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02:26 waxhead hey everyone
02:30 Alias__ hi
02:30 Alias__ Released yet? :)
02:35 waxhead Alias__, nope... sorry.. resetting the build laptop..
02:35 Alias__ ok
02:35 Alias__ It's ready to go
02:35 waxhead OK, cool.. once I get it built I'll branch
02:35 waxhead I also have people over at the moment so will be in and out...
02:35 Alias__ ok
02:36 waxhead if you want to branch for the release you can....
02:36 waxhead that means I can fiddle about over the course of the afternoon...
02:36 Alias__ I'll leave you to do that
02:36 Alias__ Although I can prep Changes and version
02:38 waxhead if you like
02:39 waxhead finally...
02:39 waxhead I was missing a few things in my distro to compile Wx.. :-/
02:40 waxhead OK.. Wx compiling.. going to get lunch be back after that
02:53 Hyppolit svn: r18022 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/18022
02:53 Hyppolit Updated Changes and $VERSION for release
02:53 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Browser/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Config/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/DB/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Document/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Document/CSharp/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Document/Java/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Document/Perl/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Document/Perl/QuickFix/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Document/Python/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Document/Ruby/ trunk/Padre/li
03:18 waxhead Alias__, mime.t is failing here...
03:19 Alias__ I'm fixing a few things
03:20 Hyppolit svn: r18023 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/18023
03:20 Hyppolit Setting anumber of eol-style properties
03:20 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/DB/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Document/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Document/CSharp/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Document/Java/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Document/Perl/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Document/Python/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Document/Ruby/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Locale/
03:20 Hyppolit svn: r18024 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/18024
03:20 Hyppolit Correct test count
03:20 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/t/
03:22 Hyppolit svn: r18025 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/18025
03:22 Hyppolit More eol-style properties
03:22 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Choice/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Editor/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Frame/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/FunctionList/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Role/
03:24 Hyppolit svn: r18026 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/18026
03:24 Hyppolit More properties
03:24 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Task/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/FBP/
03:25 Hyppolit svn: r18027 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/18027
03:25 Hyppolit More properties
03:25 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/ComboBox/
03:34 Hyppolit svn: r18028 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/18028
03:34 Hyppolit Last couple of properties
03:34 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Panel/
03:34 Hyppolit svn: r18029 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/18029
03:34 Hyppolit Last couple of properties
03:34 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
03:35 waxhead oh.. looks like it's passing now
03:38 waxhead doing it now under RELEASE_TESTING... :)
03:42 Hyppolit svn: r18030 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/18030
03:42 Hyppolit Some final version tweaks
03:42 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/privinc/Module/Install/PRIVATE/ trunk/Padre/script/
03:44 Hyppolit svn: r18031 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/18031
03:44 Hyppolit Fix
03:44 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/script/
03:45 shadowpaste "waxhead" at 217.168.150.38 pasted "Alias.." (12 lines) at http://paste.scsys.co.uk/177230
03:47 Alias__ hrm, that never runs on mine
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03:51 Hyppolit svn: r18032 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/18032
03:51 Hyppolit Removing some known bad action tests
03:51 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/xt/
03:51 Alias__ try again
04:03 waxhead running again
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04:12 waxhead Hmm..... still fails.. but I wonder now if I svn uped..
04:13 waxhead erm... nope
04:13 waxhead take 3
04:17 waxhead cool.. that test has passed
04:19 Hyppolit svn: r18033 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/18033
04:19 Hyppolit Update the messages.pot file
04:19 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/share/locale/
04:34 waxhead Hmmm....
04:34 waxhead not sure if this is a legit failed test or not...
04:35 shadowpaste "waxhead" at 217.168.150.38 pasted "Debugger Test failing due to perl version" (11 lines) at http://paste.scsys.co.uk/177259
05:05 Alias__ ooo
05:15 Hyppolit svn: r18034 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/18034
05:15 Hyppolit Removed usage  of 5.10 magic variables
05:15 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Panel/
05:18 Alias__ Try again
06:10 Alias__ waxhead: How are we travelling?
06:17 waxhead Sorry.. just back.
06:17 waxhead I've updated...
06:17 waxhead running tests now
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06:49 waxhead Alias__, you've done the Changes file and the version updates?
07:01 waxhead OK, all tests pass...
07:01 waxhead I'll branch shortly...
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07:50 waxhead Hmm... can't get a good release just yet... there's a missing DISPLAY check missing in a couple of tests...
07:51 waxhead cooking dinner at the moment, so I'll get back to it after that...
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08:24 Hyppolit svn: r18035 | waxhead++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/18035
08:24 Hyppolit Added DISPLAY set checks
08:24 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/t/
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08:36 Alias__ waxhead: Done yet?
08:45 waxhead OK, that worked...
08:45 waxhead nearly...
08:46 waxhead just testing that change I did
08:47 Hyppolit svn: r18036 | waxhead++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/18036
08:47 Hyppolit Creating Release 0.94 branch
08:47 Hyppolit branches/
08:47 waxhead Alias__, branched.... all yours
08:47 waxhead don't forget to set the next version
08:48 Alias__ Will do immediately
08:48 waxhead Alias__, and update Changes
08:49 Alias__ You going to be able to upload now?
08:49 Alias__ I'm not concerned for this release with waiting for translation
08:49 Alias__ Because translation is a huge focus of the next release
08:50 waxhead Alias__, oh.. is it?
08:50 Alias__ We need to do a string freeze
08:50 waxhead OK.. well that's makes things simpler.... I'
08:50 Alias__ To give translators a nice long stretch in which they can work
08:50 Alias__ Before 1.0
08:50 waxhead ll just do the release tonight then..
08:51 waxhead i was going to wait... had I known, I'd not have bothered branching...
08:51 Alias__ So 0.96 string freeze, some performance, and a few minor features
08:51 Alias__ 0.98 final platform-specific stuff on Linux and Mac, release candidate
08:51 Alias__ 1.00 final release
08:51 waxhead What's the big ticket items for this release then?
08:51 Alias__ That's my thoughts on it anyway
08:52 waxhead given you're the main commiter at the moment, your thoughts count..
08:52 Alias__ Fully completed search and replace, with rudimentary file type filtering
08:53 Alias__ Shitloads of GUI polishing, tons and tons of stuff like focus control and refreshing certain tools after when you restore Padre after another app has been in focus
08:53 waxhead Oh.. cool.
08:53 Alias__ Lots of dialogs converted over to wxFormBuilder (which resulted in a couple of feature regressions, but makes most of Padre tractable to non-programmer designers)
08:53 waxhead debugger wise?
08:53 Alias__ Oh, debugger gui landed
08:54 Alias__ Version Control tool
08:54 Alias__ Redesigned Preferences dialog
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08:54 Alias__ Feature support now user accessible
08:54 Alias__ And removed some half-finished stuff that wasn't going to be ready before 1.0
08:54 waxhead cool.. I go thorugh the Changes file and the svn log when I do the announcement...
08:54 waxhead Just getting a feel of the changes for this release
08:54 Alias__ Mostly, GUI polishing
08:55 Alias__ Especially of the core editor features
08:55 Alias__ Lots of work to make many really subtle things work better
08:56 waxhead Awesome... should be a good release then...
08:56 waxhead did you take any time off over Christmas?
08:56 Alias__ Known downsides for this release will be lower than usual translation, and a big jump in resource usage
08:56 waxhead How so with resource usage?
08:56 Alias__ Lots more CPU and memory, because the improved gui stuff is pushing the task system harder, and it's not optimising properly
08:57 waxhead I think most people forgive GUI apps being hard on resources...
08:57 Alias__ More of the heavier tools such as syntax highlight and VCS integration are reliable now
08:57 Alias__ So you tend to leave them on
08:57 waxhead And that's the things that count...
08:57 Alias__ But they fire too many background tasks too often
08:57 waxhead can't slow them down a bit?
08:57 Alias__ 0.96 goal
08:57 waxhead or are we talking on key up type of thing?
08:58 Alias__ for example
08:58 Alias__ For example, we call perl -c for syntax highlight
08:58 Alias__ er
08:58 Alias__ syntax check
08:58 Alias__ And when you change files it has to spawn another check
08:58 waxhead oh, as in change tab/editors ?
08:58 Alias__ But if you tab quickly between files, it fires off a task for the new file before the old abandoned one has finished
08:58 waxhead right...
08:58 Alias__ So you can have like 10 perl -c running in paralle
08:59 Alias__ Plus 10 calls to svn diff
08:59 waxhead woo... that would get heavy...
08:59 Alias__ And so on
08:59 waxhead does Padre handle it OK though?
08:59 Alias__ And because there are so many, worker thread specialisation fails
08:59 Alias__ Right now, we try to reuse the same workers for the same task
08:59 Alias__ To reduce the number of classes each worker has to load and make tasks spawn faster
09:00 waxhead Oh yeah, I remember reading about that.. so you start to get all the workers looking the same, big and heavy.. ?
09:00 Alias__ But because syntax check might use up ALL of the first 5 threads, things like the function list (which is cheap) will spawn thread 6 or 7 or 8
09:00 Alias__ yup
09:00 Alias__ The task system can't handle the idea of tasks with a maximum concurrence
09:00 Alias__ And it needs to before 1.0
09:00 Alias__ But I've left that for 0.96
09:01 Alias__ Rather than risk breaking everything
09:01 waxhead fair enough...
09:01 Alias__ There's too many important usability fixes in 0.94 to hold it up again
09:01 Alias__ Took WAY longer than expected, because I had to rewrite the entire MIME typing system so it could be loaded in the background
09:01 waxhead really?  ouch...
09:01 Alias__ In order to do file type filtering in Find in Files
09:01 waxhead And it was christmas, a time when people should be taking time off.. :)
09:02 Alias__ You need the background find task to be able to do mime types
09:02 Alias__ Anyways
09:02 Alias__ meh
09:02 Alias__ Done now
09:02 Alias__ I've probably spent way too many work hours on it
09:02 waxhead I'll go check out the mime stuff.. Iv'e spent some time in there in the past looking at things...
09:02 Alias__ Padre::MIME
09:03 Alias__ And half of it moved to Padre::Wx::Scintilla
09:03 waxhead yeah, but they get benefit of an editor that works well for their perl devs.. :)
09:03 Alias__ I'm fairly sure they wouldn't consider the 10 or 20 grand of my time worth that
09:03 waxhead hahaha... maybe not
09:04 waxhead they should be put up as a sponsor to the project.. :)
09:04 Alias__ yeah
09:04 Alias__ They paid for most of Swarm too
09:04 Alias__ Oh also
09:04 waxhead did they?  Is that why it was busy again?
09:04 Alias__ This release stabilises a few other things too, so I can now do a proper public release of Padre::Plugin::FormBuidler
09:04 Alias__ Padre::Plugin::FormBuilder
09:05 Alias__ And a massive amount of work has gone into both the plugin and the FBP code generation modules
09:05 waxhead OH, so Padre is a dependancy for release?
09:05 waxhead yeah I saw that last year...
09:05 waxhead I haven't been following things as closely of late...
09:05 Alias__ I discovered after 0.92 went out that Padre::Delta didn't work properly
09:06 Alias__ Plus Padre had massive bugs if you tried to mass generate a dozen files at once
09:06 Alias__ Now Padre::Delta works properly, and you can safely generate a few dozen files and then save them
09:06 waxhead I'm not even sure what Padre::Delta is... I'll go read the pod in a bit
09:07 Alias__ It's a way of applying changes to an open document without the risk of any visual gui glitches
09:08 Alias__ And in a single update, and in a single undo step, etc etc
09:09 waxhead neat...
09:09 Alias__ Will eventually be the basis for almost all source modification and refactoring
09:09 waxhead I have to admit, I've been off with my new camera and G+ lately... now that the shine has started to wear off a little, I'll get back to Padre a little more..
09:10 Alias__ We could use more people around
09:10 waxhead I'm lacking in any personal coding projects to use Padre more often...
09:10 waxhead at the moment I'm neck deep in shutter speed, ISO, aperture settings and learning image manipulation software....
09:10 waxhead we always could...
09:11 waxhead has azawawi been around lately?
09:11 Alias__ Not much
09:11 waxhead the version control and Scintilla stuff is pretty good...
09:11 Alias__ I've been feeling rather lonesome lately, only bowtie working on his debugger to keep me company
09:11 waxhead alot of that made it into 0.92
09:11 Alias__ Yup
09:11 Alias__ After he landed all that stuff for 0.92 he's moved on to other things for a while, it seems
09:11 waxhead hahaha.. that's funny because I often think you find the chatter distracting.. :)
09:12 waxhead he does that...
09:12 Alias__ You need to have other people committing
09:12 waxhead I gather he goes back to gaming for a while..
09:12 Alias__ To keep you motivated
09:12 waxhead this is true... it works really with for Ahmed
09:12 Alias__ Either that, or we need to get the popularity contest server working so we can at least see people USING Padre
09:12 waxhead Do we have a server to use for it?
09:12 waxhead I might take a look at it...
09:12 Alias__ No idea
09:13 Alias__ It needs to be something stable enough that it won't move
09:13 waxhead sure...
09:13 waxhead I'll ping szabgab about using perlide when I get the release done
09:14 Alias__ I REALLY want popcon working before 1.0
09:14 Alias__ We need to start getting a handle on who is using it and for what
09:14 waxhead popcorn???
09:14 Alias__ popcon
09:14 Alias__ popularity contest
09:14 waxhead popcon... hahahaa... got it...
09:15 waxhead well, I get a Padre tarball just fine...
09:15 waxhead hmm.. I wonder if I have padre installed on the other laptop...
09:16 Hyppolit svn: r18037 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/18037
09:16 Hyppolit Bumping version and changes file to start 0.96 release cycle
09:16 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Browser/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Config/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/DB/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Document/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Document/CSharp/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Document/Java/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Document/Perl/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Document/Perl/QuickFix/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Document/Python/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Document/Ruby/ trunk/Padre/li
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10:16 waxhead Alias__, installs clean and runs fine on Vista....
10:24 Hyppolit svn: r18038 | waxhead++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/18038
10:24 Hyppolit tag Padre-0.94
10:24 Hyppolit tags/
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10:47 waxhead Alias__, I have a release tar ball for 0.94, I did it from the branch, however since nothing has changed, I'm inclined to just delete the branch since there is nothing different between it and trunk other than your updates to the Changes file and the version
10:47 waxhead Alias__, saves me any hassle with merging back..
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11:32 waxhead OK, 0.94 has been uploaded to cpan... I'll have to write the release annoucement tomorrow night... too late to start tonight.. sorry...
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11:47 bowtie gm
11:55 waxhead hey bowtie, Padre 0.94 is on CPAN, I'll be doing the release announcement tomorrow night.. heading to bed now
11:55 bowtie waxhead++
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12:20 zenog waxhead++ Alias++
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13:46 Hyppolit wiki page http://padre.perlide.org/trac/wiki/Tickets changed by bowtie
14:03 bowtie can some one add some the versions to trac please, suggest 0.94 - 1.00 inclusive
14:09 Hyppolit # 1383 :  feature CPAN has a focus issus in SEARCH when editing module name (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/1383 ]
14:09 bowtie #1383 should be 0.94
14:09 Hyppolit # 1383 :  feature CPAN has a focus issus in SEARCH when editing module name (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/1383 ]
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16:53 dodathome Hello. Autoformat plugin is not compatible with current padre. Can someone fix this ?
16:53 bowtie dodathome, do you mean Padre::Plugin::Autoformat
16:54 dodathome yes
16:54 dodathome see https://rt.cpan.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=68466
16:58 bowtie dodathome, can you open a ticket with error messages etc... please, assign it to jquelin, azawawi  as they are the co developers, thanks see http://padre.perlide.org/trac/wiki/Plugins for more info.
16:58 dodathome ok no problem
17:00 bowtie dodathome, I will have another go at updating that wiki page, what other plugins do you use please?
17:02 dodathome bowtie: I often use Padre::Plugin::PerlTidy and Padre::Plugin::Autoformat (well used to),
17:03 dodathome bowtie: I plan to use git plugin as soon as I move Config::Model from sourceforge/mercurial to github
17:05 dodathome bowtie: and I package other plugins for debian: libpadre-plugin-datawalker-perl libpadre-plugin-perlcritic-perl. More to come if I think they are useful
17:05 bowtie dodathome, current tidy should be ok, P-P-Git loads against trunk if that helps
17:06 dodathome yes P-P-Git is fine. other plugins I've tried today are fine also. except autoformat
17:07 bowtie dodathome, critic from trunk should be ok
17:07 dodathome debian-perl policy require to package from CPAN modules. (ok, as a perl dev, I could upload them to CPAN ;-p )
17:08 bowtie dodathome, we don't get much feedback about plugins, so that is why I ask, I like critiques :)
17:09 bowtie dodathome, have you tried 0.94 yet?
17:09 dodathome I've begun packaging it. I plan to try it this week before uploading the new package to Debian/unstable
17:11 bowtie cool, so it will eventually be available to all ubuntu users
17:11 dodathome yes
17:11 bowtie dodathome++
17:11 dodathome this should help getting feedbacks :-D
17:12 bowtie so it will end up in 'ubuntu software centre'
17:13 zenog dodathome++
17:13 bowtie zenog, hi
17:28 shadowpaste "bowtie" at 217.168.150.38 pasted "padre 0.94 fails to install on perl 5.15.7 due to 'defined(@array) is deprecated' in PPI :(" (121 lines) at http://paste.scsys.co.uk/177348
17:35 dodathome ok, I need to talk to one of you to register on padre's trac. Please use dod or ddumont nick to register me. My email is ddumont at cpan.org
17:36 bowtie ok
17:36 bowtie Hyppolit, trac!
17:36 Hyppolit Trac registration opened for 5 minutes. Please visit http://padre.perlide.org/trac/register to register
17:36 bowtie there you go
17:37 dodathome ok. lol
17:38 dodathome done. thanks
17:38 bowtie dodathome, this is supposed to be fun :)
17:38 dodathome :-D
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17:41 Hyppolit Trac registration closed
17:42 Hyppolit # 1384 :  Padre::Plugin::Autoformat not compatible with recent padre (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/1384 ]
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17:56 Hyppolit svn: r18039 | bowtie++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/18039
17:56 Hyppolit update interfaces, bumped version to 1.24, runs via perl dev -a
17:56 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-Autoformat/lib/Padre/Plugin/
17:57 bowtie dodathome, try P-P-Autoformat from trunk
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18:00 Hyppolit # 1384 :  Padre::Plugin::Autoformat not compatible with recent padre (assigned defect) by bowtie  [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1384#comment:1 ]
18:08 Hyppolit # 1384 :  Padre::Plugin::Autoformat not compatible with recent padre (assigned defect) by bowtie  [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1384#comment:2 ]
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18:25 Hyppolit wiki page http://padre.perlide.org/trac/wiki/Plugins changed by bowtie
18:29 Hyppolit # 809 :  5.11.3 prereq of Padre and of some plugins (closed defect) by bowtie  [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/809#comment:1 ]
18:35 Hyppolit wiki page http://padre.perlide.org/trac/wiki/Plugins changed by bowtie
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19:37 bowtie I think this affects us https://metacpan.org/module/BINGOS/perl​-5.15.7/pod/perldelta.pod#New-Warnings
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19:38 Hyppolit svn: r18040 | bowtie++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/18040
19:38 Hyppolit #changed due to define is deprecated in perl 5.15.7
19:38 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Panel/
19:41 bowtie I think we have 113 lines that might be affected by this!
19:48 bowtie or am I just paranoid?
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20:19 Hyppolit svn: r18041 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/18041
20:19 Hyppolit Update the messages.pot file
20:19 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/share/locale/
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20:46 Hyppolit svn: r18042 | bowtie++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/18042
20:46 Hyppolit just a tweak
20:46 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Panel/
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21:54 bowtie szabgab, info only '© 2004-2011 Gabor Szabo' it's now 2012
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