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TiMBuS |
hey so does anyone know how to fix padre's copy/paste issue with wxgtk |
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TiMBuS |
ive messed up the editor.pm file so bad at this point it won't even start :< |
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TiMBuS |
oh, my bad. the problem: as per #390, highlighting any text in padre clears the clipboard for some reason. unless you have copied text from another application, in which case it survives |
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Hyppolit |
# 390 : Copy and Paste onto highlighted text (assigned defect) by bowtie [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/[…]et/390#comment:25 ] |
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woa thats not bad |
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Hyppolit |
# 1369 : ToDo Panel Crashes Padre (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/1369 ] |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r17787 | bowtie++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/17787 |
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Hyppolit |
added Debug-Client version to About Dialog Information display |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/ |
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tome |
Quick heads up that I posted an OSX DMG for 0.92 on wildper.com : http://wildperl.com/2011/12/os[…]e-for-padre-0-92/ in case anyone wants to checkk it out and let me know if it works. |
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tome++ |
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bowtie |
cool |
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tome |
wish I had more time to do more... been totally slammed |
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bowtie |
tome, seasons greetings and all that :) |
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tome |
to you as well |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r17788 | bowtie++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/17788 |
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Hyppolit |
just a tweak to displaying Debug-Client only when loaded |
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trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/ |
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xiong |
Sorry; is it okay to discuss Padre development here? Or is this basically just a channel for reporting changes? |
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sugar |
i think it's okay |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r17789 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/17789 |
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Hyppolit |
Update the messages.pot file |
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trunk/Padre/share/locale/ |
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xiong |
I'm looking to see if there's a fit among Padre people and my ideas, which more and more seem to point to IDE. |
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bowtie |
which is? |
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xiong |
These seem to revolve around working tree management, build automation, and test script authoring and tracking. The latter is a particular concern of mine; I don't like ad-hoc test writing. |
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bowtie |
your suggestion is? |
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xiong |
bowtie, Oh no, I wouldn't dare make a suggestion. Padre looks to me like active, well-thought-out development. Why would I joggle your elbow? |
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xiong |
Rather, I'm wondering if I can/should/might execute my ideas as Padre plugins. |
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bowtie |
xiong, I though open source was all about pointed elbow's, give it a go :) |
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xiong |
Perhaps if I got underway with plugin development and I saw that I needed another feature in the API, I might mention it, yes? But I'm not there yet at all. |
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bowtie |
as for Plugins have you viewed http://padre.perlide.org/trac/[…]PadrePluginDialog |
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xiong |
I wouldn't be vague about the needed feature, either. |
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looks |
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xiong |
I may have more questions later about the actual process of writing and testing a plugin. Right now I'm just trying to see if the projects I've been flailing around with make *sense* to Padre people. |
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bowtie |
and they are? |
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bowtie |
xiong, if you write a Plugin you become a Padre person, catch 22 :) |
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xiong |
Sorry; which direction would you like me to go in explanation? Show stuff? |
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bowtie |
xiong, just put your thoughts here and others will comment |
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xiong |
Um yes. You said, bowtie, 'and they are?' -- meaning, I guess, they = my projects/IDE-related ideas/etc. I'd like to explain.... in which direction? |
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bowtie |
please do |
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xiong |
More abstract? More concrete? Examples? Theory? |
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xiong |
I'm trying to throw something out to see if it sticks. |
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xiong |
I don't want to go off on a tedious tangent, though. |
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bowtie |
you decide, if others require more info they will ask you |
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bowtie |
xiong, ok now count to 10, big breath and start :) |
| 20:39 |
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xiong |
I've been dealing with multiple issues ever since I started writing Perl. I've asked for help repeatedly over the years; my feeling is that nobody has good answers and they've long ago just decided to suck it up and ignore these issues. |
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xiong |
These issues all seem, when looked at a certain way, to fall under IDE -- perhaps. |
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xiong |
Let's take just one. |
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xiong |
Module::Starter is a fine idea but it's too brittle. You get basically one way to do it. |
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xiong |
It's not easy to change how a project is started; and there's no obvious way to initiate different types of projects -- to maintain multiple profiles, if you will. |
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bowtie |
xiong, we used to have this http://padre.perlide.org/trac/[…]keletonGeneration |
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xiong |
I've started most of my recent projects by copying an old one and ruthlessly deleting everything specific: copy-edit. I suspect others do the same, more than they admit, and more than they use Module::Starter. |
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xiong |
... or hx2s |
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xiong |
Yes, bowtie. That. |
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bowtie |
xiong, if you want to see code try #1324 |
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Hyppolit |
# 1324 : One of our features is missing... Skelton Build or Module::Starter (assigned enhancement) by adamk [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/[…]et/1324#comment:3 ] |
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xiong |
I'm not quite familiar enough to understand the status of this. Something went wrong? Somebody who was managing this... dropped out? |
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bowtie |
xiong, no it was removed, as to why as Alias |
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bowtie |
s/as/ask/ |
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xiong |
This is what convinced me that I wasn't the only one with issues: http://search.cpan.org/~yappo/[…]b/Module/Setup.pm |
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xiong |
"Module::Starter is very useful module. However customize of module template is complex. If Module::Starter::PBP is used, do you solve it? Yes, but switch of two or more templates is complex." |
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xiong |
Um, I don't think his approach is right, either; or for that matter, the dialog you showed, bowtie, no offense. |
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bowtie |
xiong, please go head, and create a Plugin, you can then set it out in a way that makes current sense |
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xiong |
There's a lot of these highly programmatic approaches. Dozens of options, hours of study-up to decide if it's going to do what you want. The dev-user is led to copy-edit from existing projects as path of least resistance. |
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xiong |
My thought is more of a project *digester*. You throw an existing project in the top and it chews it up and creates a skeleton from that, following *your* preferences. |
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xiong |
Anyway, okay, yes, my interest is there and clearly, it's not new ground for Padre. I'm concerned, though; if Alien threw it out, I should find out why? |
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bowtie |
cool, now you have started |
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bowtie |
Alien lol |
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xiong |
Please explain. |
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xiong |
I'm not much of an intuitive politician; it's better for me to see explicit structure. |
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bowtie |
you mean alias aka ADAMK |
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xiong |
{confused} |
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xiong |
I see ADAMK has very little to do with Padre; he's shown as author of a single plugin. |
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bowtie |
xiong, see https://metacpan.org/author/ADAMK |
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xiong |
Was just there on cpan.org. /me looks |
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bowtie |
and http://padre.perlide.org/developers.html |
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xiong |
Okay, still not clear to me. ADAMK has two PAUSE accounts? |
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xiong |
Maybe this is not germane. |
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bowtie |
try this then: https://www.ohloh.net/p/padre/[…]ery=&sort=commits |
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xiong |
bowtie> xiong, no it was removed, as to why [ask] Alias |
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xiong |
I can see you've been busy, at any rate. |
| 21:06 |
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bowtie |
xiong, I do not know why, alias decided to remove it, you will have to ask him. ( alias GMT +10) |
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xiong |
bowtie, Sorry, I'm getting stuck on this one issue. Who is 'alias'? |
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xiong |
You keep pointing to ADAMK. Why 'alias'? |
| 21:09 |
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bowtie |
alias is ADAMK nick name here on #padre |
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xiong |
Okay. |
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xiong |
... and he's running the Padre show? Although perhaps nobody wants to put it that way. |
| 21:10 |
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bowtie |
I could not possible comment :) (house of cards) |
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xiong |
Right, understood. |
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xiong |
Okay, so maybe I should talk about this and see if I can restart it. |
| 21:12 |
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bowtie |
yes, we have |
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xiong |
?? |
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xiong |
I'll look into this. I've been thinking that my work would be better done in an existing framework, rather than become yet another pile of sticks in the desert. |
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bowtie |
xiong, there are 4 super users ( szabgab, alais, azawawi and PLAVEN ) |
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xiong |
Ah. |
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bowtie |
xiong, ask szabgab for an svn plugin access, and just write it :) |
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xiong |
Oh, I don't know a thing about svn. Which brings me to another question; Why not git? Why that decision? |
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bowtie |
svn was here when I came along |
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xiong |
Another question to ask the nobs. |
| 21:19 |
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bowtie |
yes :) |
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xiong |
I take it, one does not simply write a plugin and upload it to CPAN. |
| 21:19 |
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xiong |
There is some approval process. |
| 21:21 |
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bowtie |
xiong, you could, but you will find plugins in padre trunk http://padre.perlide.org/trac/wiki/Development |
| 21:22 |
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bowtie |
xiong, have you registered on trac? |
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xiong |
Oh no. |
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xiong |
I'm in PAUSE. |
| 21:23 |
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bowtie |
please do |
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bowtie |
Hyppolit, trac! |
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Hyppolit |
Trac registration opened for 5 minutes. Please visit http://padre.perlide.org/trac/register to register |
| 21:23 |
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bowtie |
then you can add to ticket #1324 |
| 21:23 |
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Hyppolit |
# 1324 : One of our features is missing... Skelton Build or Module::Starter (assigned enhancement) by adamk [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/[…]et/1324#comment:3 ] |
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xiong |
Registered. |
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bowtie |
now you can add to #1324 |
| 21:27 |
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Hyppolit |
# 1324 : One of our features is missing... Skelton Build or Module::Starter (assigned enhancement) by adamk [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/[…]et/1324#comment:3 ] |
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Hyppolit |
Trac registration closed |
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Hyppolit |
# 1324 : One of our features is missing... Skelton Build or Module::Starter (assigned enhancement) by xiong [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/[…]et/1324#comment:4 ] |
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bowtie |
xiong, cool :) |
| 21:32 |
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xiong |
Thanks, bowtie. |
| 21:32 |
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bowtie |
you can dump your thoughts in ticket if you want as well as here, |
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xiong |
Well, it's all well to mumble about stuff but I should eventually get around to loading up the code... as a project... and seeing what I can do with it. |
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xiong |
The existing, defunct Dialog::ModuleStart... I should start with this and at least build my local copy of Padre to include it. |
| 21:35 |
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xiong |
And talk to alias, find out why it was removed. |
| 21:36 |
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bowtie |
xiong, I look forward to more chats in the future :) |
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xiong |
Thanks, bowtie. |
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xiong |
Thanks for the pointers. |
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