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IRC log for #padre, 2011-08-27

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05:15 Hyppolit # 1313 :  Search previous button acts as next (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/1313 ]
05:16 Hyppolit svn: r15813 | submersible_toaster++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15813
05:16 Hyppolit Fix the ordering of destruction for local multicast disconnect.
05:16 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-Swarm/lib/​Padre/Plugin/Swarm/Transport/
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08:39 Hyppolit # 1194 :  PPI Experimental & Skeleton Build (closed defect) by bowtie  [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1194#comment:7 ]
08:52 Hyppolit # 1260 :  fix for :- This violates encapsulation (closed enhancement) by bowtie  [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1260#comment:1 ]
08:53 Hyppolit # 1234 :  Padre::Plugin::My - Not compatible with Padre 0.86 (closed defect) by bowtie  [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1234#comment:2 ]
09:00 Hyppolit # 1247 :  Updated screen shots: come on one & all, join in the fun. (new enhancement) by bowtie  [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1247#comment:1 ]
09:26 Sewi hi bowtie, any progress on the clipboard issue?
09:28 bowtie Sewi, I have loaded Glipper in ubuntu, can you do the same and retest please
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09:30 bowtie Sewi, do you read http://irclog.perlgeek.de/​padre/2011-08-26#i_4328223
09:33 Hyppolit # 1265 :  Padre::Plugin::FormBuilder can't find wxfb.png, have to make install, so as to access png, why as it only works againt trunk!!! (closed defect) by bowtie  [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1265#comment:1 ]
09:33 Hyppolit # 1301 :  Padre::Plugin::FormBuilder kills Padre on reload :( (closed defect) by bowtie  [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1301#comment:2 ]
09:45 Hyppolit svn: r15814 | dolmen++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15814
09:45 Hyppolit Update french translation
09:45 Hyppolit
09:45 Hyppolit greffon -> extension
09:45 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/share/locale/
10:01 Sewi bowtie: thanks
10:02 bowtie Sewi, are you happy yet :)
10:02 Sewi Not really
10:04 bowtie dose using a clipboard manager make copy paste and X middle more predictable?
10:06 Sewi It might be a solution for you and me, but we can't depend Padre on an external ubuntu package.
10:06 Sewi People might not be able to install it for some reason, maybe they already have another one installed.
10:07 Sewi Any finally - we're developers, we fix bugs instead of covering them with other software :-)
10:07 Sewi I didn't get the bug right now on current trunk on by 11.04 desktop.
10:08 Sewi Will try on my working notebook now...
10:08 bowtie Sewi, but did you take daxim's comment into account that KDE has Klipper loaded by default, an Gnome dose NOT
10:09 bowtie I don't think it matters which manager some one uses, hence Gnome leaves it to the user to chose.
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10:21 Sewi bowtie: The difference is, that you don't need to use a manager on gnome at all.
10:22 Sewi And it worked before, without any problems, so why isn't it working in Padre any longer? Even if it's a gnome bug, _we_ need to create a workaround.
10:22 Sewi strange things: Laptop is still broken
10:22 Sewi And none of the two is using any clipboard manager.
10:25 bowtie Sewi, I looked at ubuntu/gnome first as that was common, we need to ask tome about osx as well
10:27 Hyppolit # 1247 :  Updated screen shots: come on one & all, join in the fun. (new enhancement) by bowtie  new attachment [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1247#comment:1 ]
10:28 submersible_toaster cheeky trunk screenshot
10:30 waxhead sheesh.. when things go wrong they really go wrong!
10:30 bowtie submersible_toaster, makes sense to me that we promote our plugins
10:31 waxhead replaced a hard drive in the NAS because it was showing IO errors and now as the raid is rebuilding one of the other drives has thrown an IO error!
10:31 bowtie submersible_toaster, how was the bed time story :)
10:31 waxhead sigh...
10:33 waxhead nice screen shot!
10:33 submersible_toaster bowtie: she runs around like crazy in the afternoon then splat - sleeps
10:33 waxhead submersible_toaster, better than sleeping all afternoon and then running around all night
10:33 submersible_toaster waxhead: same  batch of disks?
10:33 bowtie submersible_toaster, what fun, I remember it well
10:33 waxhead submersible_toaster, yep...
10:34 submersible_toaster waxhead: i sympathi(s|z)e
10:34 waxhead If I pull this off, I suspect I might be rolling a new batch of disks through it...
10:34 Sewi waxhead: All of us know: Don't use same-aged drives in a RAID... but none of us is doing what we know :)
10:34 bowtie mean time to failure, :)
10:34 waxhead these disks aren't more than 6 months old...
10:35 submersible_toaster bowtie: so current swarm trunk only works with evil patches to Padre::Task* . i think u left before i could warn u yesterday.
10:35 waxhead however, that's a good point... but also, you generally stuff all your disks in at once.. bit hard to split them apart... unless you have a few spare to stick in later down the track
10:36 submersible_toaster waxhead: ur vendor should be rotating their batches and stock.
10:36 bowtie submersible_toaster, I read your comment, when you are ready in future I will test with you
10:36 waxhead submersible_toaster, sure... it's a home nas...
10:36 waxhead thecus n4200 and I got the 4 disks at the computer market....
10:36 submersible_toaster bowtie: thanks. i need to get padre stable (working) with bi-directional task stuff first
10:36 waxhead anyway, I have a back of it... which is something...
10:37 waxhead desperating formating a 2 tb drive to copy what I can from the NAS now just in case.. then I have two copies... one a little more recent than the other...
10:37 waxhead god knows what I'll do when the actual data exceeds the storage of one 2tb drive... hope they have 4tb drives by then I guess.. :)
10:38 bowtie submersible_toaster, can you get P-P-Patch from trunk, and confirm that you get obtuse syntax error related to @INC not finding FBP::MainFB please
10:41 submersible_toaster mmm svn.perlide.org up ?
10:42 bowtie snap :(
10:43 submersible_toaster bowtie: what am i testing ?
10:44 bowtie can you download Padre-Plugin-Patch and view Main.pm with syntax turned on
10:44 szabgab I am rebooting the server, I hope it comes back soon :)
10:44 szabgab see you on the other end of the tunel
10:45 bowtie szabgab, thanks for the warning :)
10:47 submersible_toaster bowtie: I think u want to use Padre::Wx::Constants
10:48 submersible_toaster sry afk for a while
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10:54 gabor well, the machine dose not want to come back to life...
10:54 gabor sorry for that, I sent a mail to the support where it is hosted
10:56 gabor I'll let you know once I know more about it
10:57 submersible_toaster gabor - i hope the last 2 .png uploads did not fill a disk and cause havoc :!
11:00 submersible_toaster bowtie: re P-P-Patch and Main.pm - so much weirdness there.
11:01 submersible_toaster since Main::FB is generated by FormBuilder - see that plugin
11:01 bowtie submersible_toaster, It works but syntax checker just gets confused, or i have been a plonker and need a kick :)
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11:08 Hyppolit svn: r15815 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15815
11:08 Hyppolit Moved from feature to incompatibility section :)
11:08 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/
11:11 Sewi Keep the op :)
11:11 Sewi cu later...
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11:14 szabgab Hyppolit: op me
11:15 szabgab Hyppolit: op me
11:16 szabgab it seems the server is back online, it was doing flesystem check
11:16 szabgab and as far as I can see services are being up again
11:34 Hyppolit # 1312 :  Mouse (Ubuntu) Copy Paste X-Clipboard (new defect) by bowtie  [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1312#comment:2 ]
11:37 Hyppolit # 1312 :  Mouse (Ubuntu) Copy Paste X-Clipboard (new defect) by bowtie  [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1312#comment:3 ]
11:40 Hyppolit # 1280 :  Padre::Logger (new defect) by bowtie  [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1280#comment:2 ]
11:41 Hyppolit # 1280 :  Padre::Logger fails when Plugin is reloaded (new defect) by bowtie  [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1280#comment:3 ]
11:45 Alias That Hyppolit server seems to crash a LOT
11:53 submersible_toaster Alias: Q- Should TaskManager be a singleton ? do we ever want more than one ?
12:08 Alias Right now, it's verging on being potentially mandatorily a singleton
12:09 Alias But so far as I can tell, there's no reason why it MUST be a singleton (unlike the Wx::App or Padre.pm)
12:09 Alias So I'm disinclined to make it one
12:09 Alias And I CAN think of potential scenarios (once it's spun out as a standalone CPAN distro) where you might want more than one
12:09 Alias Rare scenarios, certainly
12:10 Alias I'm thinking of moving where it lives though, into the Wx::App
12:10 Alias Along with the action library
12:10 Alias It would mean much quicker access via Wx::TheApp->task_manager
12:11 Alias Or Padre::Current->wx->task_manager, which is really the same thing
12:11 Alias btw, as of now we finally have 100% of products and 99.9997% of customers
12:12 Alias Would have been nicer if it happened BEFORE we ran the first ETL, but oh well
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12:28 bowtie Alias, can you modify P-P-FormBuilder as syntax checker is complaining about Wx::DefaultPosition, can you change  this to Wx::DefaultPosition(),
12:29 bowtie also applies to other Wx:: items
12:30 submersible_toaster Alias: baseline update run yet ?
12:32 Alias Nope
12:32 Alias We had to run ETL before all the data had arrived
12:33 Alias So we're doing another catch-up ETL first thing tomorrow morning, and we'll do it after that.
12:33 Alias bowtie: No, no I can't. Wx::DefaultPosition is correct
12:34 Alias Syntax error lies
12:34 Alias Try installing Padre trunk
12:34 Alias And don't believe everything you see when you run under perl dev -a
12:34 Alias (Which I'm assuming you are)
12:34 bowtie Alias, ok, I am running revision 15813
12:35 bowtie Alias, yes to perl dev -a, I f I don't, how do I test plugins then :)
12:36 Alias Syntax checker will use the system installed Padre
12:36 Alias So any API incompatibilities between trunk and system will show as potential false negatives
12:36 bowtie Alias, as in perl -c
12:36 Alias right
12:36 Alias Try
12:37 Alias perl -c "use Padre::Wx; Wx::DefaultPosition;"
12:37 Alias That will fail
12:37 Alias But perl -Mblib -c "use Padre::Wx; Wx::DefaultPosition" will probably work
12:37 * Alias home
12:37 Alias afk
12:38 bowtie Alias, who do you think you are Donald Rumsfeld :) with all these false negatives :)
12:45 Alias_ Back
12:45 Alias_ I'm a big fan
12:46 Alias His speech on the things that you don't know versus the things that you don't know you don't know was something of a revelation for me
12:46 bowtie Alias, the source of your inspiration :)
12:47 bowtie enough of that, can I use Padre::Project::vcs in a Plugin to get info for all open tabs/files ?
12:49 Hyppolit svn: r15816 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15816
12:49 Hyppolit Removing the details, Task 3.0 is enough
12:49 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/
12:53 Alias ->vcs just tells you WHICH version control system it uses
12:53 Alias For yes
12:53 Alias map { $_->project->vcs } Padre::Current->main->documents
12:53 Alias or something
12:54 bowtie Alias, thanks for the kick :)
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14:27 Hyppolit svn: r15817 | bowtie++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15817
14:27 Hyppolit added vcs support to open file info, Alias++
14:27 Hyppolit manually added trailing () to Wx::obj in dialog
14:27 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-Patch/lib/Padre/Plugin/Patch/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Patch/l​ib/Padre/Plugin/Patch/FBP/
14:28 bowtie Alias, bad news, I got feed up with all the little red squares due to Wx::obj missing trailing (), so I added them manually,
14:30 Hyppolit svn: r15818 | dolmen++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15818
14:30 Hyppolit Add _ more menu shortcuts.
14:30 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
14:30 bowtie now by eyes don't hurt, you do realise this will happen to all devs using P-P-FormBuilder :(
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15:09 Hyppolit svn: r15819 | bowtie++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15819
15:09 Hyppolit svn choice now only shows relevant files
15:09 Hyppolit added Padre::Current to interface
15:09 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-Patch/lib/Padre/Plugin/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Patch/lib/Padre/Plugin/Patch/
15:10 Hyppolit svn: r15820 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15820
15:10 Hyppolit Update the messages.pot file
15:10 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/share/locale/
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17:52 Alias bowtie: You should have just installed PAdre
17:52 Alias And it will only happen to you, because everyone else installs :)
17:54 bowtie Alias, but then I would have to install every Plugin, then change to rw in perl lib, just to check, when I thought -a solved all these problems :)
17:55 Hyppolit svn: r15821 | bowtie++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15821
17:55 Hyppolit a couple of typos
17:55 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-Patch/lib/Padre/Plugin/Patch/
17:57 bowtie Alias, thanks for the kick, P-P-Patch now only shows svn applicable files, what is next to be done to conform ?
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19:05 mib_22rvlu hi guys, trying to run the latest padre perl on os x, but executing my simple script there is no window that pops up, no error message, either. any ideas?
19:09 bowtie mib_22rvlu, look at tools->prefs-> use externel window
19:10 mib_22rvlu that is checked... :(
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19:11 bowtie mib_22rvlu, toggle to other settiing and run your prog
19:12 mib_22rvlu that worked :)
19:12 mib_22rvlu thanks a lot!
19:12 mib_22rvlu it is in a tab below in the same window now
19:12 mib_22rvlu when I checked the box again it still wouldnt show, not sure why
19:12 mib_22rvlu but this will do
19:12 mib_22rvlu thanks a lot!
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20:25 Hyppolit svn: r15822 | dolmen++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15822
20:25 Hyppolit on_right_click => on_context_menu
20:25 Hyppolit
20:25 Hyppolit A first step to go to a clean support of the context menu key (available on
20:25 Hyppolit Windows keyboards) and its alternatives (right click or Shift+F10) in the editor.
20:25 Hyppolit But on GTK at least, EVENT_CONTEXT_MENU does not seem to work in Scintilla. So
20:26 Hyppolit we still use EVENT_RIGHT_CLICK to trigger the menu.
20:26 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Document/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Menu/
21:12 Hyppolit svn: r15823 | bowtie++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15823
21:12 Hyppolit rename method
21:12 Hyppolit start to make more readable
21:12 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-Patch/lib/Padre/Plugin/Patch/
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23:10 Hyppolit svn: r15824 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/15824
23:10 Hyppolit Update the messages.pot file
23:10 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/share/locale/
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23:21 coder4crack hello
23:21 Alias hi
23:21 coder4crack I have been trying for some time to emerge padre
23:22 coder4crack so far I have sorted quite a few problems,
23:22 coder4crack but am now stuck here...
23:22 coder4crack 'WX' is not a known MakeMaker parameter name.                                                                                                                                        Unrecognized argument in LIBS ignored: '-Wl,-O1'
23:23 Alias afk heading to work, back on different nick in 5min
23:23 coder4crack wxperl is a dependency required by padre, but i cannot get it to install. can anyone offer assistance?
23:23 coder4crack please?
23:24 coder4crack is ther anyone who has encountered tis problem?
23:24 Alias btw
23:24 Alias make sure to lurk, big component of devs are in Europe
23:24 Alias Esp the people that know about C compilation of stuff like Wx
23:25 Alias Or maybe send issues to mailing list?
23:26 Alias anyways, back in 5
23:27 coder4crack hello?
23:29 coder4crack anyone her?
23:29 coder4crack here?
23:37 coder4crack hello?

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