Camelia, the Perl 6 bug

IRC log for #padre, 2012-01-24

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00:04 Alias bowtie: The "as per Visual Studio" is basically code for "Large popular application with professional usability people on staff do it X way, and I think following their lead on this would be a good idea"
00:06 bowtie Alias, I like it at the bottom, I can now read comments, and might even write more, it's good
00:07 Alias Yeah
00:07 bowtie alias, any thoughts on defined(@array) is deprecated
00:07 Alias Means I need to stop using tha
00:07 Alias Means I need to stop using that
00:08 bowtie it just means that you have to force Class::Inspector and PPI for bleadperl
00:09 bowtie as in perl 5.15.7
00:09 bowtie any negative side affects? with force in this case?
00:09 Alias Doubt it
00:09 Alias It's deprecated, not deleted
00:10 bowtie good :)
00:10 Alias Meaning it still works but you shouldn't use it
00:10 bowtie it's bleadperl thats normal :)
00:11 bowtie alias, you have a large fan base that require these modules
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01:17 Alias "fan" might be stretching things
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03:27 Hyppolit svn: r18055 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/18055
03:27 Hyppolit Removed deprecated function
03:27 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/
03:29 Hyppolit svn: r18056 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/18056
03:29 Hyppolit Switch to Padre::Locale::T
03:29 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
03:30 Hyppolit svn: r18057 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/18057
03:30 Hyppolit Switch to Padre::Locale::T
03:30 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Directory/
03:39 Hyppolit svn: r18058 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/18058
03:39 Hyppolit - Removed borders from the Outline tool elements (ADAMK)
03:39 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/FBP/
03:54 Hyppolit svn: r18059 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/18059
03:54 Hyppolit Clicking on a result in Replace in Files opens the file
03:54 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
03:56 Hyppolit svn: r18060 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/18060
03:56 Hyppolit - Clicking a file in the Replace in Files output opens the file (ADAMK)
03:56 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/
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04:19 Hyppolit svn: r18061 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/18061
04:19 Hyppolit Update the messages.pot file
04:19 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/share/locale/
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10:08 bowtie gm
10:14 shadowpaste "bowtie" at 217.168.150.38 pasted "alias, info only," (40 lines) at http://paste.scsys.co.uk/177738
10:15 bowtie alias, the above is for you
10:20 Alias_ Does PPI install on top of that ok?
10:21 bowtie alias, hold on a moment
10:30 shadowpaste "bowtie" at 217.168.150.38 pasted "alias, info only," (451 lines) at http://paste.scsys.co.uk/177739
10:31 bowtie alias, ok see above
10:32 Alias A simple "Yes" would have sufficed :)
10:32 Alias It's when there's a "No" that the details are interesting :)
10:32 bowtie alias, in padre dev list item [Padre-dev] upgrade to 0.94 from 0.92 failed in windows should this have been caught by Makefile.PL
10:33 bowtie would you not rather have both :)
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10:35 bowtie alias, I put the extra check for debug-client as belt n braces, the fail should have been earlier?
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10:37 Alias It's not your fault, I don't think
10:37 Alias It's CPAN.pm insisting on running the test suite for modules even when installation of the dependencies fails
10:39 bowtie so the the second test here worked, then, are you saying that the other features should check there dependence modules are installed also
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10:41 Alias No
10:41 Alias They don't have to
10:41 Alias Well, they CAN
10:41 Alias use Some::Module (); # I need this module
10:41 Alias use Some::Module 0.16 (); # It's REALLY important I have version 0.16
10:42 Alias That can act as a backup for the dependency in Makefile.PL
10:42 Alias I like to go one better
10:42 Alias Module::Install's requires_from command actually scans modules for "use Module 1.23" type statements
10:42 Alias So you don't have to double entry and you can keep the dependency in the most logical place
10:43 Alias But Padre is a bit too big for that mechanism
10:43 Alias Unless I write a version which scans recursively
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10:43 bowtie I agree it should only need to be in one place,
10:45 bowtie but due to padre being feature rich, should the features double check?
10:45 Alias If it's critical
10:45 Alias I think Padre::Wx::Editor or somewhere has a double check for a relatively recent Wx and Wx::Scintilla
10:45 Alias Might be a good idea to put a double check in for a new enough Debug::Client
10:46 Alias Although I think the check only works for use
10:46 bowtie In this case it was, as 0.11 and 0.12 would kill Padre if used against new debugger due to api changes
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10:49 bowtie alias, any thoughts on how to check and update the toolbar icons?
10:49 Alias What are you trying to do?
10:51 bowtie we talked before about this, when some one upgrades to 0.94 the debugger icons will not be displaed correctly until they do Tools->Preferences->Advanced->main_tool-bar_items Reset
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10:53 Alias Well, I WOULD have said use the configuration upgrade system
10:53 Alias But I removed it in 0.94 since it mostly sucked
10:53 Alias Just ignore it and lets see who turns up in channel to complain
10:54 bowtie Alias, it's covered in it's wiki page anyway :)
10:55 Alias Generally people don't read
10:55 Alias I mean just in general :)
10:55 nornagest hi
10:55 Alias hi
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10:57 nornagest But you're right - as long as it works withour reading anyway ;-)
10:59 nornagest I know it's kind of a meta question - but has someone tested Padre 0.94 on win32?
11:00 bowtie lol
11:05 nornagest Funny question? I just tried to upgrade via cpan, but a test failed - to make sure it's not dependency related I started updating the installed modules now. Just wanted to ask if someone successfully tried it, because I can't give more specific information about the failed test at the moment.
11:06 shadowpaste "nornagest" at 217.168.150.38 pasted "Padre 0.94 fails make test on win32" (13 lines) at http://paste.scsys.co.uk/177740
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11:34 nornagest it seems to work with force ;)
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14:44 Hyppolit # 1385 :  'execute in external window' doesn't work (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/1385 ]
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15:05 Hyppolit # 1386 :  Padre::Plugin::Vi cannot locate Padre/Wx/Dialog.pm (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/1386 ]
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16:16 Hyppolit # 1386 :  Padre::Plugin::Vi cannot locate Padre/Wx/Dialog.pm (closed defect) by bowtie  [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1386#comment:1 ]
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16:44 dod bowtie: sorry for the noise in trac. Since this module was already packaged in Debian I assumed it was quite stable from your point of view. Since this is not the case, I will ask for removal of this package from Debian.
16:44 dod I did check trac before reporting but I forgot to check the wiki page. Sorry
16:46 Hyppolit # 1386 :  Padre::Plugin::Vi cannot locate Padre/Wx/Dialog.pm (closed defect) by dod  [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1386#comment:2 ]
16:47 bowtie dod, you need to badger szabgab, or take up the rains and update the plugin yourself, it is using padre-plugin api 1.0 and needs to be updated to aoi 2.0 see http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/wiki/PadrePluginDialog
16:48 bowtie dod, do you want to update it?
16:48 dod bowtie: well, I'm an emacs fan. I was just trying to clean up our bug database.
16:49 dod So I won't adopt this module. Sorry
16:49 bowtie that's cool with me, what about the emacs plugin then
16:51 dod well, my plate is already quite full: I maintain Config::Model upstream,, for Debian, I sponsor all SDL packages, I maintain SDL-perl, padre and some plugins, package config-model for Debian ... :-p
16:52 bowtie an enthusiast then :)
16:53 dod yup. Although I'm trying not to fry my brain....
16:54 * dod -> home
17:05 nornagest Just a stupid question, now that I read about Padre::Plugin::Vi - Would it be possible/more useful to use the real vi/vim inside Padre, than to emulate it? Or would this cause to much trouble?
17:07 nornagest Thanks for making Padre, btw! (Just so you know, I really appreciate it :-))
17:08 bowtie nornagest, we like critiques, the more the better :)
17:10 nornagest I just like vim - and I like Padre - so, the module sounds interesting, but I think it would be a lot of redundant work to emulate vi behavior - that's why I'm asking.
17:12 bowtie nornagest, snap, as for the vi plugin, you will need to talk to szabgab (on holiday this week) or Alias
17:14 nornagest Ok, thanks for the hint.
17:14 nornagest I wish I could be more helpful - but my Perl experience is very limited.
17:15 bowtie nornagest, all you need to convert from api 1 to api 2 is in Cookbook
17:15 bowtie http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/wiki/PadrePluginDialog
17:16 nornagest thanks.
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18:13 zenog hi
18:14 bowtie hi
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