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IRC log for #padre, 2011-09-11

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06:54 szabgab El_Che: have you noticed that the background of code on your blog seems to be only partial?
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06:57 azawawi hi
06:57 azawawi good morning #padre
06:57 szabgab gm azawawi
06:58 azawawi http://groups.google.com/group/scintilla-int​erest/browse_thread/thread/5f663756dfb3b4f5   # testing prelease of Scintilla 2.29
06:58 azawawi I failed to mention also that LexPerl.cxx contains 5.14.x support
06:58 azawawi i'll integrate Wx::Scintilla with 2.29 prelease... :)
06:59 azawawi zenog: fyi, there are LaTeX changes in 2.29 prerelease
07:01 szabgab azawawi: you are awesome!
07:02 azawawi actually... it is this one
07:02 azawawi http://groups.google.com/group/scintilla-intere​st/browse_thread/thread/610ae480a4756295/ff9c33​285de0b0ab?lnk=gst&q=2.29#ff9c33285de0b0ab
07:02 azawawi linked the wrong hyperlink
07:05 szabgab that seems to be more relevant :)
07:05 szabgab more perl mentioned .
07:05 szabgab azawawi++
07:06 Hyppolit svn: r16150 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16150
07:06 Hyppolit Require Wx::Scintilla 0.28 to get improved and fixed Annotations API return values
07:06 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/
07:09 azawawi http://www.scintilla.org/ScintillaRelated.html   # Padre and Wx::Scintilla now properly mentioned
07:25 Hyppolit svn: r16151 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16151
07:25 Hyppolit Fixed t/08_style.t. We now have 7 core editor styles with the inclusion of Solarized light sugar++
07:25 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/t/
07:30 Hyppolit svn: r16152 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16152
07:30 Hyppolit Fix number of tests on t/08_style.t. azawawi--
07:30 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/t/
07:40 Hyppolit svn: r16153 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16153
07:40 Hyppolit Added blog post 'Solarized Padre' to Padre about page
07:40 Hyppolit trunk/template.padre.perlide.org/data/
07:40 azawawi szabgab: http://ahmadzawawi.blogspot.co​m/2011/09/solarized-padre.html :)
07:47 Hyppolit svn: r16154 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16154
07:47 Hyppolit Updated to Scintilla 2.29 prerelease and bumped version to 0.29_01
07:47 Hyppolit trunk/Wx-Scintilla/ trunk/Wx-Scintilla/lib/Wx/ trunk/Wx-Scintilla/wx-scint​illa/src/scintilla/include/ trunk/Wx-Scintilla/wx-scintilla/src/scintilla/src/
07:48 szabgab nice
08:07 * azawawi prepares Wx::Scintilla 0.29_01
08:11 Hyppolit svn: r16155 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16155
08:11 Hyppolit Updated Changes for 0.29_01 CPAN release
08:11 Hyppolit trunk/Wx-Scintilla/
08:17 azawawi cpanm http://cpan.metacpan.org/authors/id/A/​AZ/AZAWAWI/Wx-Scintilla-0.29_01.tar.gz
08:21 Hyppolit svn: r16156 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16156
08:21 Hyppolit Wx::HTML -> Wx::Html
08:21 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/FBP/
08:22 * azawawi installs Padre::Plugin::FormBuilder
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08:37 Hyppolit svn: r16157 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16157
08:37 Hyppolit Generated latest Padre::Wx::Syntax from Padre.fbp using Padre::Plugin::FormBuilder
08:37 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/FBP/
08:38 Hyppolit svn: r16158 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16158
08:38 Hyppolit Removed stupid debug diagnostics in t/08_style.t. azawawi--
08:38 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/t/
08:47 azawawi szabgab: i sent an email to Solarized maker Ethan Schoonover to add Padre to his webpage
08:55 azawawi Alias: ping
08:56 azawawi Alias: any reason why we do not check for latest Wx on all platforms in Makefile.PL? Please see #1184 .
08:56 Hyppolit # 1184 :  Perl help browser supresses linebreaks (new defect) by gyles19  [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1184#comment:5 ]
09:00 Hyppolit svn: r16159 | bowtie++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16159
09:00 Hyppolit added a tweak and a trace
09:00 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-Patch/lib/Padre/Plugin/Patch/
09:00 szabgab azawawi: you are a great marketer :)
09:01 azawawi syntax check annotations will be removed as a Padre feature and moved to core :)
09:01 azawawi unless someone objects...
09:02 azawawi http://perl-node-interface.blogspot.com/2011​/09/mo-moo-moose-not-really-stuttering.html  # Moo enters... :)
09:03 szabgab what is the difference between Padre feature and core?
09:03 szabgab core of what?
09:03 azawawi basically a feature is not enabled by default
09:03 azawawi experimental... => Padre::Feature::YYY
09:03 szabgab you mean a default feature :)
09:03 azawawi yeah yeah
09:04 bowtie how about an internal plugin
09:04 azawawi for?
09:05 azawawi https://metacpan.org/module/Mo   # ingy++
09:06 azawawi so basically we can Mo, then Moo then Moose :)
09:06 azawawi i wonder what's the startup cost for Mo
09:08 szabgab I asked Steven a few months ago trying to understand what he thinks the benefit of Padre would be to switch to use Moose but he said there would not be huge advantages
09:08 bowtie azawawi, so now we Mouse Moo and Mo
09:08 szabgab so I did not go forward wit my plan to try Moose in a branch
09:09 azawawi the question is, does it simplify the codebase or not?
09:09 azawawi szabgab: http://whiteknight.github.c​om/2011/09/10/dust_settles  # parrot deprecation policy
09:16 szabgab azawawi: thanks, it is in the next Perl Weekly already :)
09:18 Hyppolit svn: r16160 | bowtie++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16160
09:18 Hyppolit added a tweak and a trace
09:18 Hyppolit add editor re-focus on exit
09:18 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
09:29 ingy azawawi: Mo is very zippy. But please benchmark and let me know.
09:30 szabgab azawawi: you see what did you do! you woke the sleeping beauty. (or lion?) :)
09:42 azawawi ingy: will do :)
09:47 bowtie szabgab, On reflection, I think that a Perl-Critic-RC-Editor is a good idea, whether it should just be a  Perl-RC-Editor (Critic|Tidy) who knows. But is it not a modification to the current P-P-PerlCritic Plugin defiantly NO. As to whether we should be starting another plugin whilst in progress of trying to sort-out existing mess seams crazy to me but who am I.
09:48 azawawi bowtie: i think we should focus first on getting them on CPAN first
09:48 azawawi bowtie: and then we need to see what needs unification/merging
09:49 azawawi bowtie: e.g. Perl web frameworks could agree on a web framework for starting/stopping servers, monitoring logs and creating templates
09:49 azawawi bowtie: s/templates/project templates/
09:49 azawawi bowtie: the thing is
09:49 azawawi bowtie: Padre focus on creating stuff
09:49 azawawi bowtie: s/focus/focused/
09:49 azawawi bowtie: but not actually integrating them
09:50 azawawi bowtie: you need to integrate an easy development *process* for web frameworks and other stuff
09:50 azawawi bowtie: that way people say, 'hey, Padre is useful to me' aside from just a project generator.
09:51 azawawi we learn from our mistakes and improve Padre
09:51 bowtie azawawi, I concur, sort out current plugins,
09:52 azawawi basically the lesson learned = less deps = less maintaince
09:52 azawawi s/maintaince/maintenance/
09:52 azawawi i always misspell that one! :)
09:53 bowtie azawawi, as for a functionality super web frame work, that just makes sense
09:53 bowtie you think you have problems I'am dyslectic :)
09:54 azawawi :)
09:58 azawawi A year ago I was morbidly obese and had health problems :)
10:02 bowtie snap
10:06 bowtie azawawi, do you have any idea as to which of your plugins could be classed as test/example (2nd stream), which compared to tidy, critic (1st stream) :)
10:08 azawawi bowtie: tier 1, 2 plugins?
10:08 azawawi like http://www.netbsd.org/ports/ ?
10:09 bowtie azawawi, yes, thanks for that "tier" I could not spell that so went for stream,
10:10 bowtie ie tier 1, works on all os
10:15 bowtie azawawi, thus, spell, audio can in present form never make tier 1 as they are os strapped
10:23 bowtie azawawi, we don't have a project generator any more :(  we removed the module starter dialog, why?
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10:55 azawawi bowtie: no idea... ask Alias... :)
10:56 azawawi bowtie: he was talking about Module Starter 2.0
10:57 bowtie azawawi, yes i remember it well along with module starter 1, and now we have none :)
10:58 bowtie Alias, how is Module Starter 2.0 progressing ?
10:58 azawawi maybe module starter 2 is there but we dont see it :)
10:59 bowtie vapour ware :)
11:00 azawawi lol
11:09 Hyppolit svn: r16161 | submersible_toaster++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16161
11:09 Hyppolit first real 2-way co-operative editing capability
11:09 Hyppolit lots of debugging noise.
11:09 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-Swarm/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Swarm/lib/Padre/Plugin/Swarm/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Swarm/lib/​Padre/Plugin/Swarm/Transport/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Swarm/l​ib/Padre/Plugin/Swarm/Wx/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Swarm/t/
11:10 bowtie submersible_toaster, do you want to test?
11:10 submersible_toaster i've only tested the local multicast so - if you have a minute , sure
11:10 azawawi submersible_toaster: what's toasting? :)
11:10 bowtie ok give me 10 mins to setup
11:11 submersible_toaster azawawi: i _think_ i have a working co-operative edit mode with swarm.
11:11 azawawi submersible_toaster: solarized dark/light is now in... the problem now is that Padre looks awful compared to the awesomeness of the editor...
11:11 submersible_toaster eg: I can see your open files and when i click one - it opens in my editor...and your edits appear there... and my edits appear in yours
11:12 azawawi cool
11:12 azawawi awesome
11:12 submersible_toaster azawawi: i saw those go in .
11:12 submersible_toaster i have been using dark for a while now ... it's mostly all good for perl source... other mimetypes need some love
11:13 azawawi that and i need to add the rest of the lexical states to it
11:15 Hyppolit svn: r16162 | submersible_toaster++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16162
11:15 Hyppolit quash some noisy noise
11:15 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-Swarm/l​ib/Padre/Plugin/Swarm/Wx/
11:18 Hyppolit svn: r16163 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16163
11:18 Hyppolit Perl tidy Padre::Config::Style
11:18 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Config/
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11:18 bowtie_ submersible_toaster, ready
11:19 submersible_toaster yup
11:19 submersible_toaster see 'flipper'
11:19 bowtie_ I am old enough to have watch that in Black and white :)
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11:30 Hyppolit svn: r16164 | submersible_toaster++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16164
11:30 Hyppolit add first swarm remote edit of changes file thanks bowtie++
11:30 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-Swarm/
11:44 * submersible_toaster rejoices
11:45 bowtie back to normal
11:46 bowtie submersible_toaster, it would be nice if there was a control dialog, so that I could turn local and global on and off with out having to load and unload plugin to do this
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11:50 bowtie submersible_toaster, could you indent the file name below project, thus enabling both info to be displayed, with out such wide lines
11:53 * azawawi work &
11:53 submersible_toaster bowtie: yeah - that should really look like a tree of 'User'->'Project'-> .. normal directory/file tree
11:54 submersible_toaster right now it's 'User'-> ugly list of resourcenames
11:57 bowtie what about the ability to enable local chat and disable global or other way round
11:59 submersible_toaster probably at the point now where that is possible but requires some work. also possible to add multiple 'transports'
11:59 submersible_toaster preferences dialog current still all for show.
12:00 bowtie ok
12:01 bowtie any comments on Patch-2 now that it trys to find File-1 plus error message?
12:04 submersible_toaster i have not had a chance - sorry. will try during the week
12:04 submersible_toaster grand prix time now.
12:05 bowtie thanks
12:05 bowtie they should red flag
12:50 submersible_toaster bowtie:  ok - i see 'Hunk 1 failed at line x' in output when Patch-2 fails.
12:52 bowtie that's all I get back from eval block in eval_error, is it what you expected?
12:52 bowtie submersible_toaster, that's why I added source of error :)
12:54 bowtie submersible_toaster, an aside MSC v HAM was cool
12:56 submersible_toaster bowtie: wasn't it ? and JBU just wandered past
12:57 bowtie you do mean BUT don't you, so much better than HAM
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13:35 El_Che szabgab: really? it a hosted blog
13:35 El_Che mee
15:29 Hyppolit svn: r16165 | bowtie++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16165
15:29 Hyppolit force re fresh of current open files data object on against action to keep lists up to date
15:29 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-Patch/lib/Padre/Plugin/Patch/
15:32 Hyppolit svn: r16166 | bowtie++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16166
15:32 Hyppolit apply tweak
15:32 Hyppolit force refresh of current open files data object
15:32 Hyppolit on action against to keep lists up to date
15:32 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
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15:46 heinrich_ Hi i have a little wxPerl question if allowed here. wxPerl channel is not well populated, and i think padre experts are wxPerl experts too.
15:49 heinrich_ I have a made a class MyFileDialog @ISA Wx::FileDialog and it works so far. Now i want to set a Windowstyle ... if i do it like all examples ...
15:50 heinrich_ $class->SUPER::new( @_ ,  wxFD_SAVE )
15:50 bowtie heinrich_, the members you need to talk to are Alias and azawawi, either leave a question now, for them to view, or try in around 06:00 GMT, hope this helps
15:51 heinrich_ it results in Bareword not allowed in strict subs ...
15:52 heinrich_ bowtie, ok thnaks
16:05 El_Che heinrich_: just talking about something I don't know much about, but have you tried : $class->SUPER::new( @_ ,  'wxFD_SAVE' )
16:19 heinrich_ yes, perl says arg must be numeric
16:19 heinrich_ now i found out it works with use Wx qw (wxFD_SAVE)
16:20 heinrich_ but not with just use Wx ?
16:53 Hyppolit svn: r16167 | bowtie++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16167
16:53 Hyppolit fix for obtuse leading space
16:53 Hyppolit see output via data::printer
16:53 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-Patch/lib/Padre/Plugin/Patch/
16:55 Hyppolit svn: r16168 | bowtie++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16168
16:55 Hyppolit fix for obtuse leading space
16:55 Hyppolit plus some comments
16:55 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
17:05 bowtie NB, if you use "$notebook->GetPageText($_)" you my get an obtuse leading space before filename
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22:29 Hyppolit svn: r16169 | bowtie++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16169
22:29 Hyppolit regex {Space} tweak
22:29 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
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