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02:45 waxhead El_Che, not sure.. I think there's a page somewhere that shows translation coverage...
02:45 waxhead translations?
02:45 waxhead translate?
02:45 waxhead well, that's one to add to Hyppolit
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03:04 submersible_toaster translators?
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07:27 azawawi_back hi #padre
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07:50 azawawi hi
07:51 azawawi waxhead: ping
07:51 azawawi waxhead: http://perlide.org/translations/
08:15 waxhead hey azawawi
08:15 waxhead Hyppolit translations is http://perlide.org/translations/
08:15 Hyppolit translations was unknown
08:15 Hyppolit translations is now http://perlide.org/translations/
08:27 azawawi waxhead: what's up? :)
08:27 * azawawi runs 'cpanm POD2::FR POD2::LT POD2::ES POD2::PT_BR'
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09:18 waxhead azawawi, not much, just learning about HDR
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09:18 waxhead should have 0.92 out on monday I think
09:18 waxhead I should start writting the release announcement tonight.. the Changes is HUGE!:)
09:18 waxhead azawawi++ alias++
09:20 azawawi cool
09:20 azawawi and thanks
09:21 azawawi 'svn update' padre is broken on win32
09:21 azawawi t.png and T.png in the same directory
09:21 azawawi win32 is case insensitive
09:39 Hyppolit svn: r17346 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/17346
09:39 Hyppolit Updated Scintilla to 3.0.1 pre-release (AZAWAWI). Relevant changes are:
09:39 Hyppolit - Highlight "else" as a keyword for TCL in the same way as other languages.
09:39 Hyppolit - Ensure pixmaps allocated before painting as there was a crash when Scintilla drew without common initialisation calls.
09:39 Hyppolit trunk/Wx-Scintilla/ trunk/Wx-Scintilla/wx-scintilla/src/scintilla/src/
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09:49 bowtie gm
09:52 bowtie azawawi, do you have a suggestion, for little t and big T icons, that I thought were well named?
09:58 azawawi nop
09:58 azawawi bowtie: gm and how r u?
09:59 azawawi well named yes...
09:59 azawawi cross platform no... :)
09:59 azawawi T.png and t.png are the same to win32
09:59 azawawi hence svn up breaks svn repo
09:59 azawawi please fix
09:59 bowtie azawawi, yes, went to london perl mungers thing, nice holiday yorself
09:59 * azawawi was planning to fix it :)
09:59 azawawi aha and did you blog about what happened? :)
10:00 bowtie azawawi, you can delete little t.png as not used at present in P-P-Debug
10:01 bowtie azawawi, are the b's and e's causing the same problem?
10:01 azawawi yup
10:02 azawawi may i suggest?
10:02 azawawi b-small.png?
10:02 azawawi b-lower?
10:04 bowtie azawawi, ok, also you can delete little b and e to, as they are not currently used. thanks
10:05 bowtie azawawi, I will do a name change later.
10:05 * azawawi reads http://blogs.perl.org/users/jeffrey_kegler/20​11/11/marpa-v-perl-regexes-some-numbers.html
10:05 azawawi bowtie: okay :)
10:06 bowtie azawawi, have you tried P-P-Debug yet?
10:07 azawawi bowtie: one more thing
10:07 azawawi i'll try it now
10:07 azawawi bowtie: capital letter in file names is not recommended
10:07 azawawi bowtie: keep it lowercase for platform independence....
10:09 Hyppolit svn: r17347 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/17347
10:09 Hyppolit t to t-small.png. Removed b.png and e.png since they are not currently used. Please do not commit filename.png and FILENAME.png since they are the same under win32 and cause svn update to break svn repo under win32. Thanks :) bowtie++
10:09 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/share/icons/padre/16x16/actions/
10:09 bowtie azawawi, I will change them with a prefix, how about up_t.png and low_t.png
10:10 bowtie azawawi, thank you
10:10 azawawi sure
10:11 azawawi - or _ is fine by me
10:11 azawawi although i recommend a - for readability
10:11 bowtie azawawi, hyphen it is, :)
10:12 azawawi thanks
10:12 bowtie azawawi, now don't run off, just yet
10:12 azawawi latest Debug::Client works on 5.15.x?
10:13 bowtie azawawi, good that's 0.13_07 ?
10:13 azawawi same  bug that i reported earlier when clicking on debugger checkbox
10:14 bowtie azawawi, which os?
10:14 azawawi win32
10:14 * azawawi runs http://cpan.metacpan.org/authors/id/B/​BO/BOWTIE/Debug-Client-0.13_07.tar.gz
10:14 azawawi one more thing
10:14 azawawi alarming
10:15 azawawi when is Debug::Client depending on ExtUtils::MakeMaker
10:15 azawawi cpanm Debug::Client   # development 0.13_07
10:15 azawawi triggers 'Found dependencies: ExtUtils::MakeMaker'
10:16 azawawi strange what's triggering that
10:16 bowtie azawawi, it's simple, when I read the cpan testers reports of failures, I noticed requirements that were not defined in Makefile so added them in to try to hunt down the errors
10:17 bowtie azawawi, can you nopaste the error please
10:17 azawawi so which one of them is triggering the need for ExtUtils::MakeMaker?
10:17 azawawi not an error
10:18 azawawi but Debug::Client did not need latest ExtUtils::MakeMaker
10:19 bowtie azawawi, I am more than happy to take your advice as to what should be in the Makefile, thanks
10:20 bowtie azawawi, have you updated the P-P-Debug from trunk?
10:21 bowtie azawawi, what version is shown in Padre plugin manager please
10:22 azawawi test_requires core module? :)
10:23 azawawi test_requires 'File::HomeDir' => '0.98';
10:23 azawawi and
10:23 azawawi test_requires 'File::HomeDir' => '0';
10:23 azawawi hmmm
10:23 azawawi in Makefile.PL
10:24 azawawi File::Temp since 5.6...
10:24 azawawi no need to do that
10:24 azawawi since you declared perl 5.8 dependency
10:24 azawawi use Padre help to determine minimum perl version
10:24 azawawi or xt/pmv.t in Padre
10:26 bowtie azawawi, come on there must be more, what is it, :)
10:28 azawawi any reason to ask for M:I upgrade?
10:28 bowtie azawawi, I was not my intention
10:31 Hyppolit svn: r17348 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/17348
10:31 Hyppolit A couple of fixes to Makefile.PL to make it leaner a bit on required dependencies
10:31 Hyppolit trunk/Debug-Client/
10:35 bowtie azawawi++
10:38 bowtie azawawi, thanks for that, now what happens when you run P-P-D
10:39 bowtie opps D -> Debug
10:40 Hyppolit svn: r17349 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/17349
10:40 Hyppolit Bumped version to 0.13_08 and updated Changes. Release date is TBA
10:40 Hyppolit trunk/Debug-Client/ trunk/Debug-Client/lib/Debug/
10:40 * azawawi runs it using trunk
10:42 bowtie azawawi++
10:43 shadowpaste "azawawi" at 217.168.150.38 pasted "Error after upgrade to Debug::Client 0.13_08 (trunk)" (20 lines) at http://paste.scsys.co.uk/159732
10:45 azawawi bowtie: does that help?
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10:46 bowtie azawawi, I don't no at the moment as I only run on ubuntu, hence I have not seen this.
10:47 azawawi ok i'll try it on ubuntu :)
10:49 azawawi bowtie: another thing
10:49 azawawi bowtie: requires development version does not work :)
10:49 azawawi bowtie: cpan only installs non-developer releases
10:50 azawawi bowtie: and there is no Changes file in P-P-Debug :)
10:50 azawawi no MANIFEST.SKIP also
10:51 Hyppolit svn: r17350 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/17350
10:51 Hyppolit Ignore inc folder and Makefile.PL requires 1.00 M:I (same as Padre)
10:51 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-Debug/
10:51 bowtie azawawi, thanks
11:00 azawawi bowtie: actually it is a syntax error :)
11:00 Hyppolit svn: r17351 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/17351
11:00 Hyppolit Fix syntax error in P:P:D:Panel::Debugger
11:00 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-Debug/li​b/Padre/Plugin/Debug/Panel/
11:00 azawawi now it works :)
11:01 bowtie azawawi, but my nice padre syntax checker is happy
11:02 azawawi perl version?
11:03 azawawi lol how it can do that?
11:03 azawawi when Padre::Constant is masking the error
11:03 azawawi :)
11:03 bowtie azawawi, Oops cought out by perl version, which dose not require de-referancing, silly me
11:03 azawawi needs t/compile.t
11:03 azawawi needs Changes
11:04 azawawi needs MANIFEST.SKIP
11:04 azawawi skip bundling fbp file in distribution?
11:04 azawawi scripts/ => tools/
11:04 azawawi add no_index on tools/
11:05 azawawi and inc/
11:05 azawawi install_share ?
11:05 bowtie azawawi, install_share yes plugin has an icon in plugin manager :)
11:06 bowtie I could not figure out how to read icon from trunk, so ust gave in
11:06 azawawi found a bug
11:06 azawawi :)
11:06 bowtie azawawi, good :)
11:06 azawawi open dialog check debugger for example
11:06 azawawi and then close
11:07 azawawi and then do that again
11:07 azawawi duplicate debugger panels :)
11:08 bowtie azawawi, which os?
11:09 azawawi win32
11:09 azawawi logic error
11:09 azawawi open debug dialog and click any checkbox
11:09 azawawi and then close
11:09 bowtie azawawi, single panel under ubuntu
11:10 azawawi and do that again
11:10 azawawi duplicate panels
11:10 azawawi perl dev -a does not work on my ubuntu
11:11 azawawi Padre::Plugin::SVN croaking it
11:11 waxhead bowtie, regarding the icon names, if you think about sorting, then t-upper and t-lower sort together, upper-t and lower-t don't...
11:11 bowtie azawawi, please go look using ubuntu, as you observations are not replicated here
11:11 waxhead however it's a preference thing, if that's what you want to do
11:12 waxhead OK, back tomorrow night when I get 0.92 out the door.
11:13 azawawi bowtie: any chance you could complete P:P:Debug and release it to CPAN soon :)
11:14 bowtie azawawi, ok big picture, how about prefix being ascii # of char,
11:15 azawawi bowtie: t#.png?
11:15 bowtie azawawi, I am waiting for padre release before doing so
11:15 azawawi waxhead++
11:17 bowtie azawawi, no, t => 74-t.png and T => 54-t.png
11:18 bowtie azawawi, that will give you sorting capabilities
11:19 Hyppolit svn: r17352 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/17352
11:19 Hyppolit Bumped Wx::Scintilla version to 0.35_03
11:19 Hyppolit trunk/Wx-Scintilla/lib/Wx/ trunk/Wx-Scintilla/lib/Wx/Scintilla/
11:20 bowtie azawawi, is the ##-a.png good to go?
11:39 Hyppolit svn: r17353 | bowtie++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/17353
11:39 Hyppolit minor tewaks, thanks azawawi++
11:39 Hyppolit trunk/Debug-Client/ trunk/Debug-Client/lib/Debug/
11:42 bowtie Debug::Client http://cpan.metacpan.org/authors/id/B/​BO/BOWTIE/Debug-Client-0.13_08.tar.gz thanks azawawi++
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12:23 azawawi bowtie: ping
12:23 azawawi bowtie: what's the version of M:I?
12:24 bowtie azawawi, pong
12:25 bowtie azawawi, local copy Module::Install 1.04?
12:27 azawawi bowtie: hmmm
12:27 azawawi bowtie: same problem
12:27 azawawi bowtie: let me double check
12:27 bowtie azawawi, ok
12:33 Hyppolit svn: r17354 | bowtie++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/17354
12:33 Hyppolit rename charter icons
12:33 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/share/icons/padre/16x16/actions/
12:33 azawawi M:I is cool but really
12:33 azawawi cryptic in some ways
12:33 azawawi lol
12:35 Hyppolit svn: r17355 | bowtie++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/17355
12:35 Hyppolit tweak Debugger to use new icons
12:35 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-Debug/li​b/Padre/Plugin/Debug/Panel/
12:36 Hyppolit svn: r17356 | bowtie++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/17356
12:36 Hyppolit tidy up
12:36 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/share/icons/padre/16x16/actions/
12:37 Hyppolit svn: r17357 | bowtie++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/17357
12:37 Hyppolit tidy up
12:37 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/share/icons/padre/16x16/actions/
12:42 azawawi here is what is strange...
12:42 azawawi perl -MExtUtils::MakeMaker -e 'print $ExtUtils::MakeMaker::VERSION'    # 6.59
12:42 azawawi MYMETA.yml => 'build_requires: ExtUtils::MakeMaker: 6.59'
12:43 azawawi aha...
12:43 azawawi configure_requires:  ExtUtils::MakeMaker: 6.62
12:43 azawawi what the?
12:43 Hyppolit svn: r17358 | bowtie++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/17358
12:43 Hyppolit tidy up
12:43 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/share/icons/padre/16x16/actions/
12:44 azawawi bowtie: ExtUtils::MakeMaker 6.62 is installed on your system?
12:45 bowtie azawawi, yes version 6.62
12:45 azawawi strange
12:48 bowtie brb
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12:55 azawawi bowtie: your setup is not 100% correct :)
12:55 azawawi bowtie: unless you install ExtUtils::MakeMaker yourself
12:56 bowtie azawawi, cool, what do I need to delete, E::M
12:56 azawawi bowtie: basically you're asking people installing Padre to install a newer ExtUtils::MakeMaker... that is not required for anything special
12:56 azawawi pm-uninstall?
12:56 azawawi let me try it
12:56 azawawi first :)
12:57 azawawi "ExtUtils::MakeMaker is Core Module!! Can't be uninstall."
12:57 azawawi bowtie: ok
12:57 azawawi bowtie: local::lib or perlbrew environment?
12:57 azawawi fyi https://metacpan.org/source/ADA​MK/Module-Install-1.04/META.yml
12:58 bowtie azawawi, perlbrew Perl 5.14.1
12:58 azawawi v5.15.3 here  on ubuntu
12:59 azawawi and it is asking for an upgrade
12:59 azawawi :)
13:01 bowtie azawawi, also 5.15.4 on linux 3.0.0x
13:02 bowtie azawawi, do you get spurious panel behaviour on ubuntu?
13:02 azawawi perl -MExtUtils::MakeMaker -e 'print $ExtUtils::MakeMaker::VERSION . "\n"'
13:02 azawawi yup
13:02 azawawi big horizontal stuff
13:02 azawawi on win32
13:03 bowtie azawawi, no on ubuntu?
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13:19 * azawawi uses Padre's recent list to install Wx-Scintilla 0.35_03 :)
13:21 bowtie azawawi, do you want me to create some transparent icons for you to use as margin markers?
13:21 azawawi bowtie: sure
13:22 bowtie azawawi, what names do you want them called
13:23 azawawi which margin marker btw?
13:23 azawawi cpanm https://metacpan.org/release/​AZAWAWI/Wx-Scintilla-0.35_03  # Scintilla 3.0.1 pre-release
13:24 bowtie your diff ones, that have mean depreciated in scintilla 3
13:24 azawawi really? :)
13:25 bowtie azawawi, you told us that 0.35 had lost the diff markes
13:25 azawawi lol
13:25 azawawi i forgot because of the long eid lol
13:26 bowtie azawawi, have I got it wrong?
13:26 azawawi show me what i said ? :)
13:26 bowtie ok, wait
13:28 bowtie http://irclog.perlgeek.de/​padre/2011-11-03#i_4655172
13:30 azawawi please write me a ticket :)
13:30 azawawi so i can fix...
13:30 azawawi google notebook has closed down
13:30 azawawi and i do not have a way to jot down a note
13:31 bowtie azawawi, pencil and paper always works for me :)
13:32 bowtie old school rules :)
13:32 azawawi yup true
13:32 azawawi i should go back the old-school way
13:32 bowtie azawawi, so do I need to make icons?
13:32 azawawi my hand-writing is getting worse :)
13:33 azawawi let me check what is the problem first :)
14:03 Hyppolit wiki page http://padre.perlide.org/trac​/wiki/Features/Perl5Debugger changed by bowtie
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14:07 bowtie azawawi, any thoughts?
14:08 azawawi bowtie++
14:09 bowtie azawawi, thats what P-P-Debugger looks to me
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16:16 Hyppolit svn: r17359 | bowtie++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/17359
16:16 Hyppolit update requirement to Debug::Client 0.13_08
16:16 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-Debug/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Debug/lib/Padre/Plugin/
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