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azawawi |
good morning |
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azawawi |
MooseX::Declare doesnt install cleanly on my win32 dev... |
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azawawi |
hmmm |
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azawawi |
waxhead: hi |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r18357 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/18357 |
| 09:15 |
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Hyppolit |
[P-P-Moose] Added q{ my $self = shift } to method body. Subtype has now a base type and is usable now. Still no value validation. |
| 09:15 |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre-Plugin-Moose/lib/Padre/Plugin/Moose/ |
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abraxxa |
ORLite 1.90 and 1.91 breaks padre |
| 09:35 |
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abraxxa |
Expected to update 1 row, actually updated 0E0 at (eval 1901) line 525. |
| 09:36 |
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azawawi |
abraxxa: hi.. any other output? |
| 09:37 |
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shadowpaste |
"abraxxa" at 217.168.150.38 pasted "ORLite 1.90 and 1.91 breakage errors" (14 lines) at http://paste.scsys.co.uk/183619 |
| 09:39 |
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azawawi |
i think you need to follow up with this on padre mailing list |
| 09:39 |
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azawawi |
this is serious |
| 09:40 |
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azawawi |
backup ~/.padre && padre --reset? |
| 09:40 |
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azawawi |
s/&&/and then/ :) |
| 09:42 |
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abraxxa |
Padre is misbehaving on this box forever |
| 09:42 |
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abraxxa |
high cpu usage |
| 09:42 |
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abraxxa |
at home its fine, here not |
| 09:42 |
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abraxxa |
i've already deleted .padre in the past wihtout success |
| 09:43 |
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abraxxa |
btw its ~/.local/share/.padre here |
| 09:43 |
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abraxxa |
ubuntu 11.10 |
| 09:44 |
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abraxxa |
should i upgrade orlite again after --reset? |
| 09:45 |
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azawawi |
abraxxa: yup |
| 09:45 |
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azawawi |
the best thing is to perlbrew stuff... |
| 09:45 |
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abraxxa |
works |
| 09:45 |
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abraxxa |
i do that |
| 09:46 |
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abraxxa |
can i get at least my saved sessions back? |
| 09:49 |
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azawawi |
it is stores in sqlite so you can copy/insert it again :) |
| 09:51 |
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abraxxa |
is there a gui for sqlite you can recommend to do this? |
| 09:52 |
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abraxxa |
what about copying the old config.db file? will that bring my problems back? |
| 09:55 |
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azawawi |
i think so |
| 09:55 |
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azawawi |
let me try the one with firefox :) |
| 09:57 |
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abraxxa |
the lauchner is also a massive pain |
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azawawi |
select * from session and select * from session_file |
| 09:57 |
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azawawi |
the launcher? |
| 09:57 |
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abraxxa |
padre now starts from the terminal, but not from the launcher |
| 09:58 |
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abraxxa |
unity in ubuntu |
| 09:59 |
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azawawi |
i havent upgrade to 11.10 |
| 09:59 |
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azawawi |
s/upgrade/upgraded/ |
| 10:02 |
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shadowpaste |
"abraxxa" at 217.168.150.38 pasted "my padre.desktop file" (11 lines) at http://paste.scsys.co.uk/183621 |
| 10:02 |
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abraxxa |
this doesn't work any more |
| 10:04 |
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abraxxa |
new error: Can't use string ("Padre::DB::SessionFile") as an ARRAY ref while "strict refs" in use at (eval 1901) line 1268. |
| 10:04 |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r18358 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/18358 |
| 10:04 |
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Hyppolit |
[P-P-Moose] Class members can be added now when inside a class/role. There is no need to click on the parent again as before. |
| 10:04 |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre-Plugin-Moose/lib/Padre/Plugin/Moose/ |
| 10:04 |
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abraxxa |
--reset fixed it again |
| 10:06 |
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abraxxa |
as soon as i change preferences |
| 10:11 |
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abraxxa |
preferences aren't saved now |
| 10:14 |
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abraxxa |
i get this error when closing padre |
| 10:16 |
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abraxxa |
downgrading orlite to 1.54 fixes it |
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sewi |
ping szabgab |
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bowtie |
gm |
| 10:42 |
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bowtie |
abraxxa++ |
| 10:43 |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r18359 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/18359 |
| 10:43 |
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Hyppolit |
[P-P-Moose] Jumping from one leaf class member to another result in invalid parent calculation for the next addition |
| 10:43 |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre-Plugin-Moose/lib/Padre/Plugin/Moose/ |
| 10:44 |
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shadowpaste |
"bowtie" at 217.168.150.38 pasted "Padre on perl 5.15.8" (21 lines) at http://paste.scsys.co.uk/183624 |
| 10:44 |
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bowtie |
abraxxa, nice catch, I concur down grade orlite to 1.54 fixes issue |
| 10:47 |
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bowtie |
what I don't understand is why ORLite went from 1.54 -> 1.90/1 |
| 11:22 |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r18360 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/18360 |
| 11:22 |
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Hyppolit |
[P-P-Moose] The dialog is now modal and is resident until the plugin is disabled. Generate closes the dialog but does not destroy your work. Added "reset" button |
| 11:22 |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre-Plugin-Moose/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Moose/lib/Padre/Plugin/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Moose/lib/Padre/Plugin/Moose/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Moose/lib/Padre/Plugin/Moose/FBP/ |
| 11:23 |
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bowtie |
azawawi, ping |
| 11:34 |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r18361 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/18361 |
| 11:34 |
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Hyppolit |
[P-P-Moose] Dialog 2.000001 :) |
| 11:34 |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre-Plugin-Moose/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Moose/lib/Padre/Plugin/Moose/FBP/ |
| 11:42 |
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bowtie |
azawawi, if a class name is typed in all lower case should you not first char Upper, need another check box, 1st Chr where applicable :) |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r18362 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/18362 |
| 11:44 |
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Hyppolit |
[P-P-Moose] Disable adding class members when you're over Program node |
| 11:44 |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre-Plugin-Moose/lib/Padre/Plugin/Moose/ |
| 11:45 |
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azawawi |
bowtie: no validation yet |
| 11:45 |
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bowtie |
azawawi, ok, |
| 11:45 |
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bowtie |
it's just running feedback |
| 11:45 |
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azawawi |
the question is it in its current form usable or not? :) |
| 11:45 |
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bowtie |
azawawi, getting better every day |
| 11:46 |
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azawawi |
and do i know how to create gui designers or not? :) |
| 11:46 |
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azawawi |
wxformbuilder... same idea :) |
| 11:46 |
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azawawi |
once perfected... we moved to that fertile land :) |
| 11:47 |
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bowtie |
azawawi, you will probably change your mind and adjust as you go along |
| 11:47 |
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bowtie |
azawawi, can I use 'sub plugin_enable' just like 'sub setup' called from new |
| 11:48 |
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azawawi |
yup |
| 11:48 |
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bowtie |
I want to test and check the plugin config info |
| 11:49 |
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bowtie |
you say yup, but I can not run $self->config_read |
| 11:49 |
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azawawi |
better idea... |
| 11:50 |
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azawawi |
on first menu item invocation lazy setup? :) |
| 11:51 |
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bowtie |
lol, who't No Moose in Padre |
| 12:01 |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r18363 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/18363 |
| 12:01 |
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Hyppolit |
[P-P-Moose] Releasing & testing 0.08 with the following changes: |
| 12:01 |
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Hyppolit |
- Refactored the dialog to be modal and improved its UI |
| 12:01 |
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Hyppolit |
- The dialog is resident until the plugin is disabled. |
| 12:01 |
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Hyppolit |
- Generate closes the dialog but does not destroy your work. Added "reset" button |
| 12:01 |
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Hyppolit |
- Class members can be added now when inside a class/role. There is no need to click on the parent again as before. |
| 12:01 |
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Hyppolit |
- Disable adding class members when you're over Program node |
| 12:01 |
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Hyppolit |
- Added q{ my $self = shift } to generated method body. |
| 12:01 |
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Hyppolit |
- Subtype has now a base type and is usable now. |
| 12:01 |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre-Plugin-Moose/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Moose/lib/Padre/Plugin/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Moose/lib/Padre/Plugin/Moose/ |
| 12:07 |
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azawawi |
http://ahmadzawawi.blogspot.co[…]e-plugin-008.html :) |
| 12:08 |
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azawawi |
cpanm http://cpan.metacpan.org/autho[…]Moose-0.08.tar.gz |
| 12:11 |
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bowtie |
azawawi, when we use dialog or panel in Padre, padre calls sub run, how do we make plugins do this? |
| 12:20 |
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azawawi |
my $dialog = Padre::Wx::Dialog::Patch->new( $self->main ); $dialog->run; $dialog->Destroy; # :) |
| 12:20 |
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bowtie |
azawawi, you as always were correct, plugin_enable works, thanks |
| 12:21 |
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azawawi |
bowtie: what do you think is missing from P:P:Moose |
| 12:21 |
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azawawi |
bowtie: i need feedback :) |
| 12:22 |
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azawawi |
bowtie: I hunger for feedback which is something the Perl community seems not to provide :) |
| 12:25 |
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bowtie |
azawawi, I know the felling, i will go through in detail later today, but an initial observation is why put Rules in same file when M-pbp suggest a single project file for all roles, hows that as a starter |
| 12:26 |
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bowtie |
single file, or collection of files |
| 12:26 |
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azawawi |
option to generate single or collection... check |
| 12:27 |
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bowtie |
do you follow the Moose bp ? |
| 12:27 |
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azawawi |
sure |
| 12:27 |
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azawawi |
the ones i read :) |
| 12:27 |
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bowtie |
just asking |
| 12:28 |
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azawawi |
maybe i need to read a bit about https://metacpan.org/module/Moose::Manual::MooseX |
| 12:28 |
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bowtie |
save silly debates regardless of option or personal habits how ever good |
| 12:29 |
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bowtie |
as you have a background in Java, I thought you would go for MooseX::declare option, nice and crisp and clean |
| 12:29 |
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azawawi |
MooseX::StrictConstructor # cool |
| 12:32 |
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bowtie |
azawawi, an aside question, how do i colour tt2 in Padre, also coffescript in tt2? |
| 12:32 |
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azawawi |
hard question :) |
| 12:32 |
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azawawi |
you know that's the problem of scintilla and lexers |
| 12:33 |
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azawawi |
basically lexer's are no in-vocable alone |
| 12:33 |
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bowtie |
azawawi, do I need as i did with bash, and add another section to my theme.txt |
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| 12:34 |
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bowtie |
s/need as/need to do as/ |
| 12:35 |
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azawawi |
"...You can use a Lua lexer with scintillua which includes Lua. The standard installation of Scintilla does not include Lua so can not use Lua lexers...." |
| 12:35 |
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G1 |
Hi All, |
| 12:35 |
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azawawi |
brb 10 times |
| 12:35 |
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azawawi |
s/time/minutes/ # :) |
| 12:35 |
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G1 |
how do can I change the syntax highlighting color ? |
| 12:36 |
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bowtie |
G1, hi |
| 12:36 |
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G1 |
Hi <bowtie> |
| 12:36 |
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bowtie |
tools -> prefs have a good look around lots for you to configure |
| 12:38 |
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G1 |
i am using padre v 0.842 |
| 12:39 |
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G1 |
when I am using system commands its coming in a light orange color which is hardly visible |
| 12:39 |
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G1 |
and I just wanted to change it |
| 12:40 |
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Hyppolit |
# 1404 : ORLite 1.90 and 1.91 breaks Padre (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/1404 ] |
| 12:41 |
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bowtie |
G1, what OS? |
| 12:41 |
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G1 |
window$ |
| 12:41 |
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G1 |
xp |
| 12:42 |
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bowtie |
G1 suggest you look at upgrading to 0.94 see -> http://dwimperl.com/ |
| 12:46 |
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Hyppolit |
# 1404 : ORLite 1.90 and 1.91 breaks Padre (new defect) by bowtie [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/[…]et/1404#comment:1 ] |
| 12:56 |
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G1 |
i am not in a position to upgrade nw |
| 12:56 |
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G1 |
so any other options ? |
| 13:10 |
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abraxxa |
bowtie: thanks for opening the issue |
| 13:10 |
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azawawi |
bowtie: ping |
| 13:10 |
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azawawi |
bowtie: $self->main->[yes_no|error] are bad :) |
| 13:10 |
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azawawi |
bowtie: and ->message |
| 13:10 |
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azawawi |
bowtie: guess why? :) |
| 13:11 |
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bowtie |
abraxxa, good catch, |
| 13:11 |
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bowtie |
azawawi, pong active |
| 13:11 |
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azawawi |
abraxxa++ # Great catch |
| 13:11 |
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bowtie |
yes abraxxa++ # Great catch |
| 13:12 |
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bowtie |
azawawi, why |
| 13:13 |
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azawawi |
bowtie: dialog parent is main... not yours :) |
| 13:14 |
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azawawi |
bowtie: hence when you open modal A and call $self->main->error(...) |
| 13:14 |
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azawawi |
bowtie: when you close it, it will try to go there |
| 13:14 |
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bowtie |
ok, got that, so where should it go |
| 13:15 |
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azawawi |
Wx::AboutBox(...) same problem |
| 13:15 |
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El_Che |
azawawi: I talked about you yesterday. There was someone that writes is own Moose interfaces to Wx |
| 13:15 |
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azawawi |
bowtie: aha... It is a role... |
| 13:16 |
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bowtie |
cheese and tomato, lol |
| 13:16 |
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azawawi |
bowtie: then $self->main->message(...) is bad |
| 13:16 |
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azawawi |
bowtie: $self should do ::Role::Dialog |
| 13:16 |
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bowtie |
azawawi, why not hide first |
| 13:16 |
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azawawi |
bowtie: $self->message(...) |
| 13:17 |
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azawawi |
bowtie: hide is bad practise... the user will simply say wtf... :) |
| 13:17 |
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azawawi |
El_Che: cool |
| 13:17 |
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azawawi |
El_Che: what about it? |
| 13:17 |
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bowtie |
azawawi, ok |
| 13:17 |
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El_Che |
I told him "wait a year until azawawi finish his moosifying of Wx" :) |
| 13:18 |
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azawawi |
i hate writing: my $index; for my $element (@elements) { ....; $index++; } # any better way to write that? :) |
| 13:19 |
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El_Che |
state ? |
| 13:19 |
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azawawi |
my $index = 0; # that is |
| 13:19 |
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azawawi |
yup |
| 13:19 |
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azawawi |
iterator |
| 13:19 |
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azawawi |
i hate that |
| 13:19 |
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El_Che |
no put "state $index;" in the loop |
| 13:20 |
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azawawi |
hmmm, 5.10? :) |
| 13:20 |
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El_Che |
one global less |
| 13:20 |
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El_Che |
yes |
| 13:21 |
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El_Che |
http://perldoc.perl.org/5.10.0[…]ctions/state.html |
| 13:21 |
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El_Che |
volatile :) |
| 13:21 |
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El_Che |
in other parts of the world |
| 13:21 |
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azawawi |
maybe closure... :) |
| 13:22 |
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El_Che |
for my $index ($#elements) { .... } |
| 13:23 |
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El_Che |
$element[$index] to be used inside the loop |
| 13:23 |
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azawawi |
for my $fruit (qw(apples oranges mangos)) { state $index = 0; say "#" . $index++ . " is $fruit"; } |
| 13:23 |
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azawawi |
El_Che: you know what... iterators need a hidden index :) |
| 13:23 |
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azawawi |
El_Che: we just keep writing it over and over ... :) |
| 13:24 |
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azawawi |
El_Che++ # state variables :) |
| 13:24 |
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azawawi |
any shorter syntax? |
| 13:26 |
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El_Che |
the classic C for loop? |
| 13:27 |
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azawawi |
my @fruits = qw(apples oranges mangos); for (0..$#fruits) { say "#$_ is " . $fruits[$_]; } |
| 13:28 |
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El_Che |
ah that |
| 13:28 |
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El_Che |
a map maybe? |
| 13:28 |
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azawawi |
rubyish... |
| 13:28 |
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El_Che |
if you get functional |
| 13:28 |
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azawawi |
{ |element, index| .... } |
| 13:28 |
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azawawi |
:) |
| 13:29 |
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El_Che |
map { say "#$_ is " . $fruits[$_]; }, (0..$#fruits) |
| 13:30 |
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El_Che |
the comma can go |
| 13:30 |
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azawawi |
nice... |
| 13:31 |
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grafne |
hi all |
| 13:31 |
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grafne |
anyone around? |
| 13:32 |
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grafne |
guess not then ;-) |
| 13:32 |
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El_Che |
azawawi: there is also use List::MoreUtils qw(firstidx); |
| 13:32 |
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El_Che |
hi grafne |
| 13:32 |
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grafne |
hi :-) |
| 13:32 |
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grafne |
does anyone know anythign abotu the debugger? |
| 13:33 |
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grafne |
god my typing is rubbish today |
| 13:34 |
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El_Che |
bowtie knows his way around |
| 13:34 |
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El_Che |
(until now I have only used the command line (-d) version) |
| 13:35 |
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bowtie |
grafne, hi |
| 13:35 |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r18364 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/18364 |
| 13:35 |
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Hyppolit |
[P-P-Moose] Add ::CanHandleInspector :) Attribute minor name refactoring... various inspector refactorings |
| 13:35 |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre-Plugin-Moose/lib/Padre/Plugin/Moose/ |
| 13:35 |
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bowtie |
El_Che, then you can use the one in Padre, try the 'Raw' button |
| 13:36 |
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bowtie |
El_Che, i look forward to your critiques |
| 13:37 |
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bowtie |
don't forget to look at -> http://padre.perlide.org/trac/[…]res/Perl5Debugger |
| 13:38 |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r18365 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/18365 |
| 13:38 |
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Hyppolit |
[P-P-Moose] More perlish syntax and global Perl tidy |
| 13:38 |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre-Plugin-Moose/lib/Padre/Plugin/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Moose/lib/Padre/Plugin/Moose/ |
| 13:38 |
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bowtie |
azawawi, what was your answer to tt2 and coffescript |
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grafne |
sorry... lost last load of messages.. did anyone say yes to debugger knowledge? |
| 13:42 |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r18366 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/18366 |
| 13:42 |
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Hyppolit |
[P-P-Moose] Started a big Alias++-style name refactoring :) roles belong to the ::Role namespace |
| 13:42 |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre-Plugin-Moose/lib/Padre/Plugin/Moose/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Moose/lib/Padre/Plugin/Moose/Role/ |
| 13:42 |
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azawawi |
bowtie: basically you cannot re-use a lexer in another |
| 13:43 |
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azawawi |
bowtie: if we're talking about embedded lexers that is |
| 13:44 |
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bowtie |
azawawi, ok I can settle for just tt2 or coffeescript then |
| 13:45 |
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bowtie |
azawawi, like -> http://perleclipse.com/TTEditor/ |
| 13:45 |
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azawawi |
coffeescript not supported in core scintilla |
| 13:45 |
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azawawi |
tt2 same... |
| 13:45 |
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azawawi |
your best bet to write one :) |
| 13:46 |
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azawawi |
in Perl |
| 13:47 |
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bowtie |
azawawi, I have always liked eclipse, but for perl, padre is better, and I like perl |
| 13:48 |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r18367 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/18367 |
| 13:48 |
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Hyppolit |
[P-P-Moose] Minor fixes to big refactoring effort |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre-Plugin-Moose/lib/Padre/Plugin/Moose/ |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r18368 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/18368 |
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Hyppolit |
[P-P-Moose] Now each element in the tree now how to handle the inspector :) |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre-Plugin-Moose/lib/Padre/Plugin/Moose/ |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r18369 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/18369 |
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Hyppolit |
[P-P-Moose] has 'attribute'; # is now supported, no default values. Just the basics :) Better attribute/subtype code generation |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre-Plugin-Moose/lib/Padre/Plugin/Moose/ |
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* azawawi |
starts reading about Wx::GridCellChoiceEditor |
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mj41 |
hmm, Probably some "Reload all" regression ... if you change file in other process than Padre ... reload dialog is shown, but document is not reloaded |
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mj41 |
revision 18369, will test late evening |
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bowtie |
mj41, like a live lock or is it dead lock |
| 14:51 |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r18370 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/18370 |
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Hyppolit |
[P-P-Moose] ::Role::CanHandleInspector now requires 'get_grid_data'. No global %INSPECTOR in ::Main |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre-Plugin-Moose/lib/Padre/Plugin/Moose/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-Moose/lib/Padre/Plugin/Moose/Role/ |
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mj41 |
bowtie: maybe this is only "replace in files" related |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r18371 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/18371 |
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Hyppolit |
[P-P-Moose] ::Main now does('Padre::Wx::Role::Dialog'). Alias++ |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre-Plugin-Moose/lib/Padre/Plugin/Moose/ |
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aero |
Padre on Win32 doesn't shutdown clearly with X button after upgrading ORLite module. |
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mj41 |
bowtie: needs more testing ... probably if you replace in more than one file than only one si reloaded by "reload" dialog |
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aero |
and There is compatibility problem with config.db file. |
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mj41 |
bowtie: and "File - Reload all" doesn't help ... but "File - Reload" on not reloaded file is ok |
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bowtie |
aero, down grade ORLite to v1.54, please add to ticket #1404 |
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Hyppolit |
# 1404 : ORLite 1.90 and 1.91 breaks Padre (new defect) by bowtie [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/[…]et/1404#comment:1 ] |
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bowtie |
mj41, I will let you open a ticket for this, thanks |
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aero |
I solved it with deleting previous config file and let Padre recreate it. |
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mj41 |
bowtie: confirmed, it is probably somehow related to reloading of more than one file |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r18372 | bowtie++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/18372 |
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Hyppolit |
fix the config DB to check on enable for past and new install |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre-Plugin-SpellCheck/lib/Padre/Plugin/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-SpellCheck/lib/Padre/Plugin/SpellCheck/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-SpellCheck/t/ |
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mj41 |
bowtie: "File - Reload - Reload All" is also broken |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r18373 | bowtie++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/18373 |
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Hyppolit |
Bump version to 1.23 |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre-Plugin-SpellCheck/lib/Padre/Plugin/SpellCheck/ trunk/Padre-Plugin-SpellCheck/lib/Padre/Plugin/SpellCheck/FBP/ |
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aero |
Padre on Win32 doesn't shutdown clearly with X button after upgrading ORLite module. process still exist after windows disappearing |
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aero |
but no problem with File->Quit menu. |
| 15:05 |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r18374 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/18374 |
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Hyppolit |
[P-P-Moose] PerlTidy and we use a simple about that is modal friendly :) |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre-Plugin-Moose/lib/Padre/Plugin/Moose/ |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r18375 | bowtie++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/18375 |
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Hyppolit |
update Changes |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre-Plugin-SpellCheck/ |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r18376 | bowtie++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/18376 |
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Hyppolit |
update Changes |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre-Plugin-SpellCheck/ |
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bowtie |
mj41, why don't you also add that or create an additional ticket, thanks |
| 15:17 |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r18377 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/18377 |
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Hyppolit |
[P-P-Moose] Added missing require. And element positioning in preview editor is not the confusing-centerize-position :) |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre-Plugin-Moose/lib/Padre/Plugin/Moose/ |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r18378 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/18378 |
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Hyppolit |
[P-P-Moose] POD update regarding methods. |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre-Plugin-Moose/lib/Padre/Plugin/ |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r18379 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/18379 |
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Hyppolit |
[P-P-Moose] Stop doing that grid focus automatically. It screws up navigation :) |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre-Plugin-Moose/lib/Padre/Plugin/Moose/ |
| 15:35 |
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Hyppolit |
# 1405 : Reload of more than one file regression (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/1405 ] |
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bowtie |
aero, what version of ORLite are you running? |
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bowtie |
azawawi, Info, you have moved your ellipsis, it now shows up in Plugin Manager |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r18380 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/18380 |
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Hyppolit |
[P-P-Moose] Update ::FBP version to 0.08 |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre-Plugin-Moose/lib/Padre/Plugin/Moose/FBP/ |
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Hyppolit |
svn: r18381 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/18381 |
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Hyppolit |
[P-P-Moose] Fixed ellipsis in plugin manager (bowtie++) |
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Hyppolit |
trunk/Padre-Plugin-Moose/lib/Padre/Plugin/ |
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azawawi |
now the 'delete' button... |
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azawawi |
:) |
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bowtie |
lol |
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* azawawi |
time for home & |
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bowtie |
azawawi, night |
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azawawi |
night & |
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andmott |
hello |
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bowtie |
andmott, hi |
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andmott |
bowtie, hello, I want to get involved with Padre development |
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bowtie |
andmott, that's good, what do you want to do? |
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andmott |
bowtie, well honestly, I ultimately want to get involved in the coding process, but I just want to get started and set up looking at the current development code |
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bowtie |
andmott, are you registered yet? |
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andmott |
bowtie, I like Padre a lot. I use it on my Windows machine. I've tried to install it through CPAN on my Mac and Linux but it wont go |
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andmott |
bowtie, no I didnt know there was a registration |
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bowtie |
andmott, ok let's start with registration, follow link |
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bowtie |
Hyppolit, trac! |
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Hyppolit |
Trac registration opened for 5 minutes. Please visit http://padre.perlide.org/trac/register to register |
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bowtie |
andmott, for Padre on OSX see -> http://wildperl.com/ by tome |
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bowtie |
for linux start here -> http://padre.perlide.org/trac/wiki/Download |
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andmott |
andmott, cool thanks I registered |
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Hyppolit |
Trac registration closed |
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bowtie |
andmott, what is your time zone, mine is GMT +0 |
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andmott |
bowtie, it is GMT - 5 |
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andmott |
bowtie, I'm just going to work on getting the development code on my machine, and other stuff the website says to get involved with |
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bowtie |
andmott, good that was my next suggestion :) |
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bowtie |
andmott, there is a lot of useful info in wiki, take your time, also look at current and past tickets some are fun :) |
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andmott |
bowtie, cool thanks for your help |
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bowtie |
andmott, just start asking questions |
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bowtie |
are you into Moose? |
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jq |
bowtie: would it be possible to drop the requires on text::aspell in padre-plugin-spellcheck? |
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jq |
(since now hunspell can be used too) |
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andmott |
bowtie, I like Moose, I know how to use it |
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jq |
bowtie: oh, it seems that hunspell is not yet supported, is it? |
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bowtie |
jq, I have only got the display local dictionaries working at present, still got to use the hunspell engine, thanks for critique |
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jq |
so hunspell works. in that case, please consider dropping text::aspell as a requires |
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bowtie |
andmott, can you check out Padre-Plugin-Moose (P-P-Moose) and put a cretique here for azawawi as he is working on it, thanks, or you can put it in a ticket with him as the owner |
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andmott |
bowtie, ok thanks |
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bowtie |
jq, when hunspell is working I will have to drop text-aspell from makefile and rely on plugin_enabled |
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bowtie |
andmott, try running the plugin from local trunk with perl dev -a, then you will be upto date |
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El_Che |
the plugin from svn doesn't do much |
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El_Che |
(or anything) |
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El_Che |
and it fails the test |
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El_Che |
s |
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El_Che |
let's try the one from cpan |
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El_Che |
that's better :) |
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bowtie |
El_Che, are you going to update P-P-svn |
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bowtie |
El_Che, to use FormBuilder |
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bowtie |
dialogs |
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El_Che |
i see it's broken |
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bowtie |
El_Che, it needs bring back to life |
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El_Che |
I'll pop back to get pointers how to get started with Formbuilder |
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bowtie |
El_Che, start here -> http://padre.perlide.org/trac/[…]PadrePluginDialog |
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bowtie |
aka Cookbook |
| 17:06 |
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El_Che |
bookmarked |
| 17:06 |
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El_Che |
thx |
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El_Che |
I am looking at the list of plugins |
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El_Che |
what's broken |
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El_Che |
have there been discussions lately to get the perltidy plugin into core? |
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bowtie |
El_Che, for plugins look here -> http://padre.perlide.org/trac/wiki/Plugins |
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bowtie |
El_Che, I need to update the page a bit, ie spellcheck and add Moose |
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bowtie |
El_Che, what about, your idea about being able to select a local-lib / perlbrew in tools ->prefs ->perl5 |
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El_Che |
I still think it's good :) |
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El_Che |
but not a lot of time on my hands |
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bowtie |
El_Che, how's your wiki port of perlbrew install of padre comming along ? |
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El_Che |
to make a wiki page from my blog post? |
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bowtie |
El_Che, yes, probably here -> http://padre.perlide.org/trac/wiki/Download |
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El_Che |
I wonder if a link would be enough |
| 17:28 |
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El_Che |
anyway, I discovered a nice perl project to create native packages for whatever linux distro you want |
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bowtie |
El_Che, I think it needs a Perlbrew page, with your blogs inside, but it's up to you, it's a perl thing :) |
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El_Che |
ok, i'll do that |
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bowtie |
El_Che, cool |
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szabgab |
guys, I think I'd like to run a little poll here |
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szabgab |
what do you think are the coolest projects in perl? |
| 17:55 |
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szabgab |
besides Padre of course :) |
| 17:56 |
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szabgab |
El_Che, bowtie I saw you were here 20 min ago :) |
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bowtie |
szabgab, hi |
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bowtie |
szabgab, plack |
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bowtie |
szabgab, Moose |
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szabgab |
something that can be interesting for people not using perl yet |
| 18:05 |
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bowtie |
a lobotomy |
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bowtie |
full frontal |
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szabgab |
bowtie: why do you type these things? |
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bowtie |
ok, seriously, the ones that try linux, it has to be system tools, how perl can make there life easer |
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szabgab |
web suff? |
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bowtie |
szabgab, why perl for web stuff, the demographic you are talking about will not be able to host, hence why web |
| 18:11 |
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bowtie |
only pages |
| 18:12 |
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bowtie |
most isp will offer php |
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bowtie |
szabgab, what's your demographic? |
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El_Che |
hey szabgab |
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szabgab |
hi El_Che |
| 18:37 |
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szabgab |
the "how can we find perl programmers" raised it ugly head again |
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El_Che |
as "we are a company and we don't find programmers"? |
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szabgab |
so I thought: if companies want more people to already know perl and web stuff then they should make sure there are coool things in perl |
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szabgab |
El_Che: yes that question |
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szabgab |
so what can a company do about that? |
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El_Che |
often that questions means "we don't find people at the salary we offer" or "that a wider problem than perl alone" |
| 18:39 |
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szabgab |
maybe they can find already existing cool projects and ask finance the developers a bit? |
| 18:39 |
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El_Che |
as in booking.com seem to have no trouble finding perl people |
| 18:39 |
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szabgab |
El_Che: oh they do |
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El_Che |
or in my case, we have been looking for a middleware admin for over a year |
| 18:40 |
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szabgab |
they pay tons of money to TPF |
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El_Che |
(good pay) |
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szabgab |
and go to every workshop there is |
| 18:40 |
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szabgab |
and they don't pay a lt as I understand |
| 18:40 |
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El_Che |
more wider - and that's why I like your question - is how do we make perl attractive again |
| 18:40 |
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El_Che |
lt? |
| 18:41 |
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szabgab |
lot |
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El_Che |
at the place I work, we have dozens of java programmers |
| 18:41 |
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El_Che |
most of them are terrible |
| 18:41 |
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szabgab |
El_Che: I know how I can make perl attractive again and I do it but I also try to think what can a company do |
| 18:42 |
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El_Che |
if someone has really the money, pay someone to fix what's bad in perl |
| 18:42 |
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szabgab |
(I do what I can which is of course not much ) but I would like to help companies in a way that might be good for the community as well |
| 18:42 |
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El_Che |
e.g. a better threading model, a better OO model |
| 18:43 |
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szabgab |
what's bad in perl? |
| 18:43 |
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szabgab |
so you think all the trouble is in the core? |
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El_Che |
I am not saying they need to pay someone 100%, but rather like google does |
| 18:43 |
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El_Che |
80% rock star programmer for the company, 20% for perl or something like that |
| 18:43 |
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szabgab |
well so Booking does put quite some money in p5p via TPF |
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El_Che |
and therefor better is in a better shape than it was some years ago |
| 18:44 |
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El_Che |
and therefor perl is in a better shape than it was some years ago |
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szabgab |
I was thinking to suggest that they contact the devlopers of certain projects and ask them if they would like to get some money |
| 18:45 |
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Steffen |
Admittedly late to the debate, but I fail to see how that makes sense. |
| 18:45 |
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szabgab |
Steffen: what I say? |
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Steffen |
"hey, dev, here, money"? |
| 18:46 |
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szabgab |
not like that |
| 18:46 |
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El_Che |
szabgab: I think that Perl needs to wow people as it used to do. It has still a lot of wow, but on some respects we need to do better (out of the box OO, better threading, better error handling) |
| 18:46 |
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El_Che |
people that know other languages, will miss those thing |
| 18:46 |
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szabgab |
"hey, dev, could you do more of this if you got some money?" |
| 18:47 |
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El_Che |
I fix those shortcoming using CPAN |
| 18:47 |
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szabgab |
or "could you add these features if you got some money?" |
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Steffen |
The answer to THAT is almost always "no" |
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Steffen |
And cases where the answer is "yes" AND the project would help achieve TPF goals are most certainl welcome. |
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El_Che |
mentioned the google model before Steffen entered the room |
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szabgab |
isn't that what nick told me on p5p a while ago? |
| 18:48 |
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szabgab |
TPF goals? |
| 18:48 |
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El_Che |
employ someone good and let him spend part of his time (let's say 20%) on Perl core or a important project |
| 18:48 |
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szabgab |
oh we are again back at TPF? |
| 18:48 |
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Steffen |
Err, I meant the question "hey, dev, could you do more of this if you got some money?" |
| 18:48 |
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szabgab |
that reminds me I made a mistake and offered my help to TPF |
| 18:48 |
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Steffen |
Yes, TPF has a mission. |
| 18:49 |
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szabgab |
and got no answer in I think 2 weeks |
| 18:49 |
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Steffen |
El_Che, so who would be a good candidate to work on the Perl core and reap clear benefits? |
| 18:49 |
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szabgab |
not yes, not no |
| 18:49 |
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szabgab |
as usual |
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szabgab |
I think I get off my soap box now |
| 18:49 |
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szabgab |
and go back to whatI have been doing |
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El_Che |
of course, google has the cash to get the top dev of project |
| 18:50 |
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El_Che |
eg the python creator |
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Steffen |
Erm. TPF is employing 1.5 of our top devs. |
| 18:50 |
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El_Che |
Steffen: thing about the numbers |
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El_Che |
I am sure the TPF does it best |
| 18:51 |
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El_Che |
but it's no huge multinational |
| 18:51 |
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Steffen |
? |
| 18:51 |
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Steffen |
corporation? So take booking.com instead. We're a huge multinational corporation and a good chunk of the TPF money is from us. |
| 18:51 |
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El_Che |
Steffen: the difference between you and Gabor is wether to pass through the TPF or not? |
| 18:52 |
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El_Che |
Personally, I think that Perl is in a better state than some years ago |
| 18:53 |
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Steffen |
Absolutely. |
| 18:53 |
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szabgab |
Steffen: I don't understand why did you bring TPF in this discussion? |
| 18:53 |
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Steffen |
Wrong assumptions: "<szabgab> I was thinking to suggest that they contact the devlopers of certain projects and ask them if they would like to get some money" |
| 18:54 |
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szabgab |
El_Che: I think that 20% model is also good and I'd suggest that too |
| 18:54 |
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Steffen |
Sounded like "they" being "the people with perl money" |
| 18:54 |
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szabgab |
I don't get it |
| 18:54 |
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szabgab |
who are "the people with perl money" ? |
| 18:55 |
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Steffen |
"they" in the above suggestion. |
| 18:55 |
|
Steffen |
Sorry, again, false assumptions. |
| 18:55 |
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szabgab |
so who are they? |
| 18:55 |
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Steffen |
You should know, you suggested it. |
| 18:55 |
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szabgab |
what did you think ? I am asking |
| 18:56 |
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Steffen |
TPF, of course. |
| 18:56 |
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szabgab |
oh no |
| 18:56 |
|
Steffen |
That's how it got in. |
| 18:56 |
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szabgab |
I did not mean them at all |
| 18:56 |
|
Steffen |
into the discussion |
| 18:56 |
|
Steffen |
Right, which is why I am pointing out my false assumptions. |
| 18:56 |
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szabgab |
right then ok |
| 18:56 |
|
szabgab |
so what I mean is companies that need perl devs |
| 18:57 |
|
szabgab |
and are bot called booking.com |
| 18:57 |
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szabgab |
s/bot/not/ |
| 18:57 |
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Steffen |
I fail to see how that would get them developers. |
| 18:57 |
|
szabgab |
as booking.com already found their avenue |
| 18:57 |
|
szabgab |
of contributing money |
| 18:57 |
|
szabgab |
directly not |
| 18:58 |
|
szabgab |
that will help them about the same way as the TPF donatins help booking.com |
| 18:58 |
|
szabgab |
I think |
| 18:58 |
|
Steffen |
I doubt it. |
| 18:58 |
|
El_Che |
being a little naive, and bbl while putting my kids to bed, I think that Larry's reapperance (or someone with a mega-pumpkin head) would help if it was clear what the problems were and what we want to fix (on a technical level) |
| 18:58 |
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szabgab |
getting their name out is one thing, but I think the bigger is a longer term thing |
| 18:58 |
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El_Che |
something like a road map |
| 18:59 |
|
szabgab |
El_Che: that's for p5p I take |
| 18:59 |
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Steffen |
yes, that is naive, sorry. |
| 18:59 |
|
szabgab |
but I think things could be done on CPAN |
| 18:59 |
|
szabgab |
probably at smaller steps |
| 18:59 |
|
El_Che |
Guys we want to work on better error handling, a new threading model and a way to get Moose light in core. |
| 18:59 |
|
El_Che |
in quotes |
| 18:59 |
|
El_Che |
RFC and join in |
| 19:00 |
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Steffen |
"better threading model" isn't going to happen. |
| 19:00 |
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El_Che |
every time I read p5p people seem to fight to death if someone wants to change comma on a perldoc |
| 19:00 |
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szabgab |
interesting, I was much more thinking about having really cool projects out ther |
| 19:00 |
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szabgab |
not core perl at all |
| 19:00 |
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El_Che |
that's also OK |
| 19:01 |
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El_Che |
'Guys, we won't be having a new threading model for reason X' |
| 19:01 |
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szabgab |
so e.g. getting the Dancer people do more and cooler things |
| 19:01 |
|
szabgab |
or pushing the SDL forward |
| 19:01 |
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El_Che |
Perl is in a lot of markets, so it's more difficult to find a posterchild |
| 19:01 |
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szabgab |
so it won't get stuck on "I need money to eat so I cannot hack on this now" |
| 19:02 |
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El_Che |
how is the TPF grant system working out? "I need €x to fix that" |
| 19:02 |
|
El_Che |
are you thinking on having more cpan projects on that kind of grants |
| 19:03 |
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szabgab |
I think the money TPF offers is to small for anything |
| 19:03 |
|
szabgab |
and they - as I was told - don't have more money |
| 19:03 |
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szabgab |
you can't do much with a one time 3K USD |
| 19:03 |
|
PerlJam |
Hmm. |
| 19:03 |
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szabgab |
at least not if you are in the first world |
| 19:04 |
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PerlJam |
Didn't TPF recently get ~$200K in donations ? |
| 19:04 |
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szabgab |
sorry I don't want to discuss what TPF has or has not |
| 19:04 |
|
szabgab |
That's their decision what they do with it and what they tell us about it |
| 19:05 |
|
szabgab |
I am sure they do the best they can do |
| 19:05 |
|
PerlJam |
szabgab: how about the new Camel book then? http://shop.oreilly.com/product/9780596004927.do :-) |
| 19:05 |
|
szabgab |
PerlJam: what about it? |
| 19:06 |
|
PerlJam |
nothing. random topic change. |
| 19:06 |
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szabgab |
oh :) |
| 19:06 |
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Steffen |
ALL of the big donations were earmarked for perl5 core. |
| 19:06 |
|
szabgab |
I bought i but have not read it yet |
| 19:09 |
|
szabgab |
https://github.com/languages |
| 19:09 |
|
szabgab |
PerlJam: what about that ? |
| 19:09 |
|
szabgab |
why is perl so small there? |
| 19:10 |
|
PerlJam |
Wish I knew |
| 19:10 |
|
PerlJam |
though I think I have a bit of a clue maybe |
| 19:10 |
|
szabgab |
and that is? |
| 19:10 |
|
PerlJam |
the Perl community is too old. |
| 19:10 |
|
szabgab |
you are telling me :) |
| 19:10 |
|
PerlJam |
We have our own mechanisms for doing things that predate github and other new technology, so we are slow to change |
| 19:11 |
|
szabgab |
slow to change and/or few new projects start? |
| 19:12 |
|
PerlJam |
perhaps a little of both |
| 19:12 |
|
szabgab |
even Java and Shell are higher! |
| 19:12 |
|
PerlJam |
also we aren't doing much in the way of "selling the sizzle" for perl. |
| 19:12 |
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szabgab |
what are those shell projects anyway? |
| 19:13 |
|
* szabgab |
looked up sizzle |
| 19:13 |
|
szabgab |
and steak |
| 19:13 |
|
szabgab |
now I am hungry :) |
| 19:24 |
|
El_Che |
we have cpan |
| 19:25 |
|
andmott |
cool I didnt know a new Camel book was coming out |
| 19:25 |
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El_Che |
that mean that you don't need to put your libraries all over the web (think java) |
| 19:25 |
|
El_Che |
andmott: the drm-free ebook is already out at the oreilly site. The hardcopy is for the beginning of march (acording to amazon) |
| 19:26 |
|
szabgab |
andmott: so you are not subscribed to the perl weekly :) |
| 19:27 |
|
szabgab |
El_Che: does that really happen often in Java? |
| 19:27 |
|
szabgab |
or are most of the needed libraries part of java |
| 19:28 |
|
szabgab |
or well established which one to use? |
| 19:28 |
|
El_Che |
no |
| 19:28 |
|
El_Che |
java sucks on that respect |
| 19:29 |
|
El_Che |
try finding a good ssh lib |
| 19:29 |
|
El_Che |
next to impossible |
| 19:29 |
|
szabgab |
but do most developers need ssh? |
| 19:29 |
|
szabgab |
library? |
| 19:29 |
|
El_Che |
more often than not |
| 19:29 |
|
szabgab |
or is that some relatively esoteric need? |
| 19:29 |
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El_Che |
no, they use ftp for that |
| 19:30 |
|
szabgab |
clever |
| 19:30 |
|
El_Che |
pretty common that apps move files around |
| 19:30 |
|
El_Che |
certainly in the batch world |
| 19:30 |
|
Hyppolit |
# 1406 : Padre::Plugin::Moose 0.08 cretique as requested (new enhancement) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/1406 ] |
| 19:30 |
|
El_Che |
the thing is, that good admins close non encrypted protocols |
| 19:30 |
|
El_Che |
and you don't want important data whe |
| 19:30 |
|
El_Che |
where the password and data is sent in clear text |
| 19:31 |
|
szabgab |
often I have a bad feeling that we are so proud of cpan that we don't see many other languages don't need it becasue of variaous reasons |
| 19:31 |
|
szabgab |
for example because their standard library contains what most developers need |
| 19:31 |
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andmott |
szabgab: nope I'm not subscribed to that, where do you subscribe |
| 19:32 |
|
El_Che |
on the other hand, you don't need a Moose-like lib for OO nor a Parallel::ForkManager for a parallel Queue |
| 19:32 |
|
szabgab |
andmott: http://perlweekly.com/ |
| 19:32 |
|
El_Che |
szabgab: I agree on that |
| 19:32 |
|
El_Che |
the all batteries included philosophy of java and partly python |
| 19:33 |
|
szabgab |
so get me a better name for DWIM Perl :) |
| 19:33 |
|
szabgab |
if you have one |
| 19:33 |
|
El_Che |
I think that some things on CPAN should be core, basic things that List methods, OO, try catch, etc |
| 19:33 |
|
El_Che |
other stuff, it better served on cpan |
| 19:34 |
|
andmott |
szabgab: thanks |
| 19:34 |
|
El_Che |
(think speed of development) |
| 19:34 |
|
szabgab |
andmott: thank you :) |
| 19:34 |
|
El_Che |
Tutti-Frutti Perl :) |
| 19:34 |
|
szabgab |
El_Che: I know the color of the web site |
| 19:34 |
|
El_Che |
szabgab: I read perlweekly on rss and on google plus? Do i need to subscribe? |
| 19:35 |
|
szabgab |
El_Che: no, but you will have to buy a quack for me :) |
| 19:35 |
|
El_Che |
I understand that something as moose would never got so good so fast if it was it core |
| 19:36 |
|
El_Che |
quack? |
| 19:36 |
|
szabgab |
hmm, the beer |
| 19:36 |
|
El_Che |
ahah |
| 19:37 |
|
szabgab |
but apparently it is spelled some other way |
| 19:37 |
|
El_Che |
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wi[…]pg/264px-Kwak.jpg |
| 19:37 |
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szabgab |
El_Che: yes, that one :) |
| 19:40 |
|
El_Che |
anyway |
| 19:40 |
|
El_Che |
great work you bindling everything |
| 19:40 |
|
El_Che |
but the name sucks :) |
| 19:41 |
|
El_Che |
"DWIM Perl, it really whips the llama's ass!" |
| 19:43 |
|
El_Che |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozmruwyHtsk |
| 19:46 |
|
szabgab |
El_Che: as I said, I am open for a name change |
| 19:47 |
|
szabgab |
actually I am very open for that |
| 19:47 |
|
Hyppolit |
wiki page http://padre.perlide.org/trac/wiki/Download changed by claudio |
| 19:47 |
|
El_Che |
the batteries included thing is obviously stolen from python, but I like it |
| 19:47 |
|
szabgab |
El_Che: how do you find such pearl? |
| 19:48 |
|
El_Che |
good memory |
| 19:48 |
|
szabgab |
but what, shall I call it biperl ? |
| 19:48 |
|
szabgab |
it reminds me of bipolar |
| 19:48 |
|
El_Che |
"Perl Batteries Included" |
| 19:50 |
|
szabgab |
you know once I wanted to build a pubuntu distribution |
| 19:50 |
|
El_Che |
perl ubuntu? |
| 19:50 |
|
szabgab |
Ubuntu with lots of Perl |
| 19:50 |
|
El_Che |
nah |
| 19:50 |
|
El_Che |
a Virtualbox VM, sure, great idea |
| 19:51 |
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szabgab |
a kwak could have been the logo :) |
| 19:51 |
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El_Che |
A distro? nah |
| 19:51 |
|
El_Che |
actually, that VM thing is a good idea |
| 19:51 |
|
El_Che |
performance is pretty good |
| 19:53 |
|
szabgab |
yeah I had that VM for my testing classes |
| 19:54 |
|
El_Che |
I run Linux, but I have a windows vm and a lubuntu vpn vm |
| 19:54 |
|
El_Che |
pretty good |
| 19:55 |
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Hyppolit |
# 1406 : Padre::Plugin::Moose 0.08 cretique as requested (new enhancement) new attachment [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/1406 ] |
| 19:55 |
|
Hyppolit |
wiki page http://padre.perlide.org/trac/wiki/Download changed by claudio |
| 20:12 |
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Hyppolit |
# 1406 : Padre::Plugin::Moose 0.08 cretique as requested (new enhancement) by bowtie [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/[…]et/1406#comment:1 ] |
| 20:22 |
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Hyppolit |
wiki page http://padre.perlide.org/trac/[…]/DownloadPerlbrew changed by claudio |
| 20:23 |
|
Hyppolit |
wiki page http://padre.perlide.org/trac/wiki/Download changed by claudio |
| 20:23 |
|
Hyppolit |
wiki page http://padre.perlide.org/trac/wiki/Download changed by claudio |
| 20:24 |
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| 20:25 |
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bowtie |
El_Che, ++ |
| 20:25 |
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El_Che |
bowtie: done, you stalker :) |
| 20:25 |
|
bowtie |
El_Che++ |
| 20:26 |
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bowtie |
El_Che, It did not hurt that much, did it :) |
| 20:27 |
|
El_Che |
and now you are a pedagogue :) |
| 20:30 |
|
El_Che |
now in my perl todo list I have at nr1 bugging p5p people to finally get perl 5.14.* built on SOlaris |
| 20:30 |
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Hyppolit |
Changeset #1 http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/1 |
| 20:32 |
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bowtie |
El_Che, had to look it up, lol, pedagogue -> a pedantic or dogmatic teacher :) |
| 20:34 |
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El_Che |
I meant just a practicer of education science, but your definition is even better |
| 20:34 |
|
El_Che |
let's take that one :) |
| 20:45 |
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bowtie |
El_Che, it was the third choice, but it made me laugh, so I shared it. |
| 20:47 |
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El_Che |
I had a laugh as well :) |
| 20:47 |
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bowtie |
El_Che, good :) |
| 20:48 |
|
El_Che |
Steffen: by the way, I have a TPF sticker on my laptop and normally I don't have stickers on my computers :) |
| 20:51 |
|
bowtie |
andmott, ping |
| 21:05 |
|
Steffen |
:) |
| 21:23 |
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El_Che |
szabgab: list at you israeli perl workshop video makes me almost believe I understand hebrew: "something-something-something-cloud-something-web-somethingsomething-schedule..." |
| 21:23 |
|
El_Che |
:) |
| 21:24 |
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szabgab |
:) |
| 21:24 |
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El_Che |
do you no futurama? |
| 21:24 |
|
El_Che |
you look like one of those body-less heads :) |
| 21:24 |
|
szabgab |
no? |
| 21:24 |
|
szabgab |
:) |
| 21:24 |
|
bowtie |
El_Che, url please :) |
| 21:25 |
|
El_Che |
https://plus.google.com/u/0/10[…]01369984525/posts |
| 21:26 |
|
szabgab |
http://mail.perl.org.il/piperm[…]ruary/012409.html |
| 21:26 |
|
szabgab |
there are 2 videos :) |
| 21:26 |
|
szabgab |
one with sawyer together |
| 21:38 |
|
El_Che |
yes, found my p5p contact to fix solaris |
| 21:40 |
|
bowtie |
El_Che, tell me more about body-less heads from the future, are those videos prof of life :) |
| 21:42 |
|
El_Che |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vq0ISUKp1Tg |
| 21:44 |
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bowtie |
El_Che, thanks. I get it, need another beer :) |
