IRC log for #padre, 2011-09-14

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Time	Nick	Message
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01:30	Hyppolit	svn: r16207 \| adamk++ \| http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16207
01:30		Move padre's internal colouring into it's own block
01:30		trunk/Padre/share/styles/
01:33		svn: r16208 \| adamk++ \| http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16208
01:33		The currently active style is now stored on the main object
01:33		trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
01:34		svn: r16209 \| adamk++ \| http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16209
01:34		Nothing has used $data_private for a while now
01:34		trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
01:36		svn: r16210 \| adamk++ \| http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16210
01:36		Removing unused padre_setup_style
01:36		trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
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02:12	Hyppolit	svn: r16211 \| adamk++ \| http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16211
02:12		FindInFiles now does correct match accounting again
02:12		trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
02:17		svn: r16212 \| adamk++ \| http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16212
02:17		- Find In Files shows match counts again, and no longer hides files when we
02:17		only do a single render pass for files because there's only a few (ADAMK)
02:17		trunk/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
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02:20	Hyppolit	svn: r16213 \| adamk++ \| http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16213
02:20		Message tweak
02:20		trunk/Padre/
02:31		svn: r16214 \| adamk++ \| http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16214
02:31		Removed method prematurely, due to not finding any uses of it due to the Find in Files bug I just fixed.
02:31		trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
02:36	Alias_	I'm about to complete break styles, sorry folks
02:36		Or rather, you'll always get the default style no matter what you choose
03:11	Hyppolit	svn: r16215 \| adamk++ \| http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16215
03:11		Switching to using the new Padre::Wx::Style object held in Padre::Wx::Main
03:11		trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
03:11		svn: r16216 \| adamk++ \| http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16216
03:11		Removing some remnant references to Wx::STC and Wx::StyledTextCtrl
03:11		trunk/Padre/lib/ trunk/Padre/share/examples/wx/
03:12	submersible_work	ARGHHHHHHH!
03:12		my eyes
03:13	Alias_	Yup, mine too
03:13		Need to port the Ultraedit style as quickly as possible :)
03:19	submersible_work	can those themes define a palette and use palette symbols instead of rgb values duplicated everywhere ??
03:23	Hyppolit	svn: r16217 \| adamk++ \| http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16217
03:23		Adding GUI section to the style
03:23		trunk/Padre/share/styles/
03:23	Alias_	Not yet
03:23		Trying to keep it feature-light for the moment
03:24		Or rather, features implemented through lack of code rather than through more code
04:12	Hyppolit	svn: r16218 \| adamk++ \| http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16218
04:12		Adding support for setting gui colouring
04:12		trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
04:13		svn: r16219 \| adamk++ \| http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16219
04:13		Updating change_style to the new mechanism (but disabling for now)
04:13		trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
04:14		svn: r16220 \| adamk++ \| http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16220
04:14		Remove the evil legacy loading
04:14		trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
04:16		svn: r16221 \| adamk++ \| http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16221
04:16		Removed the need for dedicated ->recolour methods, we can now use a simple $self->main->style->apply($self) to match our colours to the style.
04:16		trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
04:25		svn: r16222 \| adamk++ \| http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16222
04:25		GUI style settings now apply to the editor properly
04:25		trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/ trunk/Padre/share/styles/
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05:37	sewi_work	gm world
05:37	Hyppolit	svn: r16223 \| adamk++ \| http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16223
05:37		Removed Padre::Wx::Editor::data and the silly package lexical we stored the global style in
05:37		trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
06:08		svn: r16224 \| Sewi++ \| http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16224
06:08		Workaround for bad crash
06:08		trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
06:11		svn: r16225 \| Sewi++ \| http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16225
06:11		Workaround for bad crash
06:11		trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
06:12	sewi_work	Padre has beed stable and useable and mostly bug free, but now every new week seems to make things worst.
06:12	Alias	You know that's intentional right?
06:13		"One last chance to replace flakey APIs and break everything before we stablise aggressively for 1.0"
06:13	sewi_work	We can't do copy and paste any longer for WEEKS! Now we can't change a line without crash. I even disabled the project browser because it's freezing whole Padre again - a bug which was fixed month ago.
06:14	Alias	I've seen none of these things
06:14	sewi_work	I don't see any stabilisation atm.
06:14	Alias	0.90 was the stable release
06:15	sewi_work	And it wasn't really stable at all. Just the most recent version with fewer bugs thank trunk.
06:15	Alias	right
06:15		Although again, I don't see the problems you see
06:15	sewi_work	I'm trying to get people on Padre but neither the current linux (CPAN) nor the current windows (MSI) is something you could show people.
06:16	Alias	The current windows version (0.90) is just dandy
06:16	sewi_work	Everybody found some bugs within minutes and everybody found other bugs.
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06:18	sewi_work	"fold all" doesn't work since some 0.8x. I don't use it, but it's required for some co-worker. It wasn't even written down until he showed me. Lost Padre user.
06:18		Torben, my boss, at least opened a ticket containing the bugs he found in current win within the first five minutes.
06:20	Hyppolit	svn: r16226 \| Sewi++ \| http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16226
06:20		Workaround for bad crash
06:20		trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
06:24		svn: r16227 \| adamk++ \| http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16227
06:24		Expand from bottom to top so avoid hiding when there's only a single file
06:24		trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
06:26		svn: r16228 \| adamk++ \| http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16228
06:26		Styles now intelligently fall back to next-best styles if the one we want is missing from the style file
06:26		trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
06:27		# 1323 : Wx::Scintilla missing methods (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/1323 ]
06:30	sewi_work	Ok, the copy paste bug is no longer a problem. #1323 crashs Padre on any try to select some text
06:30	Hyppolit	# 1323 : Wx::Scintilla missing methods (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/1323 ]
06:31		svn: r16229 \| adamk++ \| http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16229
06:31		Ensure we absolutely have the latest Scintilla
06:31		trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/
06:37	submersible_work	0.90 is as stable as a drunken monkey ... until you compare it with @HEAD
06:38	Alias_	Considering that in head we've completely overhauled the tasks, editors and styles, it's somewhat to be expected
06:39	Hyppolit	# 1323 : Wx::Scintilla missing methods (new defect) by Sewi [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/[…]et/1323#comment:1 ]
06:40	Alias_	Sewi: It's say that's almost certainly related
06:40		I'm amazed your Padre boots at all
06:41	sewi_work	I didn't try to install current trunk scintilla
06:41		Alias_: Until I press Shift+some arrow to try to select something...
06:42	Alias_	I'd have expected to see Wx::Scintilla 0.28
06:42		Since it's the current stable version
06:44	sewi_work	Ctrl+Tab and the svn plugin are out of order, too. I don't see how keystrokes are related to the task system.
06:49	Alias_	Did it break before or after 0.90
06:55	sewi_work	svn plugin broke with FBP when you removed the old dialog module
06:55		which is not you fault, but all of us for not fixing it.
06:55		Ctrl+Tab works with 0.90
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07:05	azawawi	sewi_work: ping
07:05	sewi_work	pong (just after looking why Zoe pinged me :) )
07:06	azawawi	sewi_work: i think the latest changes for SetIndicator... are not needed
07:06		sewi_work: we need to force the latest Wx::Scintilla and that's it
07:06	sewi_work	azawawi: I gave up trying to cover this.
07:06	azawawi	sewi_work: rollback? :)
07:06	sewi_work	Is it ok that Wx:S refuses to test anything?
07:07	Hyppolit	svn: r16230 \| Sewi++ \| http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16230
07:07		give up on trying to use the "select" feature
07:07		trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
07:07	sewi_work	sorry, rolled back
07:07	azawawi	and the other one :)
07:08		r16224
07:08	Hyppolit	Changeset #16224 http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16224
07:08		svn: r16231 \| adamk++ \| http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16231
07:08		Extended style-driven gui colouring to the outline and todo list tools
07:08		trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
07:09	azawawi	sewi_work: the problems with indicators
07:09	Alias_	I put a hard version lock in just to be sure
07:09	sewi_work	r16230 should cover all of the workarounds
07:09	Hyppolit	Changeset #16230 http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16230
07:09	Alias_	azawawi: I'm not sure I'm a fan of the indicator approach
07:10	azawawi	sewi_work: is i switched to modern indicators because the previous ones sucked really bad
07:10	Alias_	It makes my document jump around all over the place, and when I'm writing a line it's rather intrusive
07:10	sewi_work	azawawi: What about these Wx:S complaints?
07:10	Alias_	Would be nice if the indicator appeared after a brief hover though
07:10		mouse hover
07:10	azawawi	do you mean annotations?
07:10		or indicators?
07:11	Alias_	sorry, annotations
07:11		They are really noisy
07:11	azawawi	been thinking the right approach
07:11		s/the/about the/
07:11	Alias_	Doesn't komodo do squiggly + tooltip?
07:11	azawawi	and nobody told me their opinion just until now lol
07:11	Alias_	I only saw annotations for the first time this morning
07:11	azawawi	sure
07:11		cool
07:11	Alias_	Although I know you've been working on support, which I'm cool about
07:12	azawawi	you know what happened? :)
07:12		i started that feature
07:12		and then i found out that get indicator is buggy with W:S
07:12		return values were returning Editor objects instead of integers...
07:13		gave up on fixing it
07:13	Alias_	azawawi: Just for kicks turn on feature_style_gui
07:13		With bleading trunk
07:13	azawawi	Alias_: i already did !
07:13		Alias_: it is awesome!
07:13	Alias_	And now it works with almost no code
07:13	azawawi	i read every changeset! :)
07:13	Alias_	No more 30 line ->recolour methods
07:14		ok, & # work
07:14	azawawi	anyway, steffen fixed ExtUtils::ParseXS to generate a really wonderful warnings about XS RETVALs
07:15		and it found the error that i wasnt returning RETVALs as it should be
07:15		it turned out that without OUTPUT: RETVAL section
07:15	Alias_	I noticed a whole ton of new ParseXS releases
07:15	azawawi	things really are undefined in XS
07:15		so if you forget OUTPUT:RETVAL for return vals
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07:15	azawawi	expect the object to be returned
07:15		by default...
07:15		even though you specified int or X type
07:16		anyway, it was a fun experience :)
07:16		ok, click or hover over indicator
07:17		and only the line annotation will be shown until you move from it...
07:17	sewi_work	azawawi: How to fix that Wx:S error?
07:19	azawawi	cpan Wx::Scintilla
07:19		0.28 fixes it
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07:19	sewi_work	azawawi: Sorry, I was talking about the trunk version...
07:20	azawawi	sewi_work: generally if it is a method not found, it is a scintilla upgrade :)
07:20	Alias_	azawawi: Might be a good idea to hardlock the Wx::Scintilla minimum version in Padre::Wx as you do the upgrades
07:20		azawawi: Just to make sure it doesn't catch people you don't run Makefile.PL often unawares
07:21		I added 0.28 in for the time being
07:22	azawawi	Alias_: i forgot about that
07:24	Alias_	It's usually not necessary
07:24		But during times of rapid apocalyptic change I find it useful :)
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07:27	sewi_work	Add a quick version check into the Padre bootstrap showing a message box popup or command line message if scintilla is too low (and exiting Padre).
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08:32	sewi_work	azawawi: thanks, the Wx::S-Update fixed the selection issue
08:32	azawawi	sewi_work: cool
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08:33	Hyppolit	# 1323 : Wx::Scintilla missing methods (closed defect) by Sewi [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/[…]et/1323#comment:2 ]
08:33	azawawi	Alias_: ping
08:34		Alias_: we lost Solarized light and dark in the process
08:34		Alias_: but we gained styled Padre windows :)
08:34		Alias_: you lose some, you win some... lol
08:38	bowtie	azawawi, why did we remove module starter dialog, we even had 2 dialogs at one time, as thie is in your vain of doing things for the programer to bake there life easy
08:38		bake -> make
08:40	Hyppolit	svn: r16232 \| azawawi++ \| http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16232
08:40		Replaced references to wxStyledTextCtrl documentation with the original Scintilla website documentation
08:40		trunk/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Plugin/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
08:41	azawawi	bowtie: ask the chaos creator :)
08:41		bowtie: and hi ... how r u? :)
08:42	bowtie	azawawi, you would not be referring to Alias the Chief Bugger, by chance :)
08:42	Hyppolit	svn: r16233 \| azawawi++ \| http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16233
08:42		svn:ignore *.old to get rid of winxs/ failing artifacts
08:42		trunk/Padre/
08:44	bowtie	azawawi, hi, I can see that when I sync to trunk I will have to update my style, I was hopping that the cryptic names and some documentation would also come out of this API change
08:46	azawawi	yeah
08:46		but do not worry :)
08:46		Styler dialog to the rescue
08:46		incoming big change :)
08:48		0.92 is a very big change
08:48	bowtie	Alias_, so why did we go from 1 module starter to 2 mod starters to none,
08:48	azawawi	no idea
08:48		ticket him :)
08:49	* azawawi	is working on "Move "Key bindings" to Preferences 2.0"
08:49		is working on q{Move "Key bindings" to Preferences 2.0} :)
08:49	bowtie	azawawi, dose he really read tickets?
08:49	azawawi	bowtie: he does :)
08:50		but really write it so we wont forget
08:50		and put as a blocker
08:50		so that xt/blocker.t will fire
08:50	bowtie	azawawi, I just went all light headed, such a shock to my system.
08:51		azawawi, next you will be telling me he closes tickets as well
08:51	azawawi	hehe
08:51		Alias_ does big changes in Padre core
08:51		change is useful
08:52		that's why i read every changeset everyday
08:52		to make sure those changes did not break something in my feature set
08:52	sewi_work	bowtie: Tag it as a blocker and someone will hopefully close it once it's done :)
08:53	bowtie	sewi_work, how do you tag a missing feature as a blocker when it dose not exists any more
08:54	sewi_work	tag the ticket as blocker
08:54	bowtie	sewi_work, yes sir!
08:54	sewi_work	azawawi said: Someone did blocker.xt which should stop releases until all blockers are downgraded or closed.
08:54		bowtie: :)
08:58	waxhead_	ok forcing install for FBP stuff!
09:03	Hyppolit	# 1324 : One of our features is missing... Skelton Build or Module::Starter (new enhancement) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/1324 ]
09:04		# 1324 : One of our features is missing... Skelton Build or Module::Starter (new defect) by bowtie [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/[…]et/1324#comment:1 ]
09:04	waxhead	how does this FBP stuff work?
09:05	bowtie	waxhead, have you installed wxFormbuilder ?
09:06	waxhead	yep
09:06		and now the Perl FBP stuff
09:06		but I'm working on the plugi and wnat to create a dialog.. no idea how that's supposed to work...
09:06	bowtie	waxhead, go get recpie01 zip
09:08		open MainFB.fbp with WxFormbuilder have a look around inside.
09:08		have main.pm open in padre
09:08		you should be running perl dev -a from trunk
09:09		activate P-P-FromBuilder
09:09		with plugin manager
09:09		run tool
09:09	waxhead	ok
09:09	bowtie	select MainFB.fbp
09:10		tick some boxes, take a preview, then generate
09:11		have a look around, you will notice that the file MainFB.pm is full of comments and POD, that I added to an early version of P-P-FormBuilder
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09:14	bowtie	waxhead, Recipe 01 is above, thats why I added zip so you can play along :)
09:16	azawawi	waxhead: install FormBuilder from trunk... :)
09:16	Hyppolit	# 1324 : One of our features is missing... Skelton Build or Module::Starter (new defect) by azawawi [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/[…]et/1324#comment:2 ]
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09:21	bowtie	azawawi, no run Padre from trunk, and load P-P-FormBuilder using perl dev -a
09:23	azawawi	bowtie: i develop using padre trunk
09:24		bowtie: to eat from my own dog food :)
09:24	bowtie	azawawi, lol
09:24	azawawi	bowtie: like five or more
09:24		bowtie: 'cpan .' during the day
09:25	bowtie	azawawi, you have to for plugins
09:25		azawawi, what dose 'cpan .' mean
09:28	azawawi	'cpan .' => perl Makefile.PL && make && make test && make install
09:28	bowtie	azawawi, against Padre
09:28	azawawi	so basically it will install anything to your perl
09:28		against any package
09:28	El_Che	it's oldschool for cpanm .
09:28		:)
09:29	azawawi	yup
09:29		cpanm . is quicker...
09:29		although cpan . seems more stable
09:29		i had situations with cpanm . failed
09:29	El_Che	once you configure it
09:29		no biggie for you and me
09:30		fraightening as hell for the biggest part of the world :)
09:30	* sewi_work	does perl Makefile.pl && make in case of errors and runs "dev" all the time
09:30	sewi_work	Keeping system padre as fallback :)
09:33	bowtie	i just do svn up followed by perl Makefile.PL && make then perl padre -a --die
09:38	azawawi	http://ahmadzawawi.blogspot.co[…]-tiobe-index.html # :)
10:00	* azawawi	starts a tsunami of commits
10:02	Hyppolit	svn: r16234 \| azawawi++ \| http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16234
10:02		Indicators should now be shown with syntax checker annotations. This is the start of a big series of commits to make syntax checker annotations less noisy.
10:02		trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
10:12	sewi_work	-a and --die are dev arguments, padre doesn't accept them
10:15	bowtie	sewi_work, I have found that you need to run Padre from dev if you wish to use P-P-FormBuilder
10:21	sewi_work	yes, but you need to run the "dev" script
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10:23	bowtie	sewi_work, yes
10:23	waxhead	I'm not sure I'm liking this GUI dev stuff
10:23		layouts is a nightmare
10:24		Oh, and none of the WX constants seem to work without the wx in front of them
10:24	bowtie	O did you know that if you update your own styles Padre can not find them, this is GREAT
10:24	waxhead	ie Wx::RESIZE_BORDER causes an error, Wx::wxRESIZE_BORDER doesn't
10:24	bowtie	just finds old ymal
10:25		waxhead, what is error
10:25		waxhead, you using linux
10:26		waxhead, have you got bareword issues :)
10:28		waxhead, you could just Wx::RESIZE_BORDER -> Wx::RESIZE_BORDER()
10:29		waxhead, apparently this only happens on linux
10:51	waxhead	bowtie, thanks.
10:54	bowtie	waxhead, any thing else
10:55		by the way the bareword issue happened around FBP::Perl v0.60
10:55	waxhead	dunno... guess I need to tie some code into this...
10:55		I wonder why...
10:56	bowtie	waxhead, I applied the fix to barewords on 27/08/2011 if that helps.
10:57		waxhead, hope you see why recipe 01 is so small, it's all the other stuff :)
10:58	waxhead	the recipe doco is pretty good...
10:58	bowtie	waxhead, by applied fix I mean hack a generated file with sed to add ()
11:00		waxhead, I intended that you need to view 1-2-3 as I tried to balance out info across all of them.
11:03	waxhead	bowtie, no worries, I'll read the other 2
11:05	Hyppolit	svn: r16235 \| azawawi++ \| http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16235
11:05		Update only current line annotation when you move your cursor to it. This means you focus on the current line error.
11:05		trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
11:06	azawawi	bowtie: last change really makes a difference when editing a file really quick
11:06		bowtie: less annotations noise Alias++
11:07	bowtie	azawawi, ok I will test now, thanks for asking :)
11:11		azawawi, cool, now we see annotation for first error / warning being displayed, click on colour square hides anno. click on underline show's anno. :) is this the expected outcome :)
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11:14	waxhead	is there no cookbook2 to look at?
11:14		where do I write the event code?
11:15	azawawi	bowtie: yup
11:15		bowtie: better or worse?
11:17	bowtie	azawawi, I think the previous show all should be tied to padre beginner mode only, other wise better, but a bit clunky and probably not obvious to a new user
11:18		waxhead, just for you, One Cookbook 5 Recipes: /home/kevin/src/Padre/Padre/.padre/styles/bowtie.txt No 2 for you
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11:19	Hyppolit	svn: r16236 \| azawawi++ \| http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16236
11:19		More refactoring to the annotation feature i just added
11:19		trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
11:19	El_Che	azawawi: I set-up a solaris smoke servers using Test::Smoke. the code base is ouddated though, you can only choose 5.11.x and lower at config time (you need to change the generated config afterwards). does it ring a bell?
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11:19	waxhead	bowtie, where's that?
11:20	bowtie	waxhead, sorry should be :http://padre.perlide.org/trac/[…]ePluginCookbook02
11:21	azawawi	El_Che: hehe... Wx::Scintilla csw... ?:)
11:21	El_Che	azawawi: let's get the latests perl running on solaris first :)
11:22	waxhead	ARGH!!!
11:22		I don't get it!
11:22		I thought there was a zip file on the page you could down load...
11:23	* waxhead	goes look in the plugin directory
11:23	waxhead	right.. there's a cookbook in the plugins.. :)
11:26	azawawi	bowtie: i'd like the cookbook to be backed up... just in case
11:26		bowtie: you spent a lot of your valuable time doing it
11:26		bowtie: do you maintain a wiki and pod versions?
11:27	bowtie	waxhead, I wanted to have one for each Recipe, but had to combine them, so recipe 01 02 03 have zips, and were amalgamated in to Cookbook with recipe 04 which you will see in trunk as a plugin
11:28		I have copies of all in local trac, but should resync with padre as you rightly say
11:30	* azawawi	runs 'cpan .' to use his own feature again :)
11:30	bowtie	waxhead, as for maintaining, i recently upgraded 1-2-3 to api 2.2. all the integration code is in recipe 05 which chases the curve :)
11:31	waxhead	bowtie, thanks... I can see how it's done better now..
11:31		bowtie, great work with the cookbooks too by the way..
11:32	bowtie	azawawi, can you have another look at Patch-2, check operation, thanks
11:32		waxhead, would you give it a go to please
11:35	Hyppolit	svn: r16237 \| azawawi++ \| http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16237
11:35		More missing wxSTC indicator constants: wxSTC_INDIC_DASH, wxSTC_INDIC_DOTS, wxSTC_INDIC_DOTBOX, wxSTC_INDIC_STRAIGHTBOX :)
11:35		trunk/Wx-Scintilla/cpp/
11:36	bowtie	azawawi, ... --- ... :)
11:36	zenog	waxhead: having fun?
11:37	Hyppolit	svn: r16238 \| azawawi++ \| http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16238
11:37		Updated Changes for Wx::Scintilla 0.29_02 (Another development release that contains 2.29 pre-released Scintilla codebase)
11:37		trunk/Wx-Scintilla/ trunk/Wx-Scintilla/lib/Wx/
11:42		svn: r16239 \| azawawi++ \| http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16239
11:42		Add missing SetEmptySelection to remove any selection and sets the caret at position without scrolling into view
11:42		trunk/Wx-Scintilla/ trunk/Wx-Scintilla/wx-scintilla/include/ trunk/Wx-Scintilla/wx-scintilla/src/
11:43		svn: r16240 \| azawawi++ \| http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16240
11:43		Perl tidy my previous evil commits to Padre::Wx::Syntax
11:43		trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
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11:47	Hyppolit	svn: r16241 \| azawawi++ \| http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16241
11:47		Fix various compilation problems. azawawi--
11:47		trunk/Wx-Scintilla/wx-scintilla/include/
11:48		svn: r16242 \| azawawi++ \| http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16242
11:48		0.29_02 will be released today :)
11:48		trunk/Wx-Scintilla/
11:56	azawawi	btw the idea of warning/error margins are a bit wrong by design
11:57		since you can have multiple error/warnings on the same line
11:57		so it should basically be an error instead of warning in some cases
11:58	bowtie	azawawi, an order of precedence :)
12:01	Hyppolit	svn: r16243 \| azawawi++ \| http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16243
12:01		Exposed SetEmptySelection in XS
12:01		trunk/Wx-Scintilla/XS/
12:06		svn: r16244 \| azawawi++ \| http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16244
12:06		Exposed SetEmptySelection in XS and wrote a dirty test in perl_editor.pl
12:06		trunk/Wx-Scintilla/XS/ trunk/Wx-Scintilla/share/
12:12	waxhead	OMG, this is doing my head in...
12:12		and now I'm just cranky and tired..
12:12	azawawi	Alias_: ping
12:12	waxhead	mind you I now have a dialog showing up
12:12		but can't set anything in it
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12:21	bowtie	waxhead, it you would like me to take a look just give me a url
12:26	Hyppolit	svn: r16245 \| waxhead++ \| http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16245
12:26		added first go at FBP dialog generation
12:26		branches/Padre-Plugin-SVN-take2/ branches/Padre-Plugin-SVN-take2/fbp/ branches/Padre-Plugin-SVN-take2/lib/Padre/Plugin/ branches/Padre-Plugin-SVN-take2/lib/Padre/Plugin/SVN/ branches/Padre-Plugin-SVN-take2/lib/Padre/Plugin/SVN/Dialog/ branches/Padre-Plugin-SVN-take2/lib/Padre/Plugin/SVN/FBP/
12:26	waxhead	bowtie, svn checkout http://svn.perlide.org/padre/b[…]-Plugin-SVN-take2
12:27		bowtie, the code is a mess... but the FBP stuff is based on following your cookbook examples...
12:28	bowtie	waxhead, let me have a look
12:29	Hyppolit	svn: r16246 \| adamk++ \| http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16246
12:29		Removed deprecated function
12:29		trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/
12:31	bowtie	Alias_, local styles ending txt are not being loaded
12:32	waxhead	meh...
12:33		so it seems I should read the wx docs
12:37	Hyppolit	svn: r16247 \| azawawi++ \| http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16247
12:37		Added how much time does syntax checking take
12:37		trunk/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
12:38	shadowpaste	"bowtie" at 217.168.150.38 pasted "waxhead, just for you" (33 lines) at http://paste.scsys.co.uk/144022
12:38	azawawi	cpanm http://cpan.metacpan.org/autho[…]la-0.29_02.tar.gz # nothing major... just new API and the prerelease of Scintilla 2.29
12:39	waxhead	bowtie, thanks
12:39	bowtie	waxhead, i altered title so that I could have 2 copies of P-P-SVN, main issue was in padre interface.
12:40		waxhead, you can apply patch by right clicking on it to get to Patch-2
12:40	waxhead	bowtie, the issue I currently have is interacting with the dialog box
12:41		the on_click_ok isn't picking up my subclassed on_click_ok method
12:41	bowtie	waxhead, plus you are missing event handlers
12:41	waxhead	bowtie, where though?
12:42		So my Padre::Plugin::SVN::Dialog::Commit class inherits from Padre::Plugin::SVN::FBP::Commit
12:42	bowtie	waxhead, if it's ok with you I will do this later as I am expected else ware now :)
12:42	waxhead	in PPSD::Commit I have sub on_click_ok, which simply prints out "OK CLICKED"
12:43		bowtie, that's fine, I'm about to go to bed...
12:43	bowtie	waxhead, night, talk tomorrow ok :)
12:44	waxhead	bowtie, no worries.. :)
12:44		cya
12:44	bowtie	back later 2-3
12:59	Hyppolit	svn: r16248 \| waxhead++ \| http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16248
12:59		small changes, still no dialog interaction
12:59		branches/Padre-Plugin-SVN-take2/fbp/ branches/Padre-Plugin-SVN-take2/lib/Padre/Plugin/ branches/Padre-Plugin-SVN-take2/lib/Padre/Plugin/SVN/Dialog/ branches/Padre-Plugin-SVN-take2/lib/Padre/Plugin/SVN/FBP/
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13:08	* azawawi	starts working on online 'svn diff' preview feature within editor :)
13:09	Alias	azawawi, what is the style constant for variables inside of quotes?
13:09	azawawi	interpolated right?
13:09	Alias	I don't see an obvious candidate
13:09		yeah
13:09	azawawi	i didnt add them and they have no constants
13:09		tell you what...
13:09	Alias	So is it unstyled?
13:09	azawawi	the problem with Wx
13:09		and Wx::STC
13:09	Alias	Or can I read out the constant somehow?
13:10	azawawi	is that Wx::STC does not actually add Wx:: STC constants...
13:10		bad design...
13:10	Alias	I know
13:10	azawawi	i need to add them manually to Wx::
13:10		or we could agree on another place to put them
13:10		Wx::ScintillaTextCtrl::XYZ ?
13:11		and remove the stupid wxSTC prefix
13:11		what do you think?
13:11	Alias	Wx::Scintilla::CONSTANT_NAME?
13:11	azawawi	sure thing
13:11	Alias	I could go with that
13:12	azawawi	ok take a look at share/perl_editor.pl
13:12		inside Wx::Scintilla
13:12		and you'll find your answer... :)
13:12	Alias	ok
13:12	azawawi	basically everything _VAR suffix i think
13:13		# Must be defined by Wx::Scintilla wxSTC_PL_STRING_VAR => 43, wxSTC_PL_XLAT => 44, wxSTC_PL_REGEX_VAR => 54, wxSTC_PL_REGSUBST_VAR => 55, wxSTC_PL_BACKTICKS_VAR => 57, wxSTC_PL_HERE_QQ_VAR => 61, wxSTC_PL_HERE_QX_VAR => 62, wxSTC_PL_STRING_QQ_VAR => 64, wxSTC_PL_STRING_QX_VAR => 65, wxSTC_PL_STRING_QR_VAR => 66,
13:13		sorry for the noise
13:14	sewi_work	azawawi: FYI: there is a paste script in tools/ :-) (Not complaining about the noise)
13:15	Alias	ok
13:16	azawawi	sewi_work: :)
13:17		Alias: how does one detect the current project VCS?
13:17	Alias	Padre::Current->project->vcs
13:17	azawawi	thanks
13:19		Alias: did you try the new annotations. I fixed to only show the one that you're over...
13:19		Alias: s/fixed/fixed it/
13:19	Alias	I'm still not entirely sure
13:19		I think the current line approach isn't quite right either
13:20		Because the odds are it's the line I'm on that I'm breaking as I type
13:20	azawawi	we're experimenting...
13:20	Alias	So it's lots of useless messages
13:20		I'd say there's two places of value
13:20		1. The very first error
13:20		2. Anything I linger over with the mouse pointer
13:20	waxhead	this FBP thing is driving me nuts...
13:21	azawawi	waxhead: it is by design :)
13:21	waxhead	do I have to be at the latest wxFormBuilder?
13:21	Alias	3.1
13:21		Always
13:21		That's the current stable version
13:21	waxhead	I have 3.1.59
13:21	azawawi	i wonder if you could reject 3.2 FBP files...
13:22	waxhead	I have a dialog but can't interact with it
13:22	Alias	azawawi, I've yet to find a useful version number in the XML file
13:22		I admit I haven't looked massively hard
13:22	waxhead	bowtie has been patiently helping me, but I have no idea what's going on...
13:22	azawawi	Alias: nothing yeah...
13:22		Alias: plain stupid from wxFormBuilder
13:22	Alias	ya
13:23		I suppose I could use an evidence approach
13:23		Does it have key X but not key Y, then it must be 3.1
13:23		I REALLY need to do a screencapture showing how to use wxFormBuilder
13:23	waxhead	and every time I generate a new class I have to out () after each of hte constants...
13:23		alias, for dummies like me
13:23	Alias	"out" ?
13:24	waxhead	s/out/put/
13:24	Alias	huh?
13:24		No you don't
13:24	waxhead	yes I do
13:24	Alias	If you do, then something is very very wrong
13:24	waxhead	bareword errors if I don't
13:24	Alias	It means the constants don't exist
13:24		Constants exist at compile time, full stop
13:24	waxhead	bowtie said it was due to linux
13:24	Alias	OTherwise they aren't constants
13:24	waxhead	that's what I thought
13:24	Alias	It's not because it's linux
13:24	waxhead	well WTF then???
13:24		sigh...
13:25		it doesn't effect the layout
13:25		which I'd have thought it would
13:25	Alias	The code is only working by accident
13:25		All the constants are called as run-time functions
13:25		Which are luckily for you loaded by something else
13:26		But it's not your dialog loading the constants it's calling
13:26	waxhead	this is what I end up with $bSizer1->Add( $bSizer6, 0, Wx::ALIGN_BOTTOM() \| Wx::EXPAND(), 5 );
13:26	Hyppolit	Changeset #1 http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/1
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13:27	waxhead	Until I do the () Padre complains of errors
13:28		at the moment I can't even set a Label!
13:28	Alias	paste me the entire generated file
13:28	waxhead	before or after I add the () ?
13:29	Alias	before
13:29		As generated
13:29		You might be getting screwed by the Wx::CONSTANT breakage
13:30	waxhead	ouch.. Ijust had the directory browser crash on undef
13:30		because I saved the file to my Desktop folder
13:31	shadowpaste	"waxhead" at 217.168.150.38 pasted "FBP for alias" (169 lines) at http://paste.scsys.co.uk/144025
13:32	Alias	Are you using Padre 0.91?
13:32		As in, is that version installed on your system?
13:33		I should probably "use Padre::Wx 0.91"
13:33	waxhead	I'm using trunk
13:33		updated from last night
13:34		so I'm coding using ./dev -a
13:34		and when I test the plug in I run ./dev -a again
13:34	Alias	What version is installed?
13:34		hrm
13:34	waxhead	of Padre?
13:34	Alias	I really don't trust -a to behave at all
13:34		Yeah
13:34		Try making that file "use Padre::Wx 0.91"
13:35		Where it is currently "use Padre::Wx"
13:35	waxhead	intsalled padre is 0.90
13:35		the generated file?
13:35	Alias	yeah
13:35		Change the generated file to require Padre::Wx
13:36		I think your code is loading the system Padre::Wx
13:36		Or something similar
13:36		Some how
13:37		Padre::Wx 0.91 defines the constants in that generated module
13:37		But Padre::Wx 0.90 does not
13:37		So I think somehow it's loading the wrong version
13:38		I might even change the plugin code to do that
13:38	waxhead	Interesting... chaning it to that throws the error "this is Padre 0.90"
13:38	Alias	Bingo
13:38		There's your problem
13:38	waxhead	So after all of that pain....
13:38		sigh...
13:38		so how do I test this thing then?
13:40		wait for padre 0.92? :)
13:50		OK I'm really going to bed now...
13:50		night
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14:14	bowtie	Alias, are you saying that adding () to end of bareword will brake a plugins dialog ?
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14:22	bowtie	garu, have you seen: #1267 with reference to http://irclog.perlgeek.de/padr[…]1-09-13#i_4418954
14:22	Hyppolit	# 1267 : dummy package to negate warning: DIE: Can't locate Wx/Loader/Custom.pm in @INC (new enhancement) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/1267 ]
14:25	Alias	bowtie: No, it won't break it
14:25		But without it, it ONLY works if the constant is correctly defined
14:25		With a () it will compile even if the constant doesn't exist at compile time
14:25		And then turns up later as a function
14:26		It might still work, but it will incur the cost of a function call and won't optimise away
14:26	bowtie	Alias, so the constant issue will be resolved when 0.92 is released
14:26	Alias	In this case, yeah
14:27		Or if you install a particularly stable revision of trunk to your system
14:27	bowtie	cool
14:27	Alias	Which is how I deal with it
14:27	bowtie	Alias, so do you have any feedback for me ?
14:28	Hyppolit	svn: r16249 \| azawawi++ \| http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16249
14:28		Added experimental saved document differences feature
14:28		trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/ trunk/Padre/t/
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14:53	bowtie	Alias, any ideas about #1324
14:53	Hyppolit	# 1324 : One of our features is missing... Skelton Build or Module::Starter (new defect) by azawawi [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/[…]et/1324#comment:2 ]
14:54	Alias	We definitely need something better than module starter
14:56	Hyppolit	svn: r16250 \| azawawi++ \| http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16250
14:56		Introducing online saved file version checking margins.... :)
14:56		trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
14:57	azawawi	feature_saved_document_diffs => True # and you're set! :)
14:57		i just need to make it task based and cooperate with syntax checker annotations
14:58		you'll see the changes you make right away from the saved document...
14:58		no more switching to tortoisesvn
14:58		or other version stuff...
14:58		to simply see what changes you made
14:58		El_Che: netbeans editor is coming to Padre as a subsystem :)
15:04	Hyppolit	svn: r16251 \| azawawi++ \| http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16251
15:04		Yellow marker for an added text (diff), red marker for removed text (diff)
15:04		trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
15:09		svn: r16252 \| azawawi++ \| http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16252
15:09		Updated Changes
15:09		trunk/Padre/
15:09	zenog	azawawi: How do you mean that NetBeans thingy?
15:09		(curious)
15:10	azawawi	when you delete a line, it diff against saved document and shows you what changed...
15:10		in the margins
15:10		delete/add a line etc
15:10		still crude but will enhance
15:11		and it is not task-based at the moment
15:11		but fires as type (dwell)
15:11		s/type/as you type/
15:12		zenog: basically something similar to http://versioncontrol.netbeans[…]mages/left-UI.png in the final version
15:12		zenog: where you can preview/revert changes to saved document...
15:13		zenog: without the assistance of svn\|git diff etc...
15:15	zenog	azawawi: oh nice
15:15	azawawi	basically diff against saved
15:15		later diff against your choice of vcs :)
15:16		detect vcs
15:16		start diffing against it
15:16	zenog	azawawi++
15:16	bowtie	azawawi, what do I have to do to see your new option?
15:17	azawawi	simply Enable feature_saved_document_diffs
15:17		no need to restart
15:17		and start typing ...
15:18		use a saved document ofcourse :)
15:18		ok got to go now home...
15:18		home sweet home :)
15:19	* azawawi	home &
15:19	azawawi	bowtie, zenog: please let me know what you think would be cool to add to it
15:19		feedback is appreciated
15:19		cya
15:25	zenog	azawawi: If it runs smoothly, it is a nice feature. MonoDevelop has something similar.
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15:30	cluelessnewbie	Hi, I'd like to install a stable release of Padre. I'm running a fresh install of Natty Narwhal.
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15:34	garu	bowtie: I haven't. Thanks for pointing it out :)
15:35	cluelessnewbie	Suggestions as to how to get this working would be greatly appreciated.
15:35	Alias	cpan Padre
15:37	bowtie	garu, I got feed up so just came up with a nasty little hack, I think this is a linux world issue but would like to no more
15:39	cluelessnewbie	Alias: using the system perl?
15:39	Alias	Worth a shot :)
15:39		What does the Padre website say?
15:39	cluelessnewbie	Padre website leaves me confused ...
15:42		I'm not much with Linux --- and under Windows, I just ppm'd it and it was up and running ...
15:44	zenog	cluelessnewbie: The system perl is no problem at all on Ubuntu.
15:48	cluelessnewbie	zenog: azawawi said "hmmm bad :)" when I told him that. he suggested perlbrew.
15:49		zenog: so I reinstalled Natty, discarded LibreOffice, installed the upgrades, installed perlbrew, installed 5.14.1 under perlbrew
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15:50	cluelessnewbie	and now I want to get a stable release of Padre up so I can get back to work
15:50	zenog	cluelessnewbie: hm. I never had problems on Ubuntu with the original Perl, so I never tried perlbrew. Some people love perlbrew.
15:51		cluelessnewbie: What I would suggest: Install Padre via apt-get (to get all dependencies wrt. Wx etc.), try whether this works.
15:51		cluelessnewbie: Then remove the Padre package again, but not the dependencies.
15:51		cluelessnewbie: Then cpan Padre
15:52	cluelessnewbie	Please remember I'm clueless newbie for a reason ... so let's see if I got this correct ...
15:52		do the sudo apt-get install Padre
15:53		then I need to pmuninstall Padre
15:54		then I need to sudo cpan Padre
15:54		what about the wx problems?
15:56		according to the install instructions: Apparently Ubuntu 11.04 also comes with broken wxWidgets or broken Wx. see here too
15:56	Alias	What version does apt-get give you?
15:56		Out of curiosity
15:57	cluelessnewbie	haven't tried it yet! should I?
15:57	Alias	If you just want a stable version, lets start with the actual Debian version
15:58		It's going to be oldish, but it entirely depends on what you need
15:58		Like most things Debian, it may well be good enough
15:58	cluelessnewbie	that the "sudo apt-get install Padre", right?
15:58	Alias	Yup
15:58		Not like you can't uninstall it easily if it doesn't work
15:59	cluelessnewbie	here it goes ...
16:00	garu	cluelessnewbie: wait
16:00		cluelessnewbie: do you have perlbrew installed and running already?
16:00		or was it just a suggestion?
16:00	cluelessnewbie	yes I do have perlbrew installed and perlbrew install perl-5.14.1 done
16:01	garu	ok
16:01		then you can try installing padre without the sudo
16:01		cluelessnewbie: if you type "perl -v" what version do you see?
16:01		(in the terminal, as your regular user)
16:02	Alias	garu: You realise you're walking someone in a hurry through a manual approach?
16:02		And won't Wx be out of date and such?
16:02	cluelessnewbie	without perlbrew use I get 5.10.1
16:03		but I can perlbrew use perl-5.14.1
16:03	garu	Alias: not really. I'm just thinking he/she won't see padre installed as root if perlbrew is active for his/her current user
16:03	Alias	oh
16:04	garu	cluelessnewbie: and you have installed it as "perlbrew install perl-5.14.1", right?
16:04	cluelessnewbie	the apt-get got start before garu said wait ...
16:04		and padre finished installing ...
16:04	garu	cluelessnewbie: not a problem. did it work?
16:05	cluelessnewbie	It started up just fine ...
16:05	garu	.oO( it's that "..." that scares me )
16:05	cluelessnewbie	so I can get back to coding my daemon
16:06		I thank you garu and you Alias
16:06		and hope I don't have a wx problem
16:06	garu	cluelessnewbie: good. Just remember that perlbrew messes with your environment in order to let you play with a local perl. And if you're going to use it for padre, make sure you install it with threads support
16:06	Alias	What version is out, out of curiosity
16:07		is it
16:07	cluelessnewbie	it says padre 0.76
16:08	garu	cluelessnewbie: meaning "perlbrew install perl-5.14.1" won't work, and you'll have to remove it and "perlbrew install perl-5.14.1 -Dusethreads" instead
16:08		(or stick with system perl)
16:08	cluelessnewbie	I did do it with -Dusethreads
16:08	garu	perfect then :)
16:09	cluelessnewbie	To upgrade, all I need to do, is use the system perl, do a "pmuninstall padre", followed by a sudo cpan padre right?
16:10	garu	cluelessnewbie: "sudo cpan Padre" (note the caps) should suffice I think. cpan automatically upgrades the previous version, you don't have to uninstall it beforehand
16:11		though
16:11		I have encountered problems doing "sudo cpan Foo" in ubuntu. A safer approach (to me) was to "sudo su; cpan Foo"
16:12	cluelessnewbie	sudo cpan Padre now running
16:13		yes
16:13		yes
16:28		now running "Padre 0.90" ----
16:29		Woot!
16:29	zenog	cluelessnewbie: nice
16:29	cluelessnewbie	Again, thanks to Awawawi, Alias, garu, zenog etc
16:30	garu	cluelessnewbie: have fun :)
16:31	cluelessnewbie	I'm trying to get my auto test daemon working ... you edit a "file" and everything that uses that script/module is automatically retested ...
16:43	Hyppolit	# 1321 : Repeated reloads in Padre locks keyboard and mouse. (new defect) by cluelessnewbie [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/[…]et/1321#comment:1 ]
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17:02	mishin	Hi anybody help how add shortcuts to function in My.pm ??
17:03	zenog	&
17:05	mishin	it's i understand that if you add & to title of function '&Replace_slash' then you can go here with alt, but i want invoke function with key like CTRL-ALT-F3
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17:53	Alias	Trickier
17:54		Actually...
17:54		Assuming you aren't using an action it's tab
17:54		Visible Label\tCtrl-Alt-F3
17:54		"Visible Label\tCtrl-Alt-F3"
17:54		I believe...
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18:15	mishin	genius ;)) many thanks
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19:47	cluelessnewbie	So where do I find the file to make the changeset of 14398
20:31	Sewi	r14398
20:31	Hyppolit	Changeset #14398 http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/14398
20:32	Sewi	simply do "svn update"
21:04	Hyppolit	svn: r16253 \| bowtie++ \| http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16253
21:04		waxhead some patches for you and a fbp,
21:04		I have given you patches, rather than change your files
21:04		plus a new fbp, see recipe05 for why
21:04		you need to use fbp >= 3.1.70
21:04		hope this helps
21:04		branches/Padre-Plugin-SVN-take2/ branches/Padre-Plugin-SVN-take2/lib/Padre/Plugin/ branches/Padre-Plugin-SVN-take2/lib/Padre/Plugin/SVN/Dialog/ branches/Padre-Plugin-SVN-take2/lib/Padre/Plugin/SVN/FBP/
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22:07	FrDarryl	Greetings. First time in live Padre support venue.
22:09	bowtie	FrDarryl, and your question is
22:11	FrDarryl	Thanks. I'm having trouble getting replace/regexp to recognise back-references. From: (foo)(bar) To: \2\1 just results in literals: \2\1
22:12		running Padre 90
22:13	bowtie	FrDarryl, have you looked at Tools -> RegEx Editor
22:14	FrDarryl	Had a glance. Thought it was more of a sandbox versus current buffer editor.
22:15	bowtie	FrDarryl, would you like to register and create a ticket with your issue?
22:19	FrDarryl	Sure, if it's a bug versus operator error. I think Scintilla supports the \d back-reference substitution syntax.
22:20	bowtie	FrDarryl, most are asleep now
22:20		please follow lead and register
22:20	FrDarryl	righty-ho
22:20	bowtie	Hyppolit, trac!
22:20	Hyppolit	Trac registration opened for 5 minutes. Please visit http://padre.perlide.org/trac/register to register
22:25		Trac registration closed
22:48		# 1325 : Backreference substitution not working in Replace dialog (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/1325 ]
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