Camelia, the Perl 6 bug

IRC log for #padre, 2011-12-30

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05:28 TiMBuS hey so does anyone know how to fix padre's copy/paste issue with wxgtk
05:29 TiMBuS ive messed up the editor.pm file so bad at this point it won't even start :<
05:30 TiMBuS oh, my bad. the problem: as per #390, highlighting any text in padre clears the clipboard for some reason. unless you have copied text from another application, in which case it survives
05:30 Hyppolit # 390 :  Copy and Paste onto highlighted text (assigned defect) by bowtie  [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/390#comment:25 ]
05:31 TiMBuS woa thats not bad
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09:53 bowtie gm
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12:29 Hyppolit # 1369 :  ToDo Panel Crashes Padre (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/1369 ]
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18:10 Hyppolit svn: r17787 | bowtie++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/17787
18:10 Hyppolit added Debug-Client version to About Dialog Information display
18:10 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
18:59 tome Quick heads up that I posted an OSX DMG for 0.92 on wildper.com : http://wildperl.com/2011/12/​osx-package-for-padre-0-92/     in case anyone wants to checkk it out and let me know if it works.
19:02 bowtie tome++
19:02 bowtie cool
19:02 tome wish I had more time to do more... been totally slammed
19:03 bowtie tome, seasons greetings and all that :)
19:03 tome to you as well
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19:27 Hyppolit svn: r17788 | bowtie++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/17788
19:27 Hyppolit just a tweak to displaying Debug-Client only when loaded
19:27 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
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19:40 xiong Sorry; is it okay to discuss Padre development here? Or is this basically just a channel for reporting changes?
19:42 sugar i think it's okay
20:17 Hyppolit svn: r17789 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/17789
20:17 Hyppolit Update the messages.pot file
20:17 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/share/locale/
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20:25 xiong I'm looking to see if there's a fit among Padre people and my ideas, which more and more seem to point to IDE.
20:26 bowtie which is?
20:26 xiong These seem to revolve around working tree management, build automation, and test script authoring and tracking. The latter is a particular concern of mine; I don't like ad-hoc test writing.
20:27 bowtie your suggestion is?
20:27 xiong bowtie, Oh no, I wouldn't dare make a suggestion. Padre looks to me like active, well-thought-out development. Why would I joggle your elbow?
20:28 xiong Rather, I'm wondering if I can/should/might execute my ideas as Padre plugins.
20:29 bowtie xiong, I though open source was all about pointed elbow's, give it a go :)
20:29 xiong Perhaps if I got underway with plugin development and I saw that I needed another feature in the API, I might mention it, yes? But I'm not there yet at all.
20:30 bowtie as for Plugins have you viewed http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/wiki/PadrePluginDialog
20:30 xiong I wouldn't be vague about the needed feature, either.
20:30 * xiong looks
20:32 xiong I may have more questions later about the actual process of writing and testing a plugin. Right now I'm just trying to see if the projects I've been flailing around with make *sense* to Padre people.
20:33 bowtie and they are?
20:34 bowtie xiong, if you write a Plugin you become a Padre person, catch 22 :)
20:35 xiong Sorry; which direction would you like me to go in explanation? Show stuff?
20:36 bowtie xiong, just put your thoughts here and others will comment
20:37 xiong Um yes. You said, bowtie, 'and they are?' -- meaning, I guess, they = my projects/IDE-related ideas/etc. I'd like to explain.... in which direction?
20:37 bowtie please do
20:37 xiong More abstract? More concrete? Examples? Theory?
20:38 xiong I'm trying to throw something out to see if it sticks.
20:38 xiong I don't want to go off on a tedious tangent, though.
20:38 bowtie you decide, if others require more info they will ask you
20:39 bowtie xiong, ok now count to 10, big breath and start :)
20:39 xiong I've been dealing with multiple issues ever since I started writing Perl. I've asked for help repeatedly over the years; my feeling is that nobody has good answers and they've long ago just decided to suck it up and ignore these issues.
20:39 xiong These issues all seem, when looked at a certain way, to fall under IDE -- perhaps.
20:39 xiong Let's take just one.
20:40 xiong Module::Starter is a fine idea but it's too brittle. You get basically one way to do it.
20:41 xiong It's not easy to change how a project is started; and there's no obvious way to initiate different types of projects -- to maintain multiple profiles, if you will.
20:42 bowtie xiong, we used to have this http://padre.perlide.org/trac/wiki/​Features/ProjectSkeletonGeneration
20:42 xiong I've started most of my recent projects by copying an old one and ruthlessly deleting everything specific: copy-edit. I suspect others do the same, more than they admit, and more than they use Module::Starter.
20:42 xiong ... or hx2s
20:43 xiong Yes, bowtie. That.
20:44 bowtie xiong, if you want to see code try #1324
20:44 Hyppolit # 1324 :  One of our features is missing...   Skelton Build or Module::Starter (assigned enhancement) by adamk  [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1324#comment:3 ]
20:46 xiong I'm not quite familiar enough to understand the status of this. Something went wrong? Somebody who was managing this... dropped out?
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20:47 bowtie xiong, no it was removed, as to why as Alias
20:48 bowtie s/as/ask/
20:50 xiong This is what convinced me that I wasn't the only one with issues: http://search.cpan.org/~yappo/Modu​le-Setup-0.09/lib/Module/Setup.pm
20:51 xiong "Module::Starter is very useful module. However customize of module template is complex. If Module::Starter::PBP is used, do you solve it? Yes, but switch of two or more templates is complex."
20:51 xiong Um, I don't think his approach is right, either; or for that matter, the dialog you showed, bowtie, no offense.
20:52 bowtie xiong, please go head, and create a Plugin, you can then set it out in a way that makes current sense
20:52 xiong There's a lot of these highly programmatic approaches. Dozens of options, hours of study-up to decide if it's going to do what you want. The dev-user is led to copy-edit from existing projects as path of least resistance.
20:53 xiong My thought is more of a project *digester*. You throw an existing project in the top and it chews it up and creates a skeleton from that, following *your* preferences.
20:54 xiong Anyway, okay, yes, my interest is there and clearly, it's not new ground for Padre. I'm concerned, though; if Alien threw it out, I should find out why?
20:54 bowtie cool, now you have started
20:55 bowtie Alien lol
20:55 xiong Please explain.
20:56 xiong I'm not much of an intuitive politician; it's better for me to see explicit structure.
20:56 bowtie you mean alias aka ADAMK
20:57 xiong {confused}
20:58 xiong I see ADAMK has very little to do with Padre; he's shown as author of a single plugin.
20:58 bowtie xiong, see https://metacpan.org/author/ADAMK
20:59 xiong Was just there on cpan.org. /me looks
20:59 bowtie and http://padre.perlide.org/developers.html
21:03 xiong Okay, still not clear to me. ADAMK has two PAUSE accounts?
21:04 xiong Maybe this is not germane.
21:04 bowtie try this then: https://www.ohloh.net/p/padre/contributors?commi​t=Update&amp;page=1&amp;query=&amp;sort=commits
21:04 xiong bowtie> xiong, no it was removed, as to why [ask] Alias
21:06 xiong I can see you've been busy, at any rate.
21:06 bowtie xiong, I do not know why, alias decided to remove it, you will have to ask him. ( alias GMT +10)
21:08 xiong bowtie, Sorry, I'm getting stuck on this one issue. Who is 'alias'?
21:08 xiong You keep pointing to ADAMK. Why 'alias'?
21:09 bowtie alias is ADAMK nick name here on #padre
21:09 xiong Okay.
21:09 xiong ... and he's running the Padre show? Although perhaps nobody wants to put it that way.
21:10 bowtie I could not possible comment :) (house of cards)
21:11 xiong Right, understood.
21:11 xiong Okay, so maybe I should talk about this and see if I can restart it.
21:12 bowtie yes, we have
21:12 xiong ??
21:14 xiong I'll look into this. I've been thinking that my work would be better done in an existing framework, rather than become yet another pile of sticks in the desert.
21:15 bowtie xiong, there are 4 super users ( szabgab, alais, azawawi and PLAVEN )
21:16 xiong Ah.
21:17 bowtie xiong, ask szabgab for an svn plugin access, and just write it :)
21:17 xiong Oh, I don't know a thing about svn. Which brings me to another question; Why not git? Why that decision?
21:18 bowtie svn was here when I came along
21:19 xiong Another question to ask the nobs.
21:19 bowtie yes :)
21:19 xiong I take it, one does not simply write a plugin and upload it to CPAN.
21:19 xiong There is some approval process.
21:21 bowtie xiong, you could, but you will find plugins in padre trunk http://padre.perlide.org/trac/wiki/Development
21:22 bowtie xiong, have you registered on trac?
21:23 xiong Oh no.
21:23 xiong I'm in PAUSE.
21:23 bowtie please do
21:23 bowtie Hyppolit, trac!
21:23 Hyppolit Trac registration opened for 5 minutes. Please visit http://padre.perlide.org/trac/register to register
21:23 bowtie then you can add to ticket #1324
21:23 Hyppolit # 1324 :  One of our features is missing...   Skelton Build or Module::Starter (assigned enhancement) by adamk  [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1324#comment:3 ]
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21:26 xiong Registered.
21:27 bowtie now you can add to #1324
21:27 Hyppolit # 1324 :  One of our features is missing...   Skelton Build or Module::Starter (assigned enhancement) by adamk  [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1324#comment:3 ]
21:28 Hyppolit Trac registration closed
21:30 Hyppolit # 1324 :  One of our features is missing...   Skelton Build or Module::Starter (assigned enhancement) by xiong  [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1324#comment:4 ]
21:31 bowtie xiong, cool :)
21:32 xiong Thanks, bowtie.
21:32 bowtie you can dump your thoughts in ticket if you want as well as here,
21:33 xiong Well, it's all well to mumble about stuff but I should eventually get around to loading up the code... as a project... and seeing what I can do with it.
21:34 xiong The existing, defunct Dialog::ModuleStart... I should start with this and at least build my local copy of Padre to include it.
21:35 xiong And talk to alias, find out why it was removed.
21:36 bowtie xiong, I look forward to more chats in the future :)
21:38 xiong Thanks, bowtie.
21:38 xiong Thanks for the pointers.
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