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08:34 Hyppolit svn: r18172 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/18172
08:34 Hyppolit Noting the existance of segfaults in signal()
08:34 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Role/
08:35 Hyppolit svn: r18173 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/18173
08:35 Hyppolit Correcting the example usage of signal
08:35 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Role/
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09:40 Hyppolit svn: r18174 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/18174
09:40 Hyppolit - Switching to the thread-safe Wx::PostEvent when sending events from
09:40 Hyppolit the background, which should dramatically reduce segfaults (DOOTSON)
09:40 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Role/
09:42 Hyppolit svn: r18175 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/18175
09:42 Hyppolit Noting why
09:42 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Role/
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09:59 Hyppolit svn: r18176 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/18176
09:59 Hyppolit Move the Storable:freeze use into the Conduit role so it is symmetrical with the equivalent ::thaw
09:59 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Role/
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10:25 bowtie gm
10:31 bowtie Alias, dose this mean you have now caught the bug, as opening a none project/session file appears to be stable
10:31 Alias nope, different bug
10:32 Alias although.....
10:32 Alias Maybe THAT is why it ended up null
10:34 bowtie different side affect, same bug
10:34 bowtie Alias++
10:34 Alias ooo
10:34 Alias Maybe...
10:34 Alias Lets CALL it fixed, and you can reopen the bug if it happens again
10:35 bowtie do you want be to re-run through the debugger and peek at the values?
10:35 bowtie be -> me
10:38 Alias Nah, it's ok
10:38 Alias Just leave it there and tell me if you ever hit it again
10:39 bowtie Alias, ok, but why you are here, if I want to change the look of shell files in Padre, what are there prefix in theme default.txt
10:41 Hyppolit svn: r18177 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/18177
10:41 Hyppolit # This should have been fixed by commit #18174 but
10:41 Hyppolit # we will leave this code for a while in case it
10:41 Hyppolit # isn't actually fixed.
10:41 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
10:41 Alias ok, I left a note
10:45 bowtie application/x-shellscript is not confirmed in wx-scintilla, or are we waiting on azawawi for this
10:46 bowtie application/x-perl -> SCE_PL
10:46 bowtie application/x-shellscript -> xxx
10:46 bowtie any ideas
11:15 Hyppolit svn: r18178 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/18178
11:15 Hyppolit Discovered Wx::GetTopLevelParent and added it to Padre::Wx::Role::Main to make ->main O(1)
11:15 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/CPAN/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Role/
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11:27 bowtie Alias, ok, i have solved by problem, I found the constant list, will add to local theme, to match colours from gvim with bash plugin, add to default when done?
11:29 Alias I guess
11:34 bowtie to share or not ?
11:39 Alias Does the look and feel match approximately what we have now?
11:39 Alias Style wise
11:39 Alias Trying to decypher that sentence
11:41 bowtie don't no just started to work my way through, I will let you know
11:42 Hyppolit svn: r18179 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/18179
11:42 Hyppolit Starting to refactor the underlying database
11:42 Hyppolit trunk/Madre/lib/Madre/ trunk/Madre/lib/Madre/Dance/ trunk/Madre/views/ trunk/Madre/views/layouts/
11:51 Hyppolit svn: r18180 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/18180
11:51 Hyppolit Moving the launch application to the more traditional script dir
11:51 Hyppolit trunk/Madre/
11:54 Hyppolit svn: r18181 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/18181
11:54 Hyppolit Timeline in reverse chronological order
11:54 Hyppolit trunk/Madre/lib/Madre/
12:02 Hyppolit svn: r18182 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/18182
12:02 Hyppolit Filter out plain text from the SLOC counter
12:02 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/
12:03 bowtie Alias, how dose sloc handel #comments inside POD
12:03 Alias There is no such thing
12:04 bowtie ok, what about inline comments?
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12:19 Hyppolit svn: r18183 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/18183
12:19 Hyppolit Update the messages.pot file
12:19 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/share/locale/
12:39 Alias inline content is not anything
12:39 Alias It's literal text
12:39 Alias Someone way more interested than me can deal with it
12:40 bowtie lol
12:41 bowtie scope :)
12:43 bowtie I think this is you, why do we have PADRE_RED -> Constant and RED -> wx-editor, O why, and neither apire to work in a theme
12:43 Alias ah yes
12:43 Alias PADRE_RED
12:43 Alias I'm STILL not entirely sure why that exists
12:43 Alias And yet apparently if you remove it, things break
12:44 bowtie ok, do we still need RED
12:47 bowtie sheerly we only need one constant list, rather then colour constants popping up all over the place, sub_t inquired if they could be part of themes
13:01 bowtie Alias. up-date on the bug, just noticed it is now only closing Project Brower Panel, but padre stays alive
13:03 Alias He's been talking about a proper colour manager for a while
13:03 Alias I don't think there's time to do it right before 1.0
13:25 Hyppolit svn: r18184 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/18184
13:25 Hyppolit - Added COCOMO modelling to the project statistics dialog (ADAMK)
13:25 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Dialog/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/FBP/ trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/Menu/ trunk/Padre/t/
13:25 Alias If it's closing the panel, I guess there's still something wrong
13:26 Alias And on that note, I'm going to be dissapearing for about 2 weeks
13:26 Alias I'm going on holidays to the US
13:26 bowtie taking your skates with?
13:38 Alias Both types :)
13:39 bowtie why two?
13:40 Alias Different skates, different situations
13:41 Alias Inlines for distance and teaching other inliners
13:41 Alias Quads for good-surface city skating and roller derby
13:41 bowtie O silly me, I thought clock wise and other way round :)
13:47 bowtie have a nice time, if you think talking to a pommie is fun, just wait...
14:01 Alias We can delete Padre-Plugin-Debug now right?
14:02 bowtie Alias, yes it's served it's purpose, sod around in plugin before putting in trunk
14:03 bowtie besides it's available in an svn branch anyway
14:03 Hyppolit svn: r18185 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/18185
14:03 Hyppolit Removing Padre::Plugin::Debug now it has been merged to the main distribution
14:03 Hyppolit trunk/
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14:10 Alias I wonder how many other plugins are stale and need to be killed
14:14 bowtie look here -> http://padre.perlide.org/trac/wiki/Plugins how about all from error and incompatible as no bugger has done any thing with them since the summer
14:18 Alias I'm wondering how many plugins we could pull into core without bloating deps out
14:18 Alias Would be nice to get nopaste in, but it's way too heavy
14:18 Alias Maybe we could make our own Padre server nopaste
14:20 bowtie the web ones need to be combined, due to plack, with catalyst,dancer etc plugins
14:20 El_Che aren't most plugin an interface to external dependencies
14:20 El_Che eg the perltidy or the web plugins
14:21 bowtie Ah yes P-P-PerlTidy, up until recently did not even have perltidy as a dependency :)
14:22 El_Che technicalities :)
14:22 bowtie and the the CPAN version still dose not
14:22 bowtie El_Che, I think you mean Oversight
14:23 El_Che does it? is there a bug? I will fix it monday then
14:24 bowtie It dose not do Padre any good to have 50+ plugins that don't work with current version, where a vast amout are on CPAN now
14:24 El_Che still, for me it does not make sense to have formatting as a plugin
14:25 bowtie El_Che, I updated the Makefile, you need to check and push to CPAN
14:25 El_Che I'll ask azawawi for rights
14:25 bowtie El_Che, I agree, I think in the case of Tidy and Critic , they should be Padre features
14:26 El_Che maybe we should adapt the Makefile of Padre to
14:26 El_Che depends => "ALL_OF_CPAN" :)
14:27 bowtie lol
14:28 El_Che I'll get a cup of tea
14:28 El_Che snowing here
14:28 El_Che it's been a while
14:28 El_Che Alias: no problem with flooding in your neighbourhood?
14:28 bowtie the little people like it :)
14:28 El_Che I read NSW has some troubles
14:29 El_Che I like it as well
14:29 El_Che a lot
14:29 Alias Northern, usually
14:29 El_Che but it sucks to drive in it
14:29 Alias My childhood town often gets it bad
14:29 Alias Sydney is largely immune to flooding, since there's bits of harbour poking around the place
14:29 Alias So it drains pretty well
14:29 El_Che Alias: I feel terrible. I tried to reach my aussie friends during the last flood during a week
14:29 El_Che I couldn't
14:30 El_Che after that I haven't tried it anymore
14:30 El_Che I should
14:30 El_Che they were at the border between nsw and queensland
14:30 Alias That's where I come from originally, or an hour south anyway
14:30 El_Che Alias: what's your hometown
14:30 Alias Lismore
14:30 Alias Floods every 3-4 years
14:30 El_Che around twins head?
14:31 Alias tweed heads you mean?
14:31 Alias http://maps.google.com/maps?q=lismore&​hl=en&sll=-33.924526,151.190281&ss​pn=0.014832,0.01929&hnear=Lismore+New+​South+Wales,+Australia&t=h&z=15
14:32 El_Che yes
14:32 El_Che wow
14:33 El_Che when they founded your home town they didn't think much about flooding
14:33 El_Che :)
14:34 Alias It's a barge town
14:34 Alias The river splits in half, as you can see on the map
14:34 Alias So it was the farthest point upriver that the timber barges could reach
14:35 Alias And there was a lot of extremely valuable red cedar in that area, lots and lots of it
14:35 El_Che was?
14:35 Alias This was 150 years ago, it all got cut down
14:35 Alias All virgin rainforest
14:35 El_Che sad
14:35 Alias It was a brand new continent
14:36 Alias In the colonial era
14:36 bowtie Alias, so you are a lumberjack at heart
14:37 Alias Nah, it was all gone decades before I was born
14:37 El_Che I remember when going more inland in queensland people had a worst english accent than me :)
14:37 bowtie I just had this Monty Python image for a moment :)
14:38 Alias We don't really romanticise things the same way :)
14:38 bowtie lol
14:39 El_Che small towns in australia were very weird: so english (building, pubs) and us-american (identical 1 store malls) at the same time
14:39 El_Che on the other hand adelaide, melbourne and sydney are beautiful
14:40 Alias They're only weird if you have points of reference for overseas
14:41 Alias This country has always stolen the normal parts of life that work in lots of different country and replicated them outright
14:44 El_Che everyone copies
14:45 El_Che but in the case of australia they look recent
14:45 Alias We just also have a lack of anything particularly distinctive of our own
14:45 Alias And we're a young country, so there's nothing that's been copied that's older than about 100 years
14:45 Alias Since not much from the first 100 years of settlement has survived
14:45 Alias They didn't build many things to last in the early days
14:46 El_Che not easy to build stuff when you are chained :P
14:46 Alias And/or the entire country is trying to kill you
14:46 El_Che nah, just walking around in sydney is special: ibis birds instead of pigeons
14:46 El_Che parkeets, possums
14:46 Alias ibis AND pidgeons
14:46 El_Che pretty impressive
14:47 El_Che and most importantly people look so relaxed in comparison to europe
14:47 Alias There's not a lot to be stressed about
14:48 El_Che border police being polite
14:48 El_Che bus drivers making a special stop for me to drop me close to destination
14:48 El_Che etc
14:48 Alias The weather is mostly good, we've largely perfected democracy, there's no real cross border criminal types like the gypsies
14:48 El_Che I have *never* seen that here
14:49 El_Che democracy looks pretty lame
14:49 El_Che not much discussion I found while reading the papers
14:49 Alias That's because there's not really much to fix any more
14:50 Alias It's all a bit ho hum
14:50 El_Che there is always things to fix
14:50 Alias There's some small things to tweak, but you'd be amazed how trivial the Big Arguments Of The Day are
14:51 Alias The economy is also still crazy strong
14:51 Alias We never had a recession...
14:51 El_Che tied to the chinese economy?
14:51 Alias Bit of everything
14:51 Alias But that helped a lot
14:51 Alias We got close
14:51 Alias But really, nothing of note
14:52 Alias El_Che: BTW, have you had a look at the formbuilder stuff lately
14:52 Alias It's REALLY looking solid now
14:52 Alias Tons of the gui has been migrated to it
14:53 Alias And the formbuilder plugin has most of the bugs knocked out of it now
14:53 Alias So if you wanted to get in and have a play with gui design stuff, it should be much more viable now
14:54 Alias I already did a first pass over the preferences dialog
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14:56 El_Che I'll try to liberate some time
14:56 El_Che crazy month when everything comes together
14:56 El_Che I even bought a house :)
14:57 El_Che the government changed a lot of stuff, so if the legal paper stuff was done after the 01/01 you pay a lot of addiditonal taxes
14:57 El_Che so I had to arrange the bank, the city administration and the notary in 2 weeks instead of the 2 a 3 months it takes
15:20 Hyppolit svn: r18186 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/18186
15:20 Hyppolit Trimming off some superfluous borders
15:20 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/FBP/
15:20 Alias neat
15:21 Alias El_Che, in particular... if you could have a look at bowtie's gui designs and help him improve them, that would be great
15:21 Alias He's got an excellent work ethic, but his design skills leave something to be desired :)
15:21 Alias He would, I think, agree
15:22 bowtie you are going to spoil me with feedback
15:23 El_Che sorry back
15:24 bowtie Alias, be more specific
15:24 bowtie what looks yuck to you?
15:27 Alias Layout is weird, borders are non-uniform, some outlined thingies bang up against the sides, sizes are mismatched, and so on
15:32 bowtie O, this is good, what is Padre's recommended borders, what is a thingies? what is  mismatched? and some more please
15:39 Alias Look through the other dialogs
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16:04 bowtie Alias, dialogs or panels
16:04 Alias Both
16:04 Alias There's a fairly consistent border pattern for dialogs, and a different one for panels
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16:11 Hyppolit svn: r18187 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/18187
16:11 Hyppolit Brutally bumping Class::XSAccessor dependency to get thread safety fixes.
16:11 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/ trunk/Padre/lib/
16:13 bowtie Alias, are you pulling an all nighter, before your flight
16:13 Alias Yes
16:13 Alias Mostly washing clothes and packing, because I always do this shit at the last minute
16:15 bowtie lol
16:17 bowtie and to think I put the 'raw' button in there especially for you. did you know no other ide debugger has a raw button. I know as I have run most of them in the process of generating Debug2
16:19 Hyppolit svn: r18188 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/18188
16:19 Hyppolit Update the messages.pot file
16:19 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/share/locale/
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17:12 Hyppolit svn: r18189 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/18189
17:12 Hyppolit Reverting mistaken bump
17:12 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/
17:15 bowtie Alias, we need somebody with all 3 OS's to review and tweak look n feel, to obtain the best compromise regardless of OS, and generate some guide lines in a wiki page
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17:21 Hyppolit svn: r18190 | bowtie++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/18190
17:21 Hyppolit Added BASH keywords
17:21 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Wx/
17:25 Hyppolit svn: r18191 | bowtie++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/18191
17:25 Hyppolit Added bash to default.txt
17:25 Hyppolit inspired by gvim
17:25 Hyppolit my need more tweaking
17:25 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/share/themes/
17:26 bowtie Alias, just fin, the BASH colourisation, comments?
17:41 Hyppolit # 1374 :  when you open a file that is not in a Padre Session or Perl project (accepted defect) by bowtie  [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1374#comment:12 ]
17:45 Hyppolit svn: r18192 | bowtie++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/18192
17:45 Hyppolit update Changes
17:45 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/
17:55 bowtie Alias, I have just seen the new cocomo, went looking for sloc and found Project Stats, cool
17:56 bowtie Alias++
17:56 bowtie are you going to add cocomo to file stats?
18:17 Alias Uh no
18:17 Alias You can see why it's not relevant at a file level, can't you?
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18:25 bowtie yes, it's the maths
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20:25 Hyppolit svn: r18193 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/18193
20:25 Hyppolit Updated the rest of the web application to confirm to the new database schema, now I just need to alter the config sync in Padre
20:25 Hyppolit trunk/Madre/ trunk/Madre/lib/Madre/ trunk/Madre/lib/Madre/DB/ trunk/Madre/lib/Madre/Dance/ trunk/Madre/t/ trunk/Madre/views/ trunk/Madre/views/layouts/
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21:37 Hyppolit svn: r18194 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/18194
21:37 Hyppolit Added a test
21:37 Hyppolit trunk/Madre/t/
21:41 Hyppolit svn: r18195 | adamk++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/18195
21:41 Hyppolit Move app.pl back to bin/ since Dancer doesn't work otherwise
21:41 Hyppolit trunk/Madre/ trunk/Madre/bin/
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23:47 bowtie tome, hi
23:50 tome hi Bowtie
23:50 tome how's it going
23:51 bowtie tome, ok, are you upto date,  have you tried the updates to Debug?
23:51 bowtie as you inspired them, with tickets :)
23:52 tome Hi Bowtie, I haven't had a chance to do anything yet, got swamped again with work and a few other projects
23:52 tome Don't think I'll get a chance until next week : (
23:54 bowtie tome, watch out Alias, is heading your way, on hol's
23:54 tome hol's ?
23:54 tome holidays?
23:55 bowtie yes
23:55 tome very cool

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