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00:53 Topic for #padre is now Latest Padre is 0.90 - For installation see http://padre.perlide.org/trac/wiki/Download | Log: http://perlide.org/irclogs/ and http://irclog.perlgeek.de/padre/today | Pasting: http://scsys.co.uk:8001
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02:39 Hyppolit svn: r16519 | submersible_toaster++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16519
02:39 Hyppolit address the issue with deletion of wide chars by using the length passed by STC_MODIFIED rather than inferring length on the receiving side.
02:39 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-Swarm/l​ib/Padre/Plugin/Swarm/Wx/
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03:41 Hyppolit svn: r16520 | submersible_toaster++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16520
03:41 Hyppolit prevent remote delta from being collected in the local editor undo buffer. Hopefully less insane than bleeding all edits together into the buffer.
03:41 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-Swarm/l​ib/Padre/Plugin/Swarm/Wx/
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06:53 Hyppolit svn: r16521 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16521
06:53 Hyppolit Don't do a wide lock around everything, as each refresh function should be doing update locks independantly.
06:53 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
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06:59 azawawi good morning #padre
07:00 azawawi good morning slow 'cpan .' on win32 :)
07:00 azawawi hehe
07:08 Hyppolit svn: r16522 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16522
07:08 Hyppolit Part 2 of Style 2.0
07:08 Hyppolit
07:08 Hyppolit Further generalised styles as Padre::Theme, where a "style" is now a single styling method call sequence, and a theme is a family of these themes that apply in various contexts.
07:08 Hyppolit
07:08 Hyppolit GUI themes can now in principle style different parts of the GUI separately.
07:08 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Role/ trunk/Padre/share/ trunk/Padre/share/styles/ trunk/Padre/share/themes/ trunk/Padre/t/
07:09 azawawi Alias: does it change themes on an hourly basis like Windows 7? :)
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07:28 azawawi Alias: xt/badcode.t still warns about using Wx in Config.pm ...
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07:33 bowtie gm
07:33 azawawi gm 2u2 :)
07:33 bowtie lol
07:34 Hyppolit svn: r16523 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16523
07:34 Hyppolit Closing About dialog in Padre.fbp :)
07:34 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/
07:41 bowtie Alias, I do like the new close button, Tool -> Preferences kills padre, :(
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07:55 Alias azawawi, I have a solution for that badcode issue, I'll deal with it last
07:57 bowtie Alias, I have rolled back to 16518, because 16522 is killing me :(
07:57 Alias Kill you every time?
07:57 Alias I'll run the test suite and see
07:58 bowtie Alias, hello,
08:07 Hyppolit svn: r16524 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16524
08:07 Hyppolit Replaced the root 'status' line from the find in files tree control with a text box at the top. This looks more professional and compact or so i think... :)
08:07 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/FBP/FindInFiles/
08:08 Hyppolit svn: r16525 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16525
08:08 Hyppolit Removed the help folder root image...
08:08 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
08:12 azawawi Alias: ping
08:20 Hyppolit svn: r16526 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16526
08:20 Hyppolit Added a stop search button for those slow find in files searches
08:20 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/FBP/FindInFiles/
08:33 azawawi lovely q{find in files}... my precious :)
08:36 azawawi Alias: any chance you could release 0.04 to the public of P:P:FormBuilder? :)
08:38 Alias azawawi: I think it might require 0.91 atm
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08:44 bowtie Alias, any luck with Tool -> Preferences kills padre?
08:44 Alias Working on it
08:44 bowtie cool :)
08:47 Hyppolit svn: r16527 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16527
08:47 Hyppolit This should fix it
08:47 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Role/
08:48 bowtie Nope :(
08:50 bowtie azawawi, find in files is cool, have you found The ring :)
08:50 azawawi http://ahmadzawawi.blogspot.com/201​1/09/padres-new-find-in-files.html  :)
08:52 Hyppolit svn: r16528 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16528
08:52 Hyppolit Added blog post "Finding files in Padre" by $myself :)
08:52 Hyppolit trunk/template.padre.perlide.org/data/
08:52 azawawi Padre's propaganda machine :)
08:54 Hyppolit svn: r16529 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16529
08:54 Hyppolit Missing class
08:54 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Choice/
08:55 bowtie Nope :(
08:56 * azawawi is working on "Move "Key bindings" to Preferences 2.0" now... :)
08:57 Alias worksforme
08:57 Alias More error information needed
09:06 bowtie Alias, Tools -> Preferences is still killing Padre, with no errors :(
09:06 azawawi bowtie: just opening it?
09:07 azawawi bowtie: let me investigate...
09:07 azawawi bowtie: or saving?
09:07 bowtie azawawi, yes, just opening, much faster than exit :)
09:08 Alias Does your test suite pass?
09:08 * azawawi runs 'cpan .' on trunk
09:09 bowtie Alias, what do you want me to run?
09:09 * azawawi runs ultra slow 'cpan .' on trunk... hint.. hint... Alias :)
09:09 azawawi Alias: where can i fix it?
09:09 Alias azawawi, I've tried a couple of times, problem is more complex than you might think
09:09 azawawi Alias: Makefile stuff?
09:09 Alias yeah
09:10 azawawi Alias: dont worry... Makefile is my game :)
09:10 Alias Ironically, File::ShareDir::Install does it right, but only works with MakeMaker
09:10 Alias Look at Module::Install::Share
09:10 azawawi just point me to the first step and i'll continue
09:10 bowtie Alias, i normally just run perl Makefil.Pl and make, I will run make test now, ok
09:11 azawawi give me a quest so i can solo or do it with a party... :)
09:11 azawawi oops
09:11 azawawi :)
09:12 azawawi bowtie: please continue your great work in About 2.0 :)
09:13 * azawawi works on Padre.fbp to continue moving key bindings 2.0 into prefs 2.0... the 2.0 is annoying :)
09:13 shadowpaste "bowtie" at 217.168.150.38 pasted "test failure" (21 lines) at http://paste.scsys.co.uk/145589
09:17 bowtie Alias, do I have to flush my config.yml to fix this, Ouch
09:17 Alias Shouldn't have to
09:17 bowtie or can I get a default config.yml to view?
09:18 Alias azawawi, the basic idea is that you can't use manual steps like on Unix
09:18 Alias azawawi, because each step spawns Perl
09:18 Hyppolit svn: r16530 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16530
09:18 Hyppolit Fixed button keyboard shortcut in Preferences 2.0 like it was in Prefs 1.0. That was annoying me a lot lately :)
09:18 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/FBP/
09:18 Alias azawawi, so you need to spawn Perl once, and do the entire share -> blib "identify new stuff and copy it" inside of Perl in one go
09:18 Alias azawawi, similar to ExtUtils::Install::pm_to_blib
09:19 Alias And then use Makefile to spawn that
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09:19 azawawi and M:B by design does that... ofcourse
09:19 azawawi or by idea... :)
09:19 Alias M:B keeps everything inside of Perl yeah
09:19 Alias It's just having M:B available in any kind of guarenteed way that sucks
09:20 Alias Once you do that, the locale stuff should optimise away as well and we won't regenerate the locale files every time too
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09:27 Hyppolit svn: r16531 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16531
09:27 Hyppolit Remove dead variables in Padre::Wx::FindInFiles
09:27 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
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09:38 bowtie Alias, I have just reset Padre, tests still fail, as this is the default contents:
09:38 bowtie ---
09:38 bowtie Version: 0.91
09:38 bowtie nth_startup: 2
09:38 bowtie version: 1
09:38 bowtie Invalid or empty options for config 'editor_style' at /usr/src/Padre/Padre/lib/Padre/Config.pm line 86
09:44 Hyppolit svn: r16532 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16532
09:44 Hyppolit "Move Keybindings to Preferences 2.0" (step 2)
09:44 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/FBP/
09:52 Alias ok, I can work with that
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09:57 azawawi Alias: please fix... this one...
09:57 Alias Trying to replicate
09:57 azawawi Alias: EVT_CHAR needs only one argument... instead of two
09:57 Alias ok
09:59 Hyppolit svn: r16533 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16533
09:59 Hyppolit Preferences key bindings migration... (step 3 of X) :)
09:59 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/FBP/
10:01 ecocode szabgab: if you don't come to Belgium for Fosdem, you might be interested to come for bpw on 15 october ?
10:01 azawawi Alias: keybindings in a role right in Preferences?
10:01 azawawi Alias: key binding actions i.e.
10:12 Hyppolit svn: r16534 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16534
10:12 Hyppolit Disabled EVT_CHAR for now since it does not work in Padre::Plugin::FormBuilder. Added key bindings methods to update the list along with the rest of the event. Now im trying to figure out why it is not working? :)
10:12 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
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10:19 submersible_toaster ok - who boned preferences dialog?
10:22 azawawi me me :)
10:23 azawawi submersible_toaster: im moving key bindings into preferences
10:24 azawawi Alias: ping
10:25 Hyppolit svn: r16535 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16535
10:25 Hyppolit More fixes to the preferences key bindings. Padre::Plugin::FormBuilder is lacking a lot. Needs to be fixed
10:25 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/FBP/
10:26 Hyppolit svn: r16536 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16536
10:26 Hyppolit Remove the sizer re-layout since Padre::Plugin::FormBuilder stores sizer in local vars instead of in $self
10:26 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
10:27 zenog azawawi++
10:28 zenog (for general awesomeness)
10:29 Hyppolit svn: r16537 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16537
10:29 Hyppolit Added remaining stuff to make key bindings work in preferences 2.0. The menu bar rebuilding code is not there though
10:29 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
10:31 Hyppolit svn: r16538 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16538
10:31 Hyppolit Key bindings has been official moved into Preferences 2.0
10:31 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Menu/
10:37 Hyppolit svn: r16539 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16539
10:37 Hyppolit Recreate menu bar after saving configuration to activate key bindings :) and More tooltips :)
10:37 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/FBP/
10:38 Hyppolit svn: r16540 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16540
10:38 Hyppolit Updated Changes
10:38 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/
10:39 Hyppolit svn: r16541 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16541
10:39 Hyppolit Bye bye Padre::Wx::Dialog::KeyBindings. My $precious :)
10:39 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
10:40 azawawi please report if key bindings croaks or something after the upgrade...
10:40 azawawi i have like 20 mins and then i have to go home :)
10:40 * azawawi deletes TODO "Move key bindings dialog to preferences 2.x" :)
10:42 Hyppolit svn: r16542 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16542
10:42 Hyppolit A minor comment typo
10:42 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
10:42 bowtie azawawi, Tools -> Preferences still kills Padre, on trying to open :)
10:42 azawawi bowtie: my guess it is Padre::Config
10:42 azawawi bowtie: please try this
10:43 bowtie ?
10:43 azawawi hmmm i think editor_style is the cause of all of these problems
10:43 azawawi options => Padre::Wx::Theme->options,
10:43 azawawi in Padre::Config
10:44 bowtie snap
10:44 azawawi Alias: why are using Wx in Padre::Config. Does not that conflict with xt/badcode.t ?
10:44 Alias Shut up, yes it does :)
10:45 Hyppolit svn: r16543 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16543
10:45 Hyppolit safe Perl tidy for Padre::Wx::Dialog::Preferences and Padre::Wx::Main
10:45 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
10:45 azawawi :)
10:45 azawawi who wrote xt/badcode.t ? :)
10:48 azawawi ok two things on my mind... EVT_CHAR generated code is wrong in P:P:FormBuilder and my $sizer should be exposed as $self->{sizer}. I need that to do some interesting stuff with relayout/hidden panels
10:48 * azawawi runs 'cpan .' again to make sure he didnt break something or anything :)
10:49 azawawi or everything... :)
10:50 azawawi Alias: should we write roles to provide methods in preferences for additional panels or cut and paste like i did in key bindings :)
10:51 azawawi yup i seem to have broken t/76_preferences.t
10:51 Alias Cut and paste the first few times
10:51 Alias If it looks like you're going to be doing something five or a dozen times, look at a role
10:51 azawawi though so
10:52 azawawi but somehow we need a way to organize stuff a bit better in preferences. i trust you'll refactor it :)
10:54 Alias I'm good at that :)
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11:14 Hyppolit svn: r16544 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16544
11:14 Hyppolit Handle undefined action labels (e.g. view.close_panel)
11:14 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
11:14 azawawi this fixes  t/76_preferences.t :)
11:14 azawawi along with a couple of undefined action label warnings...
11:15 * azawawi runs 'cpan .' again
11:17 azawawi Now that's called burst commit spree :)
11:17 bowtie azawawi, I still get: Invalid or empty options for config 'editor_style' at /usr/src/Padre/Padre/lib/Padre/Config.pm line 86
11:18 bowtie and T-Preferances still kills padre
11:18 azawawi hmmm
11:19 azawawi perl dev --die
11:19 azawawi please
11:19 bowtie try perl dev -a -- --reset makes thing worse, nb don't forget to save first
11:19 bowtie ok
11:20 azawawi it is something in Padre::Wx::Theme::options
11:20 azawawi debug it :)
11:21 bowtie it was caused by 16521/2
11:22 azawawi hmm my allocated time for hacking is over...
11:22 azawawi unfortunately
11:23 bowtie because when I rolled back it fixed it, when we went from style to theme
11:23 azawawi married life takes over :)
11:23 azawawi higher priority tasks :)
11:23 azawawi or else... :)
11:23 bowtie sure be good :)
11:23 azawawi ok i'll see if i can see it tonight
11:24 azawawi but my plan is to continue with the full diff  window
11:24 azawawi and add it to refactoring/configuration/... basically everything in Padre will be diff-able :)
11:25 * azawawi home &
11:46 szabgab ecocode: interested yes, but I am already busy on 15 October
11:51 ecocode szabgab: yep, we know we are late… sorry to read you can't make it. (we have delicious chocolate here ;) )
11:51 szabgab hmm the pot generation has some real troubl, trying to investigate now
11:51 szabgab ecocode: I really like the quack though :)
11:52 szabgab ecocode: is there anyone already organizing a Perl dev room and a Perl booth at FOSDEM?
11:52 szabgab anyone with xgettext expertise here? I get:lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/Patch.pm:490: invalid variable interpolation at "$"
11:54 ecocode szabgab: AFAIK nobody for Fosdem yet
11:56 ecocode perhaps we could create a team at bpw if we have enough people. Otherwise I'm afraid I'll have to cancel tomorrow
11:57 szabgab ecocode: cancel what?
11:57 ecocode bpw
11:57 szabgab oh you wanted to have a team for bpw?
11:57 szabgab or for fosdem?
11:59 ecocode nope, I can try to create a team for Fosdem with the people present at bow ;)
11:59 ecocode pw
11:59 El_Che hi ecocode
12:00 El_Che aka eric
12:00 El_Che :)
12:00 ecocode yep ?
12:00 El_Che me aka claudio
12:00 ecocode eri_k_
12:00 El_Che :)
12:01 szabgab El_Khe :)
12:01 ecocode lol
12:02 ecocode El_Che: you come to bpw ?
12:02 szabgab test 76 fails for me
12:02 Hyppolit svn: r16545 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16545
12:02 Hyppolit fix a gettext interpolation issue
12:02 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
12:04 Hyppolit svn: r16546 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16546
12:04 Hyppolit fix a gettext interpolation issue
12:04 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
12:05 El_Che ecocode: yes, I am planning to.
12:06 Hyppolit svn: r16547 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16547
12:06 Hyppolit fix a gettext interpolation issue
12:06 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
12:06 ecocode great! so please put your info on the site as we have to decide tomorrow if we cancel the event or not
12:07 ecocode El_Che: and spread the word !
12:07 bowtie szabgab, this is to make translation work?
12:07 szabgab bowtie: yes, the pot generator cannot handle inline interpolation
12:08 bowtie cool, thanks
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12:08 bowtie szabgab++
12:08 szabgab ecocode: I put it in the Weekly and it got I think 20 clicks
12:09 szabgab 24 actually
12:09 ecocode yep saw that… one of the clicks was mine ;)
12:09 Hyppolit svn: r16548 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16548
12:09 Hyppolit Update the messages.pot file
12:09 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/share/locale/
12:09 ecocode thanks for the publicity!
12:09 szabgab bowtie: see the crontab now worked
12:09 szabgab ecocode: you are welcome, that's part of the reason I created the weekly
12:09 ecocode your Weekly mail does a hell of a job in promoting Perl
12:10 szabgab to try to engage the people who are not reading the blogs regularly
12:10 szabgab there aer now 1100+ subscribers
12:10 szabgab I think itis quite good
12:12 El_Che bbl
12:13 ecocode bbl ?
12:13 El_Che be back later
12:13 El_Che (of bank brussel lambert)
12:14 ecocode szabgab: rather big audience after only a few of them. impressive
12:14 ecocode did you expect this ?
12:15 szabgab I did not know what to expect, on one hand the similar Ruby list got a more than 1K subscribers in 2 ays
12:15 szabgab days
12:16 szabgab otoh this is perl, it is hard to get people motivated
12:16 szabgab as you can see at bpw
12:17 ecocode yep
12:17 Hyppolit svn: r16549 | bowtie++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16549
12:17 Hyppolit tweak Info, add some dynamic output
12:17 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
12:17 szabgab someone called Angelina Jones just put me in her circle on G+ :)
12:17 szabgab shall I be happy now ?
12:18 ecocode ask her to join bpw
12:18 szabgab I woner if she put me in the "great guys" circle or in the "freaks" circle ?
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12:32 szabgab ecocode: this is not the Jolie
12:33 ecocode ah, I see you've got her picture then ;)
12:36 szabgab ecocode: I wonder if you had a list of "people using Perl in Belgium"
12:36 szabgab that you can inform every time you have a workshop
12:36 szabgab beyond the PM group
12:36 ecocode not really
12:36 ecocode hmm… not at all in fact
12:36 ecocode do you for Israel?
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12:37 szabgab not really either, I should work on that though
12:37 szabgab I guess none of us have
12:37 ecocode do you know if there's a mailing list which is read by a lot of fosdem people ?
12:37 ecocode That would help
12:37 szabgab I have my own CRM for my company but it is really bad and I cannot mail my ex students with them
12:38 szabgab ecocode: you mean fosdem and perl people or just fosdem?
12:38 ecocode well it could interest other people like python coders maybe… so I would like a more general ml
12:39 szabgab there are various fosdem orga lists I guess
12:39 szabgab I am on the http://lists.fosdem.org/listinfo/fosdem list where there ae 600 subscribers - as I just read
12:39 ecocode that's for the orga's and I guess you've seen there pretty fosdem-only minded
12:40 szabgab You might ask Pascal Bleser directly for some help
12:40 szabgab if you are looking for help to promote bpw
12:41 ecocode It would be a good idea for Fosdem to publish OS events somewhere
12:42 szabgab I think I agree
12:42 szabgab there are a couple of plaes to publish events
12:42 szabgab but you could also start the Belgian section of http://startupdigest.com/europe/
12:52 ecocode that is somewhat out of scoop Ithink
12:52 ecocode but maybe
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13:11 Hyppolit svn: r16550 | bowtie++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16550
13:11 Hyppolit tweak System Info, now mimics About-Info
13:11 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
13:23 Hyppolit svn: r16551 | bowtie++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16551
13:23 Hyppolit tweak System Info, that will do for phase one
13:23 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
13:24 pmurias what's the Wx channel?
13:25 ecocode #wxperl ?
13:25 bowtie pmurias, is that directed at me?
13:31 pmurias bowtie: ?
13:32 * pmurias has trouble installing Wx
13:32 pmurias is cpanm Wx supposed to just work on strawberry perl on windows vista?
13:33 bowtie pmurias, I am on linux, but the current versions of Wx expected by Padre are
13:33 bowtie Wx...
13:33 bowtie Wx 0.9901
13:33 bowtie WxWidgets 2.8.11
13:33 bowtie Alien::wxWidgets 0.52
13:33 bowtie Wx::Perl::ProcessStream 0.30
13:33 bowtie hope this helps
13:34 pmurias getting it to work on linux is easy ;)
13:34 bowtie szabgab, ping
13:35 bowtie pmurias, wait for szadbab :)
13:38 bowtie opps s/szadbab/szabgab/ :(
13:40 sewi_work szabgab: Will you visit YAPC::EU 2012?
13:42 Hyppolit svn: r16552 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16552
13:42 Hyppolit Fix spelling typo. szabgab++ :)
13:42 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
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14:09 dolmen Alias: could you remove the i18n_trim option when generating dialogs from FBP? This not smart at all.
14:09 Alias dolmen: What if I generate the ':' as _T(':') and in fr you defined it as ' :' ?
14:10 dolmen Alias: you are expecting that punctuation characters do not have to be translated, but this is a bad idea
14:10 dolmen Alias: there is also a problem for leading "&"
14:10 Alias I was hoping not to have to retranslate everything just because we add or remove a ... or a :
14:10 Alias I don't strip leading '&'
14:11 Alias I only remove ... and : specifically
14:11 daxim don't do that.  that's what fuzzy matches in po-editors are for
14:13 zenog punctuation characters need to be part of the translated string - they may be at different places etc.
14:13 zenog e.g. Spanish exclamation marks are different from English ones
14:14 zenog Alias: Don't worry about the translators, such things are really quick to do ...
14:14 Alias ok then
14:14 daxim ellipsis and colon in chinese: ……   :
14:17 dolmen Alias: it is always better to have too many strings to translate, than too few
14:17 Alias ok
14:22 dolmen Alias: The colon is what makes a difference between the same label text used in a menu entry and a static text widget. And it is useful to be able to translate the two contexts with two different strings.
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14:23 Alias ok ok, I'll change it jeez
14:23 Alias Of course, this will break all the translation again :(
14:24 dolmen the messages.pot was not updated since 2011-09-06, so that is not much an issue
14:24 Alias oh
14:25 dolmen Alias: szabgab fixed the problem a few hours ago
14:26 dolmen (the fix is wrong, but at least it makes the update_pot.pl pass)
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15:12 Hyppolit svn: r16553 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16553
15:12 Hyppolit Update the messages.pot file
15:12 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/share/locale/
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16:27 Hyppolit svn: r16554 | bowtie++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16554
16:27 Hyppolit more tweaking of About2
16:27 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/FBP/
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17:18 Hyppolit svn: r16555 | bowtie++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16555
17:18 Hyppolit We now have an image on first page
17:18 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/FBP/
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17:37 Hyppolit svn: r16556 | bowtie++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16556
17:37 Hyppolit more tweaking of About2
17:37 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/FBP/
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17:45 Hyppolit svn: r16557 | bowtie++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16557
17:45 Hyppolit phase one complete
17:45 Hyppolit a replica of about
17:45 Hyppolit use a png instead of bmp
17:45 Hyppolit critiques welcome
17:45 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/ trunk/Padre/share/
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17:51 jwang quick question, when I upgrade a lot of CPAN modules (and Perl) invariably things break. a lot of the time I don't have an easy way to figure out the magnitude of the breakage so I can decide to fix or let it drift into legacy. Does Padre ( or another method ) have an easy way to show me what's broken in various CPAN trees? I'm thinking of having a stable and dev CPAN local::libs and having a report on breakage on the dev branch
17:52 jnap jwang:  I don't know what Padre can do about this, but I usually try to run continuous tests against my code and against the cpan reps I use, so help spot this in adance
17:53 jnap I find that if I use a modern Perl version and a modern OS and stick with popular code (Catalyst, DBIC, Template Toolkit, etc) that helps a lot as well
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17:55 jwang jnap: thanks. it makes sense to be more proactive and not wait till there are too many changes / releases. The sticking with popular distros makes sense too
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17:57 jnap I've seen a lot of companies get stuck on 5+ year old versions of stuff because they didn't built in CPAN change management in from the beginning
17:58 jnap and for myself, for the most important frameworks I use, I try to be involved in the communities supporting them, that way if I complain about something I am more likely to get some help :)
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17:59 jwang yeah, now that I have a bunch of multi-year projects, I see the importance of keeping CPAN-interop up to date
18:00 jwang jnap: I'm trying to do my part in supporting the community. I now have a great way (IMHO) to read Perl mailing lists: http://grokbase.com/g/perl.org
18:02 jwang it helps me figure out where I might find posts I'm interested in :)
18:02 jnap cool
18:03 jwang I had no idea the beginners list was so popular. I think it might be useful to have a general list, just 'perl' or 'perl-general'
18:06 daxim grokbase is teh suck
18:11 Hyppolit svn: r16558 | bowtie++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16558
18:11 Hyppolit tidy  About2, plus add unicode test so that system info provides requirements to create a new ticket
18:11 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/FBP/
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19:12 Hyppolit svn: r16559 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16559
19:12 Hyppolit Update the messages.pot file
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20:36 Hyppolit svn: r16560 | bowtie++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16560
20:36 Hyppolit Add OUTPUT_AUTOFLUSH and Tidy
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