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00:35 Hyppolit # 1106 :  Perl/Create Projects Tagfile cause Padre to freeze (new defect) by gyles19  [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1106#comment:2 ]
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05:17 Hyppolit svn: r16170 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16170
05:17 Hyppolit Adding rfc4646_exists method to detect if a language is known by Padre
05:17 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/
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07:08 azawawi good morning #padre
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07:14 sewi_work gm azawawi
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07:43 zenog good morning everyone
07:44 azawawi zenog: hi
07:44 azawawi sewi_work: yo
07:54 Hyppolit svn: r16171 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16171
07:54 Hyppolit The beginnings of another attempt at a Style 2.0 implementation
07:54 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/ trunk/Padre/share/style2/
07:56 bowtie_ Alias, what is the status of module starter?
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07:59 bowtie_ any body, what is the "wizard selector", what dose it do, and dose it work?
08:01 Alias It's a framework for creating multiple wizards of various types
08:01 Alias It doesn't work
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08:02 bowtie_ thanks, for that, I won't look any further, then.
08:03 bowtie_ Alias, how do you add a dialog.fbp to another fbp so that it contains two ?
08:04 Alias I think you can select the dialog in the first one, do "Copy" and then open the second one and "Paste"
08:05 bowtie_ ok, is that how I add Paste to Padre.fbp
08:17 zenog Alias: I am interested in the Style 2.0 - what improvements will it bring?
08:19 Hyppolit svn: r16172 | bowtie++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16172
08:19 Hyppolit added Padre-Plugin-Patch.fbp  to Padre.fbp
08:19 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/
08:19 bowtie_ Alias, thanks
08:21 azawawi Alias: i wonder why it doesnt work lol :)
08:22 bowtie_ what about module builder, version 1 or 2 ?
08:28 Alias zenog: My initial goals are 1. Simplified implementation 2. Support for precompilation so they apply fast 3. Internationalisation
08:29 Alias So the implementation aligns much closer with the native Scintilla methods and such, and tries to avoid inventing alternative structure wherever possible
08:29 Alias There's no hash structure at all
08:29 Alias It's a linear set of statements
08:29 Alias Which is parsed slightly to produce a sequence of Perl statements
08:30 Alias That can be applied to any scintilla editor object
08:31 Alias So now instead of a whole mess of if/else junk and parsing and special code in Padre::Wx::Editor we just pass the editor object to a precompiled function, which just calls a prerolled set of methods and preparsed params
08:31 Alias And file types are mime types
08:32 Alias So everything should key off existing concepts, and the entire style system should hopefully take no more than 300 lines of code
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08:32 Alias It maximises leveraging of existing code
08:32 zenog Alias: Will it also be simpler to use? I.e. that users can create new styles really quick?
08:33 Alias Not as such...
08:33 zenog Alias: But it won't be harder, right?
08:33 zenog Alias: Generally, sounds awesome.
08:33 Alias There will still be some level of learning curve, but the styles themself will be easier to read, because you can look up all the terms against existing docs
08:34 Alias And the format is marginally scriptier than the old one
08:34 bowtie_ Alias, will it have plan English description rather than current critic one's
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08:34 Alias huh?
08:34 Alias Example?
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08:37 Alias I'm hoping I won't need to document it at all
08:37 Alias Other than to point to the docs of Scintilla :)
08:37 Alias It's still a work in progress, so we'll see
08:38 bowtie_ http://paste.scsys.co.uk/143222
08:39 waxhead hey everyone
08:39 bowtie_ obtuse discription including none functional options
08:39 waxhead what's the FBP plugin we need to install?
08:39 * waxhead is going to make a real effort with the SVN Plugin this week
08:39 zenog waxhead++
08:40 bowtie_ waxhead, another carrot :)
08:40 waxhead I've taken out the SVN::Class in a branch.. I need to check where it's at
08:40 waxhead Alias kept going on about the memory usage with it... so now it's back to commandline passing/parsing
08:41 waxhead I have to say Padre is looking good with the solarise and the scintilla changes!
08:42 waxhead so the next question is when do we want to release a 0.92?
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08:45 waxhead are the code folding markers missing again?
08:47 bowtie_ waxhead, I thought it was some sort of padding in a menu, has it ever worked as expected?
08:48 submersible_toaster azawawi: could you suggest a way to draw multiple cursors or cursor-like overlays on an editor panel ? can it be done with STC somehow ?
08:49 waxhead bowtie_, yes, you get the + - markers next to sub routines when it's turned on
08:50 waxhead Hmm... Perl::FBP fails to install, as does the plugin...
08:51 bowtie_ waxhead, I thought it was some kind of decoration for xmas, as for Perl::FBP just force install I do all the time on linux
09:00 waxhead bowtie_, what's the link to your plugin cookbook?
09:00 * waxhead needs a refresher on what is needed
09:01 bowtie_ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/wiki/PadrePluginDialog
09:01 waxhead and I'll need to get FBP working as I was using the built in dialogs for a lot of things
09:01 waxhead bowtie_, thanks
09:01 bowtie_ waxhead, comments on a postcard please :)
09:02 azawawi submersible_toaster: any screenshots or something?
09:03 azawawi submersible_toaster: over the text you mean? or in the margins?
09:20 Hyppolit wiki page http://padre.perlide.org/tra​c/wiki/PadrePluginCookbook01 changed by bowtie
09:38 submersible_toaster azawawi: prefer to be comparable to the user's normal cursor/caret but different colour - so in the text of the document. either that or render a tranparent box or glyph over the text
09:39 submersible_toaster azawawi: if you run padre dev -a and try enabling swarm I can show you ; sort of
09:40 * azawawi runs perl dev -a
09:41 submersible_toaster swarm has deps you may  - may-not have installed
09:41 * azawawi installs swarm's deps
09:41 submersible_toaster :)
09:42 submersible_toaster what were they ? AnyEvent and IO::Socket::Multicast ?
09:42 azawawi yeah
09:42 azawawi and Object::Event something
09:42 submersible_toaster did i remember to add that....  - wow clever me
09:45 waxhead so what replaces the old main->error() dialog within plugins now?
09:49 azawawi cannot locate Padre::Role::Task ? ... strange
09:49 azawawi in t/compile.t...
09:51 azawawi use Padre::Role::Task ();    # in Padre::Plugin::Swarm ?
09:51 szabgab what, $main->error is gone?
09:52 waxhead szabgab, no I meant $plugin->main->error()
09:52 waxhead which should be $main->error()
09:52 waxhead which I thought Alias removed in part of the big clean up of the 'static' dialogs padre once had
09:52 azawawi maybe forgot to use Padre::Main::Role () and extend?
09:53 waxhead I'm upgrading Wx
09:53 Alias hrm?
09:54 Alias Dialogs should inherit from Padre::Wx::Role::Main if you want the ->main type conveniences
09:54 Alias And you should create the dialog with the main window as a parent
09:54 submersible_toaster afk 10 mins
09:54 Alias $dialog = MyDialog->new($main)
09:54 * Alias goes for a skate
09:55 Alias waxhead: I want a shot at finishing Style 2.0 before we release
09:55 Alias That's probably the last big API break I've been wanting
09:55 waxhead Alias, no prob... just asking
09:55 bowtie_ waxhead, did you do  my $self   = shift;
09:55 bowtie_ my $main   = $self->main; and add         'Padre::Wx::Main'       => '0.91',
09:55 bowtie_ 'Padre::Wx::Role::Main' => '0.91', to padre interface
09:55 * Alias goes for his skate
09:56 waxhead bowtie_, likely not...
09:56 waxhead I'm looking at old code in a branch from the time I removed the Class::SVN dependancy...
09:56 waxhead bowtie_,  lots of issues with that code... in terms of current compatibility...
09:56 bowtie_ Alias, I thought you just stand in middle an blow your whistle :)
09:57 waxhead bowtie_, hence reading your cookbooks.. :)
09:58 bowtie_ waxhead, recipe 05 for code compatibly with padre
09:58 shadowpaste "waxhead" at 217.168.150.38 pasted "alias, failing FBP::Perl make" (27 lines) at http://paste.scsys.co.uk/143272
09:58 bowtie_ waxhead, if you get a load of bareword errors in generated fbp, just sed file Wx::DefaultPosition, => Wx::DefaultPosition(), will remove them.
09:58 waxhead Alias, ^^^^
09:59 waxhead bowtie_, can't install FBP::Perl and the plugin...
09:59 bowtie_ waxhead, just force install FBP::Perl
09:59 waxhead although, for what it's worth, my hand generated dialogs appear to work, but with an odd RH text alignment
10:00 bowtie_ waxhead, dose the table in recipe 02 help there?
10:01 bowtie_ waxhead, if you want to post your fbp to sandbox I will take a look
10:02 waxhead bowtie_, that's fine, I want to avoid too much work for now.. I'm going to go with what works and refine it over the week...
10:02 waxhead bowtie_, I just want to merge the branch back to trunk...
10:02 waxhead then improve it over time...
10:05 Hyppolit svn: r16173 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16173
10:05 Hyppolit Fixed t/01_compile.t error in Padre::Plugin::Swarm. I wonder if Mo will help to simplify code there or not with the extends keyword.
10:05 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-Swarm/lib/Padre/Plugin/
10:09 bowtie_ Q when are we going to upgrade our SVN as present version is: Powered by Subversion version 1.4.6 (r28521). I know I am old but in computer term this is positivity ancient :)
10:09 Hyppolit Changeset #28521 http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/28521
10:09 azawawi szabgab: yeah why... 1.7 is next... :)
10:11 szabgab azawawi: ?
10:16 bowtie_ szabgab, 1.4.x is now unsupported, ubuntu deb is 1.6.n, what is os for padre svn?
10:35 szabgab I think I am missing something here
10:35 bowtie_ waxhead, I just followed your lead, with Class::SVN, but if you think I should have used SVN::Client  or something else I am all ear's :)
10:36 szabgab what version numbers are you guys talking about azawawi  and bowtie_ ?
10:36 bowtie_ szabgab, padre svn needs to be updated
10:36 waxhead bowtie_, what with?
10:36 szabgab man what are you talking about?
10:37 bowtie_ szabgab, see for your self: http://svn.perlide.org/padre​/trunk/Padre-Plugin-Parrot/
10:37 waxhead bowtie_, the original SVN plugin just called the command line from perl... I thought it mgiht be nicer to use Class::SVN, however that meant a lot of dependancies and as Alias complained, used too much memory...
10:37 bowtie_ waxhead, your warning about Class::SVN ?
10:37 submersible_toaster woof
10:37 waxhead bowtie_, so I'm removing the Class::SVN dep...
10:38 waxhead and trying to wrap up th eSVN stuff in a more encapsulated way.. but not getting very far.. :)
10:38 waxhead I'm using Capture::Tiny to capture the output
10:38 waxhead hey submersible_toaster
10:38 submersible_toaster hi
10:38 szabgab are talking you what always riddles in bowtie_ ?
10:39 waxhead how're the grommets?
10:39 bowtie_ waxhead, what pure perl module are you recommending to use in stead ?
10:39 waxhead szabgab == yoda
10:39 waxhead bowtie_, I'm not...
10:39 szabgab what Parrot plugin does wit SVN you for>
10:39 waxhead it's going to call svn commands from perl itself, using Capture::Tiny to grab the output
10:40 Hyppolit svn: r16174 | submersible_toaster++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16174
10:40 Hyppolit remove old modules - fix a test.
10:40 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-Swarm/lib/​Padre/Plugin/Swarm/Transport/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Swarm/t/
10:40 bowtie_ szabgab, look on web page and you will see current svn version
10:40 submersible_toaster waxhead: very good - starting her on perl6 by christmas
10:40 szabgab now you start saying words my little brain can comprehend
10:40 szabgab but can I just run   svn --version for that ?
10:41 bowtie_ szabgab, it's not the contents of page but footer
10:41 waxhead submersible_toaster, cool...
10:41 szabgab or do I need to check the Parrot plugin for that?
10:41 waxhead I can't get my boy interested in anything that isn't minecraft...
10:41 bowtie_ szabgab, ignore  Parrot plugin
10:41 szabgab waxhead: automate minecraft
10:42 * szabgab ignors the Paaaarot
10:42 szabgab so svn has a version number
10:42 szabgab great!
10:43 bowtie_ szabgab, you my be able to do that (svn --version) but as a user I just look at footer for same info
10:43 szabgab and it will keep having one for the forseeable future
10:43 bowtie_ szabgab, yes, it's good to see
10:43 szabgab so now we both know svn is 1.4.6
10:43 szabgab on the server
10:44 bowtie_ but it's out of date, bit like a new user asking questions about Padre 0.23
10:44 bowtie_ what would your answer be?
10:48 szabgab is this now a trick question?
10:49 szabgab the server has a standard set of applications and I won't upgrade anything beyond twhat the OS provides
10:49 szabgab well, except where I do
10:49 szabgab but for upgrading svn Id probably need to recompile apache as well
10:49 szabgab and that won't happen
10:50 bowtie_ szabgab, no, it's a suggestion, that SVN should be updated on the Padre SVN
10:50 bowtie_ szabgab, what is os?
10:50 szabgab what do you mean by "Padre SVN"  the svn server used for padre, that won't be ugraded
10:50 szabgab Ubuntu 8.04
10:51 szabgab Hyppolit: uptime?
10:51 szabgab uptime?
10:51 Hyppolit 03:50:48 up 16 days, 4 min,  2 users,  load average: 0.45, 0.59, 0.60
10:52 szabgab oh, but that does not say it
10:52 szabgab The next LTS is supposed to be released in April
10:53 szabgab so around June I might switch to a new server
10:54 szabgab or we can switch to github :0
10:54 bowtie_ szabgab, thank you, ubuntu 8.04, got it. is 8.04 lts still supported?
10:55 szabgab 5 years
10:56 bowtie_ szabgab, so we are waiting for the bugs to be removed from 10.04lts before we upgrade then?
10:58 El_Che hey
11:12 submersible_toaster do we _really_ need JSON::XS ?
11:12 submersible_toaster why not just JSON
11:13 azawawi submersible_toaster: where is that?
11:13 submersible_toaster Padre::Sync
11:13 submersible_toaster i'm having trouble w/ it and swarm... i suspect thread safety or magic loading issues
11:14 * azawawi checks JSON deps
11:15 azawawi given the number of things we're syncing, i doubt JSON::XS will make any difference
11:15 Hyppolit svn: r16175 | waxhead++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16175
11:15 Hyppolit Working on finihsing what I started at the beginning of the year.
11:15 Hyppolit branches/Padre-Plugin-SVN-take2/ branches/Padre-Plugin-SVN-take2/lib/Padre/Plugin/ branches/Padre-Plugin-SVN-t​ake2/lib/Padre/Plugin/SVN/ branches/Padre-Plugin-SVN-ta​ke2/lib/Padre/Plugin/SVN/Wx/
11:15 azawawi we're not doing a 100k JSON as far as i know
11:16 azawawi Alias: ping
11:16 waxhead azawawi, he's skating
11:16 waxhead azawawi, nice work with Scintilla too by the way...
11:16 submersible_toaster having trouble reproducing it so for now i will not worry too much
11:16 azawawi im resisting the urge to go back to online gaming :)
11:17 azawawi when you see a burst of stuff released, that would be it...
11:17 azawawi the urge to online game! :)
11:21 waxhead :) as long as we and Perl win.. :)
11:23 azawawi enable syntax check annotations by default...? :)
11:27 sewi_work azawawi: Syntax check often failed when required modules are not in Padre's @INC
11:27 azawawi give me an example plz?
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11:42 Hyppolit svn: r16176 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16176
11:42 Hyppolit Open resources dialog is now triggered by Ctrl-Alt-R instead of Ctrl-Shift-R which is now reserved for 'Replace in Files' functionality
11:42 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
11:42 azawawi i cant figure out how Wx::STC defines its constants...
11:45 Hyppolit # 1320 :  crash: Can't locate object method "SetIndicatorCurrent" (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/1320 ]
11:45 Hyppolit # 1320 :  crash: Can't locate object method "SetIndicatorCurrent" (new defect) by szabgab  [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1320#comment:1 ]
11:47 azawawi szabgab: cpan .
11:47 azawawi szabgab: to install Wx::Scintilla 0.26+
11:49 sewi_work azawawi: Any project which uses local Modules, even $project_dir/lib is usually not in @INC
11:50 azawawi sewi_work: use preferences/interpreter settings?
11:51 sewi_work Does the syntax checker respect them?
11:51 Hyppolit # 1320 :  crash: Can't locate object method "SetIndicatorCurrent" (new defect) by azawawi  [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1320#comment:2 ]
11:55 Hyppolit # 1320 :  crash: Can't locate object method "SetIndicatorCurrent" (new defect) by szabgab  [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1320#comment:3 ]
12:02 Hyppolit # 1320 :  crash: Can't locate object method "SetIndicatorCurrent" (closed defect) by szabgab  [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1320#comment:4 ]
12:06 Hyppolit # 1128 :  Filter through Perl: improvements (new enhancement) by zenogantner  [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1128#comment:4 ]
12:07 Hyppolit # 1128 :  Filter through Perl: improvements (new enhancement) by zenogantner  [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1128#comment:5 ]
12:07 zenog ... so if anybody has time to work on the filters ... could put this into use right now ;-)
12:08 Hyppolit # 1128 :  Filter through Perl: improvements (new enhancement) by Sewi  [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1128#comment:6 ]
12:08 Sewi zenog: Don't treat the internal function as "current state"
12:09 Hyppolit # 1320 :  crash: Can't locate object method "SetIndicatorCurrent" (closed defect) by azawawi  [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1320#comment:5 ]
12:11 zenog Sewi: hm, if the functionality lives in a plug-in, it should be removed from Padre core, isn't it?
12:11 Sewi I'd prefer the other way: import the current plugin version into core
12:12 Hyppolit # 1128 :  Filter through Perl: improvements (new enhancement) by zenogantner  [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1128#comment:7 ]
12:12 zenog Sewi: Both solutions are fine for me, as long as the current thing is resolved.
12:18 zenog Sewi: What is the name of the plugin?
12:21 Sewi http://padre.perlide.org/trac/browser/tr​unk/Padre-Plugin-ExperimentalPerlFilter
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12:26 cluelessnewbie Hello! Is there a report of repeated reloads locking Padre under Ubuntu?
12:27 cluelessnewbie If not, I'd like to report it.
12:29 zenog cluelessnewbie: Do you have a trac account?
12:29 zenog cluelessnewbie: If not, we'll open registration for you for some minutes.
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12:42 cluelessnewbie Hi, Is there any report of Padre "locking up" because of repeated reloads?
12:45 cluelessnewbie I've been able to repeatedly lock up Padre (requiring a hard reboot) under Ubuntu (Natty Narwhal) by doing just that.
12:50 zenog cluelessnewbie: I have not heard of such things ...
12:51 cluelessnewbie here how I did it
12:51 cluelessnewbie Repeated reloads in Padre locks keyboard and mouse.  Host: Win XP Virtualizer: Virtualbox 4.1.0 Guest: Ubuntu Natty Narwhal  Set up: Boot Ubuntu, Start system monitor, Start terminal,   cp <some file> file1  Start Padre, opening file1 and another file,  Repeat {     terminal: cp <some file> file1     Padre: switch to file1     Padre will offer to reload file1
12:52 cluelessnewbie Padre: reload file1     Padre: switch to another file      }  Padre/Ubuntu quickly (3 or 4 loops) locks up most of the keyboard mouse functions.
12:52 cluelessnewbie Sorry for the formatting ...
12:52 zenog register?
12:52 Hyppolit register is http://padre.perlide.org/trac/register
12:53 zenog cluelessnewbie: Go to that URL and register, afterwards you can submit this in a ticket.
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12:55 bowtie_ zenog, do any of us run Padre in a Virtual environment ?
12:56 Hyppolit # 1321 :  Repeated reloads in Padre locks keyboard and mouse. (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/1321 ]
12:57 zenog bowtie_: I do not.
12:57 cluelessnewbie zenog, thank!
12:57 zenog cluelessnewbie: Thank you for reporting the issue.
12:58 bowtie_ zenog, I am back on i686 at present :)
12:59 cluelessnewbie Can any one point me to code that might give me a better understanding of PPI?
13:02 azawawi cluelessnewbie: https://metacpan.org/module/PPI
13:08 cluelessnewbie Thank you, I've been through that and I'm hoping to find some examples.
13:09 cluelessnewbie ack! got some! thanks!
13:10 azawawi cluelessnewbie: hmm you need to see it in action
13:11 azawawi cluelessnewbie: ok, let me get you some modules using it
13:11 azawawi cluelessnewbie: http://svn.perlide.org/pad​re/trunk/PPIx-EditorTools
13:13 azawawi cluelessnewbie: is that ok?
13:21 cluelessnewbie WEEE! Thanks!
13:22 azawawi np
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18:48 Hyppolit svn: r16177 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16177
18:48 Hyppolit Preferences editor preview is now readonly and has an interpolated string example
18:48 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
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19:31 Sewi hallo heinrich
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19:48 GabrielVieira i'm having problem to install Padre with Unicode support
19:49 GabrielVieira i'm getting -> Can't locate object method "GetUnicodeKey" via package "Wx::KeyEvent"
19:49 GabrielVieira when I type
19:51 GabrielVieira acctually I guess my problem is with wxWidgets, but I cant fix it
19:53 Sewi trunk or released version?
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20:02 bowtie Sewi, if we had a Padre parameter that only checks local environment, print output dependence version and exits, it would help with number of requests that here
20:04 Sewi oh, we have it
20:05 bowtie and!
20:06 bowtie --help              Shows this help message
20:06 bowtie --home=dir          Forces Padre "home" directory to a specific location
20:06 bowtie --reset             Flush entire local config directory and reset to defaults
20:06 bowtie --session=name      Open given session during Padre startup
20:06 bowtie --version           Prints Padre version and quits
20:06 bowtie don't see it here?
20:08 Sewi strange, I was sure we had it
20:09 bowtie we might have had it in past, I grant you that :)
20:11 GabrielVieira Sewi: all versions
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20:27 Sewi GabrielVieira:
20:27 Sewi cpan> force install Wx
20:27 GabrielVieira I did
20:28 GabrielVieira but I cant find wxWidgets for opensuse 11.4
20:28 GabrielVieira I dont know =P
20:30 GabrielVieira when testing Wx -> t/01_load.t ........... Failed 5/6 subtests
20:33 GabrielVieira In opensuse I can only  find the wxWidgets-devel package but no wxWidgets
20:35 Sewi sorry, no ideas left
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