoke build first
07:36 Hyppolit trunk/Wx-Scintilla/ trunk/Wx-Scintilla/inc/Module/Build/
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07:52 Hyppolit svn: r15177 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15177
07:52 Hyppolit [Wx-Scintilla] Makefile-like compilation dependency management
07:52 Hyppolit trunk/Wx-Scintilla/ trunk/Wx-Scintilla/inc/Module/Build/
08:01 Hyppolit svn: r15178 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15178
08:01 Hyppolit Trigger a smart object/shared library build if one of the input files is not up to date. More make-file like behavior via Module::Build :)
08:01 Hyppolit trunk/Wx-Scintilla/inc/Module/Build/
08:03 Hyppolit svn: r15179 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15179
08:03 Hyppolit [Wx-Scintilla] Updated Changes
08:03 Hyppolit trunk/Wx-Scintilla/
08:03 azawawi tome++
08:03 Alias_ Man I hate all the manual shit you need to implement in Module::Build
08:03 Alias_ I wish they'd implemented a rule system
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08:09 szabgab azawawi: TT became green on green
08:09 szabgab not really readable :)
08:10 szabgab only the tags though :)
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08:10 Hyppolit svn: r15180 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15180
08:10 Hyppolit Do an explicit void return when we can't find anything
08:10 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Document/
08:10 szabgab azawawi: there is someone who contacted me who would like to get involved in an open source project
08:11 szabgab azawawi: are you now here or shall I just shut up ?
08:13 azawawi szabgab: im here
08:13 azawawi szabgab: no need to $self->mouth->close :)
08:18 szabgab oh
08:19 szabgab so there is the TT issue with the new scintilla
08:19 szabgab and then there is this guy who wants to do some open source stuff
08:19 azawawi ofcourse... scintilla 2.x is a new branch
08:19 szabgab he knows C/C++ and Java a bit
08:19 szabgab and I sent him learning Perl
08:20 szabgab but I wonder if you could take him under your wings and direct him to do  some C <-> Perl stuff ?
08:20 Hyppolit svn: r15181 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15181
08:20 Hyppolit Trigger a smart XS build/link only if it is not up to date
08:20 Hyppolit trunk/Wx-Scintilla/inc/Module/Build/
08:22 azawawi szabgab: sure
08:26 szabgab so shall I give him your email. or shall I direct him to come to the IRC channel and look for you?
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08:35 azawawi irc/email...
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08:36 azawawi Wx::Scintilla build test/install now invokes the build like Makefile :)
08:36 azawawi M:B is very flexible
08:37 Alias_ Sure, but you have to do a lot of heavy lifting
08:38 azawawi good exercise for the heart :)
08:39 Alias_ But not something you want to repeat often
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08:41 Alias_ Would anyone mind if I removed Module::Starter?
08:41 Alias_ ... support
08:41 Alias_ And replaced it with New menu plugin integration
08:41 Alias_ So Module::Starter could be moved out to a plugin
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08:43 Alias_ I want to write a Padre-specific starter
08:43 azawawi sure
08:43 azawawi Module::Starter is ancient anyways
08:43 Alias_ yup
08:43 Alias_ And makes a lot of dangerous cargo culty code
08:43 Alias_ Also means one less dialog to port :)
08:49 Hyppolit svn: r15182 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15182
08:49 Hyppolit Do not build XS if it is up to date on various platforms
08:49 Hyppolit trunk/Wx-Scintilla/inc/Module/Build/Scintilla/
08:50 Hyppolit svn: r15183 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15183
08:50 Hyppolit Removing Module::Starter integration
08:50 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/FBP/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Menu/
08:50 Alias_ Well that's one less dialog to port
08:50 * Alias_ checks what is left
08:51 azawawi Perfect...
08:51 azawawi now im able to modify LexPerl.cxx and Wx::Scintilla build system will only build files that changed... :)
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08:54 Hyppolit svn: r15184 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15184
08:54 Hyppolit [Wx-Scintilla] Perl->tidy()
08:54 Hyppolit trunk/Wx-Scintilla/inc/Module/Build/ trunk/Wx-Scintilla/inc/Module/Build/Scintilla/
08:55 Alias_ I imagine that speeds things up a bit
08:55 azawawi old system = crap :)
08:55 azawawi new system better
08:56 azawawi before i only did a dumb -f $output check
08:56 bowtie Hi all, Q when we use --die against trunk, should we be letting a cpan module bleed all over us.
08:56 azawawi now im using $self->up_to_date($input, $output)
08:57 Alias_ --die is known to be noisy
08:57 Alias_ There's going to be false positives from any code that catches an exception and continues
08:58 azawawi Alias_: a quick question
08:58 bowtie Alias_, I thought the use against trunk was to look for Padre issues, not a cpam module bleeding
08:58 Alias_ That's it's main purpose, to see every exception regardless of whether or not it later gets handled
08:59 Alias_ How is it supposed to know that a Padre issue isn't being caused by cpan modules throwing exceptions?
09:00 bowtie Alias_, why can't we localise a bleeding module
09:00 Alias_ Because then what if it's a genuine issue later?
09:00 Alias_ I wouldn't worry about it
09:00 Alias_ --die is meant to be noisy
09:00 Alias_ It's a specialised tool
09:02 bowtie Alias_, No it's not, it should be quite if all's well
09:03 Alias_ Why should it?
09:03 Alias_ It does precisely what it says it does, it traps calls to die()
09:03 azawawi Padre's syntax checker does not respect %INC set by the user...
09:03 Alias_ azawawi: You mean @INC?
09:03 azawawi yeah
09:05 bowtie Alias_, ok, then I will inform the cpan module author, about there bleeding module :)
09:05 Alias_ Is it bleeding?
09:05 Alias_ Or is it just throwing normal exceptions
09:05 * submersible_toaster ponders what might happen by setting TTL on swarm multicast > 1
09:05 Alias_ Paste what you mean by "bleeding"
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09:06 submersible_toaster Alias_: r u @ work or @home
09:06 Alias_ work
09:06 Alias_ Finishing off something for Esa
09:06 Alias_ Plus I had a long lunch
09:06 submersible_toaster ok - see if you can catch me later if u r home and online
09:06 Alias_ Won't be a whole lot
09:06 Alias_ Going for a skate
09:06 submersible_toaster k.
09:06 submersible_toaster another time.
09:07 Alias_ Ya
09:08 bowtie Alias_, ok, I will create a ticket with my pondering, how about  bleeding module :) as a title
09:08 Hyppolit svn: r15185 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15185
09:08 Hyppolit Prepare for 0.21_03 developer release. Updated Changes
09:08 Hyppolit trunk/Wx-Scintilla/ trunk/Wx-Scintilla/lib/Wx/
09:11 Hyppolit svn: r15186 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15186
09:11 Hyppolit [Wx-Scintilla] Fix an XS build regression
09:11 Hyppolit trunk/Wx-Scintilla/inc/Module/Build/
09:13 Hyppolit svn: r15187 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15187
09:13 Hyppolit [Wx-Scintilla] Removed an extra unneeded bracket
09:13 Hyppolit trunk/Wx-Scintilla/inc/Module/Build/
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09:24 Hyppolit svn: r15188 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15188
09:24 Hyppolit [Wx-Scintilla] CPAN Release 0.21_03
09:24 Hyppolit trunk/Wx-Scintilla/
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09:37 bowtie here is an aside, that pops intermittently, Use of uninitialized value $chd in concatenation (.) or string at /usr/src/Padre/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Directory.pm line 556.
09:37 bowtie Something is wrong as one of the directory objects is undef (position=1, child=Wx::TreeItemId=SCALAR(0x1278eb80), chd=) at /usr/src/Padre/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Directory.pm line 556.
09:38 Alias_ ouch
09:39 Alias_ Good luck finding that one :)
09:40 Hyppolit svn: r15189 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15189
09:40 Hyppolit Adding the skeleton for the FBP conversion of "Insert Special Values" dialog
09:40 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/FBP/
09:44 bowtie Alias_, you are being so kind, it must be your Birthday :)
09:53 Alias_ Just a little stressed
09:53 Alias_ First Head Referee gig on the weekend, and giant work release impending
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10:04 Hyppolit # 1274 :  --die Plugin-Manager & Pod::Abstract::Path bleeding into Padre $SIG (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/1274 ]
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10:07 zenog hi
10:08 bowtie submersible_toaster, I recently found this: http://padre.perlide.org/trac/wiki/PadreSwarm
10:08 bowtie zenog, hi
10:12 bowtie sys-ops: is hyppolit mailer working ?
10:12 azawawi register?
10:12 Hyppolit register is http://padre.perlide.org/trac/register
10:15 Hyppolit # 1274 :  --die Plugin-Manager & Pod::Abstract::Path bleeding into Padre $SIG (new defect) by bowtie  [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1274#comment:1 ]
10:18 bowtie sys-ops: Hyppolit mailer has failed to send #1274
10:18 Hyppolit # 1274 :  --die Plugin-Manager & Pod::Abstract::Path bleeding into Padre $SIG (new defect) by bowtie  [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1274#comment:1 ]
10:19 submersible_toaster bowtie: yep - that was state of the art 2 years ago and not much has changed :)
10:21 bowtie submersible_toaster, i can get 2 clients talking locally, but it is just chat, what else should I expect?
10:28 Hyppolit svn: r15190 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15190
10:28 Hyppolit [Wx-Scintilla] Removed duplicate SetText()
10:28 Hyppolit trunk/Wx-Scintilla/share/
10:38 Hyppolit svn: r15191 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15191
10:38 Hyppolit [Wx-Scintilla] The rebirth of the experimental Perl 6 lexer. Updated share/perl6_editor.pl
10:38 Hyppolit trunk/Wx-Scintilla/lib/Wx/ trunk/Wx-Scintilla/share/ trunk/Wx-Scintilla/wx-scint​illa/src/scintilla/include/ trunk/Wx-Scintilla/wx-scintilla/src/scintilla/src/
10:43 Hyppolit svn: r15192 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15192
10:43 Hyppolit Bumped version to 0.21_04 and updated Changes
10:43 Hyppolit trunk/Wx-Scintilla/ trunk/Wx-Scintilla/lib/Wx/
10:44 submersible_toaster bowtie: if you have the 'project' panel enabled in Padre, you should see a 'Global' swarm panel there ala - directory tree , where you can see other global swarmers and their open filez!
10:46 bowtie submersible_toaster, global does not work, I think you will need to provide socket info so as I can punch some holes in my FW's
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10:55 shadowpaste "bowtie" at 217.168.150.38 pasted "Alias, FBP::Perl now has a new version 0.59 but same erros, as before, still needs to be FORCED" (85 lines) at http://paste.scsys.co.uk/128663
10:55 Hyppolit svn: r15193 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15193
10:55 Hyppolit [Wx-Scintilla] Perl 6 is coloring stuff... basic but it is a start :)
10:55 Hyppolit trunk/Wx-Scintilla/share/ trunk/Wx-Scintilla/wx-scintilla/src/scintilla/src/
11:00 shadowpaste "bowtie" at 217.168.150.38 pasted "Alias, happy un-birthday, Padre-Plugin-FormBuilder-0.03 cpan log" (52 lines) at http://paste.scsys.co.uk/128681
11:01 bowtie zenog, ping
11:07 Hyppolit svn: r15194 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15194
11:07 Hyppolit Add PUT support for Padre::File::HTTP
11:07 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/File/
11:09 Hyppolit svn: r15195 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15195
11:09 Hyppolit Beautify code: Lowercase variable names
11:09 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/File/
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11:09 sewi_mib hi all
11:11 Hyppolit svn: r15196 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15196
11:11 Hyppolit add "Support" to "Contact Us"
11:11 Hyppolit trunk/template.padre.perlide.org/data/
11:12 Hyppolit svn: r15197 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15197
11:12 Hyppolit Update the messages.pot file
11:12 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/share/locale/
11:13 sewi_mib Why do we just add files to the history table and never shrink it?
11:15 submersible_toaster bowtie: you need to allow outbound connection to swarm.perlide.org on port 12000 TCP
11:17 bowtie submersible_toaster, it's not out that is problem it's inbound, it's FW thing
11:19 bowtie submersible_toaster, what is  swarm.perlide.org public ip address, and have you a limited range of high ports or do I have to open them all up :(
11:40 Hyppolit svn: r15198 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15198
11:40 Hyppolit [Wx-Scintilla] A basic Perl 6 example is now highlighting correctly
11:40 Hyppolit trunk/Wx-Scintilla/lib/Wx/ trunk/Wx-Scintilla/share/ trunk/Wx-Scintilla/wx-scint​illa/src/scintilla/include/ trunk/Wx-Scintilla/wx-scintilla/src/scintilla/src/
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11:50 submersible_toaster bowtie: I'm not sure what the trouble is . .. there are no inbound connections for global - it's a relay . your outbound connect from any local port to swarm.perlide.org 12000 is all that is required for global to work.
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11:52 bowtie submersible_toaster, I am behind a firewall i need to know who is responding ip4 oct.oct.oct.oct:port, outbound should not be a problem, it's the return
11:53 bowtie which shoul;d be a multicast address using udp
11:53 submersible_toaster YOUR PROBLEM IS YOU DO NOT LISTEN
11:55 bowtie submersible_toaster, try again
11:56 submersible_toaster sorry - temper.
11:57 submersible_toaster the global transport is TCP port 12000 , it's about as sophisticated as http with keepalive
11:57 azawawi submersible_temper :)
12:05 azawawi scintilla is awesome... the perl 6 lexer is very fast given that they only color what's visible
12:05 bowtie submersible_toaster, Oops, I thought this mc was part go anywhere group, it is now, THANK YOU :)
12:05 azawawi STD.pm6 (i.e. Perl 6 Grammar) is very fast
12:06 azawawi full screen
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12:09 bowtie sys-ops: Hyppolit mailer has failed to send #1274
12:09 Hyppolit # 1274 :  --die Plugin-Manager & Pod::Abstract::Path bleeding into Padre $SIG (new defect) by bowtie  [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1274#comment:1 ]
12:10 * azawawi home &
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12:12 Vovan who is here?
12:13 Vovan hello
12:14 szabgab Vovan is here
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12:15 szabgab or maybe not even Vovan :)
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12:16 szabgab oh apaprently I was too antisocial :(
12:18 sewi_mib Hi szabgab
12:18 Hyppolit # 1244 :  The menu "recent files" is not updated on history updates, only with 1 file delay (new defect) by Sewi  [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1244#comment:3 ]
12:18 sewi_mib I added "support" to the "contact us" menu item on the padre page. Is it ok or do you want it removed again?
12:19 szabgab I don't mind
12:19 szabgab just firefox does not respond to me now :(
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12:21 szabgab it is interesting to see the comments on reddit regarding the perlweekly announcement
12:22 szabgab one complains it using mailman (python)
12:22 sewi_mib :)
12:22 szabgab the other one thinks it is an e-mail aggregator ?  what is that exactly? collecting e-mail for to sell/
12:23 sewi_mib Do you know why the recent files history table is never cleaned up?
12:23 szabgab another one thinks it must be the top 10 items from reddit
12:23 szabgab sure
12:23 szabgab noone added the cleanup :)
12:24 sewi_mib :)
12:24 sewi_mib I didn't know if it was wanted or not
12:24 szabgab I recall some discussion about it
12:25 szabgab I think we might even had that cleanup once
12:25 szabgab but it was trunkating to 10 - the visible length while I was arguing for a bigger list
12:25 szabgab and then allowing other way for searching files there
12:25 sewi_mib I think 100 would be ok even if we convert the current menu to a popup
12:26 szabgab ege ope resource
12:26 szabgab eg open resource
12:27 sewi_mib Let's say 1000, but my local table must be >30k or so
12:29 szabgab put some value there and we can make it configurable later
12:30 szabgab or you can make it already configurable with and advanced config option
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12:31 sewi_mib Currently I'm hunting #1244
12:31 Hyppolit # 1244 :  The menu "recent files" is not updated on history updates, only with 1 file delay (new defect) by Sewi  [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1244#comment:3 ]
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12:39 zenog bowtie: pong
12:40 sewi_mib bowtie: Finally got it. Adding ->refresh_recent is not enough because closing a file holds a refresh lock :-(
12:42 Hyppolit svn: r15199 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15199
12:42 Hyppolit Fix #1244: Refresh recent open files list on close
12:42 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
12:43 Hyppolit # 1244 :  The menu "recent files" is not updated on history updates, only with 1 file delay (closed defect) by Sewi  [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1244#comment:4 ]
12:45 Hyppolit svn: r15200 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15200
12:45 Hyppolit Small visual change, mixing "REFRESH","DB" with "REFRESH_DB" was too easy before
12:45 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
12:47 zenog Sewi++
12:48 sewi_mib szabgab: kthakore was the guy benchmarking Padre and detecting the memory leaks (if you still care about your xmpp problem)
12:50 sewi_mib is #1175 still there? Did it happen again within the last releases?
12:50 Hyppolit # 1175 :  padre goes crazy and does not allow saving file after a few seconds (new defect) by szabgab  [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1175#comment:3 ]
12:51 Hyppolit # 1255 :  The directory browser got an undef object and may stop working now. Please save your work and restart Padre (closed defect) by Sewi  [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1255#comment:2 ]
12:53 Hyppolit # 105 :  recover files when padre has crashed (new enhancement) by Sewi  [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/105#comment:6 ]
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13:09 szabgab sewi_mib: I mostly fixed the xmpp memory leaks and I am not at that client any more so it is less relevant but thanks
13:09 szabgab I have a bunch of comments regarding memory leaks I plan to assemble into a blog post or two
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13:09 szabgab but I have some other urgent coding to do now
13:18 sewi_mib Just found his ticket again and so I mentioned it :)
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13:35 Hyppolit svn: r15201 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15201
13:35 Hyppolit Very first try to add #105
13:35 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Task/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
13:36 sewi_mib waxhead: Please do not merge the last commit into the release, it needs huge additional testing
13:39 Hyppolit # 105 :  recover files when padre has crashed (new enhancement) by Sewi  [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/105#comment:7 ]
13:45 Hyppolit svn: r15202 | Sewi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15202
13:45 Hyppolit remove a warning, one backup file per instance and remove backup file on empty|exit
13:45 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Task/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
13:46 sewi_mib Still no recovery on restart, but work isn't lost in case of a Padre crash.
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13:52 azawawi Sewi++
14:02 Hyppolit svn: r15203 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15203
14:02 Hyppolit Remove Padre::File::HTTP warning that caused test suite failure
14:02 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/File/
14:02 sewi_mib big sorry for missing that warning :-(
14:15 bowtie can some one please give the format for using padre devel env setting, with a module, singular or otherwise: as per changes - Padre::Logger now allows the PADRE_DEBUG environment variable to be
14:15 bowtie set to a specific class name,
14:37 zenog bowtie: pong
14:37 bowtie zenog, ping, active
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14:41 azawawi sewi_mib: no need to be sorry :)
14:41 bowtie zenog, #1274
14:41 Hyppolit # 1274 :  --die Plugin-Manager & Pod::Abstract::Path bleeding into Padre $SIG (new defect) by bowtie  [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1274#comment:1 ]
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14:43 * sewi_mib wonders if someone will ever really use the PUT method for HTTP files
14:43 Hyppolit svn: r15204 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15204
14:43 Hyppolit Fixed routine 04-config.t test failure (Module::Starter feature removal)
14:43 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/t/
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15:12 * sewi_mib just brought Padre to another Perl using company :-)
15:12 Hyppolit svn: r15205 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15205
15:12 Hyppolit Update the messages.pot file
15:12 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/share/locale/
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15:25 zenog bowtie: Sorry, I do not have the time to look at it right now.
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15:29 bowtie zenog, it relates to http://irclog.perlgeek.de/​padre/2011-07-31#i_4197959
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15:34 Tim Hello!  I was hoping to get some help, please
15:35 Tim Thi sis my first time using Padre and I'm new to Perl.  When I try to execute my first simple script I'm getting a "no execution mode defined error"
15:40 zenog Tim: which OS do you use?
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15:40 Tim WinXP Pro for this
15:41 tome_zzz szabgab: Ping?
15:41 zenog Tim: hm. I do not really know about Windows. Any windows guys around here that know this kind of error message?
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15:41 zenog Tim: you try to execute by hitting F5?
15:41 Tim I think I need to give a path to the Perl interpreter
15:42 Tim yes and that's when I get the error
15:42 zenog Tim: What kind of Perl do you use? Strawberry? ActiveState?
15:42 Tim Strawberry which came with the distro I installed from the Padre site
15:43 Tim I'm looking in preferences and see that there is no path to the interpreter
15:43 zenog Tim: Is the error in a pop-up window, or in a console window?
15:43 Tim pop-up
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15:44 zenog Tim: That should not be the problem - the setting is only if you want to use an interpreter different from the one that is used to run Padre.
15:44 Tim Oh!
15:44 zenog Tim: on the other hand, I do not know so much about the Win situation, so I guess I should be quiet ...
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15:45 Tim In "\Strawberry\perl\bin" I see 2 Perl apps.  One named Perl and the other "perl5.12.3"
15:45 zenog Tim: Someone had a similar problem yesterday: http://irclog.perlgeek.de/padre/2010-08-02
15:45 zenog Tim: Save your script with the .pl filename extension.
15:46 zenog Tim: or change the document type to "Perl 5". You can do that in the "View" menu.
15:46 zenog Tim: "View document as ..."
15:46 Tim I'm on it
15:46 Tim one sec
15:48 Tim Yay!  I've got a command window and a new error
15:49 Tim Can't locate chi-lib.pl  in @INC
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15:49 zenog Tim: This may be related to what you do in the script.
15:49 Tim The new error is: "Can't locate cgi-lib.pl in @INC"
15:49 zenog Tim: Can you try a really simple "Hello world" first?
15:51 Tim on it
15:54 Tim It works!!!!
15:54 Tim thank you zenog!
15:55 zenog Tim: no problem. Have fun using Padre and Perl. Don't hesitate to ask if there are further questions.
15:56 Tim I really appreciate that.  I'm just finishing a .Net database app and am attempting to write a second interface using a web front end.  I'm growing tired of  .Net and want to transition away from it
15:57 zenog Tim: If you want to write web applications with Perl, have a look at http://perldancer.org/ and http://www.catalystframework.org/
15:59 zenog Tim: For Dancer, there is also nice (and short) screencast by szabgab++: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGX5pgKWVoc
15:59 Tim I briefly peeked at Dancer when searching for a Perl IDE.  (The MS IDE is one thing I've become spolied by)  Isn't dancer an alternative IDE?  I'm not familiar with catalyst, what is it?
15:59 rindolf Tim: it's not an IDE - it's a web-development framework.
15:59 Hyppolit # 1275 :  [osx] wxPerl not needed on OSX (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/1275 ]
16:00 zenog Tim: Those are web frameworks. That is, they are more libraries than IDEs/editors.
16:00 Tim got it
16:01 zenog Tim: If you are new to Perl, you can also have a look at Gabor's other screencasts: http://www.youtube.com/user/gabor529
16:01 Hyppolit Changeset #529 http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/529
16:02 Tim thanks
16:04 rindolf 529
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16:06 zenog rindolf: Strange, the thing with Hyppolit
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16:10 Hyppolit svn: r15206 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15206
16:10 Hyppolit Tweaks to Special
16:10 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/FBP/
16:12 Tim zenog, thanks again for all of your help and tips!
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16:40 Hyppolit # 1275 :  [osx] wxPerl not needed on OSX (new defect) by tome  [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1275#comment:1 ]
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17:01 zenog &
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18:26 Hyppolit # 1269 :  Padre 0.86 on OSX DMG crashes (accepted defect) by tome  [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1269#comment:1 ]
18:27 Hyppolit # 1272 :  Padre crashes on Save, OS X 10.6.7 (new defect) by tome  [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1272#comment:1 ]
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18:49 szabgab zenog: it the letter r followed by a number that triggered Hyppolit
18:50 szabgab and thanks for the plug btw for my screencasts
18:51 szabgab Tim: here is the list of the tutorial entreies http://szabgab.com/perl_tutorial.html
19:12 Hyppolit svn: r15207 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15207
19:12 Hyppolit Update the messages.pot file
19:12 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/share/locale/
19:19 tome szabgab: ping?
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19:36 szabgab tome: pong
19:37 tome Got two questions for you if you have a minute
19:37 szabgab go ahead
19:37 szabgab I have time but no brain
19:38 tome : ) ok change 1:  2 years ago you made this change: http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/7253/
19:39 szabgab so?
19:39 tome sorry - multitasking...
19:39 tome typing
19:40 tome ok OSX i see that stock menu items (like open) aren't getting keyboard shortcuts
19:40 tome I'm wondering about this history of blocking those, to see if I can open then up again for OSX
19:40 tome So it seems in windows (and osx) we need to always include the \tshortcut, I guess linux somehow gets them automatically?
19:41 szabgab no idea
19:41 szabgab but I cannot find that code now
19:41 szabgab can you?
19:42 tome yes, it's in the same file
19:42 tome I'll send a link
19:43 tome http://padre.perlide.org/trac/browse​r/trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Action.pm
19:43 tome moved under wx
19:43 szabgab line?
19:43 tome 167
19:44 szabgab ok found it
19:44 szabgab have you tired to changed that for OSX ?
19:45 tome yes, that works fine when I add OSX into that check (http://padre.perlide.org/trac/at​tachment/ticket/1256/patch.diff)
19:45 szabgab oh we have the patch already
19:45 tome yes, but it seems that now on linux only we block the keybaord shortcuts on ID items
19:45 tome so I wanted to learn what is actually happening under the covers
19:48 szabgab no idea :)
19:48 szabgab Mark might know :)
19:49 tome Do you think I should apply the patch for now, to allow OSX to work right?
19:49 Hyppolit svn: r15208 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15208
19:49 Hyppolit make shortcuts work on OSX as well - #1256 patched by tome
19:49 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
19:50 tome ah
19:50 tome : )
19:50 szabgab tome++
19:50 szabgab and the 2nd issue?
19:50 szabgab I liked this because smoll and clean pathc
19:50 szabgab patch
19:50 tome Ok, there is a critical error on OSX: save dialogs are segfaulting (which makes Padre useless)
19:51 szabgab yeah, that's not good :)
19:51 tome I wonder if you can look at the traps just to see if it rings a bell
19:51 tome see two attachments here: http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1272#comment:1
19:52 tome I'm sure it's some mistake during compilation or something I'm misunderstanding about how Padre or Perl finds Wx, but I'm stumpted
19:52 szabgab tome you can type #1272 here
19:52 Hyppolit # 1272 :  Padre crashes on Save, OS X 10.6.7 (new defect) by tome  [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1272#comment:1 ]
19:53 szabgab and Hyppolit gives you the link
19:53 tome thanks
19:53 tome is that just for tickets, or for changesets too
19:54 tome #15208
19:54 szabgab for changesets it is r15208
19:54 Hyppolit Changeset #15208 http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15208
19:54 tome cool
19:54 szabgab this is the same as within trac itself
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19:55 szabgab but I have no clue regarding that crash
19:55 tome bummer, I'll admit my ignorance to wxPerl and hear their wisdom...
19:55 szabgab again I'd refer you to the wxperl list
19:55 szabgab yep
19:56 szabgab none of us here really knows C
19:56 szabgab well except of azawawi
19:56 szabgab and Mark when he is around
19:58 tome thanks szabgab, I'll shoot the list an email when I can.
19:59 tome PS: I'll also soon release a patch to remove wxperl from OSX in padre, it is not needed
20:00 szabgab yeah I saw the ticket
20:00 szabgab but I am busy with some application I promised to a client
20:00 szabgab and  I need to waych the news closely now that I am supposed to be in the know :)
20:00 szabgab and send weekly updates
20:01 tome signed up for that, thanks!
20:02 szabgab I thought I'll have 100 ppl by the end of the month
20:02 szabgab and now there are 230 already
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20:02 szabgab anyway I have to sleep now
20:02 tome gnight.
20:03 szabgab thanks for your work on osx
20:03 szabgab night &
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21:47 Hyppolit # 1262 :  The combo keys for type a backslash (\) on OS X with french keyboard raises the contextual menu (new defect) by tome  [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1262#comment:1 ]
21:55 Hyppolit wiki page http://padre.perlide.org/trac/wiki/osxbugs changed by tome
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22:03 Hyppolit # 1256 :  OSX Padre menu keybindings are missing / not clear (closed defect) by tome  [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1256#comment:2 ]
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