Camelia, the Perl 6 bug

IRC log for #padre, 2011-08-06

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03:48 tome Howdy all
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11:45 Hyppolit wiki page http://padre.perlide.org/trac/wiki/Plugins changed by bowtie
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18:23 Hyppolit # 1096 :  Padre freeze (new defect) by bowtie  [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1096#comment:5 ]
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18:33 Hyppolit # 1258 :  [osx] opening the plugin manager results in a wxWidgets Debug Alert (closed defect) by tome  [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1258#comment:1 ]
18:34 bowtie tome, hi
18:34 tome Hi bowtie, how's it going?
18:35 tome See you you've been working hard on the PadrePlugin guide?
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18:36 bowtie tome, yes I keep adding more, as I come to terms with it, then just for fun things change :)
18:38 Hyppolit # 932 :  Cannot adjust font setting (new defect) by tome  [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/932#comment:2 ]
18:38 bowtie some times i find POD a bit terse, hence I like the recipe approach,
18:38 tome I am constantly getting these : Unsupported window created of class: <name of window type?
18:38 tome annoying...
18:39 bowtie tome, if you open Padre up with no active editor, do you get any?
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18:39 tome I don't know what you mean with no active editor
18:40 bowtie no open files
18:41 bowtie tome, then if you click on new file do you get a bucket load :)
18:42 tome none when i open with a blank editor, when I open a file I get: Unsupported window created of class: NSNavOpenPanel
18:42 tome (and I confirmed with other osx user that they saw it too). When I open things like save dialog, basically every window/dialog
18:42 tome i get one
18:42 tome strangely I cannot find any good info on google
18:43 tome 2011-08-06 11:41:33.140 wxPerl[60380:c07] Unsupported window created of class: NSNavOpenPanel
18:44 shadowpaste "bowtie" at 217.168.150.38 pasted "junk happends after opening a new file" (44 lines) at http://paste.scsys.co.uk/130108
18:45 tome curious...
18:45 bowtie tome, on ubuntu we get above, this looks like it's same error, ie gtk2 spits out
18:46 bowtie tome, can you paste yours,
18:46 tome just did above, you want a pastie?
18:47 shadowpaste "tome" at 217.168.150.38 pasted "OSX warning when I open any window (class changes)" (1 line) at http://paste.scsys.co.uk/130109
18:47 tome Could not find system(darwin) default encoding. Please check it manually and report your environment to the Padre development team. at /Users/tom/Projects/PadreBuild​/svn/Padre/lib/Padre/Locale.pm line 599.
18:47 tome just got this
18:51 bowtie tome, Ouch, I would just put it in a ticket
18:52 tome yeah
19:00 bowtie tome, I am hopping when you get a stable DMG or other install, you will look at Cookbook and tell me what needs to be done for it to be stable on OSX :)
19:01 tome will do!
19:02 tome i think I've gotten all the mac crashes solved (I think.....) once my patch goes in for FileDialog
19:05 bowtie tome, don't tell any one but you are my hero :)
19:06 tome I think Mark@Cava is the real hero, since whenever I absolutely cannot solve anything I ask him and he's like... 'oh yeah here's the answer and here is all this amazing work I did to show that it's right and yeah it was nothing...'
19:07 tome but Ill take what I can get : )
19:07 bowtie tome, have it your way then :)
19:07 tome sorry!
19:07 bowtie tome++
19:07 tome That may not have come out right on IRC, but I was just giving Mark props
19:10 bowtie tome, I think that, you using OSX can only make Padre better, like your 4 year old ticket, that should be implemented :)
19:11 tome thanks yeah I'm willing to wade through the *storm : )
19:12 tome One thing I think is maybe a problem is that by default Padre opens without all the View-things open
19:12 tome People run it and they thing it's like a notepad
19:12 tome I think maybe we should default to opening All those things
19:12 tome in the View menu
19:12 tome show people what they can choose from
19:17 tome ok this is a silly question but I'm trying to run padre within padre, is there some way for me to say 'When I say Run/Debug, I want you to execute this'  (../../perl -Ilib dev)
19:21 bowtie tome, I can't figure out Padre and it's use of Debug, it's probably due to having only used eclips with pad::walker, but it will not debug padre plugins, I think you should ask alias or szabgab
19:22 tome lets see if I can get it myself - right now trying w/ switching to a 'dev' tab and running it
19:23 bowtie have you tried the -t switch?
19:23 tome it just seems really strange to me that I cannot set a breakpoint in the file that I'm looking at!
19:23 tome (have to start debugger by saying step in or something, that seems odd)
19:23 tome bowtie: -t to dev script?
19:24 bowtie perl dev -t
19:24 tome I have in the past, why?
19:24 tome I thought it was pretty cool : )
19:26 bowtie but only if there is a trace set up for what you want to view
19:27 tome right.
19:27 bowtie did you now you can perl dev -t Pedre::Loacle
19:27 tome cool, filters the trace
19:27 tome but I was hoping Padre would let me just set a breakpoint
19:27 bowtie but only accepts on class
19:27 tome and then break when it gets there
19:28 tome but it's not letting me set a breakpoint in Locale (maybe because it's not loaded? not sure ). Some debugging of the debugging needed by me
19:28 bowtie I think it's related to task manager, as i have debuged threads with eclipes before
19:34 bowtie tome, there is a client server going on inside some ware, which i think is masking your break points
19:35 tome yeah I saw that... I haven't thought about how to debug perl in an IDE, I figured we'd just spawn perl -d : )
19:35 tome and communicate through the command line, or... I guess there should be a CPAN module for that : )
19:35 tome haven't looked into it at all, pretty cool
19:39 Hyppolit # 162 :  CGContextRestoreGState: invalid context (new defect) by tome  [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/162#comment:10 ]
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20:36 jdoe tome: so I figured out how to spawn a new terminal(.app) window for output, but I can't get it working properly from padre.
20:36 jdoe given up on it for now.
20:37 tome jdoe: I saw there was a flag in preferences btw
20:37 tome to open a terminal on debug
20:37 tome did you see that?
20:37 tome (it's on by default)
20:38 jdoe tome: eh, I just figure that since there's a special case for win32 vs not, doesn't hurt to special case osx too.
20:38 jdoe but it's kinda hackish and uses applescript. :/
20:38 jdoe (very hackish)
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20:39 tome jdoe: does the setting in prefs solve your problem 'better' >
20:41 bowtie jdoe, what a cool idea :)
20:42 tome jdoe: do you have access to open defects? If not can you send me the applescript, if yes, can you open a documentation defect? I'd love to add your applescript in as a doc
21:12 jdoe tome: I'd have to fix it first :P
21:13 jdoe works from the command line, but it's very sensitive to extra quotes.
21:13 jdoe so it doesn't cleanly drop into padre.
21:13 tome jdoe: sorry to keep asking but I wonder if you tried that preferences checkbox to keep output in the padre frame not the X11 terminal, does that do what you need it to?
21:14 jdoe I'm sure that'd work too, though I guess for anything more complex you may want it in its own window
21:14 jdoe haven't had a chance to check, my laptop is across the room and charging. I'll poke at it (and the applescript) later.
21:14 tome cool, let me know if it works and what works best for you, it would be great to at least get a doc going, and at most make some changes to Padre
21:15 jdoe for sure
21:15 bowtie tome, if you run prove -lv, you don't get colour in padre output, only in term
21:15 jdoe tome: did you figure out why your perlbrew thing was failing to build?
21:15 tome jdoe: not at all, I could not yet reproduce your issue
21:15 jdoe doh.
21:16 jdoe I'll poke at that later too I guess.
21:16 tome bowtie: if using Padre as an IDE, wouldn't you use 'run tests' or something like that
21:16 tome jdoe: does perlbrew work for you without my script
21:16 bowtie tome, it just calls prove for you any way
21:16 tome bowtie: I haven't done any, but yes I agree that running shell commands within padre is bound to cause a sub-standard experience
21:17 jdoe tome: dunno. I've always just built it from source myself. I'll see.
21:17 tome bowtie: I think it should be smarter : ) that is I think we should have a nice continous-testing env that runs the tests whenever code changes, and then there is a window that shows the failing tests if any (this may exist, I have no idea)
21:18 tome jdoe: I'm going to try something now as well, will let you know in a few min if I can repro it
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21:21 tome bowtie: if terminal gives better output than padre for running perl tests, we should probably think about that :D
21:21 tome jdoe: Reproduced your issue!
21:21 tome thanks SO much for reporting it
21:22 tome my perlbrew was picking up something... not sure what yet, but I was able to repro with a new clean setup
21:23 bowtie tome, I have banged this drum before to no avail, Mark is the one to ask, me thinks :)
21:23 tome Mark? Why
21:23 tome just curious
21:24 bowtie is this not an wx issue
21:31 tome bowtie: oops I think we're not talking about the same thing. Which issue do you mean?
21:32 jdoe tome: cool, what was it? I was sure that was fixed in 5.14.1
21:33 tome jdoe: I'm just downloading the patched perlbrew perlpatch, trying to get that to work
21:37 Hyppolit svn: r15252 | bowtie++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15252
21:37 Hyppolit added remove missing to history clean
21:37 Hyppolit tweak to adjust
21:37 Hyppolit lots of spelling typos to
21:37 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-Cookbook/lib/Padre/Plugin/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Cookbook/lib/​Padre/Plugin/Cookbook/Recipe04/
21:53 Hyppolit # 1280 :  Padre::Logger (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/1280 ]
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22:27 Hyppolit # 1280 :  Padre::Logger (new defect) by bowtie  [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1280#comment:1 ]
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23:48 waxhead morning
23:55 tome gmorn
23:59 waxhead tome, having a win iwth the MAc stuff?

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