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IRC log for #padre, 2011-10-13

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06:48 Hyppolit svn: r16965 | dolmen++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16965
06:48 Hyppolit *.fbp: set eol-style to 'native'
06:48 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-Debug/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Patch/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Swarm/
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06:56 Hyppolit svn: r16966 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16966
06:56 Hyppolit 'Version control' tab is now shown on the right side to free more pixels for 'Syntax check' tab
06:56 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
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07:28 Hyppolit svn: r16967 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16967
07:28 Hyppolit 'Version control' is a right-side panel that conserves your space. Important columns like status, and path are shown now first. The status filter checkboxes are now down at the bottom.
07:28 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/FBP/ trunk/Padre/share/icons/gnome218/16x16/actions/
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07:46 bowtie gm
07:48 bowtie azawawi, just because you move to the right, you don't have to stop working, or the right panel has some focus issues, it's yuck :)
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08:53 bowtie Hyppolit,
08:53 bowtie Hyppolit?
08:53 Hyppolit Hyppolit is a bot currently running version 0.11
08:53 Hyppolit My master is szabgab.
08:53 bowtie szabgab, ping
08:53 El_Che 8kinky
08:54 bowtie El_Che, I think track is down?
08:54 bowtie track -> trac
08:58 El_Che indeed
09:11 El_Che trac is back
09:13 bowtie El_Che, are you sure?
09:20 El_Che yes, I got the page
09:20 El_Che but it took a looooooooooooong time
09:20 El_Che machine surcharged robably
09:21 bowtie El_Che, so it's in need of attention then?
09:25 El_Che oh yes
09:26 El_Che but I don't know who has shell access to the machine besides gabor
09:27 bowtie El_Che, as you are a sys-op I will level it with you :)
09:30 El_Che :)
09:30 El_Che I have had so many hats in my life that I am between hybride identities and full-range schizzo :)
09:33 bowtie El_Che, just another techie then :)
09:43 El_Che oh, that just part of my hat collection :)
09:44 El_Che into linguistics and literature nowadays
09:44 bowtie El_Che, in that case I have a question for you, if I my
09:45 El_Che sure
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09:47 bowtie El_Che, is there such a word as "relocale" I under stand the following  "locale", "locate" and "relocate" but not the former
09:53 El_Che I am not a native english speaker, so I may be wrong, but it does not sound correct
09:53 El_Che it is not on the languages I speak natively (dutch and spanish)
09:54 El_Che that's because locate is a verb, an action
09:54 El_Che so you can  do it again (re)
09:54 El_Che locale is not an action nor - at first sign - the derivation of a verb
09:55 El_Che of course, languages are  alive and full of execptions
09:55 El_Che so who knows :)
09:55 bowtie El_Che, thanks for that :)
09:56 El_Che with that said, my background is not in hardcore linguistics (the sense of ',' in the swahilli languages ) :)
09:56 El_Che but on discourse analysis
09:56 El_Che critical discourse analysis , more specifically
09:56 El_Che (power in discourse)
10:02 bowtie szabgab, trac has been down 1 hour now
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11:23 Hyppolit svn: r16968 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16968
11:23 Hyppolit Update the messages.pot file
11:23 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/share/locale/
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12:00 bowtie szabgab, trac has been down 3 hours now :(
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12:32 azawawi hi #padre :)
12:33 bowtie azawawi, mg
12:33 azawawi i was away in a remote location :)
12:33 azawawi im back in the office now lol
12:34 bowtie szabgab, trac is up :)
12:34 azawawi trac is up/down... :)
12:35 bowtie azawawi, version control ?
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12:35 bowtie yes trac has been down for several hours this afternoon
12:35 azawawi i backlog :)
12:36 azawawi listen, version control is going to be wider :)
12:36 * azawawi tries it on ubuntu
12:36 azawawi that's even how F2 help is going to be :)
12:36 azawawi keep things simple in the same UI
12:36 azawawi no need for modal/dialogs
12:37 bowtie azawawi, it's not the width, it's the focus, conflicting with outline :(
12:38 azawawi explain
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12:38 azawawi no need for :( or :) :)
12:39 bowtie azawawi, if that is the case, can right panel be full hight, with a right top equal to current right and a right bottom, good location for version control
12:43 azawawi image plz :)
12:45 bowtie ok, wait 5
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12:49 azawawi aha i see what you mean
12:49 azawawi focus is always going to be problem
12:49 azawawi ofcourse we (Padre developer) should learn one thing
12:50 azawawi ->SetFocus is very bad when you're developing a subpanel
12:52 bowtie azawawi, http://padre.perlide.org/trac/atta​chment/wiki/SandBox/croupt_vcs.png
12:53 azawawi sure i found it
12:54 azawawi thanks for testing it. i can always count on you bowtie++ :)
12:55 bowtie azawawi, I thought you had been dreaming of the southern hemisphere for a moment :)
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13:08 azawawi bowtie: btw, it is not only for version control
13:09 azawawi bowtie: functions and outline do not mix together
13:10 bowtie azawawi, we have found a hornets nest, then, what fun :)
13:15 azawawi Alias: ping!
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13:20 azawawi bowtie: found it. the suspect is Alias :)
13:21 azawawi bowtie: $self->Show(1) in Padre::Wx::Outline
13:21 azawawi bowtie: again premature optimization :)
13:23 bowtie azawawi, I am still slowly working my way to the centre of Padre
13:24 bowtie looks like roles and panels are next on my list
13:28 El_Che hi guys, I am working on a solaris perl smoke server
13:28 El_Che question: how do you test smoke modules?
13:29 El_Che CPAN dists
13:29 El_Che it's certainly not Test::Smoke
13:33 azawawi El_Che: no idea
13:33 azawawi maybe http://win32.perl.org/wiki/in​dex.php?title=Smoke_tutorial ?
13:34 bowtie El_Che, sorry, no idea here
13:35 El_Che I have a working perl upstream + solaris setup
13:35 El_Che bu I am working very generic
13:35 El_Che to tests different perl and also modules
13:36 El_Che before I am too far, I need to see how to integrate module testing in the setup
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13:43 * azawawi rewrites Padre::Wx::Outline
13:45 bowtie azawawi, I have herd of kill or cure, is it really that bad?
13:52 Hyppolit svn: r16969 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16969
13:52 Hyppolit Fix Outline focus and paint bugs that caused other right panels to misbehave when Outline is enabled. bowtie++
13:52 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
13:53 azawawi bowtie: it is great now :)
13:56 azawawi function list looks dull now :)
13:56 azawawi with outline shining :)
14:02 Hyppolit svn: r16970 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16970
14:02 Hyppolit You double click to set focus on the function name in outline
14:02 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
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14:05 bowtie azawawi, revision 16969 ok so far
14:06 mishin Hi Padre, anybody knows why i cannot save file with Russian name and in  Russian directory?
14:08 bowtie azawawi, revision 16970 ok so far, I thought click focus worked anyway :)
14:10 bowtie azawawi, where have the tool tips gone from your VCS icons?
14:17 azawawi bomb :)
14:17 Hyppolit svn: r16971 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16971
14:17 Hyppolit Upgrade the Outline panel to wxFormBuilder
14:17 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/FBP/
14:18 azawawi bowtie: care to implement tree searching for outline ? :)
14:22 * azawawi weekend & :)
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15:13 Hyppolit svn: r16972 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16972
15:13 Hyppolit Update the messages.pot file
15:13 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/share/locale/
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18:32 Hyppolit svn: r16973 | bowtie++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16973
18:32 Hyppolit we can now toggle breakpoints and store them, retrieval to do
18:32 Hyppolit also some POD
18:32 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-Debug/lib/Padre/Plugin/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Debug/lib/Padre/Plugin/Debug/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Debug/l​ib/Padre/Plugin/Debug/FBP/
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19:58 Hyppolit # 1334 :  Syntax checker could be slower (new enhancement) by azawawi  [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1334#comment:5 ]
20:20 azawawi hmm tortoisesvn 1.7
20:20 azawawi linked with svn 1.7
20:20 azawawi which only means :)
20:20 azawawi http://svn.haxx.se/dev/archive-2011-10/0152.shtml    # subversion 1.7 released!!!
20:23 Hyppolit svn: r16974 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16974
20:23 Hyppolit use $tree instead of $self->{tree} to save some trees :)
20:23 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
20:23 bowtie azawawi, cool, I look forward to re-reading the red book :)
20:23 El_Che bowtie: ah
20:24 El_Che you were the one that read the book
20:24 El_Che I thought it was an internet urban legend :)
20:24 El_Che I just used it as a big man page :)
20:24 azawawi i think svn 1.7 will be something big
20:25 azawawi given that it is also apache now
20:25 bowtie El_Che, last time I did that it was 1.4.x :), hence time to do it again
20:25 El_Che can it come back to battle with modes-du-jour like git and co?
20:26 bowtie El_Che, I have decided to be very generous and let you read it and report back :)
20:26 El_Che ok, on my todo list
20:26 El_Che wil 2017 be ok?
20:27 bowtie that soon, great :)
20:32 Hyppolit svn: r16975 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16975
20:32 Hyppolit Started the outline search box in an attempt to search the cool generic outline in a similar way to way simple functions list
20:32 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
20:50 * azawawi prepares to drop it :)
20:51 Hyppolit svn: r16976 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16976
20:51 Hyppolit Outline view has now a working search box. Enjoy :)
20:51 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
20:53 Hyppolit svn: r16977 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16977
20:53 Hyppolit always clear to handle unsaved editors
20:53 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
21:02 Hyppolit svn: r16978 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16978
21:02 Hyppolit Always expand all categories in outline when there a search term
21:02 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
21:09 Hyppolit svn: r16979 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16979
21:09 Hyppolit Updated Changes
21:09 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/
21:10 Hyppolit svn: r16980 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16980
21:10 Hyppolit Disabling and enabling search is now better with unsaved and closed editors
21:10 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
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21:18 Hyppolit svn: r16981 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16981
21:18 Hyppolit Handle char events in search box like in the function list
21:18 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
21:21 azawawi not bad :)
21:21 * azawawi reads http://www.modernperlbooks.com/mt/2011/10​/in-search-of-minimum-viable-utility.html
21:30 azawawi 85 changes in padre 0.92 so far...
21:30 azawawi it is a very very big release :)
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21:31 bowtie azawawi, are you suggesting it's time :)
21:31 azawawi after vcs_finish, it is time :)
21:32 azawawi and going over blockers ofcourse
21:32 bowtie what is left to do
21:32 azawawi add/update/... implementation stuff
21:32 azawawi just that
21:32 bowtie are you going to add tool tips to icons
21:32 azawawi commit dialog is a bit of work and then im done
21:34 azawawi i was also researching the use of metacpan API to improve Padre CPAN support
21:34 azawawi very promising
21:34 azawawi but that's in 0.94
21:35 azawawi help right dialog and CPAN
21:35 bowtie azawawi, will you take a look at P-P-Debug please
21:35 azawawi CPAN explorer in the right panel
21:36 azawawi shows you new modules on the fly
21:36 azawawi and integrates with quick fix!
21:36 bowtie azawawi, panels from a plugin ?
21:36 azawawi you type 'use Not::Installed::Module;'
21:36 azawawi and Padre asks you whether you need to install it when a syntax error occurs
21:37 bowtie cool
21:37 azawawi basically im thinking metacpan.org/recent inside Padre
21:37 azawawi with events popping up and telling you what's new in CPAN :)
21:37 bowtie I just read my mirror log
21:38 azawawi my plan for 0.94 is improved help, CPAN, quick fix, F2->F1 search, background task-based help search
21:39 azawawi and i have a lovely Perl tidy quick fix in my mind :)
21:39 azawawi you type code...
21:39 azawawi and Padre runs perl tidy in the background
21:40 azawawi when you code, needs a tidy, it shows you what's tidy going to change :)
21:40 azawawi 0.96 realtime diff window
21:40 bowtie tidy as you go, sounds like a George Formby song :)
21:40 azawawi side-by-side
21:41 azawawi vim/emacs are cool
21:41 bowtie I have seen the start in padre.fbp
21:41 azawawi but really once we get these little integrations
21:41 azawawi we will own :)
21:41 azawawi it is the little things that make all the difference (...sometimes :) )
21:42 azawawi s/own/pwn/ :)
21:43 bowtie pwn ?
21:48 azawawi game slang :)
21:48 azawawi to own :)
21:48 azawawi conquer
21:49 bowtie azawawi, like win :)
21:56 Hyppolit svn: r16982 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16982
21:56 Hyppolit Outline has directory icons now :)
21:56 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
21:56 Hyppolit svn: r16983 | dolmen++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16983
21:56 Hyppolit Fix svn:mime-type on recently added image
21:56 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/share/icons/gnome218/16x16/actions/
21:58 bowtie ok
22:00 Hyppolit svn: r16984 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16984
22:00 Hyppolit Minor tree root image nudge :)
22:00 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
22:02 bowtie that makes sense
22:06 azawawi hopefully i improved outline look and feel and usability
22:06 bowtie yes
22:07 azawawi outline should add also anon subs
22:08 bowtie what will be gained
22:08 Hyppolit svn: r16985 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16985
22:08 Hyppolit remove unneeded event handler route
22:08 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
22:09 azawawi Wx::Event::EVT_CHAR(..., sub {} ) ?
22:09 azawawi maybe Wx::Events
22:10 azawawi the cool thing is that we can add dancer route subs
22:10 azawawi or mojo
22:10 azawawi get '/' => sub {... }
22:10 * azawawi runs RELEASE_TESTING=1 cpan .
22:18 azawawi ouch
22:18 azawawi http://blogs.perl.org/users/kirk_kimmel/2​011/10/perl-c-and-dr-dennis-ritchie.html
22:18 azawawi RIP
22:24 azawawi RELEASE_TESTING runs fine
22:24 azawawi we're still 100% ready to release anytime :)
22:27 bowtie azawawi, just found my K&R 1988
22:30 Hyppolit svn: r16986 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16986
22:30 Hyppolit Next difference is only enabled in the menu when the diff feature is enabled and there is a current document.
22:30 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Menu/
22:32 bowtie azawawi, how about #1344
22:32 Hyppolit # 1344 :  version control panel, set focus, on open, to first diff found (new enhancement) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/1344 ]
22:34 azawawi on my todo list
22:34 azawawi a bit tricky
22:34 azawawi threads and finish actions
22:37 azawawi time to sleep :)
22:37 azawawi good night
22:37 * azawawi good night &
22:37 bowtie night
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23:12 Hyppolit svn: r16987 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/16987
23:12 Hyppolit Update the messages.pot file
23:12 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/share/locale/

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