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IRC log for #padre, 2011-12-11

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08:11 Hyppolit svn: r17649 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/17649
08:11 Hyppolit Upgraded to Scintilla 3.0.2. Notable changes CoffeeScript lexer
08:11 Hyppolit trunk/Wx-Scintilla/wx-scint​illa/src/scintilla/include/ trunk/Wx-Scintilla/wx-scintilla/src/scintilla/src/
08:12 Hyppolit svn: r17650 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/17650
08:12 Hyppolit Generated Wx::Scintilla::Constant which now contain CoffeeScript lexer constants
08:12 Hyppolit trunk/Wx-Scintilla/lib/Wx/Scintilla/
08:13 Hyppolit svn: r17651 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/17651
08:13 Hyppolit Bumped version to Wx::Scintilla 0.35_05
08:13 Hyppolit trunk/Wx-Scintilla/ trunk/Wx-Scintilla/lib/Wx/ trunk/Wx-Scintilla/lib/Wx/Scintilla/
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08:54 azawawi cpanm http://cpan.metacpan.org/authors/id/A/​AZ/AZAWAWI/Wx-Scintilla-0.35_05.tar.gz
08:54 azawawi hi #padre
08:54 azawawi please try this version
08:54 azawawi and let me know if you encounter any crashes,...etc
08:55 azawawi if all is well, 0.35_05 will be 0.36 stable
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08:55 bowtie gm
08:56 azawawi bowtie: gm
08:56 azawawi bowtie: please read the announcement i just made in irc log :)
08:56 azawawi bowtie: and how r u today?
08:56 bowtie hello, I am ust installing it :)
08:57 bowtie azawawi, every day I get better in a little way :)
08:59 azawawi nice
09:04 bowtie azawawi, now running 35_05 all seams well
09:07 bowtie azawawi, Q for you, how do we do Tools->Preferences->Advanced->main_tool-bar_items Reset and can we do it before toolbar is first run?
09:08 azawawi let me check it first
09:08 bowtie thanks
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09:30 waxhead hey everyone...
09:30 waxhead how goes Padre development?
09:31 waxhead Are we likely to have another release before Christmas?
09:44 bowtie waxhead,  what are you thinking fix on 16th release on 23rd, how wise am I :)
09:45 waxhead Nope,I'm driving to Queensland on the 23rd, so it has to be earlier...
09:46 bowtie waxhead,  thursdays then
09:46 waxhead sure.. if we're ready to go for a release no worries...
09:47 waxhead can't be too late a night... working until lunch, then driving about 6 hours up the road, over nighting and then onwards to my home town for a week and a half...
09:47 waxhead I have a new camera and intend to use it a heck of a lot... :)
09:47 waxhead https://plus.google.com/photos/107285859​481054669999/albums/5684756673112265889
09:48 bowtie waxhead, either that or an early new year, which would enable our families to see us
09:50 waxhead true.. I'll be back about the 5th... however there's a big car show here that weekend, and yes I'm going to be there taking lots of photos!  :)
09:54 bowtie waxhead, if you have used the current trunk you will see the icon issue, that i have no idea how to fix other than prefs reset
09:54 azawawi waxhead: hi
09:54 azawawi waxhead: please test wx::scintilla 0.35_05
09:55 azawawi waxhead: if there are no crashes, we will switch it on
09:56 bowtie azawawi, going to test on primary back in 15
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10:03 waxhead azawawi, hey... sorry.. juggling things here a bit.. :)
10:03 waxhead azawawi, I'll have a go at it.. not likely tonight though, started work at 0445 this morning...
10:18 azawawi so when does the Christmas holiday start?
10:19 * azawawi remembers Christmas back in Boston 2001 :)
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10:20 bowtie back
10:20 bowtie azawawi, primary at 0.35_05 all ok
10:20 waxhead azawawi, for me?  23rd back about the 5th, just in time for our big car festival... so will go to that most of the weekend I'm back.. :)
10:20 waxhead ok, need to get to bed.. whacked... :(
10:20 waxhead night
10:26 azawawi bowtie: switch it on after 2 days... if all goes fine
10:26 azawawi bowtie: and we'll enable the coffee lexer in padre 0.94
10:26 azawawi coffeescript
10:27 bowtie azawawi, what is coffeescript used for?
10:31 azawawi http://jashkenas.github.com/coffee-script/
10:33 bowtie thanks
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15:44 odyniec Hi everyone. I'm a GCI mentor, and I'm reviewing the translation of Padre sent by a student, but I'm not that familiar with the IDE itself. I assume the "My" plugin is a proper noun and as such "My" should not be translated, am I right?
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18:32 szabgab hi guys, after a long time today I svn up-ed
18:33 szabgab installed the dependencies
18:33 szabgab and the unit tests fail in various ways
18:33 szabgab on Linux
18:33 szabgab Undefined subroutine &Wx::gettext called at /home/gabor/work/padre/Padre/b​lib/lib/Padre/PluginHandle.pm
18:33 szabgab line 22
18:39 szabgab knock, know, anyone ?
18:46 odyniec Repeating my question from earlier, maybe someone will notice it now :) I'm a GCI mentor, and I'm reviewing the translation of Padre sent by a student, but I'm not that familiar with the IDE itself. I assume the "My" plugin is a proper noun and as such "My" should not be translated, am I right?
18:46 szabgab hi odyniec
18:47 odyniec hi szabgab
18:47 szabgab I guess it should stay My
18:47 szabgab as it is My.pm
18:47 odyniec so that's what I thought, thanks
18:48 odyniec while we're at it maybe you can also shed some light at this error message:
18:48 odyniec "working now with some gigery pokery to get around\n" "Intermitent Error, You can't FIRSTKEY with the %~ hash"
18:48 odyniec it's lib/Padre/Wx/FBP/Debugger.pm:210
18:49 odyniec and I have no idea what this means :)
18:49 szabgab :)
18:50 * szabgab is trying to check
18:50 szabgab but I have no idea
18:50 szabgab bowtie might know
18:51 szabgab I think those are his words :)
18:51 bowtie odyniec, if you ask the debugger to give you X !(INC|ENV|SIG), some time you get and error of type You can't FIRSTKEY with the %~ hash
18:52 bowtie odyniec, hence I have tryed to limit it's use to when I think it's safe
18:52 odyniec got it, thanks
18:53 bowtie odyniec, have you seen the wiki page
18:53 szabgab bowtie: are you also on the padre-dev list?
18:54 szabgab I just sent there a buch of errors I get when trying to run make test for padre
18:54 bowtie szabgab, yes, but just noticed peters Xmas e-mail
18:55 odyniec bowtie: just found it now
18:55 bowtie odyniec, sorry http://padre.perlide.org/trac​/wiki/Features/Perl5Debugger
18:56 odyniec oh, I thought you meant the wiki page on translations :) which I also haven't seen
18:58 bowtie odyniec, I thought i would use the wiki for live note's so as to enable other's to get my logic and resining
18:59 odyniec bowtie: sure, sounds reasonable
19:00 odyniec all this reviewing of the translation made me want to try out Padre :)
19:00 szabgab :)
19:05 bowtie szabgab, as for plugin-handle is this part of adams next move forward :)
19:08 szabgab so I won't try to understand the problem and hope that he will fix it?
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19:12 mib_rd Hi - PADRE newbie ... Win 7 64bit. Activestate Perl 5.14. Followed instructions from http://micksmix.wordpress.com/2009/07/13/how-to​-install-padre-on-windows-and-activeperl-5-10/ and get error looking for:wxmsw28u_core_vc_custom.dll ... any suggestions?
19:13 szabgab hi mib_rd
19:13 szabgab you might want to start by changing your nickname to some more personal name :)
19:13 szabgab type   /nick personal_name
19:13 mib_rd call me richard ...
19:14 richard thanks!
19:14 szabgab richard++
19:14 szabgab that lookse like a wx issue
19:14 richard I am confused I think by the instructions. I did the PPM package installs, but do I also need to download a Padre MSI?
19:15 szabgab but those were for 5.10 and you are using 5.14
19:15 szabgab are you also a perl newbie?
19:15 szabgab or only to padre?
19:15 richard not a perl newbie ... occasional ... new to padre
19:16 szabgab ok, and why did you go with ActivePerl?
19:16 szabgab is that some requirement?
19:16 richard i had been using that for years on my previous pc
19:16 richard i actually had EPIC/Eclipse working on prev pc but that is so heavyweight I thought I would try something lighter
19:17 szabgab http://padre.perlide.org/download.html
19:17 szabgab it seems there are still no packages for 5.14
19:17 szabgab hmm
19:18 szabgab PPM packages I mean
19:18 richard so I see that page and it talks about padre on strawberry - but do I need to install that MSI anyway
19:18 szabgab so it is either ActivePerl + PPM or the MSI that is Strawberry
19:19 szabgab but I am not sure if there are PPMs for 5.14
19:19 szabgab I'd suggest you send an e-mail to Mark Dootson and ask him
19:19 szabgab as he is the one maintaining the PPM packages of Padre
19:20 szabgab then if he builds them then you can install on AP using ppm
19:20 richard but would the PPM packages have the required DLL's or would I need to have those from some other install?
19:20 szabgab the Wx ppms should include the right dlls
19:21 szabgab but I guess the ones you installed were for another version of perl
19:21 szabgab or some other problem
19:21 szabgab the best might be to talk to Mark directly
19:21 richard ok - thanks!
19:22 szabgab and if that does not work out
19:22 szabgab uninstall ActivePerl and instal the MSI from thepadre website
19:22 richard ok - thanks again
19:23 szabgab you are welcome
19:23 szabgab and welgone :)
19:24 szabgab :)
19:25 szabgab Mithaldu: I did not know you hide as a sheep
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19:27 richard Hi again - Richard back again ...  I found my problem ... it wasn't clear and wasn't a pre-req but on a hunch I PPMed Wx-ActiveX and that did it... all working.
19:28 szabgab oh nice :)
19:28 szabgab which version of Padre is that?
19:29 richard 0.86
19:31 szabgab pretty old, there are lot of new bugs since then :)
19:31 szabgab that still has the old and unusable debugger
19:31 szabgab that I wrote
19:32 richard hopefully my simple stuff will work ok on it...
19:32 szabgab not the debugger
19:32 szabgab that's totally stupid
19:32 richard oh :(
19:32 szabgab but bowtie wrote a new one
19:32 szabgab but I think it is only in the next release
19:33 szabgab :(
19:33 bowtie szabgab, so you like it :)
19:33 szabgab I have not seen it yet :)
19:33 szabgab I jsut launched padre after a long time
19:33 bowtie szabgab, now default in trunk 0.93
19:33 szabgab but I'll try all kind of things
19:33 szabgab and complain
19:37 richard I am stepping through a script in the debugger right now - seems fine ... should I worry ? ... or any advice on how to proceed if I need simple debugging?
19:39 szabgab well, maybe really simple things worked
19:39 szabgab richard: you might want to try the development version
19:39 szabgab you would svn checkout the tress
19:40 szabgab will need to ppm install some more dependencies
19:40 szabgab but probably only a few pure perl onese
19:40 richard outside my paygrade I think
19:40 szabgab so you might use the cpan client
19:40 szabgab :)
19:40 szabgab I don't think so
19:40 szabgab it isn't that difficult
19:41 szabgab do you use svn?
19:41 richard no
19:41 szabgab amy other version control?
19:41 szabgab s/amy/any/
19:42 richard no ... very basic local scripting work
19:43 szabgab everyone should use versin control
19:43 szabgab even for local script work
19:43 szabgab but I got to fetch some food now :)
19:43 richard ok - thanks!
19:43 richard bye
19:51 Mithaldu szabgab: sleep mode, sheep counting and such :)
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