Camelia, the Perl 6 bug

IRC log for #padre, 2012-01-10

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00:00 run4flat alright, well, I gotta go home.
00:00 run4flat I'll leave this up so I don't forget to work on it tomorrow
00:00 bowtie night
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00:11 feldmaus Hi
00:13 feldmaus I am modifying <adduser> (written in Perl) with padre, but i dont know how to get help for some specific functions?
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00:19 Hyppolit svn: r17849 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/17849
00:19 Hyppolit - HTML for Padre::Wx::HtmlWindow is rendered in the background (ADAMK)
00:19 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Task/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/FBP/
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01:13 feldmaus Hi All, how can i setup padre to get infos for subs when i hover with my mouse over subs?
01:20 Hyppolit svn: r17850 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/17850
01:20 Hyppolit Update to use new Padre::Wx import options
01:20 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-FormBuilder​/lib/Padre/Plugin/FormBuilder/
01:25 Hyppolit svn: r17851 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/17851
01:25 Hyppolit Updating a variety of copyright statements to refer to 2012
01:25 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/eg/theme/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/FBP/ trunk/Padre/script/ trunk/Padre/share/languages/perl5/ trunk/Padre/share/templates/perl5/ trunk/Padre/share/themes/ trunk/Padre/win32/ trunk/Padre/xt/files/
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01:40 Hyppolit svn: r17852 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/17852
01:40 Hyppolit Minor refactoring to expose load_html in case of refactoring later which would require explicit HTML loading to be done in the background.
01:40 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
01:55 Hyppolit svn: r17853 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/17853
01:55 Hyppolit Tighter and cleaner Padre::Wx import use
01:55 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-FormBuilder​/lib/Padre/Plugin/FormBuilder/
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04:18 Hyppolit svn: r17854 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/17854
04:18 Hyppolit Update the messages.pot file
04:18 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/share/locale/
04:51 Hyppolit svn: r17855 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/17855
04:51 Hyppolit Moved FindInFiles::Output to FoundInFiles to flatten the FBP namespace (this will matter later on) and tweaked the panel design to make things a bit tighter and smoother layout.
04:51 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/FBP/
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05:43 Hyppolit svn: r17856 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/17856
05:43 Hyppolit Moved Padre::Wx::FindInFiles to Padre::Wx::Panel::FoundInFiles
05:43 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Panel/
06:09 Hyppolit svn: r17857 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/17857
06:09 Hyppolit The refresh search button now works properly, saving ALL search options and handling changes in context properly.
06:09 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Panel/
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06:52 Hyppolit svn: r17858 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/17858
06:52 Hyppolit Added documentation for Padre::Wx::TreeCtrl
06:52 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
07:18 Hyppolit svn: r17859 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/17859
07:18 Hyppolit Attempting to optimise the render performance of the Find in Files results panel for large result sets.
07:18 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Panel/
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08:18 Hyppolit svn: r17860 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/17860
08:18 Hyppolit Update the messages.pot file
08:18 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/share/locale/
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09:46 El_Che solaris 11 has perl 5.12.3
09:46 El_Che goog
09:46 El_Che it looked like they would stick with perl 5.10.0
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11:34 zenog El_Che: nice
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12:14 mj41 Can't locate object method "has_foundinfiles" via package "Padre::Wx::Main" at /home/mj/devel/padre-src/P​adre/lib/Padre/Wx/Main.pm line 2492. ... At revision 17860.
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12:37 zenog mj41: When does this happen? On startup?
12:47 zenog mj41: Could you open a ticket for that if there is no immediate response here on the channel?
12:58 mj41 zenog: When you close Find in files panel ... will look at it today evening. At $work now.
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13:09 feldmaus Hi All, can i get more information from the subs by hover the mouse over them?
13:10 mj41 zenog adamk : Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Main.pm line 584 +"    has_foundinfiles       => 'foundinfiles'," should fix it
13:12 mj41 Does any "svn -> git/github migration" task exists? :-)
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13:25 bowtie hi
13:33 zenog feldmaus: Strange, the information used to come automatically when entering the sub name, but now it does not any more (trunk/0.93).
13:35 Hyppolit wiki page http://padre.perlide.org/trac​/wiki/Features/SyntaxChecking changed by zenogantner
13:52 Hyppolit svn: r17861 | bowtie++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/17861
13:52 Hyppolit Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Main.pm line 584 +"    has_foundinfiles       => 'foundinfiles'," should fix it
13:52 Hyppolit nice catch mj41++
13:52 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
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15:20 run4flat Hello all. Last night I was trouble shooting issues that Wx was giving me. Bowtie was helping, but I had to head home before I could resolve it
15:20 run4flat The current status is this: I have an Ubuntu box with both wx-2.6 and wx-2.8 installed, and Wx only wants to build against 2.6
15:20 bowtie run4flat, hi
15:20 run4flat dev libraries are available for both
15:20 run4flat wx-config --version-full gives '2.8.11.0'
15:21 run4flat bowtie: greetings!
15:21 run4flat I can dig into the Wx sources, but if anybody knows them and can tell me where to look, I'd appreciate it
15:22 zenog run4flat: No idea, sorry. Is there a reason why you have two version installed?
15:22 run4flat admins
15:22 run4flat I am not an admin
15:23 bowtie run4flat, $dpkg --list |grep 2.6 |grep dev
15:23 bowtie try the above
15:24 shadowpaste "run4flat" at 217.168.150.38 pasted "Output of dpkg --list |grep 2.6 |grep dev" (9 lines) at http://paste.scsys.co.uk/174181
15:26 run4flat I'm not quite sure how to read that
15:28 shadowpaste "bowtie" at 217.168.150.38 pasted "or this" (10 lines) at http://paste.scsys.co.uk/174182
15:30 bowtie run4flat, I only have wx 2.6 install, what are you using 2.6 for?
15:30 bowtie opps 2.8 installed
15:31 run4flat bowtie: I'm not sure why 2.6 is installed. I could ask the admins, but they're not in at the moment. It wouldn't surprise me if they have some python bindings that use it.
15:31 run4flat (I'm the sole Perl guy working in a python shop.)
15:33 bowtie I thought python worked with both
15:34 run4flat it probably does
15:34 run4flat brb
15:38 run4flat ok, an admin showed up and I had him remove the 2.6 headers
15:39 run4flat now when I run Makefile.PL from Wx's distribution directory ('look Wx' from cpan), it complains thus:
15:39 run4flat Note (probably harmless): No library found for -lwx_gtk2ud_core-2.6
15:39 run4flat many times over
15:40 run4flat Here's an idea: is there a simple way to clean out the cpan cache?
15:40 run4flat rm -rf .cpan/sources ?
15:40 run4flat rm -rf .cpan/build ?
15:41 bowtie you could do or just pm-uninstall perl::module instead
15:41 run4flat yeah, but I don't know what module is giving the problem
15:44 run4flat Well, this might be my problem: pm-uninstall cannot find Alien::wxWidgets, but perldoc can
15:45 bowtie run4flat, ok http://padre.perlide.org/trac/wiki/DownloadUbuntu
15:45 run4flat yep
15:45 run4flat guess I should update that
15:45 bowtie dpkg -l |grep -i libwx |awk '{ print $2 }'
15:45 bowtie no let's follow it through
15:46 shadowpaste "run4flat" at 217.168.150.38 pasted "dpkg -l |grep -i libwx |awk '{ print $2 }'" (8 lines) at http://paste.scsys.co.uk/174184
15:46 run4flat yes, yes, and then re-update the docs
15:46 run4flat that's what I meant
15:47 bowtie I thought you had removed all wx 2.6 files with admin and replaced them with 2.8
15:48 run4flat perl -MAlien::wxWidgets -e 'print Alien::wxWidgets->version, "\n"'
15:48 run4flat gives output 2.006003
15:48 run4flat Alien::wxWidgets was built and installed when 2.6 existed
15:48 run4flat and hasn't been fixed
15:48 run4flat and, it's static
15:48 run4flat those values are determined at Alien::wxWidget's build time
15:48 bowtie did you install it via a deb?
15:48 run4flat Alien::wxWidgets? no
15:49 run4flat can I?
15:49 run4flat I had no idea...
15:49 run4flat Thing is, I'm trying to limit the amount of stuff that *has* to be installed by an admin
15:49 bowtie no you need to follow wiki.
15:49 run4flat No, the wiki needs to be changed
15:50 run4flat not everybody has extensive admin privileges
15:50 bowtie you need wx 2.8 remove 2.6
15:50 run4flat yes
15:50 run4flat I have done that
15:50 run4flat that can't be changed, I agree
15:50 run4flat But we should not require that users install Alien::wxWidgets via deb
15:50 bowtie dpkg -l |grep -i libwx |awk '{ print $2 }' look like wiki now?
15:51 run4flat No, they also have the 2.6 packages, but not the -dev  packages
15:51 bowtie we don't install alien-wx via deb it's out of date. cpan only
15:51 run4flat oh, ok
15:52 run4flat Good, we agree on that one. :-)
15:52 run4flat I really think the problem does not lie in having the 2.6 libs around
15:52 run4flat the problem is that Alien::wxWidgets was not uninstalled
15:52 bowtie ok then manualy delete Alien::wxWidgets from local-lib only
15:54 run4flat ok, I've uninstalled the Alien package
15:54 run4flat now I'll try installing Wx
15:56 run4flat It's building now: signs look good
15:56 run4flat it's linking with wx-2.8
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15:59 run4flat oh, to be clear about what I said earlier, I *deleted* the Alien package from local::lib
15:59 run4flat Worked!
16:02 bowtie good follow wiki and install Wx next with cpan
16:11 Hyppolit wiki page http://padre.perlide.org/trac/wiki/DownloadUbuntu changed by run4flat
16:13 run4flat My style of writing does not conform to the style of the page, but that's meant to convey that this information has not been thoroughly tested. Is that OK, or should I give it a more authoritative tone?
16:19 bowtie I think it should follow the author, ie your enhancements should be you, as for Alien::wxWidgets 2.6 I think it needs to be manually removed see http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1745375
16:20 bowtie run4flat, how is install progressing now?
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16:22 run4flat I forgot to set CPAN to follow (and I'm not using cpanm)
16:22 run4flat so, you know, it's taking forever, and occasionally I need to hit the Enter key
16:22 run4flat But Wx installed fine
16:22 bowtie just Crtl+C then cpanm -v Padre
16:23 run4flat Oh, that would work, wouldn't it?
16:23 run4flat If you Ctrl+C and then try to start cpan again, you have to force-install whatever package was being isntalled
16:23 bowtie or you could read about cpan config options :)
16:24 run4flat actually, cpan needs to to have the option 'yes to all' in addition to 'yes'
16:25 run4flat (actually, I should have just used cpanm, but it's too late for that)
16:26 run4flat hmmm... scintilla problems
16:28 run4flat bowtie: looks like the debian install should also install libgtk2-dev, or some such
16:31 bowtie run4flat, have you installed it  libgtk2.0-dev
16:31 run4flat just bugged that admin (again) and got it installed
16:32 run4flat they're debating about giving me admin privileges
16:32 shadowpaste "bowtie" at 217.168.150.38 pasted "for run4flat" (4 lines) at http://paste.scsys.co.uk/174190
16:32 bowtie it's either that or install it for you :)
16:33 shadowpaste "run4flat" at 217.168.150.38 pasted "dpkg --list |grep -i gtk |grep dev" (4 lines) at http://paste.scsys.co.uk/174193
16:33 run4flat haha, right
16:34 run4flat well, I need a bunch of dev libs installed on the machine on which I do all of this compiling, and then I can run the programs from anywhere on the nfs
16:34 run4flat yeah, Scintilla installed now
16:34 run4flat which means that libgtk2.0-dev needs to be included as a prerequisite
16:36 bowtie add it to the apt-get line then
16:37 run4flat yep, we are up and running!
16:38 run4flat I'll add it to the apt-get lines
16:38 bowtie cool
16:39 bowtie run4flat, had you thought about running Padre from trunk to assist in feedback?
16:40 Hyppolit wiki page http://padre.perlide.org/trac/wiki/DownloadUbuntu changed by run4flat
16:41 run4flat had I? No.
16:42 run4flat I'd love to help with Padre, but that would be too many irons in the fire for me.
16:42 bowtie run4flat, would you want to?
16:42 run4flat I already spend too much time at $work working on PDL and related stuff.
16:42 run4flat :-)
16:42 run4flat Thanks for the invite, though.
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16:43 bowtie can you nopaste your Padre -> help -> about -> info please
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17:21 Hyppolit svn: r17862 | bowtie++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/17862
17:21 Hyppolit check debug-client 0.16 is present
17:21 Hyppolit remove unwanted comments
17:21 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/t/
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17:30 feldmaus zenog: i only get auto-completion but no information. I am not sure whether this is supported by padre?
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17:45 run4flat feldmaus: what sort of info are you looking for?
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18:02 zenog feldmaus: It was supported, and it should be. I used it. But I have now the same problem as you. Which version do you use? I use the development version from SVN.
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18:44 feldmaus run4flat: just documentation for the subs.
18:44 feldmaus zenog: version 0.90 from debian testing
18:45 feldmaus run4flat: for example i am modifying <adduser> and search for help on the sub gtx()
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19:42 mib_c1ddvb Hi - just installed the .92 .dmg on Lion. So far, so good.
19:42 mib_c1ddvb Question, though. Is there a VI mode in Padre by default?
19:42 mib_c1ddvb I noticed there's a module on the CPAN, should I be using that?
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20:55 run4flat feldmaus: such mouseovers exist? wouldn't that consume, like, half the screen? (I'm thinking of the wonderfully verbose documentation that I see and love in Perl modules.)
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