Camelia, the Perl 6 bug

IRC log for #padre, 2011-11-22

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02:36 Hyppolit svn: r17488 | markd++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/17488
02:36 Hyppolit Allow build with wxWidgets 2.9.x - it all seems to work OK
02:36 Hyppolit trunk/Wx-Scintilla/inc/Module/Build/ trunk/Wx-Scintilla/inc/Module/Build/Scintilla/
02:57 Hyppolit svn: r17489 | markd++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/17489
02:57 Hyppolit OSX dylib name cleanup
02:57 Hyppolit trunk/Wx-Scintilla/inc/Module/Build/Scintilla/
03:46 Hyppolit svn: r17490 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/17490
03:46 Hyppolit Updating design to something more compact
03:46 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-FormBuilder/
03:51 Alias Crap, the new design breaks FBP::Perl
03:51 Alias Which means I've let a major bug slip in
03:53 Hyppolit svn: r17491 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/17491
03:53 Hyppolit Fix class name
03:53 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/t/
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04:55 Hyppolit svn: r17492 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/17492
04:55 Hyppolit Adding test script for Padre::MIME, and removing the unknown mime from the registry
04:55 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/ trunk/Padre/t/
05:01 Hyppolit svn: r17493 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/17493
05:01 Hyppolit Not back-compat issue with Padre::MIME
05:01 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/
05:13 Hyppolit svn: r17494 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/17494
05:13 Hyppolit Precalculate the super path for each mime type
05:13 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/
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06:46 Hyppolit svn: r17495 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/17495
06:46 Hyppolit More refactoring of Padre::MIME to give it better method names
06:46 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Menu/ trunk/Padre/t/ trunk/Padre/xt/
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07:28 sugar hi all
07:28 sugar http://perlide.org/irclogs/  doesn't work
07:35 * tome wishes he could fix that
07:35 tome http://irclog.perlgeek.de/padre/ seems to be working, at least
07:40 sugar tome: thanx, i didnt see second logs in title  =)
07:42 tome sure~ where did you get your link from?
07:46 sugar from title of channel
07:46 sugar "Latest Padre is 0.92 - For installation see http://padre.perlide.org/trac/wiki/Download | Log: http://perlide.org/irclogs/ and http://irclog.perlgeek.de/padre/today | Pasting: http://scsys.co.uk:8001".
08:01 tome ah great, as soon as someone with some muscle wakes up they can fix that : ) thanks!
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08:15 Hyppolit svn: r17496 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/17496
08:15 Hyppolit Update the messages.pot file
08:15 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/share/locale/
08:18 sewi_work That IRClog-links fail from time to time :-(
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11:20 zenog hi #padre
11:21 zenog I want to create a CPAN module for (roughly, not exactly) translating C# source code files to Java. How should I call the module? I have not found anything similar, but maybe someone here has a good suggestion for a namespace to use ...
11:22 zenog Java::FromCSharp ?
11:37 daxim Compiler::MonoCS
11:37 daxim http://lists.perl.org/list/module-authors.html  → #prepan  → http://prepan.org
11:43 zenog daxim: thx
11:56 zenog Alias: The FAQ in Module::Install is outdated: "Module::Install isn't at 1.00 yet, is it safe to use yet?" => it's now at 1.04
12:00 El_Che zenog: your project works in the correct direction :P
12:05 zenog Gtk:ERROR:/build/buildd/gtk+2.0-2.20.1/gtk/gtkfi​lesystemmodel.c:746:gtk_file_system_model_sort: assertion failed: (r == n_visible_rows)
12:06 zenog El_Che: well, language-wise not. It sucks to go back to Java from C#. For JVM-based stuff, I guess I'll have a look at Scala, which is more expressive; at least I heard so.
12:06 zenog El_Che: you may like this: https://github.com/zenogantner/MyMediaLiteJava
12:09 El_Che zenog: is c# that much more expressive?
12:10 zenog El_Che: yes
12:11 El_Che so, what pull you to use java again?
12:11 El_Che mono-resistance in de linux world (and irrelevance in the unix world).
12:11 El_Che ?
12:12 daxim I have the same resistance against java
12:12 El_Che daxim: not the technical one. The "i don't microsoft"-one
12:12 daxim both are risks because they are not open, despite the superficial appearance
12:13 El_Che openjdk 7 is there (but true, not the certification suite)
12:13 daxim when you don't microsoft, then you certainly don't oracle,
12:13 El_Che daxim: but, yes, Oracle is cram (tm)
12:13 El_Che crap
12:14 El_Che I am opening here some project to migrate some projects to Linux
12:14 daxim You see a cram ration here. Picked up a cram ration. Eat what? (q-suxB) The cram ration is bland.
12:14 El_Che First thing Oracle did was to kill opensolaris, rise the prices and kill third party support contracts
12:14 zenog El_Che: In C#, you have extension methods, _real_ generics, lambda expressions and first-class functions, nicer compatibility between Collections and arrays, less overhead when defining properties, implicit typing, more elegant type inspection etc.
12:14 El_Che an yes, also alternative sparc vendors
12:15 zenog El_Che: As a language, it feels a bit more Perlish than Java, if one can say this about a statically typed language ;-)
12:15 El_Che zenog: java will probably get most of it. It lost a lot of time when SUN stopped investing on it
12:15 zenog But politics may be of course a problem. Even though I doubt it is in reality.
12:15 El_Che zenog: I have to see the first mono-based production setup
12:16 zenog If one would believe in software patents etc. as a realistic threat, one should not be in the software business.
12:16 El_Che zenog: it's about diminishing the risk related to a company that often has estated it wants to kill you
12:17 zenog El_Che: btw, the pull to Java is job related, and because some people like to use Java ;-)
12:17 daxim still, syntax/verbosity is teh suck™.  look at how you do introspection, to pick up a current topic:  http://blog.filipekberg.se/2011/10/12/getting-inf​ormation-about-a-method-and-its-local-variables/
12:17 El_Che unrelatedly, I wrote java todoy :)
12:17 El_Che it was a long time ago
12:17 El_Che it took 10m to update my IDE :)
12:19 zenog daxim: In C# it is still easier than last time I tried the same with Java. I mean with generics in Java, the types are *gone* at runtime.
12:19 El_Che true
12:19 El_Che but does it really matter?
12:20 El_Che I found generics for collections ok, but everything further than that pretty complicated
12:21 zenog El_Che: Yes, collections are by far the most important application of generics; the other use are crazy hacks, which should appeal to Perl people.
12:22 zenog El_Che: Problem with Java collections is that they are not so good if you try to do large-scale high performance computing.
12:23 zenog El_Che: You have a 100% memory overhead with integers, and 50% with floating points, if you use the collections shipped with Java.
12:23 El_Che due to autoboxing?
12:24 zenog Sort of. The stuff is stored in a Object[] array, which contains references to Integer/Double. This means you store those references, which you should not have to.
12:25 El_Che ic
12:25 zenog Autoboxing itself is another thing that may hurt you even when you use things like fastutil which uses primitive types for internal storage.
12:26 zenog Now, this is something you do not have to worry about except if you really have _lots_ of data (close to not fitting into memory any more).
12:26 zenog Other than that, Java is a nice and fast language, with a huge ecosystem and so on ...
12:30 zenog lunch &
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13:56 zenog hm, copy-paste on Ubuntu is still somewhat broken. Is this due to the new Wx:.Scintilla?
13:58 bowtie zenog, see #1312
13:58 Hyppolit # 1312 :  Mouse (Ubuntu) Copy Paste X-Clipboard (new defect) by bowtie  [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1312#comment:14 ]
14:08 sugar padre is cooler and cooler
14:17 bowtie sugar, have you seen: http://padre.perlide.org/trac​/wiki/Features/Perl5Debugger
14:20 sugar i saw debugger in 0.90, and i liked it
14:20 sugar new looks better =)
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15:20 Hyppolit wiki page http://padre.perlide.org/trac​/wiki/Features/Perl5Debugger changed by bowtie
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20:29 Topic for #padre is now Latest Padre is 0.92 - For installation see http://padre.perlide.org/trac/wiki/Download | Log: http://perlide.org/irclogs/ and http://irclog.perlgeek.de/padre/today | Pasting: http://scsys.co.uk:8001
21:30 Hyppolit svn: r17497 | submersible_toaster++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/17497
21:30 Hyppolit P-P-OXP
21:30 Hyppolit
21:30 Hyppolit add reference sheets for oolite galaxies
21:30 Hyppolit update rendering macros.
21:30 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-OXP/share/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-OXP/share/oolite/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-OXP/share/povray/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-OXP/share/povray/cm/
21:37 Hyppolit wiki page http://padre.perlide.org/trac​/wiki/Features/Perl5Debugger changed by bowtie
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22:09 tome Hi, earlier sugar noted the channel topic is pointing people to http://perlide.org/irclogs/  which does not work, any chance a mod can fix the topic (or the logs at that location)
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22:52 Topic for #padre is now Latest Padre is 0.92 - For installation see http://padre.perlide.org/trac/wiki/Download | Log: http://irclog.perlgeek.de/padre/today | Pasting: http://scsys.co.uk:8001
22:52 El_Che thx tome
23:10 Hyppolit svn: r17498 | bowtie++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/17498
23:10 Hyppolit tweaking around with evaluate expresion
23:10 Hyppolit now shows $ @ % in Debug-Output
23:10 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Panel/
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