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IRC log for #padre, 2011-11-08

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01:08 Hyppolit # 1324 :  One of our features is missing...   Skelton Build or Module::Starter (assigned enhancement) by adamk  [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1324#comment:3 ]
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05:03 Alias Just FYI, I'm going to tackle the File::ShareDir thing shortly
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05:21 mib_y8ele9 Hi, just installed padre on my home computer and when I clicked on the Butterfly icon on the screen, nothing happens
05:24 Alias hrm
05:24 Alias Can you try logging out and logging in again? Full reboot is not needed.
05:25 mib_y8ele9 I did a full reboot as the web instructed me to after I completed the full installation
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05:29 Alias ah
05:29 mib_y8ele9 the instructions said to open start>programs>strawberry>strawberry standalone   but I do not see a stand alone item
05:29 Alias hrm
05:30 Alias Can you try the following
05:30 Alias Start -> Run
05:30 Alias cmd
05:30 Alias Then in the dos box
05:30 Alias ...
05:30 Alias perl -S padre
05:31 mib_y8ele9 ok did it, a small screen opened then closed right away
05:32 mib_y8ele9 tried it again and it said cant locate padre/constant.pm
05:34 mib_y8ele9 I'll give you the exact error, it will take time to type it out
05:36 mib_y8ele9 Can't locate Padre/constant.pm in @INC <@INC contains: F:/moneysaverauction/perl/site/lib F:/moneysaverauction/perl/lib .> at c:\strawberry\perl\bin/padre line 122
05:38 mib_y8ele9 I don't know how to set the proper path for the folders that contain the .pl files that I want to test
05:38 Alias Weird...
05:39 Alias What package did you install exactly?
05:39 Alias Which installer?
05:39 mib_y8ele9 hold on I will check
05:40 mib_y8ele9 Strawberry Perl 5.12.3.0 and after downloading I followed the instructions for installation
05:41 Alias You said you installed Padre standalone?
05:41 Alias Can you link the web page you did it from?
05:41 mib_y8ele9 yes, hold on, I will have a look
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05:43 mib_e38zxa Hi alias, me again http://strawberryperl.com/
05:43 Alias OK, so you installed normal Strawberry Perl, good
05:43 Alias Then which install instructions?
05:44 Alias Because "Padre Standalone" is a version of Padre that is supposed to work WITHOUT Strawberry Perl installed
05:45 mib_e38zxa yikes, I have to reconstruct how I did it
05:46 mib_e38zxa I know I opened the dos window and typed something to get it started, and then it took about 1 hr to finish
05:46 Alias Something like "cpan Padre" ?
05:46 Alias What's REALLY weird here is your error message
05:47 Alias It suggests you have two different versions of Perl installed
05:47 Alias Does the directory C:\strawberry exist?
05:47 mib_e38zxa yes it does and I also have ActivePerl installed
05:48 Alias Ah, there's your problem
05:48 Alias You can't have multiple system installs of Perl
05:48 Alias So what's happening is that one has put itself before the other in your PATH
05:48 mib_e38zxa then I should uninstall ActivePerl
05:49 Alias One or the other, yes
05:49 Alias And I'm not entirely sure what happened when you installed Padre
05:49 Alias Since you had two installs mixed together
05:49 Alias Remove ActivePerl and try to run it
05:49 mib_e38zxa should I uninstall padre and activeperl?
05:49 Alias If it still doesn't work, then remove Strawberry as well, and the directory C:\strawberry if it exists. Then reinstall strawberry and install Padre on top
05:50 Alias You might get lucky and removing ActivePerl is enough on it's onw
05:50 Alias own
05:50 Alias So try that now
05:50 mib_e38zxa ok I'll give it a try
05:50 Alias And if still broken, remove everything and start again with the plain Strawberry install
05:50 mib_e38zxa ok
05:50 Alias We're trying to get "Check for a clashing install" into the Strawberry installer at some point
05:51 mib_e38zxa great. I'll get back to you . thanks for your help
05:51 mib_e38zxa signing off
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06:48 waxhead hey everyone...
06:48 waxhead what's the thoughts on the blockers?
06:48 waxhead blockers?
06:48 Hyppolit blockers is http://padre.perlide.org/trac/query?prio​rity=blocker&amp;status=accepted&amp;sta​tus=assigned&amp;status=new&amp;status=r​eopened&amp;col=id&amp;order=priority
06:55 Hyppolit svn: r17313 | submersible_toaster++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/17313
06:55 Hyppolit Add beginnings of plugin for Oolite Xpansion Pack author.
06:55 Hyppolit trunk/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-OXP/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-OXP/cm/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-OXP/junkyard/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-OXP/share/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-OXP/share/povray/
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09:34 bowtie gm
09:35 bowtie szabgab, ping
09:42 szabgab you seem to like me, or like to talk to me
09:43 bowtie szabgab, both, but in this case you are the one :)
09:43 bowtie Cpan shows
09:43 bowtie Debug-Client-0.13_05 07 Nov 2011 ** UNAUTHORIZED RELEASE **
09:43 bowtie I was expecting
09:43 bowtie Debug-Client-0.13_05 07 Nov 2011 ** DEVELOPER RELEASE **
09:43 bowtie I think this is because PAUSE status is Type first-come instead of co-maint
09:43 szabgab sure, I already asked, what is your pause id?
09:43 bowtie szabgab, BOWTIE
09:46 szabgab go to PAUSE and ask it to reindex the module
09:46 bowtie ok, will do
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09:48 bowtie szabgab, another Q what do we do about the tester boots (10) that that just fail all the time with errors that I can't replicate ?
09:48 szabgab ingy: are you around?
09:49 szabgab ingy: I am trying IO::All and I see @x = io('file')->slurp is not the same as @x = io('file')->all
09:50 szabgab ingy: the former gets lines separately, the latter in one single scalar
09:50 szabgab is that on purpose? I did not understand it from the docs
09:51 szabgab bowtie: write an e-mail to the person who runs the bot and ask for help trying to figure out where is the problem
09:52 bowtie szabgab, ok, will add to my todo list, thanks
10:06 waxhead hey everyone... can we get some consensus on the blockers we have at the moment... release or hold off?
10:06 waxhead I'm going to write a blog post about it to cover off where padre 0.92 is...
10:06 waxhead blockers?
10:06 Hyppolit blockers is http://padre.perlide.org/trac/query?prio​rity=blocker&amp;status=accepted&amp;sta​tus=assigned&amp;status=new&amp;status=r​eopened&amp;col=id&amp;order=priority
10:10 szabgab waxhead: do you have an accunt on hacker news?
10:10 szabgab and I have no opinion about the blockers :)
10:11 sewi_work waxhead: For 1.0 or for developer version?
10:13 sewi_work #1310 doesn't sound like a release blocker for me because it affects only Strawberry portable
10:13 Hyppolit # 1310 :  unable to compile with strawberry perl  5.12.3 (new defect) by azawawi  [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1310#comment:7 ]
10:15 sewi_work #1312 should be ok for a dev release, but not for 1.0
10:15 Hyppolit # 1312 :  Mouse (Ubuntu) Copy Paste X-Clipboard (new defect) by ktaragorn  [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1312#comment:13 ]
10:17 sewi_work #1327 looks like it should be easy to fix and should be fixed before the release as we might render all installed Padres unuseable
10:17 Hyppolit # 1327 :  Padre trunk crashes on Ubuntu 10.04 (new defect) by adamk  [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1327#comment:12 ]
10:18 waxhead sure.. so we have one to really focus on then, the copy paste problem has been with us for way too long anyway....
10:18 sewi_work #1338 isn't a blocker for me. IMHO the problem isn't on "any non-project file"
10:18 Hyppolit # 1338 :  Opening a File not in Project kills Padre (new defect) by bowtie  [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1338#comment:2 ]
10:19 sewi_work I also get this message when working in projects, but I get it rarely...
10:20 szabgab sewi_work: we are talking about 0.92
10:20 szabgab not 1.0 but not a dev release either
10:21 szabgab waxhead, right?
10:21 sewi_work #1340 should do a Wx and maybe Scintilla update and try again before further investigations
10:21 Hyppolit # 1340 :  DIE: Error while autoloading Wx Constant at /usr/src/Padre/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Constant.pm line 144 (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/1340 ]
10:24 waxhead bowtie, ping
10:25 waxhead oh sorry... I'm inclined to make it clear that 0.92 comes with likely broken bits, that need people to jump in and give it a good testing and report back to us
10:25 waxhead we pretty much agreed that 0.90 was likely the last of the stablish releases on the run up to 1.0
10:26 bowtie waxhead, pong
10:26 waxhead so we have 0.92 with a swag of awesomeness but likely some breakage which we want reported.  0.94 can be the same with 0.96  the first of the releases on the path to getting things back in order, including a big effort to resolve some of these niggling problems
10:27 waxhead bowtie, what have you worked on mostly this release?  PP::Debug?
10:27 waxhead bowtie, converting dialogs to FBP?
10:29 waxhead not only that, but people are asking for a 0.92 release.. I think it's well and truely time that azawawi's work and all the work that Adam and bowtie  have been putting is released to the wider world.
10:29 bowtie waxhead, I converted the About dialog with help from others, also Patch with http://padre.perlide.org/tr​ac/wiki/Features/EditPatch wiki page,
10:29 waxhead but I'm just a little hesitant with the large number of blockers...
10:30 waxhead if we agree that the listed blockers are not problematic to do a release I'll make the branch and get the release out...
10:31 bowtie waxhead, PP-Debug is not intended for 0.92, but please go and look when you are not in Taxi Dad mode :)
10:31 waxhead bowtie, in a few words... what is Patch?
10:32 waxhead bowtie, ha... at the moment I'm tired old man mode.. played touch footy and then reffed the following game.. tired now
10:32 waxhead bowtie, don't worry about the words, I'll take them from the wiki page
10:34 bowtie waxhead, few: Patch is simplistic in it's approach to performing a Patch or generating a diff against a single open file in the editor
10:35 bowtie waxhead, there is also a wiki for diff annotations to
10:37 bowtie waxhead, I also did my "Jack Russell" impersonation as normal, woof woof
10:47 waxhead http://blogs.perl.org/users/peter_lavender/​2011/11/padre-the-upcoming-092-release.html
10:47 waxhead right.. bed... can we get people to reply to my email in the dev list regarding this release and the outstanding blockers please...
10:49 waxhead at this stage I'd like to get this sorted out so I can branch tomorrow night, it will be late though, got something organised already, but we can branch and get translations done for release ASAP..
10:49 waxhead night
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12:34 zenog hi #padre
12:35 zenog Alias++ for intending to work on the File::ShareDir stuff ;-)
12:35 zenog Alias: let me know if I should try out something on my system ...
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14:03 zenog btw, are there download statistics for Padre?
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14:08 bowtie zenog, I found the cpan testers for Padre, http://matrix.cpantesters.org/?dist=Padre;maxver=1
14:09 bowtie notice how many current users are using a Perl version below 5.10
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14:18 zenog bowtie: I am shocked :-P -  bit I do not see numbers here, so maybe it is not so many. otoh, I know of some installations of Perl 5.8 ... *shuddder* ;-)
14:20 bowtie zenog, but there is a difference between using 5.8 on a server and running an IDE on a workstation :)
14:20 bowtie zenog, have you had a look at PP-Debug yet?
14:21 zenog bowtie: nope, problematic schedule will continue well until Christmas :-(
14:22 bowtie zenog, but what about your staff
14:30 sewi_work bowtie: My Smoker was running all perlbrew versions supported by cpan::Reporter
14:38 bowtie sewi_work, but what version of padre are you testing? across all versions of perl?
14:41 sewi_work bowtie: The CPAN Smoker tests all (recent) CPAN modules automatically
14:41 bowtie sewi_work, what os dose your smoker report under
14:42 sewi_work Linux
14:44 bowtie sewi_work, if that is the case all perl version below 5.10 would have 0.90 as there pass version then?
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