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IRC log for #padre, 2011-10-12

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00:21 ingy hi
00:22 ingy I just started using padre and using the CPAN installer locked it up
00:22 ingy I installed from Natty
00:36 ingy I think it hangs if cpan is not configged
00:37 ingy I don't see a way to upgrade from the UI
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01:21 Alias The CPAN installer is terrible
01:21 Alias And there is no way to upgrade Padre from the UI
01:22 Alias We encourage initial implementations of things, even if they are busted. Because it's better than nothing
01:22 Alias But there's been no priority to refactor that
01:47 Alias ingy: How are you finding things
01:47 Alias Other than the CPAN installer :)
01:50 ingy hi Alias
01:50 Alias You using the packaged or CPAN version?
01:50 submersible_work we should consider the cpan installer for removal before 1.0 - it has been borked forever
01:50 ingy both now
01:50 Alias submersible_toaster, fix it or remove it, or hide it behind a feature_
01:51 ingy I apt-get installed it, and cpanm upgraded
01:51 Alias But with the core editing tools firming up now, it's time to start revisiting the help/doc tools and features around the edge of the main stuff
01:51 ingy you could just print a msg that you need to config cpan by hand
01:52 Alias Well, on Windows you don't need to :)
01:52 submersible_work i vote remove . at the very least have it announce itself as 'experimental' and 'looking for a contributor'
01:52 Alias But more likely, we rewrite it to use cpanm so it's inherently zero-config on all platforms
01:52 ingy *nobody* uses windows :)
01:52 ingy cpanm++
01:52 ingy that should be a nobrainer
01:52 submersible_work Alias: does it even use ::Task ?
01:53 Alias Not remotely
01:53 ingy for some def of nobrainer
01:53 Alias Loads the entire CPAN index in the foreground
01:53 submersible_work o4fs
01:53 Alias Monsterously evil
01:53 Alias submersible_toaster, it was added in Padre like 0.20
01:53 submersible_work yes I recall
01:53 ingy Alias: I got a patch for M:I
01:54 ingy do you mind if I caretake M:I?
01:54 Alias A little :)
01:54 ingy it seems I'm the only candidate
01:54 ingy I think we talked about this
01:54 ingy I talked you off the ledge iirc
01:55 ingy you were going to give me your release process
01:55 Alias I'd rather keep releasing it and talk about features on a case by case basis :)
01:55 ingy and I was going to use it
01:55 Alias Or keep it in my repo, and you run my release process, right
01:55 ingy Alias: but you've disappeared
01:55 Alias Point
01:55 ingy are you back from the future?
01:56 Alias But I spent SO long removing insanity from M:I
01:56 Alias And your code tends to come 50% insanely great and 50% greatly insane :)
01:56 Alias So it's not so much that I mind someone taking it in principle, it's mostly that you just make me nervous :)
01:56 ingy Alias, I only want to push out simple changes
01:57 ingy nobody else even understands it
01:57 * Alias afk back to work
01:58 ingy Alias: you can be a dick sometimes :)
01:58 Alias I try to limit it to when it's justified
01:58 Alias ;)
01:59 ingy I don't really know what to say
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02:28 Hyppolit svn: r16951 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16951
02:28 Hyppolit - Ported the timeline class mechanism back to ORLite::Migrate, and switch
02:28 Hyppolit from our custom inlined version back to depending on CPAN (ADAMK)
02:28 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/DB/
02:36 Alias_ I'm hoping that doesn't cause any trouble
04:20 Alias_ Please note you'll need to upgrade ORLite::Migrate
04:20 Alias_ There's potential bugs in there as well I haven't flushed out
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07:58 azawawi http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3098435   # Google dart and interesting comments about Perl/Perl 6
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08:47 bowtie gm
08:51 azawawi active park assist with ford... hmmm :)
08:51 azawawi gm :)
08:51 bowtie azawawi, lol
08:52 azawawi bowtie: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3098435  # google dark ... light reading and comments about Perl/Perl 6... sorry for double posting :)
08:55 azawawi bowtie: the funny thing is stuff you read about this guy 'Leo'
08:55 azawawi bowtie: how he annoyed the best Parrot architect.
08:56 bowtie azawawi, plodding my way through :(
08:56 azawawi bowtie: what *about* finishing that dialog? :)
08:57 azawawi bowtie: you finish it and i finish VCS stuff :)
08:57 bowtie azawawi, which one?
08:57 azawawi bowtie: *about* 3.0 dialog? :)
08:58 azawawi we need to continue this effect
08:58 bowtie azawawi, good question :),  what do you think needs doing?
08:59 azawawi if Padre 1.0 is to bear fruits, we need to continually move around, pick up the best, nuke the worst, and improve :)
08:59 azawawi bowtie: sys info
08:59 azawawi bowtie: cancel -> close
08:59 azawawi bowtie: sys info -> info
08:59 azawawi bowtie: all the previous info available in new dialog
08:59 azawawi bowtie: make sure that new dialog is not slower than old dialog... :)
09:00 bowtie azawawi, so you want a Close button ok
09:01 bowtie azawawi, Change tab title to Information ?
09:01 azawawi yup
09:01 azawawi basically try to keep in the information in previous about dialog in the new one
09:01 bowtie info displayed is as befor and wiki trac log ticket info
09:01 azawawi the goal was to create a faster FBP-based About dialog
09:02 azawawi you can do it :)
09:02 bowtie azawawi, it is, 1 sec here compared with 7 before
09:03 azawawi aha but with similar functionality :)
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09:21 Hyppolit svn: r16952 | bowtie++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16952
09:21 Hyppolit change to Close button and Information
09:21 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/FBP/
09:26 Hyppolit # 1342 :  new info/about box should have a "Close" button (closed enhancement) by bowtie  [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1342#comment:2 ]
09:27 azawawi bowtie++
09:28 azawawi also please add a vertical spacer of like 5-10 pixels at the bottom
09:28 azawawi close on win32 seems glued to the border :)
09:29 bowtie azawawi, do you want to add any specific ms test to information to complement the *inux ones
09:29 azawawi not at the atm but please point me to the test file though :)
09:32 bowtie azawawi, have you been on the comedy circuit again ;), I trust there is a previous one to update :)
09:35 Hyppolit svn: r16953 | bowtie++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16953
09:35 Hyppolit change About dialog from 600x620 to 600x630
09:35 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/FBP/
09:36 Hyppolit svn: r16954 | bowtie++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16954
09:36 Hyppolit oops reset version to 0.91
09:36 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/FBP/
09:38 azawawi bowtie: great but too big :)
09:38 bowtie lol
09:38 azawawi bowtie: i would remove like 100 pixels from height
09:41 bowtie azawawi, not possible Translation is the largest, but I await your feedback :)
09:42 azawawi it is small here on win32 :)
09:42 azawawi welcome the cross-platform font size problem :)
09:43 bowtie azawawi, ok wait a minute, I will gen an image
09:44 azawawi no worries, i'll try it on my ubuntu vm
09:45 azawawi "premature optimization" is a big problem in all projects
09:45 azawawi i have been reading the parrot blogs and stuff
09:45 azawawi and really the optimize stuff here & there method does not really work
09:46 azawawi it is a recipe for more failed test cases
09:46 azawawi that is if you have already written good test cases :)
09:46 azawawi or if your code is can be really tested or not
09:46 azawawi (e.g. threads, GUI)
09:47 bowtie azawawi, see: http://padre.perlide.org/trac/a​ttachment/wiki/SandBox/info.png
09:49 azawawi "..The thing that really put me off parrot, and why I stopped following the project, is the fact that it hasn't really made much progress *feature-wise*... "
09:49 azawawi hmmm interesting
09:50 bowtie azawawi, If you give me the name and number I will make a start on the test file :)
09:50 azawawi so more features = more users :)
09:53 bowtie azawawi, only if you know how to use them, other wise the old adage is true, ie you don't need a scientific calculator, just one's complement te-he
09:53 bowtie it's purely down to knowledge
09:54 bowtie It's an illusion,
09:55 bowtie just as retailers use "buy one get one free"
10:07 Hyppolit # 1352 :  improvement suggestions for the new About box (new enhancement) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/1352 ]
10:07 Hyppolit # 1352 :  improvement suggestions for the new About box (new enhancement) new attachment [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/1352 ]
10:12 Hyppolit # 1352 :  improvement suggestions for the new About box (new enhancement) by bowtie  [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1352#comment:1 ]
10:19 Hyppolit # 1352 :  improvement suggestions for the new About box (new enhancement) by zenogantner  [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1352#comment:2 ]
10:19 Hyppolit # 1352 :  improvement suggestions for the new About box (new enhancement) by zenogantner  new attachment [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1352#comment:2 ]
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10:25 Hyppolit # 1352 :  improvement suggestions for the new About box (new enhancement) by zenogantner  new attachment [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1352#comment:2 ]
10:25 Hyppolit # 1352 :  improvement suggestions for the new About box (new enhancement) by bowtie  [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1352#comment:3 ]
10:30 azawawi where is szabgab these days? :)
10:30 azawawi i dont see him around anymore
10:31 azawawi szabgab: ping
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10:49 Hyppolit svn: r16955 | bowtie++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16955
10:49 Hyppolit re -factor _sys_info to _information and more tests
10:49 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/ trunk/Padre/t/
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11:12 Hyppolit svn: r16956 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16956
11:12 Hyppolit Update the messages.pot file
11:12 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/share/locale/
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12:54 zenog Hi, does anyone know how to check out the Padre source from svn in a way that I can make commits? I have a working setup on one machine, but I had no success on the other machine were I tried to set it up ...
12:56 El_Che http://nxadm.wordpress.com/2010/12/10/build​-padre-svn-easily-with-perlbrew-and-cpanm/
12:56 azawawi commits fail?
12:56 El_Che when you commit it will ask for user/pass
12:56 Hyppolit svn: r16957 | zenogantner++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16957
12:56 Hyppolit C# function list: take annotations into account (includes test case)
12:56 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Document/CSharp/ trunk/Padre/t/
12:57 zenog El_Che: on my main machine this is done transparently with ssh keys, but somehow I had no success on the other one.
12:58 El_Che I don't use ssh at all
12:58 El_Che just svn through http
12:58 azawawi me 2
13:02 zenog ah okay
13:03 zenog Hm. svn info also says I use http ;-)
13:03 El_Che the only thing could be that this new places needs a proxy
13:03 zenog But I never have to enter username/password. How did I achieve that?
13:03 El_Che it is cached
13:03 zenog ah
13:04 El_Che or you are a jedi cracker
13:04 zenog hehe
13:04 El_Che the opinion is split 50/50 :)
13:05 zenog OK, then I'll just try to enter my username/password on that other machine and everything will be fine ...
13:05 El_Che "there is no password here"
13:05 El_Che :)
13:05 El_Che zenog: yes
13:05 El_Che proxy info in ~/.subversion if needed
13:05 El_Che IIRC it does not uses the environment proxy values
13:13 Hyppolit # 1352 :  improvement suggestions for the new About box (new enhancement) by zenogantner  [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1352#comment:4 ]
13:16 zenog Does anyone else see funny behaviour when searching in one tab and then switching to another?
13:17 bowtie zenog, hi
13:17 zenog bowtie: hello
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13:18 zenog bowtie: The widgets used inside the About box must be somehow different.
13:18 zenog bowtie: I have no idea how, because I never looked at the code.
13:18 zenog (sorry)
13:19 azawawi metaperl: welcome :)
13:19 metaperl thanks :)
13:19 zenog bowtie: I saw you added the 'Close' button. Thank you for that.
13:19 zenog metaperl: hello
13:19 metaperl zenog: hi
13:20 bowtie zenog, I only used default text and bold, so as not to impose on translation
13:20 bowtie zenog, are you happy with information?
13:21 azawawi metaperl: http://ahmadzawawi.blogspot.com/2011/0​9/padre-differentiates-with-style.html
13:22 bowtie zenog, my intention was to copy past for tickets
13:25 zenog bowtie: I do not really know what the reason is - I just see that the font is different.
13:25 zenog bowtie: Do you know where the .fbp file for the About box is?
13:26 bowtie zenog, yes Padre/padre.fbp use wxFormBuilder 3.1.70
13:27 zenog bowtie: I only have an older version here, will try that later on the other machine.
13:30 bowtie zenog, ubuntu 3.1.59 don't work, azawawi has defined  we use 3.1.70 and not 3.2.3beta, for ubuntu look in launchpad :)
13:32 zenog bowtie: later, now I need to work on my dayjob stuff ...
13:32 bowtie zenog, ok
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14:42 Hyppolit svn: r16958 | bowtie++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16958
14:42 Hyppolit so we can store breakpoints in project padre.yml
14:42 Hyppolit but is this the right thing to do.. messy
14:42 Hyppolit will look next at a common store in CONFIG_DIR
14:42 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-Debug/lib/Padre/Plugin/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Debug/lib/Padre/Plugin/Debug/
14:46 Hyppolit svn: r16959 | zenogantner++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16959
14:46 Hyppolit update C# keywords
14:46 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Document/
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17:02 Hyppolit svn: r16960 | bowtie++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16960
17:02 Hyppolit Add Debug Breakpoints to ConfigDB update 12
17:02 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/DB/
17:04 Hyppolit svn: r16961 | bowtie++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16961
17:04 Hyppolit Add relation DebugBreakpoints to radio box
17:04 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-Cookbook/fbp/Recipe04/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Cookbook/lib/Pa​dre/Plugin/Cookbook/Recipe04/FBP/
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20:57 Hyppolit svn: r16962 | bowtie++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16962
20:57 Hyppolit now we write to DB as well as project padre.yml
20:57 Hyppolit to view DB use Cookbook Recipe-04
20:57 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-Debug/lib/Padre/Plugin/Debug/
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22:41 Hyppolit svn: r16963 | dolmen++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16963
22:41 Hyppolit *.fbp: svn:eol-style set to 'native'
22:41 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/
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23:06 Hyppolit svn: r16964 | dolmen++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16964
23:06 Hyppolit *.fbp: set svn:eol-style to "native"
23:06 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-FormBuilder/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-FormBuilder/t/data/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-ParserTool/
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