Camelia, the Perl 6 bug

IRC log for #padre, 2012-02-15

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09:56 azawawi hi everyone
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10:09 Hyppolit svn: r18232 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/18232
10:09 Hyppolit Added initial release of Padre::Plugin::Moose :)
10:09 Hyppolit trunk/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Moose/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Moose/inc/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Moose/inc/Module/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Moose/lib/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Moose/lib/Padre/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Moose/lib/Padre/Plugin/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Moose/share/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Moose/share/icons/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Moose/share/icons/16x16/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Moose/share/locale/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Moose/t/
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10:17 Hyppolit svn: r18233 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/18233
10:17 Hyppolit Added svn:ignore to stuff inside P-P-Moose
10:17 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-Moose/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Moose/share/locale/
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10:24 bowtie gm
10:25 bowtie azawawi, hi
10:25 azawawi bowtie: yo :)
10:25 azawawi bowtie: hi :)
10:25 azawawi bowtie: good afternoon here now :)
10:26 bowtie azawawi, good afternoon :)
10:26 azawawi cpanm http://cpan.metacpan.org/authors/id/A/AZ​/AZAWAWI/Padre-Plugin-Moose-0.01.tar.gz
10:26 azawawi # nothing much but it is a start :)
10:27 bowtie azawawi, ok will do, can you check out P-P-SpellCheck pleas
10:27 bowtie opps forgot an e
10:31 Hyppolit svn: r18234 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/18234
10:31 Hyppolit Added Moose to Padre IRC community support page
10:31 Hyppolit trunk/template.padre.perlid​e.org/documentroot/static/
10:33 bowtie azawawi, just ran from trunk, about ok, 3 web links ok, new Moose class nothing happens
10:33 azawawi bowtie: yup...
10:34 azawawi bowtie: now brain-storming starts
10:34 bowtie azawawi, that's what you expected?
10:34 azawawi yup i wanted to put it on CPAN 0.01...
10:34 azawawi and now i will start doing the real stuff
10:35 azawawi thanks for your time :)
10:35 bowtie thats ok
10:37 bowtie now spell-checker, what happens?
10:39 azawawi on trunk right?
10:39 bowtie yes
10:39 azawawi starting my linux vm since spell checker does not actually work on windows...
10:40 bowtie azawawi, I thought there was an Aspell win32 build?
10:40 azawawi havent tried it...
10:40 azawawi but will
10:40 azawawi but again it needs to be in %PATH%
10:40 bowtie http://aspell.net/win32/
10:41 azawawi trying it
10:42 bowtie azawawi, dose File::Which::which only work on paths?
10:43 Hyppolit svn: r18235 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/18235
10:43 Hyppolit [P-P-Moose] Update pod
10:43 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-Moose/lib/Padre/Plugin/
10:43 azawawi bowtie: example?
10:45 bowtie unload spell, to test preferences in Plugin Manager, then enable, check some text, it now has fbp dialogs
10:45 azawawi say "path: $_" for File::Which::which('padre');
10:45 azawawi path: C:\Dwimperl\perl\site\bin\padre.EXE
10:45 azawawi path: C:\Dwimperl\perl\site\bin\padre.BAT
10:47 azawawi bowtie: my plan right now
10:47 azawawi bowtie: is to build on stable padre 0.94
10:47 azawawi bowtie: so i will forget doing core work for now
10:49 * azawawi runs sudo apt-get install libaspell-dev
10:49 bowtie azawawi, that's why I started on P-P-SpellChecker as it needed to be revamped
10:49 azawawi we need to provide value for users
10:49 azawawi what we're doing right now is wait-for-next-great-padre-core release
10:49 azawawi release it
10:49 azawawi break plugins
10:49 azawawi :)
10:50 bowtie dialogs by fbp, and api 2.0
10:50 bowtie that is why we need to get the Plugins working
10:50 azawawi did you try Prima ? :)
10:50 bowtie I think spell is third behind tidy and critic
10:51 bowtie Prima ?
10:51 azawawi bowtie: https://metacpan.org/module/Prima ... => Tk + C toolkit
10:51 azawawi bowtie: f-f-fast :)
10:51 bowtie will look
10:51 azawawi bowtie: and perl-ish
10:51 azawawi bowtie: i was surprised nobody talked about it
10:54 azawawi bowtie: https://metacpan.org/module/Prima
10:54 bowtie still taking an overview
10:54 azawawi set PATH=%PATH%;C:\Program Files\Aspell\bin && cpanm Text::Aspell
10:54 bowtie what do you see as it's main area of use
10:55 bowtie with Prima is
10:55 azawawi install it...
10:55 azawawi run vb or vb.bat (on win32)
10:56 azawawi formbuilder inside toolkit... :)
10:56 azawawi just wow
10:58 bowtie O, I will have to kick the old XP box in to action again, just turned it off, after making debug-client 0.17_06 run on it
10:58 azawawi bowtie: sadly a failure, "Aspell.xs:4:20: error: aspell.h: No such file or directory"
10:59 azawawi not there...
11:02 bowtie that's good to know, what about  spell check on linux vm
11:02 azawawi works
11:02 azawawi but emits a lot of debug logs
11:03 bowtie that's ok for now, do you get any error messages on plugin reload
11:03 azawawi https://metacpan.org/source/​HANK/Text-Aspell-0.09/README
11:03 azawawi see win32 users
11:06 bowtie azawawi, yes just viewed
11:07 azawawi anyways GNU Aspell-0.50.3.exe (2002 released)
11:08 azawawi Latest version is GNU Aspell 0.60.6.1 (Released July, 2011)
11:08 azawawi weeeeee.e.....
11:08 azawawi 2011-2002...
11:08 bowtie azawawi, that's very young compared to me :)
11:10 bowtie azawawi, this is your kind of thing, is it not
11:11 azawawi you mean fix Text::ASpell :)
11:11 azawawi ?
11:11 azawawi by provide Alien::Aspell ? :)
11:11 azawawi s/provide/providing
11:12 bowtie well YES
11:12 bowtie azawawi, what about Wx::Scintilla 0.37_04
11:13 azawawi i saw that mac error and as always i do not have such an environment
11:13 azawawi and i was like so busy last week
11:13 azawawi even had to work friday+saturday...
11:13 azawawi lol
11:13 azawawi took tuesday off
11:15 bowtie azawawi, what are your thoughts on use feature 'unicode_strings'; in perl 5.14.2
11:15 azawawi link please? :)
11:16 azawawi \x{UNICODE_NAME} e.g?
11:16 azawawi or \p... i dont remember the syntax... Perl :)
11:18 bowtie ok
11:18 * azawawi reads about it
11:19 azawawi bowtie: http://docs.oracle.com/javase/7/d​ocs/api/java/lang/Character.html ... we had years ago :)
11:20 azawawi so basically match unicode stuff more properly regarding their type and uppercase/lowercase...
11:21 azawawi luckily in arabic we do not have uppercase/lowercase
11:21 azawawi one thing though that we have
11:21 azawawi and lots of languages do not
11:21 azawawi is the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diacritic
11:22 bowtie I think it's quite compelling, make perl work internally in a consistent way
11:22 azawawi yup
11:22 azawawi true
11:22 azawawi ASCII is old news
11:22 azawawi you know matching stuff with diacratics is a mess :)
11:23 azawawi alef, alef with hamza, alef with under hamza... etc
11:23 azawawi are all alef in the end
11:23 bowtie I remember the old day's with a breakout box and a serial printer :)
11:23 azawawi however the cool thing is a document that i found from unicode standards committeee
11:24 bowtie link please
11:24 azawawi ftp://ftp.unicode.org/Publ​ic/UNIDATA/UnicodeData.txt
11:24 azawawi we have first, middle and last forms of each letter
11:24 azawawi even isolated forms :)
11:25 azawawi now matching that is a challenge
11:25 azawawi match all Alefs in text
11:25 azawawi and for search, you need to "normalize" text before searching
11:25 azawawi i.e. all forms of Alef are alef...
11:26 * azawawi reads http://search.cpan.org/~doy/Moose-​2.0402/lib/Moose/Manual/Types.pod now :)
11:27 azawawi what im looking for in doing in Moose plugin
11:27 azawawi is make padre aware of current context...
11:27 azawawi my $p = Person->new;  # Person does not exist
11:28 azawawi Hit the quick fix shortcut (version 2 of Padre::QuickFix)
11:28 azawawi Suggestions:
11:28 azawawi Create Moose class Person
11:28 azawawi install Person from CPAN
11:29 azawawi my $p = Person->new(param1 => 'value', param2 => 'value')
11:29 azawawi creates param1 and param2 inside Person
11:29 azawawi if you access
11:29 azawawi $p->param3('something')
11:29 azawawi create param3 inside Person
11:30 azawawi and highlight Moose keywords
11:30 azawawi and Moose::Util::TypeConstaints keywords if it exists in source
11:32 bowtie TypeConstaints I am salivating, me thinks of Pavlov's Dog
11:32 bowtie stop it
11:32 bowtie azawawi, Now just to be clear trunk version of P-P-SpellCheck, is ok, preferences in plugin manager work, and show in language name
11:38 Hyppolit svn: r18236 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/18236
11:38 Hyppolit [P-P-SpellCheck] Added missing Data::Printer dependency and updated Changes (removed Dist::Zilla stuff)
11:38 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-SpellCheck/
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11:39 Hyppolit svn: r18237 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/18237
11:39 Hyppolit [P-P-SpellCheck] Removed dist.ini
11:39 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-SpellCheck/
11:40 bowtie azawawi, I will remove Data::Printer when finished testing
11:40 azawawi sure and remove stuff...
11:41 azawawi "F7" latest trunk => Can't locate object method "current" via package "Padre::Plugin::SpellCheck" at /home/azawawi/perl5/perlbrew/perls/perl-5.15.​6/lib/site_perl/5.15.6/Padre/PluginHandle.pm line 452.
11:42 bowtie azawawi, yes that!
11:42 azawawi what about it?
11:42 bowtie I don't know what it is
11:42 azawawi investigating :)
11:42 bowtie or what is causing it
11:43 bowtie as there is no line number against Padre::Plugin::SpellCheck  in message
11:43 azawawi remove use Padre::Current ? :)
11:44 azawawi still same problemo...
11:45 bowtie Yes
11:47 bowtie azawawi, only happends here on reload and exit, otherwise ok
11:47 azawawi $self->unload(
11:47 azawawi Padre::Unload->unload(... ) :)
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11:47 azawawi you're unloading your $self :)
11:48 bowtie azawawi, where?
11:49 Hyppolit svn: r18238 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/18238
11:49 Hyppolit [P-P-SpellCheck] Properly unload your $self :)
11:49 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-SpellCheck/lib/Padre/Plugin/
11:51 bowtie azawawi++
11:51 Hyppolit svn: r18239 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/18239
11:51 Hyppolit [P-P-SpellCheck] Update svn:ignore
11:51 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-SpellCheck/
11:51 bowtie THANK YOU
11:51 azawawi continue your awesome $work  now :)
11:52 azawawi and remove me from Changes if you decide to remove Data::Printer from your final copy
11:53 bowtie azawawi, I use it to poke around as I go, it's pretty
11:55 bowtie azawawi, next is to get language names from Padre::Locale, and display them translated
11:56 bowtie are you aware you can only call Padre::Plugin->config->read from P-P-XX and not P-P-XX-xx
12:02 azawawi bowtie: not aware... :)
12:03 bowtie azawawi, I think it dates back to when a plugin had all it's code in a single file
12:04 bowtie but that is not the case now, as P-P-XX is just a plug-connector with most code in P-P-XX-yy
12:05 bowtie I think this is one for Adam
12:06 bowtie azawawi, have you any thoughts as to what else needs to be done here, ex test and POD
12:06 bowtie here being P-P-SpellChecker
12:09 azawawi bowtie: i think we need to tell the user of this plugin that win32 is not working
12:10 bowtie I agree, will add to POD so that it shows in Plugin Manager
12:11 bowtie I might look at local adding to user local dictionary
12:12 bowtie let's try again -> look at adding to a local dictionary
12:18 Hyppolit svn: r18240 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/18240
12:18 Hyppolit New Moose class dialog now contains package, class, superclass, attributes list, and cleanup namespace?
12:18 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-Moose/
12:20 azawawi when creating a new Moose class template, do we want to "add" methods also? or not?
12:20 * azawawi is reading all Moose recipes
12:21 Hyppolit svn: r18241 | bowtie++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/18241
12:21 Hyppolit remove Padre::Current
12:21 Hyppolit tweak and tidy
12:21 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-SpellCheck/lib/Padre/Plugin/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-SpellCheck​/lib/Padre/Plugin/SpellCheck/
12:23 El_Che hey azawawi
12:23 El_Che been programming using moose lately
12:23 El_Che i really like moose
12:24 El_Che what does the moose plugin bring to the table?
12:24 El_Che programming moose without it is fine
12:24 El_Che templates with the boilerplate make_immutable and stuff?
12:25 Hyppolit svn: r18242 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/18242
12:25 Hyppolit Added "Moose Cookbook - How to cook a Moose?" to online references and updated link to use metacpan.org instead of search.cpan.org
12:25 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-Moose/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Moose/lib/Padre/Plugin/
12:26 azawawi El_Che: should that...
12:26 azawawi El_Che: and hi
12:26 azawawi El_Che: welcome back to the fold
12:26 El_Che I'll install it
12:26 * azawawi hmmm star wars episode 1 in 3D
12:27 azawawi El_Che: it is not 100% working yet...
12:27 azawawi El_Che: no need for that now
12:27 azawawi El_Che: so you're using Moose heavily or what?
12:28 Hyppolit svn: r18243 | bowtie++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/18243
12:28 Hyppolit commented out Data::Printer
12:28 Hyppolit and it's output
12:28 Hyppolit so you can all test from trunk with out noise
12:28 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-SpellCheck/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-SpellCheck/lib/Padre/Plugin/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-SpellCheck​/lib/Padre/Plugin/SpellCheck/
12:29 azawawi bowtie: changes also :)
12:29 bowtie ok
12:33 Hyppolit svn: r18244 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/18244
12:33 Hyppolit [P-P-Moose] Added 'Make immutable?' checkbox
12:33 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-Moose/
12:34 Hyppolit svn: r18245 | bowtie++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/18245
12:34 Hyppolit update Changes
12:34 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-SpellCheck/
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12:44 Hyppolit svn: r18246 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/18246
12:44 Hyppolit [P-P-Moose] Added dialog for "New Role"
12:44 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-Moose/
12:49 Hyppolit svn: r18247 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/18247
12:49 Hyppolit [P-P-Moose] Updated "New Role" dialog with "requires" list
12:49 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-Moose/
12:51 * azawawi installs P:P:FormBuilder now :)
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13:00 bowtie azawawi, use trunk P:P:FormBuilder
13:00 Hyppolit svn: r18248 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/18248
13:00 Hyppolit [P-P-Moose] "immutable?" is now "autoclean namespace?"  and added "New Subtype" dialog
13:00 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-Moose/
13:00 azawawi bowtie: why is that?
13:01 azawawi bowtie: any problems with CPAN P:P:FormBuilder?
13:01 bowtie azawawi, Adam keeps improving it in trunk
13:02 azawawi Alias++ :)
13:02 bowtie snap
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13:24 Hyppolit svn: r18249 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/18249
13:24 Hyppolit [P-P-Moose] Added "New Attribute" dialog
13:24 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-Moose/
13:34 Hyppolit svn: r18250 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/18250
13:34 Hyppolit [P-P-Moose] Hooked up forms. Now you can see them but boilerplace generation is not currently implemented.
13:34 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-Moose/lib/Padre/Plugin/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Moose/lib/Padre/Plugin/Moose/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Moose/l​ib/Padre/Plugin/Moose/FBP/
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13:40 Hyppolit svn: r18251 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/18251
13:40 Hyppolit [P-P-Moose] Less "Moose" this... "Moose" that :)
13:40 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-Moose/lib/Padre/Plugin/
13:42 Hyppolit svn: r18252 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/18252
13:42 Hyppolit [P-P-Moose] Remove the concept of package && class/role... That's Java :)
13:42 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-Moose/
13:43 bowtie ellipsis rule ok! :)
13:43 El_Che does the Moose plugin require Moose?
13:43 Hyppolit svn: r18253 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/18253
13:43 Hyppolit [P-P-Moose] Updated FBP classes
13:43 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-Moose/l​ib/Padre/Plugin/Moose/FBP/
13:44 azawawi El_Che: nah... but really if you want to do Moose :)
13:44 azawawi El_Che: same with Mojolicious, Catalyst
13:44 El_Che to bad, otherwise we should integrate in core to piss off adam :)
13:45 bowtie lol
13:45 azawawi yup
13:45 azawawi im moving from core for that reason :)
13:45 azawawi and i want to learn new things
13:46 bowtie bump min version to 5.14.2 to get feature 'unicode_strings'
13:48 El_Che reading a python book for a project where only pyhton is supported (Weblogic scripting toolkit). OMG, it has the same incoherences as Perl
13:48 El_Che so far for the smugness of some python programmers :)
13:48 bowtie I still do not believe that people develop ON Perl 5.8.x
13:49 El_Che you'd be surprised
13:49 El_Che the weight of inertia
13:49 El_Che solaris ! has perl 5.6
13:49 El_Che solaris 8 has perl 5.6
13:49 El_Che solaris 11 has perl 5.12.3!!!
13:50 El_Che it looked that we were stucked with 5.10.0 at release time
13:50 El_Che cool they made the upgrade
13:50 bowtie I get they develop an app to run on 5.6, but that dose not mean you run that on your workstation
13:50 El_Che sometimes developing on the same version you support is handy
13:52 bowtie but in most IDE's you can select the perl version to run your app against, irrespective of the perl used by IDE
13:52 El_Che good point
13:55 bowtie this probably means Padre needs to spot perlbrew or Local::Lib and offer the user a choice
13:56 bowtie this would then untie our hands
13:56 bowtie El_Che, what do you think?
13:56 bowtie spot as in look for
13:57 bowtie El_Che, how's your port coming along?
13:58 bowtie azawawi, this might be of help -> wxID_CANCEL for your Cancel buttons
14:08 Hyppolit svn: r18254 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/18254
14:08 Hyppolit [P-P-Moose] Press F8 to bring up the Moose! dialog where you can preview the generated code before inserting it into the current document/new document
14:08 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-Moose/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Moose/lib/Padre/Plugin/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Moose/l​ib/Padre/Plugin/Moose/FBP/
14:31 Hyppolit svn: r18255 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/18255
14:31 Hyppolit [P-P-Moose] FBP/New*.pm is are now panels instead of dialog that are going to be embedded inside the Moose! central operations dialog.
14:31 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-Moose/lib/Padre/Plugin/Moose/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Moose/l​ib/Padre/Plugin/Moose/FBP/
14:31 azawawi /clear
14:31 azawawi ouch... :)
14:34 Hyppolit svn: r18256 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/18256
14:34 Hyppolit [P-P-Moose] Missing files from previous commit :)
14:34 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-Moose/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Moose/lib/Padre/Plugin/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Moose/lib/Padre/Plugin/Moose/
15:31 Hyppolit svn: r18257 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/18257
15:31 Hyppolit [P-P-Moose] Merge them into one big tree book :)
15:31 Hyppolit trunk/Padre-Plugin-Moose/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Moose/lib/Padre/Plugin/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Moose/lib/Padre/Plugin/Moose/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Moose/l​ib/Padre/Plugin/Moose/FBP/
15:32 azawawi bowtie: okay, i'll try to continue working on it from home
15:32 azawawi bowtie: the cool thing now is the UI is nearly finished
15:33 bowtie azawawi, safe journey, look at button tool in wx
15:33 azawawi bowtie: i want an advanced boilerplate generator :)
15:33 azawawi bowtie: basically fill your data, validate it on the fly and get your boilerplate code on the right
15:34 azawawi bowtie: and you have the option then to insert it into the current document
15:34 bowtie how about going modal then, as you can i a plugin
15:35 azawawi no need for modal right now
15:35 bowtie ok
15:35 azawawi you need to switch between editors
15:35 azawawi and keep it open to insert...
15:35 azawawi modal is old school :)
15:35 bowtie yes, I think i got that the wrong way round
15:36 azawawi ok gtg now...
15:36 azawawi cya and thx for your time :)
15:36 bowtie later
15:36 azawawi enjoy your evening
15:36 * azawawi &
16:27 daxim http://stackoverflow.com/questions/92​88819/when-i-try-to-compile-perl-scri​pt-in-padre-it-has-no-response-at-all
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