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02:10 Hyppolit svn: r15209 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15209
02:10 Hyppolit Adding an is_unsaved method to identify editors which contain altered versions of saved files
02:10 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/
02:10 * Alias_ does some cleaning up of Sewi-ware
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02:31 Hyppolit svn: r15210 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15210
02:31 Hyppolit Core plugins may reuse the padre icon
02:31 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Plugin/
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03:12 Hyppolit svn: r15211 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15211
03:12 Hyppolit Update the messages.pot file
03:12 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/share/locale/
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03:53 Hyppolit svn: r15212 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15212
03:53 Hyppolit Function search nudge
03:53 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Document/
04:03 Hyppolit svn: r15213 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15213
04:03 Hyppolit Refactored Sewi's backup functionality.
04:03 Hyppolit Removed the execution of the background task to refresh recent files during Padre shutdown.
04:03 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Task/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
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05:35 Sewi Padre should have a update reminder: http://2.asset.soup.io/ass​et/2245/7266_0408_390.png
05:35 Alias_ It's a tricky thing to do
05:35 Alias_ Padre isn't always installed by the user
05:35 Sewi ...and updates not always work
05:36 Alias_ Padre would somehow need to know it's capable of being upgraded
05:36 Alias_ On something like Debian, you can't just do an upgrade
05:37 Alias_ And you're right that we don't have the quality control to deal with safe upgrading
05:39 Sewi Do you have any antivirus installed on windows?
05:41 Hyppolit # 1276 :  Compilation of padre.exe triggers virus warning (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/1276 ]
05:46 Hyppolit # 1276 :  Compilation of padre.exe triggers virus warning (new defect) by Sewi  [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1276#comment:1 ]
05:51 Sewi And there are still many Perl users not knowing how to use CPAN :-(
05:52 Hyppolit # 1192 :  "Fold all" does not fold all (new defect) by Sewi  [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1192#comment:1 ]
05:55 Alias_ I have anti-virus, and I don't see anything
05:57 Hyppolit # 1277 :  Folding shortkeys and improvement (new enhancement) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/1277 ]
05:58 Sewi I never experienced this using Free-AV before I switched to Ubuntu some month ago, but BitDefender seems to have these problems.
05:59 Sewi I don't have Windows or BitDefender left here so I can't test it, but maybe all we need is a false positive report to their company.
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06:20 Hyppolit svn: r15214 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15214
06:20 Hyppolit Ignore Makefile.old
06:20 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Project/
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07:12 Hyppolit svn: r15215 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15215
07:12 Hyppolit Update the messages.pot file
07:12 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/share/locale/
07:16 Hyppolit svn: r15216 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15216
07:16 Hyppolit Completed the migration of "Insert Special Values" to wxFormBuilder
07:16 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/FBP/
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08:34 azawawi good morning
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08:38 BlueT_ azawawi: morning and goo afternoon :)
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09:02 Alias_ evening
09:03 bowtie morning
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09:06 bowtie Alias_, any thoughts on #1274
09:06 Hyppolit # 1274 :  --die Plugin-Manager & Pod::Abstract::Path bleeding into Padre $SIG (new defect) by bowtie  [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1274#comment:1 ]
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09:13 Hyppolit svn: r15217 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15217
09:13 Hyppolit - Upgraded the Insert Snippet dialog to wxFormBuilder (ADAMK)
09:13 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/DB/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/FBP/
09:20 Hyppolit svn: r15218 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15218
09:20 Hyppolit Fix a few small bugs in the snippit dialog
09:20 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
09:22 Alias_ Woohoo! That's all of them
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09:23 Hyppolit svn: r15219 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15219
09:23 Hyppolit - Removing the deprecated Padre::Wx::Dialog now that all dialogs have been
09:23 Hyppolit ported away from it to wxFormBuilder (ADAMK)
09:23 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
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09:27 Alias_ Hap[py days, the fixed width layout toolkit is dead
09:27 Alias_ So that's all the automatically ugly dialogs fixed :)
09:27 Alias_ Now I just have to look into the hand-coded ugly dialogs :)
09:28 Alias_ For the amount of code it's taken so that I can "save" the 600 lines of that toolkit, it's somewhat of a non-win
09:29 Alias_ But then most of the replacement dialogs are easier to use or better in different ways, so I guess it's an improvement anyway
09:30 bowtie Alias_, do you have Plugin Manager on your list of dialogs
09:30 Alias_ Nope
09:30 Alias_ It's one of those hand-generated ugly dialogs :)
09:30 Alias_ And it at least scales
09:31 castaway Alias_: grats ;)
09:31 castaway hmm, how many different Wx thingys does Padre use, I wonder..
09:32 Alias_ A fair whack, but not as many as you might think
09:32 bowtie Alias_, nope, col version, always is to narrow and misses "n" of version
09:32 castaway Alias_: 5, 10, 50?
09:32 Alias_ bowtie: Unfortunately, there's no sizer that can scale a window based on the content of a list grid
09:32 * castaway should apply grep..
09:33 Alias_ bowtie: Someone's going to have to write a completely by hand custom sizer
09:33 Alias_ castaway: define thingies?
09:33 castaway Alias_: um, individual visual widgets
09:33 Alias_ Gawd
09:33 Alias_ Lots
09:34 castaway eek ;)
09:34 Alias_ Hard to grep for too, since a bunch are autogenerated, like menus
09:34 Alias_ Or have abstraction layers over them
09:34 bowtie Alias_, look in cookbook, there is a resizer that works on col label and contents
09:34 castaway Alias_: hm, ta
09:34 Alias_ bowtie: ok
09:36 bowtie Alias_, Padre::Plugin::Cookbook::Re​cipe04::Main::_tidy_display
09:43 bowtie Alias_, why edit->insert->snippets instead of edit->snippets
09:44 bowtie It appears to be a hidden feature :)
09:45 Alias_ For one thing, it's a fairly ordinary feature at the moment
09:45 Alias_ Most of the stuff it inserts is pretty trivial
09:45 Alias_ I'm just doing a directly dialog for dialog replacement atm
09:45 Alias_ I'd like to see a more robust second-generation system before we encourage it's use
09:46 Alias_ For example, you can't tab-complete snippet insertion, you can't indicate the mouse cursor should jump to a particular location in it after insertion, you can't do programatic generation, etc
09:46 Hyppolit # 1276 :  Compilation of padre.exe triggers virus warning (new defect) by zenogantner  [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1276#comment:2 ]
09:50 bowtie Alias_, fare enough
09:54 Alias_ Righto, home for me
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10:17 Hyppolit # 1276 :  Compilation of padre.exe triggers virus warning (new defect) by azawawi  [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1276#comment:3 ]
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10:54 azawawi szabgab: ping
10:55 azawawi szabgab: I submitted to Neil Hodgson (Scintilla's author) a request to update "Scintilla related" page to include Padre and Wx::Scintilla
10:57 azawawi szabgab: some good reaction from #perl6 folk as usual :)  http://irclog.perlgeek.de/​perl6/2011-08-03#i_4215724
11:12 Hyppolit svn: r15220 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15220
11:12 Hyppolit Update the messages.pot file
11:12 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/share/locale/
11:14 El_Che Hey azawawi
11:14 El_Che how is the married life treating you?
11:20 azawawi great
11:20 Hyppolit svn: r15221 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15221
11:20 Hyppolit Initial implementation of ticket:1099 Ctrl-Shift-T to get last closed tab
11:20 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Menu/
11:20 azawawi El_Che: does that answer your question? :)
11:21 El_Che :)
11:23 zenog azawawi++
11:31 Hyppolit svn: r15222 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15222
11:31 Hyppolit Added missing copyright
11:31 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
11:32 Hyppolit svn: r15223 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15223
11:32 Hyppolit Whitespace change
11:32 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
11:33 Hyppolit svn: r15224 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15224
11:33 Hyppolit Critic fix
11:33 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
11:52 szabgab azawawi: we know you are awesome!
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11:54 Hyppolit svn: r15225 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15225
11:54 Hyppolit Implemented ticket:1099 Ctrl-Shift-T to get the last closed tab
11:54 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
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11:54 Hyppolit svn: r15226 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15226
11:54 Hyppolit Various menu tweaks. Renamed "Open a copy" to "Duplicate"
11:54 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Menu/
11:55 Hyppolit # 1099 :  Ctrl-Shift-T to get last closed tab (new enhancement) by azawawi  [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1099#comment:1 ]
11:55 Hyppolit # 1099 :  Ctrl-Shift-T to get last closed tab (closed enhancement) by azawawi  [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1099#comment:2 ]
11:55 bowtie where can I find advice about using TRACE( ...) if DEBUG; against a Plugin
11:57 Alias_ use Padre::Logger;
11:57 Alias_ And then add TRACE() if DEBUG; to it as you wish
11:57 Alias_ The interface is pretty unmoving
11:58 bowtie Alias_, can I limit out put to just a single Plugin
11:58 Alias_ It's per class
11:58 Alias_ perl dev -t Class::Name
11:59 bowtie Alias_, ok will go and look, :)
12:01 azawawi zenog++ # cool feature i use all the time in chrome
12:03 azawawi szabgab: There is no charge for awesomeness... or attractiveness.  :)
12:05 bowtie Alias_, Padre::Plugin POD, padre_interfaces, lists Padre modules and version numbers.
12:05 bowtie 1, is it upto date
12:05 bowtie 2, it appairs to me you only need, 'Padre::Plugin' => 0.nn,
12:05 Alias_ You need to declare everything you use
12:05 Alias_ So if you use Padre::Logger, you need to declare that
12:05 Alias_ If you do $plugin->main->some_method you need to do Padre::Wx::Main
12:05 Alias_ etc
12:06 Alias_ You declare the parts of Padre that you use
12:06 Alias_ So when we break compatibility in one part of Padre, ALL the plugins that use it aren't loaded, but ONLY the plugins that use it are disabled
12:07 bowtie Alias_, but plugins still work and don't through any errors or warnings at present
12:07 Alias_ You THINK they work
12:07 Alias_ They MIGHT work
12:07 Alias_ But you can't know that
12:07 Alias_ This is about failure modes
12:07 Alias_ We have a choice about how we want plugins to fail
12:08 Alias_ 1. Always have every plugin load, wait for each one to do something illegal in Padre and blow up, leaving it half-loaded or in some unknown state and maybe crashing PAdre
12:08 Alias_ 2. Disable some plugins due to "compatibility" which really will still work, just in case one was using the specific part you changed
12:09 Alias_ In the first case, we have unknown and uncontrolled impact, and random side effects, any of which are potentially disasterous
12:09 Alias_ In the second case, plugin authors need to check they still work, bump the plugin's dependency hash past the change, and do a simple incremental release
12:10 Alias_ The second is much more responsible, and much safer when there's no firewall between the plugins and the core
12:10 Alias_ Firefox doesn't even give THAT much leeway
12:10 Alias_ Every plugin is automatically disabled, until they SPECIFICALLY test they still work
12:10 Alias_ We are at least doing piece-meal disable on a per class basis
12:10 Alias_ Which is more cpan friendly
12:11 bowtie Alias_, ok, so the the the modules version will be that of the Padre version it was created against, hence all module version numbers should be the same?
12:12 Alias_ Usually yes
12:12 Alias_ But someone might have checked that one specific class hasn't changed in the place we care about further back
12:13 Alias_ Or one plugin might depend on another plugin
12:13 Alias_ And so on
12:13 bowtie Alias_, I will add this to cookbook wiki then, ok
12:13 Alias_ But USUALLY they will all be the same
12:13 bowtie Alias_, the POD shows diffrent versions
12:13 Alias_ Well, it IS theoretically possible
12:15 bowtie Alias_, so hidden some whare in your brain is an padre-plugin api version v padre version numbers then :)
12:15 Alias_ api version is the same
12:15 Alias_ Padre::Plugin is just another class that the plugin "depends on"
12:16 bowtie Alias_, from POD, Padre::Plugin - Padre plug-in API 2.2
12:16 Alias_ oh, that
12:16 Alias_ That's mostly just a way of mentally marking time
12:16 Alias_ It's not really any kind of official thing
12:16 bowtie Alias_, yes it's confuses me
12:17 Alias_ Basically it just says "We've completely rewritten it twice, and made some big additions twice since then"
12:17 Alias_ It's for humans, not machines
12:18 Alias_ A bit like Padre::Task 2.0
12:18 bowtie Alias_, on reflection I got that, but I don't know what the padre version was then, and if I use that version will a plugin be back compatable
12:19 Alias_ You don't have to
12:19 Alias_ You just say the most recent version of Padre you are SURE that the plugin works with
12:19 Alias_ And Padre itself tracks compatibility for you
12:19 bowtie Alias_, I developed against :)
12:20 Alias_ our $COMPATIBLE = '0.43';
12:20 bowtie oops i -> ie
12:20 Alias_ See that?
12:20 Alias_ That's in Padre::Plugin
12:20 Alias_ So at a guess, the last time I broke compatibility for ALL plugins was likely 2.0 landing
12:20 bowtie Alias_, POD shows 0.29
12:20 Alias_ Which means 2.0 probably arrived around about 0.43
12:23 bowtie Alias_, ca I do perl dev -t Class::Name, Class::Name2
12:23 Alias_ Nope
12:23 bowtie only one :(
12:25 bowtie Alias_, all modules used by a Plugin that are not part of Padre core should be in sub plugin_disable
12:26 bowtie even if required
12:26 Alias_ All plugin modules should be
12:26 Alias_ Don't unload third party modules
12:26 Alias_ You have no idea if anything else needs them
12:27 bowtie Alias_, you mean Mouse for example
12:27 Alias_ right
12:27 Alias_ Only unload the plugin's own modules
12:29 bowtie Alias_, ok if a Plugin over loads sub plugin_icon
12:30 * azawawi home &
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12:35 Alias_ You can overload pretty much anything you like
12:36 bowtie Alias_, you are so happy it must be your un-Birthday again :), thanks
12:39 Hyppolit # 1276 :  Compilation of padre.exe triggers virus warning (new defect) by Sewi  [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1276#comment:4 ]
12:50 Hyppolit svn: r15227 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15227
12:50 Hyppolit Clearing out some little bits of dead code
12:50 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
12:56 Hyppolit svn: r15228 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15228
12:56 Hyppolit Cleaning out some Data::Dumper code people forgot to remove
12:56 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Document/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/ trunk/Padre/t/ trunk/Padre/t/win32/ trunk/Padre/xt/
12:57 Hyppolit svn: r15229 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15229
12:57 Hyppolit Comment nudge
12:57 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
13:01 Hyppolit svn: r15230 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15230
13:01 Hyppolit Remove name duplication
13:01 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Menu/
13:04 Hyppolit svn: r15231 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15231
13:04 Hyppolit Module::Refresh no longer appears to be in use
13:04 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/
13:15 bowtie Alias_, any thoughts on: Padre::Plugin::Cookbook - Not compatible with Padre 0.89 - Padre::Wx::Main is not back-compatible with 0.84
13:16 Alias_ I think the error message is precise and accurate
13:16 Alias_ And says exactly what the problem is
13:17 bowtie padre is complaining about Padre::Wx::Main 0.84 by trunk 15231
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13:21 zenog hi outer
13:22 bowtie Alias_, this means, that any plugin that has correctly set padre_interfaces, will get an error, hence I assume that is only 2 plugins, the rest have incomplete interfaces or are out of date
13:23 outer hi zenog
13:23 outer hi every one
13:23 Alias_ yes
13:23 Alias_ Or at least, they need to release a new version
13:23 outer i logged the chat cause to day i found this very nice tool for developing
13:24 outer *today
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13:24 outer i was wondering if someone of you is using padre under macos
13:24 Alias_ A (very) few
13:25 Alias_ tome is currently the alpha dev for mac stuff
13:25 bowtie Alias_, so initially I  thought only 11 of 55 plugins work, now I would have to assume it's only 1, that is cpan, the rest are in an undetermined state. of disrepair :)
13:26 bowtie Sniper, has OSX too
13:26 Alias_ bowtie: Pretty much
13:26 Alias_ Or they don't use Padre::Wx::Main
13:27 zenog outer: But if you have a question regarding Padre on Mac, do not hesitate to ask.
13:27 Alias_ Example: Padre::Plugin::ParserTool doesn't need Main
13:27 bowtie Alias_, REALLY, so they don't output to info or Output then :)
13:27 outer i didn't had much time to check if someone has already reported bugs and stuff like this
13:27 outer about autocomplete
13:28 outer and fonts problems
13:28 Alias_ outer: I'd lurk in channel and talk to tome, he's tracking some of the big comprehensive bugs
13:29 zenog bowtie: If the LaTeX plugin does not work, please tell me or submit a ticket - it works for me, but of course I also want that it works for others ...
13:30 Alias_ outer: What version do you have?
13:30 outer Alias may i tell you which are the problem?
13:30 bowtie zenog, I think I read a blog about, can i have uri
13:31 bowtie Alias_, I add a collection of mac tickets for tome here http://padre.perlide.org/trac/wiki/SandBox
13:31 zenog http://zenoga.tumblr.com/post/37​48629330/latex-plugin-for-padre
13:31 Alias_ outer: It would be best to report bugs only if you are using trunk
13:31 Alias_ If at all possible
13:31 zenog bowtie: It is also on CPAN, and in the Padre svn
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13:32 outer i have got padre 0.50 (downloaded today the dmg version for mac os) and i'm running mac os 10.6.8, this is not the latest version of the OS i can not update cause i'm using a mobile phone connection
13:33 zenog outer: 0.50 is really old.
13:33 outer Alias_ sorry for the noob question, what does using a trunk mean??
13:33 Alias_ outer: The svn repository version
13:33 Alias_ ok, so 0.50 is a year or more old
13:33 Alias_ 2 years?
13:33 bowtie zenog, ok, I will process LateX later today, and up date wiki :)
13:33 Alias_ very old basically
13:34 Alias_ There's a much more decent dmg available
13:34 outer oh my, this was the quickest way for me to install padre
13:34 outer where so?
13:34 outer http://padre.perlide.org/download.html
13:35 outer i thought i was right, am i not?
13:35 Alias_ I wonder if that's out of date now
13:35 Alias_ The 0.50 thing was a one time build
13:35 bowtie Alias_, does tome have a link to his DMG ?
13:35 Alias_ I think he does
13:35 Alias_ outer: He's still playing with the new dmg builder, which is probably why it's not on the download page
13:35 bowtie Alias_, tome DMG is 0.86 I think
13:36 outer what a pity
13:36 bowtie it's on a link on his blog
13:36 outer i guess you can link it here?
13:37 bowtie outer, tome is looking for testers, are you up for it
13:38 zenog Shouldn't we link tome's preliminary 0.86 .dmg file on the download page? No matter how bad/preliminary it is, can it be worse than having version 0.50 on our official download page?
13:38 szabgab zenog: from the wiki definietly
13:38 outer it's not a problem
13:38 szabgab but as I understand it is crashy a bit
13:38 szabgab but only when you try to save a file :)
13:38 outer i'm not that geek of perl but i need it to finish a little project
13:39 outer o.O
13:39 bowtie zenog, I agree, can we encorage outer to join and help tome:)
13:39 zenog szabgab: lol
13:39 szabgab tome sent an email to the wxperl list with the crash reports
13:39 szabgab and they are also in out track
13:40 szabgab outer do you have c background?
13:40 outer yep
13:40 szabgab then maybe you have some clue for that
13:40 szabgab let me check the ticket
13:41 outer guys link me to the tickets :P
13:41 szabgab #1272
13:41 Hyppolit # 1272 :  Padre crashes on Save, OS X 10.6.7 (new defect) by tome  [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1272#comment:1 ]
13:41 szabgab there I think outer
13:42 outer isn't a matter if i'm running os 10.6.8
13:42 outer ?
13:43 bowtie outer which kitty is that?
13:43 outer guis i'm sorry
13:43 outer my father's here
13:44 outer i gotta bring the car to the mechanic, i'll be back
13:45 szabgab http://wildperl.com/2011/07/padre-on-osx-​dmg-now-on-leopard-snow-leopard-and-lion/
13:45 szabgab outer: for when you return ^^^^
13:46 outer great guys!! byeeee
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13:50 Hyppolit wiki page http://padre.perlide.org/trac/wiki/DownloadMacOSX changed by szabgab
13:53 Hyppolit svn: r15232 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15232
13:53 Hyppolit remove the link to the ancient dmg file from the main download page
13:53 Hyppolit trunk/template.padre.perlide.org/tt/pages/
13:53 szabgab I hope now it is better
13:53 Hyppolit wiki page http://padre.perlide.org/trac/wiki/DownloadMacOSX changed by bowtie
13:54 bowtie added osx tickets to above for tome
13:55 szabgab the link at the top was not enough?
13:56 Hyppolit wiki page http://padre.perlide.org/trac/wiki/DownloadMacOSX changed by bowtie
13:56 bowtie sorry me dick head :) corrected now
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14:43 Hyppolit # 1278 :  Padre::Plugin::LaTeX, fix for missing version & some :) (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/1278 ]
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14:47 bowtie zenog, just for you, any questions?
14:48 zenog bowtie: If you want, you can make commits directly to SVN.
14:48 bowtie zenog, I dont have ci, only to P-P-Cookbook
14:49 zenog bowtie: What does that mean?
14:50 bowtie zenog I can only commit to Padre-Plugin-Cookbook, hence ticket for you to process :)
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14:52 zenog Is there a way of directly applying the patch inside Trac?
14:52 zenog bowtie: Is there a reason why you do not have the commit bits?
14:52 bowtie zenog, i have not test functionality as it's not by bag man
14:52 zenog bowtie: OK
14:53 bowtie zenog, yes I only asked for cookbook, but you can add me to latex if you wish
14:54 bowtie zenog, do you want the patch file added to ticket ?
14:55 zenog bowtie: It is okay, I have unmerged local changes anyway.
14:55 zenog bowtie: Is there a reason why you bump the necessary versions to 0.86.
14:55 zenog bowtie: afaik there was no break since 0.81
14:56 bowtie zenog, drop it and plugin manager will complain if run from trunk
14:57 zenog bowtie: hm. Not here. I am running the 0.88 branch, and everything is fine.
14:58 bowtie zenog, I only did what I had to to make it run from trunk, ie perl dev -a
14:58 zenog bowtie: There is also no $self->{dialog} to destroy, I guess.
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14:59 bowtie zenog, yes, but I could not decided weather your code had deleated about correctly or not so left in as prompt, so I would learn from feedback
15:00 Hyppolit # 1278 :  Padre::Plugin::LaTeX, fix for missing version & some :) (new defect) new attachment [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/1278 ]
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15:00 bowtie zenog, added diff to ticket for you
15:02 zenog bowtie: thx
15:02 bowtie zenog, most if not all other plugins need, similar little tweaks
15:04 bowtie zenog, can you check http://padre.perlide.org/trac/wiki/Plugins critiques welcome
15:05 zenog bowtie: btw, the version number is not needed, this is taken care of by Dist::Zilla
15:07 bowtie zenog, but you can't run from perl dev -a with out, have a go and see what happens, it is also much easer than loading and unloading cpan modules :)
15:09 zenog bowtie: I guess that dev -a only works for plugins that do not use Dist::Zilla.
15:09 zenog bowtie: Dist::Zilla-based plugins get some source code modifications before they are installed.
15:10 zenog bowtie: dev -a seems to run the plugins without installing them ...
15:12 Hyppolit svn: r15233 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15233
15:12 Hyppolit Update the messages.pot file
15:12 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/share/locale/
15:13 Hyppolit svn: r15234 | zenogantner++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15234
15:13 Hyppolit [LaTeX plugin] some modifications suggested by bowtie
15:13 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-LaTeX/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-LaTeX/lib/Padre/Plugin/
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15:49 Hyppolit svn: r15235 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15235
15:49 Hyppolit Parser tool works now
15:49 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-ParserTool/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-ParserTool​/lib/Padre/Plugin/ParserTool/
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15:51 bowtie Alias_, what is the solution for missing plugin version in trunk for  Dist::Zilla builds
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15:54 Alias_ Migrate away from Dist::Zilla for starters :)
15:55 bowtie Alias_, your not a fan then :)
15:56 bowtie Alias_, are there any wiki or blogs for Padre-Plugin-ParserTool
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16:11 bowtie look what i found http://perlide.org/translations/ any body no about this?
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16:14 zenog Alias_: thing is, Dist::Zilla is quite nice ;-)
16:14 zenog bowtie: yeah, it is the translation statistics page
16:15 bowtie zenog, is it created on the fly, if so I will add to Plugins wiki page
16:17 bowtie zenog, what is your outcome with plugin_disable and about dialog
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16:22 Hyppolit wiki page http://padre.perlide.org/trac/wiki/Plugins changed by bowtie
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16:26 zenog bowtie: will take care of that
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16:26 bowtie zenog, if you want to use the about from cookbook help yourself
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16:41 zenog bowtie: removing the LaTeX document class while a LaTeX document is open can lead to a Padre crash. I guess it can happen for all document types ...
16:44 bowtie zenog, as far as I can see if you add a POD section BUGS / LIMITATIONS with plugin crashes on reload all plugins, thaks cool with me, could you not close all latex docs in in plugin_disable ?
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16:47 bowtie zenog, or can you tell Padre that they are no longer Latex docs, filip flop, just as you do when plugin loads and spots a latex doc type?
16:51 zenog bowtie: I guess the best way is to re-open the latex docs.
16:52 zenog bowtie: This is my plan anyway, but no time for that.
16:52 zenog bowtie: ... now.
16:54 bowtie zenog, I am still trying to get a gui plugin shell up and running, that conforms, that i understand, against a changing background, hay sometimes it's fun :)
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17:09 Hyppolit wiki page http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/wiki/PadrePluginDialog changed by bowtie
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18:36 Tuc Wheres a place to find "How to Debug the Activate State PPM'd Windows 32 bit 0.86 version"?
18:37 Tuc (Against 5.10.1.?)
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19:39 Hyppolit svn: r15236 | bowtie++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15236
19:39 Hyppolit update to plugin interface,
19:39 Hyppolit start using DEBUG
19:39 Hyppolit added an icon
19:39 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-Cookbook/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Cookbook/lib/Padre/Plugin/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Cookbook/lib/​Padre/Plugin/Cookbook/Recipe04/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Cookbook/share/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Cookbook/share/icons/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Cookbook/share/icons/16x16/
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21:08 bowtie submersible_?, Madre, cool we have info, :) but This user has not added a profile.
21:08 bowtie Last config sync 2011-07-31 11:08:11, it's contradicting
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21:10 bowtie Alias_, info Padre-Plugin-ParserTool, does not respond to reload all plugins :(
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21:14 Hyppolit wiki page http://padre.perlide.org/trac/wi​ki/PadrePluginCookbookRecipie05 changed by bowtie
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21:25 Hyppolit wiki page http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/wiki/PadrePluginDialog changed by bowtie
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23:54 submersible_mib bowtie: Madre still has some work required before it is 'ready' the uris for config are all wrong
23:55 bowtie submersible_mib, hi, i was just providing some feedback, or a critique if you like, no more or less
23:55 bowtie oops or -> no
23:56 bowtie I was going to looka at your new code, but it's not in trunk yet
23:58 Hyppolit # 1273 :  Padre::Plugin::Swarm  patch for reloading (new defect) by submersible_toaster  [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1273#comment:2 ]

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