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02:11 Hyppolit svn: r15539 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15539
02:11 Hyppolit Adding experimental feature for the rest of the GUI to inherit the colour scheme from the editor
02:11 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/ trunk/Padre/t/
02:26 Hyppolit svn: r15540 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15540
02:26 Hyppolit Don't blank the output when typing
02:26 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
02:50 Hyppolit svn: r15541 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15541
02:50 Hyppolit - Added experimental config setting feature_style_gui to allow major GUI
02:50 Hyppolit tools such as the function list and directory tree to inherit their
02:50 Hyppolit foreground and background colouring from the active editor style (ADAMK)
02:50 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
02:56 Hyppolit svn: r15542 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15542
02:56 Hyppolit Added Padre::Document::Perl->ppi_dump for quick access to the PPI::Dumper dump of the current document
02:56 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Document/
03:12 Hyppolit svn: r15543 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15543
03:12 Hyppolit Update the messages.pot file
03:12 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/share/locale/
03:28 Hyppolit svn: r15544 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15544
03:28 Hyppolit - Replaced Dump... menu in the Developer Plugin with a more general Dump
03:28 Hyppolit Expression tool so you can explore the internals of Padre incrementally
03:28 Hyppolit instead of selecting a menu every time (ADAMK)
03:28 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Document/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Plugin/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/FBP/
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04:13 Hyppolit svn: r15545 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15545
04:13 Hyppolit Missing use Padre::Feature
04:13 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
04:20 Hyppolit svn: r15546 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15546
04:20 Hyppolit Add missing copyright
04:20 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
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05:21 Hyppolit svn: r15547 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15547
05:21 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/
05:42 Hyppolit svn: r15548 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15548
05:42 Hyppolit Don't instantiate a config object for the project unless it has a padre.yml file
05:42 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/
05:42 Hyppolit svn: r15549 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15549
05:42 Hyppolit The expression tool now shuts down with the plugin correctly
05:42 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Plugin/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
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07:06 azawawi good morning #padre
07:12 Hyppolit svn: r15550 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15550
07:12 Hyppolit Update the messages.pot file
07:12 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/share/locale/
07:19 Hyppolit svn: r15551 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15551
07:19 Hyppolit Added variable interpolation for here-docs (KHMAN++) and Bumped version to 0.21_07
07:19 Hyppolit trunk/Wx-Scintilla/ trunk/Wx-Scintilla/lib/Wx/ trunk/Wx-Scintilla/share/ trunk/Wx-Scintilla/wx-scintilla/src/scintilla/src/
07:20 Hyppolit svn: r15552 | submersible_toaster++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15552
07:21 Hyppolit fluff ~ mostly trace
07:21 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-Swarm/lib/Padre/Plugin/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Swarm/lib/Padre/Plugin/Swarm/
07:26 Hyppolit svn: r15553 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15553
07:26 Hyppolit Added support for feature_style_gui
07:26 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
07:26 azawawi Alias: ping
07:27 Alias yo
07:27 Alias One problem with variable interpolation
07:27 azawawi Alias: how r u? i just  a gotcha to executing XSLoader stuff with different versions under syntax check
07:27 Alias It uses the same background colour as the smart highlight
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07:28 azawawi Alias: no problem... will fix it :)
07:28 Alias It might be a good candidate for keeping the same colour and using bold or italic
07:28 Alias Probably bold?
07:28 Alias Would be relatively subtle
07:28 azawawi Alias: see ... Wx-Scintilla/share/perl_editor.pl
07:28 Alias Executing XSLoader stuff with different versions?
07:28 azawawi Alias: 5-bits are normally for styles (0..31)
07:28 azawawi Alias: 3 bits is reserved to indicators
07:29 Alias Actually, can this wait a bit
07:29 Alias I'm going to grab food and head home first before tackling anything
07:29 Alias back in 20
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07:40 Hyppolit svn: r15554 | submersible_toaster++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15554
07:40 Hyppolit stil broken - now with segfaults
07:40 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-Swarm/lib/Padre/Plugin/Swarm/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Swarm/lib/​Padre/Plugin/Swarm/Transport/
07:46 dolmen Alias: I just had implemented a more useful %INC dump (that included $VERSION) and you dropped it.
07:54 dolmen Alias: It could have help me to find the cause of http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/1299
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08:03 Alias Righto, go
08:05 Hyppolit # 1299 :  Space bar launches word completion instead of inserting a space (new defect) by dolmen  [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1299#comment:2 ]
08:05 Alias dolmen, ping?
08:06 dolmen Alias: pong
08:06 Alias I'm not sure we needed to break translation when adding those ...
08:07 azawawi Alias: im trying to stop win7 from displaying the stupid segfault dialog... so far unsuccessful...
08:07 Alias azawawi, from the perspective of translating to Right-to-Left language is Wx::gettext("Foo...") identical to Wx::gettext("Foo") . '...'
08:08 Alias oh, that
08:08 Alias Could you just prevent the segfault?
08:08 azawawi Alias: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/oldnewthi​ng/archive/2004/07/27/198410.aspx
08:08 azawawi Alias: but somehow it fails
08:09 azawawi Alias: and win7 has a cool function for threads
08:09 azawawi Alias: SetErrorMode -> per process and gives it to child processes...
08:10 dolmen Alias: Is there a tool that could have helped me (will help me) me to replace the original labels in the existing translations?
08:11 azawawi dolmen: POEdit?
08:11 Alias azawawi, do you have an answer for the gettext question?
08:12 azawawi Alias: RTL is bad when mixing numbers + text
08:12 Alias It's not numbers
08:12 Alias It's Foo...
08:12 dolmen azawawi: there is tens of english labels to fix, that have of course impact on translation
08:12 azawawi Alias: it should work
08:12 Alias Or in a label Foo:
08:12 azawawi Alias: yeah works
08:12 dolmen azawawi: manual fix is not an option
08:13 Alias ok, so the preference then is Wx::gettext("Foo") . '...'
08:13 Alias Or Wx::gettext("Foo") . ':'
08:13 Alias ?
08:13 Alias That way the translator doesn't need to "translate" ... all the time
08:13 azawawi i use it all the time
08:13 azawawi it works
08:13 dolmen Alias: do you think that would work for RTL languages ?
08:13 Alias ok
08:14 Alias dolmen: azawawi is from the middle easy, if he says it works it works
08:14 Alias middle east
08:15 dolmen But does '...' have a meaning in chineese or japaneese ?
08:15 Alias I don't know, switch to Chinese and see what they translate the existing ones to
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08:17 Alias Chinese uses ...
08:17 Alias The same way
08:17 Alias So we should really go through and move all of the existing ... outside of the translations
08:17 azawawi Alias: let me double check it... :)
08:17 dolmen I will do
08:18 Alias I might go change the FBP::Perl codegen to do the same
08:18 dolmen Alias: this will not fix the missing '&' in menu labels, buttons and static texts
08:19 arjanc Hi, I asked this yesterday, but there were not many people around: Hi, I haven't been using Padre for some time, because my newlines disappeared. Today I tried again, and although I have the latest version 0.88 and the latest Wx, my newlines dissappear on save, just like the last time. Which is quite some versions earlier. I could not find any ticket on this.
08:19 azawawi Alias: confirmed. works with ... and :
08:19 Alias dolmen: Correct, this won't fix the &
08:20 Alias Those ones need to be broken as you originally were
08:20 azawawi Alias: the thing is... if the editor is not RTL, it will appear wrong a bit
08:20 azawawi Alias: RTL has really some nasty cases
08:20 Alias I know
08:20 Alias But does it go RTL?
08:20 azawawi Alias: and even editing RTL stuff is somewhat nasty
08:21 azawawi Alias: yup 100%
08:29 dolmen Alias: "as you originally were": what do you mean?
08:30 Alias Adding in the & and breaking translation
08:30 dolmen Do you mean that they must stay broken?
08:30 Alias Well, you added & and broke translations
08:30 Alias And, you added ... and broke translation
08:31 Alias So we move the ... out and fix those translations
08:31 Alias And we keep doing & and keep breaking those ones
08:33 dolmen So you would prefer that I revert until I have a patch including translations fixes?
08:34 Alias Nope, apply it
08:34 Alias We don't slow down for translators
08:34 Alias Trunk moves forwards to the future, as fast as we can push it
08:36 azawawi it is not a big deal as there are tools to do fuzzy translations...
08:37 Alias Yup
08:38 azawawi Alias: i just found out that we're launching two syntax checker threads... when you open 'last' file in a new Padre session
08:39 azawawi Alias: does not make sense, right?
08:39 Alias It actually might
08:39 Alias But I've been thinking of adding some support to the task manager for task classes that only run one at a time
08:40 Alias So at least the second call would wait in the queue
08:45 Alias I can investigate if you like?
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09:27 dolmen Alias: note that most menu labels that needed '...' had it before my changes. For example: Open/Save/Close session..., Go to bookmark...
09:28 dolmen Alias: most missing ... were in Tools menu
09:28 dolmen Alias: http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15463
09:29 Alias Yup
09:31 * dolmen dreams of a Coccinelle-like tool for updating translated strings...
09:31 dolmen http://coccinelle.lip6.fr/
09:31 dolmen semantic patches
09:47 dolmen I think it would be doable a better msgmerge tool if it could be aware of history steps changes (svn diff of messages.pot)
09:48 dolmen s/doable/doable to make/
09:50 Hyppolit svn: r15555 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15555
09:50 Hyppolit Updates release date for 0.21_07 cpan release
09:50 Hyppolit trunk/Wx-Scintilla/
09:53 Alias Somewhat annoying bit now is the need to move all the ... OUT of existing translations
09:53 Alias We can do that after 0.90 though, since we're going some other large breaky things between 0.90 and 0.92
09:57 * dolmen reads http://developer.gnome.org/hi​g-book/3.0/menus-design.html and realize that some '...' he added should be reverted
09:58 dolmen I don't think that we should move '...' out of ranslation. They are a good help for translators to find out where this string is displayed.
10:00 azawawi cpanm http://cpan.metacpan.org/authors/id/A/​AZ/AZAWAWI/Wx-Scintilla-0.21_07.tar.gz
10:00 azawawi # contains an updated variable interpolation Perl lexer
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10:01 bowtie Alias, using '...' to indicated a dialog gets my vote :)
10:01 Alias bowtie: I'm pretty sure it's standard practice
10:02 Alias dolmen: If you split out ... then it can share translations with things that don't have ...
10:04 bowtie Alias, so is it now going to be standard practice in Padre
10:05 Alias Who the hell knows
10:06 bowtie Alias, you do, O wise one :)
10:08 Hyppolit # 1282 :  Wx::Scintilla v0.21_02 and TABS (closed defect) by azawawi  [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1282#comment:6 ]
10:08 dolmen Alias: but translations should not be shared for good quality translation: the same english word in different contexts may not be translated the same in other languages. Also menu labels contains shortcuts that could have conflicts, and the translator has to check shortcut when translating, and he may want to use different shortcut depending on the other widgets in the context.
10:08 azawawi bowtie: please check it out #1282 and confirm if it is still the case or not
10:08 Hyppolit # 1282 :  Wx::Scintilla v0.21_02 and TABS (closed defect) by azawawi  [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1282#comment:6 ]
10:08 Alias point
10:09 azawawi Alias: I see no blockers for Wx::Scintilla 0.21_07 to become 0.22 stable. Anyone disagree?
10:09 Alias Looks good
10:10 Alias Well, except that the entire test suite segfaults
10:11 azawawi Alias: ?
10:11 bowtie azawawi, see #1300
10:11 Hyppolit # 1300 :  Tabs are all confused (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/1300 ]
10:11 azawawi Alias: ./Build realclean
10:11 azawawi Alias: remember the XSLoader has a version that is not the same as installed...
10:13 bowtie back soon
10:14 dolmen bowtie: I discovered in the Gnome HIG (see link above) that some menu entries that lead to a dialog do not need '...'
10:15 Alias In that case, we should definitely split it out
10:15 Alias If some platforms will want to show or not show ... differently to others
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10:19 zenog hi guys
10:19 zenog one comment about the ellipsis thing, the "..." in the menu entries.
10:20 zenog If the menu item obviously says it will open a certain window (e.g. "Plugin Manager"), then "..." is not used, at least in most IG out there.
10:21 zenog "..." should be used if there will be a dialog before the goal/action stated in the menu entry can be accomplished.
10:21 dolmen azawawi: I just installed Wx::Scintilla (did not have before). Closing a tab by clicking on the [x] was working just before but do not work anymore.
10:22 Alias zenog: Ah, thanks
10:22 zenog This means: "Open ...", "Print ...", but _not_ "Help ...", "About ...", "Plugin Manager ...", etc.
10:22 Hyppolit svn: r15556 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15556
10:22 Hyppolit Added blog post "Padre is starting to smell a little bit like 1.0" Alias++
10:22 Hyppolit trunk/template.padre.perlide.org/data/
10:22 zenog Of course, there may be corner cases ... it is not always that clear.
10:23 dolmen zenog: yes I discovered that. I'm sorry. If someone want to revert the '...' I added in menus Tools and Help, do it. If not, I will do it this evening (UTF+2)
10:24 Alias dolmen: I think we'll leave it to you :)
10:24 zenog dolmen: No problem, that's why we have a version control system ... ;-)
10:24 zenog ah, here is for example a link to the GNOME Human Interface Guidelines: http://developer.gnome.org/hi​g-book/3.0/menus-design.html
10:25 dolmen zenog: yes, that's the link I posted above
10:25 zenog From what I know, there are similar 'rules' on the other platforms.
10:25 zenog dolmen: Oh sorry, did not see that.
10:26 zenog If it is complicated to have "..." outside of the translatable strings, I would leave them in.
10:27 zenog As long as the '...' things are not changed every two weeks, it is no additional trouble for translators.
10:43 Alias Why is it complicated?
10:44 waxhead OK.. any objections to a branch tonight
10:45 Alias We fix the ... first
10:45 Alias I'll do it
10:45 waxhead ok
10:46 waxhead tests pass.. now testing with RELEASE_TESTING=1
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10:48 Hyppolit svn: r15557 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15557
10:48 Hyppolit Removing superfluous ...
10:48 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
10:50 zenog Alias: Does it work for Hebrew and Arabic?
10:51 Alias Yes
10:52 azawawi Alias: the question mark are among the things that need to be handled in Arabic...
10:53 azawawi Alias: basically every symbol that is look to the left by default will look weird in Arabic
10:53 azawawi Alias: s/look/looking/
10:53 Hyppolit svn: r15558 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15558
10:53 Hyppolit Bumping version to 0.90 so waxhead can branch for release. Do so now please. :)
10:53 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Browser/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Config/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/DB/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Document/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Document/Perl/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Document/Perl/QuickFix/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/File/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/PPI/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Plugin/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Plugin/PopularityContest/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Project/ tr
10:53 Alias azawawi: So what does arabic do?
10:54 waxhead Alias, just going to tuck a child in for bed and I'll be back
10:54 azawawi Alias: you need to convert it yourself...
10:54 azawawi Alias: if you're translating stuff
10:54 Alias But what does it become?
10:54 Alias Some other character pair? An "arabic question mark" or some kind?
10:54 azawawi Alias: yup
10:55 Alias مثل هذا؟
10:55 azawawi yup
10:55 Alias And who says auto-translation isn't useful
10:55 azawawi google translate does that automatically
10:55 Alias I meant the content
10:56 Alias Then again...
10:56 Alias مدير البرنامج المساعد
10:56 Alias That looks a bit too long to be valid
10:56 azawawi actually yes
10:56 waxhead Hmm.... someone has added a blockers check to the extended tests!
10:56 waxhead nice :)
10:56 waxhead funny..
10:56 waxhead too
10:56 Alias We probably should check that blocker
10:56 Alias Just in case
10:56 azawawi plugin = البرنامج المساعد
10:57 azawawi or
10:57 azawawi plugin = البريمج
10:57 waxhead I'm not seeing it with the canned query...
10:57 azawawi if i want to write in classical arabic #2
10:57 Hyppolit # 2 :  Improve search (closed enhancement) by claudio  [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/2#comment:4 ]
10:58 Alias "Classical"?
10:58 azawawi basically spoken and classical are too different things
10:58 Alias But they use the same character set?
10:58 azawawi slang vs original language
10:58 azawawi same character set
10:58 Alias man
10:58 Alias Even more annoying than Japanese
10:58 Alias At least they keep spoken and written separate
10:58 azawawi but slang is starting to integrate english into it...
10:58 Alias oh wait, chinese
10:59 Alias What version of arabic would we want to use
10:59 azawawi Alias: if you write in arabic, you can speak it easily...
10:59 azawawi Alias: it is the same
10:59 azawawi Alias: not like japanese
10:59 Alias So would spoken vs classical be the different between sounding familiar or formal?
10:59 azawawi aha true
11:00 Alias Using french-heavy political english vs germanic-heavy street english
11:00 Alias What one do we want to use?
11:01 Alias I still totally think we should use two layers of translation
11:01 azawawi http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_Arabic
11:01 azawawi classical... no need to support slang...
11:01 azawawi since it is readable by all
11:01 Alias I assume classical means more countries can read it right?
11:01 Alias So Google translated to slang?
11:02 Alias So when we describe arabic in arabic, should we use (الفصحى‎)
11:02 Alias (الفصحى‎)
11:02 azawawi Google translates to classical
11:03 azawawi just say Arabic, everybody understands that...
11:03 Alias ok
11:03 azawawi basically Qur'an is written in Classical Arabic
11:03 azawawi hence everybody understands it
11:04 Alias yup
11:04 Alias Funny that the complete opposite is true for english
11:05 zenog Question marks should be in the string. E.g. in Spanish you have also other kinds of question marks.
11:05 azawawi there is also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabic_chat_alphabet :)
11:05 Alias azawawi, now THERE is a case for auto-translate
11:05 zenog Numbers should also be in strings, because there are many languages with more than just singular/plural.
11:05 azawawi Alias: Arabizi ...
11:06 Hyppolit svn: r15559 | waxhead++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15559
11:06 Hyppolit make the test actually work when there are no outstanding blockers
11:06 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/xt/
11:06 Alias I keep meaning to write an autotranslator for American English
11:06 azawawi zenog: arabic = singular, dual, and plural
11:06 Alias If we're going to incorporate numbers, then at some point we need to resort to maketext
11:07 zenog azawawi: For instance. Also, some Slavic languages.
11:07 azawawi المبرمج، المبرمجان، المبرمجون
11:07 zenog Alias: What is maketext?
11:07 azawawi i.e. programmer, 2 programmers, programmers
11:08 waxhead good to see the syntax highlighting is working again
11:08 Alias http://search.cpan.org/~toddr/Locale-​Maketext-1.19/lib/Locale/Maketext.pod
11:08 zenog Numbers can be handled with gettext.
11:08 Alias I've hoped to avoid maketext though, it's big and heavy
11:08 waxhead have we fixed the extra CRLF problem too??
11:08 azawawi xt/blockers.t ...................... 1/2  failure...
11:08 waxhead I'll try it out once I've build padre again
11:09 waxhead azawawi, just fixed it
11:09 zenog Alias: Does it solve anything being gettext, while being as reliable?
11:09 waxhead azawawi, svn update
11:09 Alias zenog: It does variability for you
11:09 azawawi waxhead: cool, thx
11:10 azawawi Alias: the comma is also another example,  (, => ،)
11:10 * Alias greps for join ', '
11:10 azawawi Alias: sometimes we need also to convert Arabic 0-9 to hindi style because some countries want that (like KSA)
11:10 Alias hrm
11:10 Alias That could be tougher
11:11 azawawi decimal point is also converted into a comma in hindi number system
11:11 azawawi ... :)
11:11 Alias "[quant,_1,file,files,No files] matched your query.\n"
11:11 Alias That's the kind of stuff maketext does
11:12 Alias So when you translate, you can incorporate plurality directly in the translation
11:12 Hyppolit svn: r15560 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15560
11:12 Hyppolit Update the messages.pot file
11:12 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/share/locale/
11:12 azawawi yup btw i 'was' the Arabic kde translator (before joining in this project)
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11:13 Alias hrm
11:13 waxhead ZOMG!!! we have squiggles???
11:13 submersible_temper did someone say segfaults
11:13 Alias submersible: perl Build realclean
11:13 Alias Apparently
11:14 Alias If you're talking about Wx::Scintilla
11:14 waxhead I'm waiting for this release testing run to finish...
11:14 waxhead I so want to see the squiggles!
11:14 waxhead argh!
11:14 azawawi Alias: i tried the SetErrorMode(...) to hide segfault (drwatson) dialog on win32... Did not work on win7...
11:14 waxhead EOL in the FBP stuff
11:15 waxhead Alias, didn't you perltidy before committing?
11:15 azawawi Alias: i think part of it that we're launching cmd.exe /C perl -c ...
11:15 Alias waxhead: I refuse to perltidy until someone integrates it into Padre so it's automatic
11:15 waxhead fine then I'll do it, but I get undue credit for it!
11:16 waxhead Alias, the FBP stuff would be mostly yours anyway wouldn't it?
11:16 Alias yep
11:16 azawawi hehe... i used to be the master-perl-tidy-undue-credit-commit guy :)
11:18 azawawi which reminds me, ohloh says i got 3490 padre commits so far... ::)
11:18 azawawi and 3984 total commits
11:18 waxhead Alias, so tidy the project and get the kudos for it.. :)
11:18 Alias Not till Padre does it for me
11:18 Alias I refuse on principle
11:19 waxhead last chance...
11:19 waxhead OK I'll do it..
11:19 waxhead I might actually get a RELEASE_TESTING to pass.. :)
11:19 azawawi Alias: i loathe 'cpan .' long time on win32
11:20 azawawi Alias: i wonder if we are doing *too much* there in make stage
11:21 Alias I know what's wrong
11:21 Alias It's to do with M:I:Share's install_share
11:21 Alias I'm working on it
11:22 azawawi perl -... cp # a process to copy...
11:22 azawawi a process to copy a file, make a directory, etc  is gonna be slow
11:22 azawawi at least on win32
11:22 waxhead so squiggles are only on Wx::Scintilla?
11:22 azawawi waxhead: nop
11:23 waxhead just checking
11:24 azawawi waxhead: if you install Wx::Scintilla, you get the free "$foo @bar"  highlighting... :)
11:24 waxhead azawawi, I have Wx::Scintilla installed, 0.20, but it's turned off just for now testing the syntax highlighting issue from last night
11:25 waxhead azawawi,  great job getting it all sorted out too BTW!
11:25 azawawi waxhead: please test http://cpan.metacpan.org/authors/id/A/​AZ/AZAWAWI/Wx-Scintilla-0.21_07.tar.gz
11:25 azawawi waxhead: that's going to be the next stable 0.22
11:25 waxhead do I pip that one?
11:25 azawawi pip/cpanm it
11:25 waxhead haven't installed cpanm
11:26 azawawi i still need to work on Wx::Scintilla::Manual
11:27 azawawi and finish the perl6 lexer
11:27 Alias azawawi, install_share uses makefile fragments
11:27 azawawi zenog: next scintilla is going to contain an updated LaTeX lexer
11:27 Alias azawawi, I need to switch it to pm_to_blib or similar
11:27 waxhead azawawi, installing.. actually building it at the moment
11:28 waxhead while all the tests on Padre are running..
11:28 waxhead laptop is getting warm...
11:28 zenog waxhead: current trunk passes with RELEASE_TESTING=1 and AUTOMATED_TESTING=1 on Ubuntu 10.04
11:29 waxhead zenog, really?
11:29 waxhead it's failing here...
11:29 waxhead I'm getting an EOL line ending error
11:29 waxhead mostly for the FBP stuff
11:29 zenog waxhead: One strange thing I just notices - the xt/ tests were not run ...
11:30 zenog waxhead: Did I do something wrong with the environment variables?
11:30 waxhead zenog, it's the xt tests that are failing..
11:30 waxhead export RELEASE_TESTING=1
11:30 azawawi zenog: RELEASE_TESTING=1 cpan .
11:30 waxhead echo $RELEASE_TESTING
11:30 azawawi unset RELEASE_TESTING :)
11:30 waxhead cpan ??? really?
11:31 waxhead I just svn update and then perl Makefile.PL make && make test
11:31 azawawi waxhead: that will run 'make install'...
11:32 waxhead the cpan command?
11:32 azawawi waxhead: 'cpan .'
11:32 waxhead oh..
11:32 waxhead I don't want to install it though
11:32 waxhead I make test and then just run dev
11:32 zenog hm, I did the export thing, but it did not run any of the tests in xt/
11:33 submersible_temper waxhead:  have u branched already ?
11:33 Alias When he does, you'll see it
11:33 Alias Wait for the version to go odd
11:34 waxhead submersible_temper, nope..
11:34 waxhead fixing things where tests are failing...
11:34 waxhead just small things..
11:34 waxhead taking me a bit to get done..
11:35 waxhead azawawi, failed to install that Wx::Scintilla...
11:35 Alias perl Build realclean
11:35 Alias You can't do an svn update and rebuild
11:37 zenog waxhead: ah, had to do a "make clean" before etc. and do everything from scratch, no it runs the xt/ tests as well
11:37 waxhead doesn't perl Makefile.PL "reset" everything?
11:39 waxhead zenog, did it pass for you?
11:39 Alias waxhead: Not necesarily
11:39 waxhead ok..
11:39 Alias realclean
11:39 azawawi waxhead: any log?
11:41 shadowpaste "waxhead" at 217.168.150.38 pasted "scintilla for azawawi" (475 lines) at http://paste.scsys.co.uk/133523
11:41 zenog waxhead: still running
11:43 Alias waxhead: That shouldn't prevent releasing
11:44 waxhead Alias, no it won't...
11:44 waxhead I'm usually selective of failing tests in the xt directory
11:44 waxhead as long as all tests in t pass
11:44 waxhead just going for 100% tonight that's all
11:44 waxhead are there queued changes waiting on me?
11:45 waxhead the only failing test appears to be the eol one now
11:45 waxhead nearly done here...
11:46 waxhead F$%#! OK.. I'm over it.. I'll leave it for another time to check in to it...
11:46 Alias yup
11:49 zenog waxhead: 2/64 test programs. 47/7213 subtests failed.
11:50 zenog xt/actiontest.t          (Wstat: 0 Tests: 118 Failed: 0) Parse errors: Plan (1..118) must be at the beginning or end of the TAP output
11:50 Hyppolit svn: r15561 | waxhead++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15561
11:50 Hyppolit Perl tidy of the project that Alias++ wouldnt do... fixes  up a number of the files previously picked up, but a few slipped through... something to check some other time
11:50 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Config/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/DB/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Document/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Document/Perl/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Plugin/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Role/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Task/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/Wizard/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/Wizard/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/Wizard/Per
11:53 shadowpaste "waxhead" at 217.168.150.38 pasted "Alias can you check this" (29 lines) at http://paste.scsys.co.uk/133525
11:53 waxhead Alias, that paste, can you check it.. it's the generated FBP files that fail the EOL check... they are all CRLF as opposed to Unix EOL which is what the project as a whole uses.
11:53 Alias yeah, sory
11:54 Alias We need to set the svn eol property to native or something
11:54 waxhead I thought that perl tidy would fix that...
11:54 waxhead but it didn't
11:55 Hyppolit svn: r15562 | waxhead++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15562
11:55 Hyppolit Branching trunk for the 0.90 release
11:55 Hyppolit branches/
11:56 Hyppolit svn: r15563 | waxhead++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15563
11:56 Hyppolit Setting up changes for the next round of Development
11:56 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/
11:56 waxhead OK... branched...
11:57 waxhead go crazy...
11:57 waxhead man, I'm digging this "girl talk" DJ...
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11:59 waxhead hey bowtie
11:59 bowtie Alias, the perl tidy plugin has been modified, so all contributes who use it from dev -a will also use same perltidyrc from trunk/tools
11:59 bowtie waxhead, he he
12:00 bowtie waxhead, just reading the backlog, give me 10
12:06 azawawi waxhead: ExtUtils::XSpp version please?
12:07 waxhead sigh.. what's the one line to print out the version?
12:08 waxhead it's ok..
12:08 waxhead wrong quotes in the shell
12:08 waxhead 0.1601
12:09 azawawi upgrade to latest please and try again
12:09 azawawi cpanm ExtUtils::XSpp
12:10 waxhead azawawi, just did...
12:10 waxhead once I saw your question I figured there might be an more recent version
12:10 waxhead trying it again
12:11 waxhead maybe add the minimum version to the Makefile.PL?
12:11 azawawi sure if it is the problem
12:12 azawawi 0.1601   March 12th 2011
12:12 Hyppolit svn: r15564 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15564
12:12 Hyppolit Version bump to 0.91
12:12 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Browser/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Config/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/DB/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Document/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Document/Perl/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Document/Perl/QuickFix/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/File/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/PPI/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Plugin/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Plugin/PopularityContest/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Project/ trunk/Padre/lib
12:12 bowtie azawawi, did you have any joy with #1300
12:12 Hyppolit # 1300 :  Tabs are all confused (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/1300 ]
12:12 waxhead oh.. forgot to set the version..
12:12 bowtie Alias, what's your thought on #1300
12:12 Hyppolit # 1300 :  Tabs are all confused (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/1300 ]
12:13 waxhead man, there's always something I forget to do!
12:13 azawawi hehe what is it? :)
12:16 azawawi waxhead: please let me know if it works for you or not over email.
12:16 azawawi waxhead: i need to go home now
12:17 azawawi waxhead: thanks for your time :)
12:17 * azawawi home &
12:17 waxhead azawawi,  OK.. looks like it's the same thing
12:17 azawawi aha
12:18 Hyppolit svn: r15565 | submersible_toaster++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15565
12:18 Hyppolit rename tests  ,remove some more fluff
12:18 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-Swarm/lib/Padre/Plugin/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Swarm/lib/​Padre/Plugin/Swarm/Transport/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Swarm/t/
12:19 Alias What the fuck
12:19 waxhead wasn't me!
12:19 waxhead was it?
12:19 Alias Who the hell ruined my image optimisation hack by tacking the code it was replacing back on the end of it
12:20 Alias There goes 3meg of ram
12:20 waxhead well that wasn't me
12:20 Alias # Load all the image handlers that we support by default in Padre.
12:20 Alias # Don't load all of them with Wx::InitAllImageHandlers, it wastes memory.
12:20 Alias Wx::Image::AddHandler( Wx::PNGHandler->new );
12:20 Alias Wx::Image::AddHandler( Wx::ICOHandler->new );
12:20 Alias Wx::InitAllImageHandlers();
12:20 * Alias fumes
12:21 waxhead want to fix it and re-branch?
12:21 Alias no
12:21 Alias It's just memory
12:21 Alias Not worth it
12:22 Alias Lets just get 0.90 out the door
12:22 waxhead two days for the translators to do their thing...
12:22 waxhead or do you want it out sooner?
12:23 Alias oh, hrm
12:23 Alias Well it's true that 0.90 could be the most stable release for a little while
12:23 Alias So lets give them the time I guess
12:24 waxhead that was my thinking..
12:24 waxhead 2 days is all I'll give it..
12:24 waxhead it won't be so protracted as last time..
12:25 waxhead ok, to bed..
12:25 waxhead night
12:31 Hyppolit svn: r15566 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15566
12:31 Hyppolit Remove the init all handlers
12:31 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/
12:46 * Alias turns on the new constants
13:03 Hyppolit svn: r15567 | submersible_toaster++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15567
13:03 Hyppolit more trace . add geometry to each universe. userlist working again
13:03 Hyppolit global still borked for bi-directional ???
13:03 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-Swarm/lib/Padre/Plugin/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Swarm/lib/Padre/Plugin/Swarm/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Swarm/l​ib/Padre/Plugin/Swarm/Wx/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Swarm/lib/Padre/Swarm/
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13:34 Hyppolit svn: r15568 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15568
13:34 Hyppolit Enable Wx API2
13:34 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/
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13:46 zenog ... sent another translator-motivation e-mail to the list ...
13:53 Hyppolit svn: r15569 | zenogantner++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15569
13:53 Hyppolit fix 'About...' to 'About'
13:53 Hyppolit branches/Padre-0.90/lib/Padre/Wx/
14:18 bowtie somebody was talking about 'padre.yml' in projects, don't forget this is the ******* brother of 'padre.yaml', I trust padre.yaml is supported :)
14:49 Alias Not right now
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14:55 bowtie Alias, are you going to add an ellipsis ("...") to Padre-Plugin-FormBuilder?
14:55 Alias Nope, because it doesn't need one
14:55 Alias The menu command launches the form builder, exactly as it says
14:57 bowtie Alias, but as you have to make selections before you can run it, dose it not fall in to the category where it applies, unlike P-P-PerlCritic which just runs
14:58 Alias Nope
14:58 bowtie Alias, you rebel
14:58 Alias It doesn't build it, it's the BuildER
14:58 Alias Like XXX Manager doesn't need ..
14:59 bowtie Alias, have you open Plugin Manager with out any files opened, It gets quit confused
14:59 Alias oh rly, no I haven't
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15:00 bowtie Alias, #1300, is not reading user config, for TAB values, found it with your new tool :)
15:00 Hyppolit # 1300 :  Tabs are all confused (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/1300 ]
15:01 Alias Yep, known problem
15:01 Alias I'm working on it
15:02 bowtie Alias, I am looking for vcs, value for a file, where do i look?
15:03 Alias BTW, I saw in patch you implemented diff
15:03 Alias I wouldn't bother, tbh
15:03 Alias That's a standard feature of most vcs plugins
15:03 Alias And clean patch application is the key missing feature, not the production of the patch files
15:03 bowtie Alias, Q tbh
15:04 Alias Q?
15:04 bowtie tbh ?
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15:06 bowtie Alias, tbh?
15:06 Alias oooh
15:06 Alias To Be Honest
15:06 bowtie Alias, thanks
15:08 bowtie Alias, it is pretty difficult to test a patch, if you don't have one, hence I need to diff so I can Patch :)
15:08 Alias ah
15:08 Alias Just svn diff on the command line :)
15:10 bowtie Alias, but then you have to do some thing with it, don't forget, that the average Padre user could be a beginner or intermediate like me, they won't all be like you :)
15:11 bowtie So being able to work from within padre is good?
15:12 Alias Sure
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15:12 Alias Just be careful not to solve problems that aren't the purpose of the thing you are working on
15:13 Alias Because then there will be two solutions
15:13 Hyppolit svn: r15570 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15570
15:13 Hyppolit Update the messages.pot file
15:13 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/share/locale/
15:13 Alias And since the other one is likely to be the more appropriate place, all your work on that will be thrown away
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15:14 bowtie Alias, how important is it that you would want to diff modified file in editor against saved file?
15:14 zenog kaare: good e-mail, btw. All valid points there.
15:15 zenog kaare: btw, are you interested in translating Padre to the Danish language? ;-)
15:15 Alias Doesn't that work already?
15:15 Alias ohhh... it links to EXTERNAL diff?
15:15 Alias man...
15:15 Alias bowtie: It's certainly something we should have I think
15:15 Alias There's even a menu entry for it already
15:19 bowtie Alias, I know, that's why, I asked,  I am trying to ascertain where this was because working on current file is easy, but needed, ie some dev code that just happened to end up in trunk?
15:19 Alias I think I may have just put menu stubs in at some point
15:19 Alias The main point of diffing current to saved is, I suspect, to prove that diffs work at all :)
15:20 Alias Most diffs will probably be generated via version control
15:20 Alias But the same is not true for patches
15:20 Alias Applying patches is probably rarely going to happen via version control
15:22 bowtie Alias, using the diff to svn lets you see changes, quicker than through trac/browser, in colour
15:22 Hyppolit svn: r15571 | zenogantner++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15571
15:22 Hyppolit [0.90 branch] update German translation
15:22 Hyppolit branches/Padre-0.90/ branches/Padre-0.90/share/locale/
15:25 bowtie kaare, your e-mail, have you viewed the screen casts on web and trac/wiki recently?
15:28 Hyppolit wiki page http://padre.perlide.org/trac/wi​ki/PadrePluginCookbookRecipie05 changed by bowtie
15:29 Hyppolit wiki page http://padre.perlide.org/trac/wi​ki/PadrePluginCookbookRecipie05 changed by bowtie
15:31 Alias Crap
15:31 Alias Fatal bug
15:42 Hyppolit svn: r15572 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15572
15:42 Hyppolit Protect the regex integrity against a bug in specifying the sub name
15:42 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Document/
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15:58 Hyppolit svn: r15573 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15573
15:58 Hyppolit Initial experiment with shortened constant names
15:58 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
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16:46 dolmen bowtie: have a look at this: https://metacpan.org/release/makepatch
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16:47 dolmen bowtie: and the bugs too: https://rt.cpan.org/Public/Dis​t/Display.html?Name=makepatch
16:51 bowtie dolmen, hi, I am not a fan of metacpan, as you can not past code into padre with out errors, as for pure perl solutions, I am using Text::Diff and Text::Patch
16:53 bowtie As I am only looking at single files, in first instance, but will note for future
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17:01 dolmen bowtie: no, I'm suggesting you to have a look at 'makepactch/applypatch' which is something that is on the CPAN
17:01 dolmen bowtie: if you prefer: http://search.cpan.org/~jv/makepatch-2.04/
17:14 bowtie dolmen, is this something you use,
17:16 dolmen bowtie: I used it in the past. To make patches against CPAN releases.
17:16 dolmen Now, I mostly send Github pull request
17:17 bowtie dolmen, but to use in Padre, would this not work better against the project view, rather than in a simple plugin, intended to only work against a single file in the editor?
17:19 dolmen bowtie: don't know. Just suggesting there may be some interesting code there. Don't know much yet about P:P:Patch/
17:19 * dolmen => home
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18:54 Hyppolit # 1301 :  Padre::Plugin::FormBuilder kills Padre on reload :( (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/1301 ]
19:12 Hyppolit svn: r15574 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15574
19:12 Hyppolit Update the messages.pot file
19:12 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/share/locale/
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21:07 Hyppolit svn: r15575 | bowtie++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15575
21:07 Hyppolit just a couple of tiny steps forward
21:07 Hyppolit tidy up dialog
21:07 Hyppolit start to make gui interactive
21:07 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-Patch/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Patch/lib/Padre/Plugin/Patch/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Patch/l​ib/Padre/Plugin/Patch/FBP/
21:11 Hyppolit svn: r15576 | dolmen++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15576
21:11 Hyppolit Update french translation
21:11 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-Autoformat/share/locale/
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21:19 Hyppolit svn: r15577 | dolmen++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15577
21:19 Hyppolit Update french translation
21:19 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-CSS/share/locale/
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21:31 Hyppolit svn: r15578 | dolmen++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15578
21:31 Hyppolit Update french translation
21:31 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-Alarm/share/locale/
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21:46 Hyppolit svn: r15579 | dolmen++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15579
21:46 Hyppolit Add french translation
21:46 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-Autodia/share/locale/
21:53 Hyppolit svn: r15580 | dolmen++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15580
21:53 Hyppolit Update french translation
21:53 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-CommandLine/share/locale/
21:58 Hyppolit svn: r15581 | dolmen++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15581
21:58 Hyppolit Update french translation
21:58 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-REPL/share/locale/
22:05 Hyppolit svn: r15582 | dolmen++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15582
22:05 Hyppolit Update french translation
22:05 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-PerlCritic/share/locale/
22:11 Hyppolit svn: r15583 | dolmen++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15583
22:11 Hyppolit Update french translation
22:11 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-PerlTidy/share/locale/
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22:23 Hyppolit svn: r15584 | dolmen++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15584
22:23 Hyppolit Add french translation
22:23 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-JavaScript/share/locale/
22:29 Hyppolit svn: r15585 | dolmen++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15585
22:29 Hyppolit Add french translation
22:29 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-HTML/share/locale/
22:40 Hyppolit svn: r15586 | dolmen++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15586
22:40 Hyppolit Add french translation
22:40 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-NYTProf/share/locale/
23:08 bowtie Alias, Wx::Choice dose not support tootips, Wx::ComboBox support tooltips, but don't appear to be supported by P-P-FormBuilder, as it is possible to have to files with same name ie main.pm but in diffrent locations in editor, hence tooltip to enable difference to be shown, or other suggestion , thanks
23:09 Hyppolit svn: r15587 | dolmen++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15587
23:09 Hyppolit Update french translation (still much to do)
23:09 Hyppolit branches/Padre-0.90/share/locale/
23:09 bowtie dolmen++
23:10 bowtie night
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23:24 bowtie Alias, disregard last comment, I picked bitmaped by mistake, sorry, getting late, bed

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