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IRC log for #padre, 2012-04-07

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07:32 Hyppolit # 1422 :  missing perl58.dl (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/1422 ]
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07:38 negor Hi. Could anyone tell me how to create own theme on Win for Padre step-by-step? Thax
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12:43 egor Hi. Could anyone tell me how to create own theme on Win for Padre step-by-step? Thanx
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13:09 Hoyt hi , what kind of completion does padre support ? I tried it in Ubuntu , it's like "word" completion
13:09 Hoyt e.g when I type 'use LWP::' , it should pop up a set of possible modules , but there's not completion ?
13:48 bowtie egor, hi
13:51 bowtie egor,  ping
13:54 bowtie egor, Padre -> Help -> About -> Info to locate your .padre dir
13:54 bowtie egor, create a dir called 'theme'
13:56 bowtie egor, create a dir called 'themes'
13:57 bowtie egor, make a copy of this with your name -> http://padre.perlide.org/trac/browser​/trunk/Padre/share/themes/default.txt
14:00 bowtie egor, use this file to see changes -> http://padre.perlide.org/trac/browser​/trunk/Padre/eg/theme/style_perl5.pl
14:03 bowtie egor, see wiki -> http://padre.perlide.org/trac/wiki​/Features/SyntaxHighlightingTable
14:04 bowtie egor, I look forward to viewing your detailed wiki page on this :)
14:07 egor bowtie, can you wait until I ty it?)
14:07 bowtie egor, yes :)
14:08 egor shoul I change name in first string?
14:09 egor file extansion txt or yml?
14:09 bowtie egor, you could call it egor.txt
14:10 bowtie egor, use default.txt as a template
14:11 bowtie with a different name
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14:12 bowtie egor, Tools -> Prefs. -> Editor-Style to select egor
14:13 egor It works) Thank you very much)
14:13 bowtie egor, style_perl5.pl should see changes
14:14 egor One more question. If I try to set hotkeys Padre crashes
14:14 bowtie should help you see changes
14:15 egor Is there other way to set hotkeys?
14:15 bowtie egor, in Tools -> Prefs. -> Key-Bindings ?
14:16 egor yep
14:16 bowtie egor, are you registered?
14:16 egor where?
14:17 bowtie Hyppolit, trac!
14:17 Hyppolit Trac registration opened for 5 minutes. Please visit http://padre.perlide.org/trac/register to register
14:17 bowtie egor, follow link above
14:18 egor done
14:19 bowtie egor, please create a ticket for key bindings -> http://padre.perlide.org/trac/wiki/Tickets
14:20 bowtie egor, please wiki page link here -> http://padre.perlide.org/trac/w​iki/Features/SyntaxHighlighting
14:20 egor OperationalError: database is locked
14:21 egor On two pages
14:21 bowtie egor, silly Q did you login?
14:22 Hyppolit Trac registration closed
14:23 egor Can I write problem on russian?
14:24 bowtie egor, how about both, as we will have to ask one of our translators other wise
14:24 egor Ok
14:28 Hyppolit # 1423 :  Padre crashes on keybind / Padre закрывается при попытке задать гарячие клавиши (new defect) [ http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/1423 ]
14:29 egor Done. Thank you for your help.
14:30 bowtie egor, cool, welcome to the party :)
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20:28 Valentina_Greece Hello everyone. Sorry to bother all of you but I installed Padre and I got the error message that perl58.dll was missing... After consultations from FB I uninstalled all perl environments I had (basically strawberry) and DWI .... I rebooted my machine and tried reinstalling Padre but I got the same error message. My Machine's OS is Windows XP
20:29 Valentina_Greece Any ideas? I found perl58.dll on the net but I don't know where it should be copied for the whole thing to work
20:31 szabgab hi Valentina_Greece
20:32 Valentina_Greece hello
20:32 szabgab that was me on FB :)
20:32 szabgab I just don't seem to be able to post as my own identity on FB
20:33 Valentina_Greece :) Well as you see I took your advice ... I have a series of exercises for my postgrad that need to be done on Perl so any help is most appreciated as I am a complete novice to this
20:33 szabgab Let's see, how did you install Padre?
20:33 Valentina_Greece I went to the webpage and downloaded the executable : dwimperl-5.14.2.1-v7-32bit.exe
20:33 szabgab oh and are you from Greece? that's where your nick comes from?
20:33 szabgab ok, so then you definietly don't need perl 5.8.8.dll
20:34 Valentina_Greece I am currently in Greece ... (and yes I am Greek) :)
20:34 szabgab when did you get the .dll error message? during installation or later?
20:35 Valentina_Greece During installation towards the end when the executable opens a command window. I have a screenshot if you want to see
20:36 szabgab you could show that but I'd like you to check something else as well
20:36 szabgab open a cmd window
20:37 Valentina_Greece ok.. cmd window opened
20:37 szabgab and type     perl -v   in it and tll me what is the version number of perl you get there
20:37 * szabgab is launching winodws
20:38 Valentina_Greece This is perl 5, version 14, subversion 2 (c5.14.2) built for MSwin32-x86-multithread
20:39 szabgab and if you try to launch padre, does it work?
20:41 szabgab Could you run     echo %PATH% and paste the result?
20:41 Valentina_Greece Nope.. it states "This application has failed to start because perl58.dll was not found. Re-installing the application may fix this problem" (and trust me I did it ... TWICE) :)
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20:42 szabgab Oh and sure, I trust you :) I am just trying to figure out where is the problem
20:42 szabgab huh Cyb3r-Assassin ?
20:42 Cyb3r-Assassin hello world
20:43 szabgab You too Cyb3r-Assassin  nice nickname :)
20:43 Cyb3r-Assassin thanks :)
20:43 szabgab a bit frightening though
20:43 Cyb3r-Assassin lol
20:43 Cyb3r-Assassin im a nice assassin unless im paid
20:43 szabgab Valentina_Greece: Could you run     echo %PATH% and paste the result?
20:44 Valentina_Greece C:\oracle\product\10.2.0\db_1\bin;C:\WIN​DOWS\system32;C:\WINDOWS;C:\WINDOWS\Syst em32\Wbem;C:\Program Files\SDL International\SDLX;c:\Program Files\Microsoft SQL  Server\100\Tools\Binn\;c:\Program Files\Microsoft SQL Server\100\DTS\Binn\;C:\W INDOWS\system32\WindowsPowerShell\v1.0;C:\Program Files\QuickTime\QTSystem\;;;C: \Dwimperl\perl\bin;C:\Dwimperl\perl\s
20:45 szabgab ah orcle :)
20:45 szabgab Oracle
20:45 Valentina_Greece yes :) *bats eyelashes*
20:45 szabgab that is probably the source of the problem
20:45 Valentina_Greece and I can't uninstall it ... it's part of my work stuff
20:45 szabgab sure, so how did you try to launch padre, from the icon or from cmd?
20:46 Valentina_Greece icon
20:46 szabgab then try   padre in cmd
20:46 Valentina_Greece Just did and got the same annoying error message :(
20:47 * Cyb3r-Assassin just lurking till Valentina_Greece gets fixed up
20:48 szabgab C:\dwimperl\perl\bin\perl.exe  C:\dwimperl\perl\site\bin\padre
20:48 szabgab try this one
20:48 * Valentina_Greece says "Don't lurk... help a maiden in need!" ... LOL
20:48 * Cyb3r-Assassin dont know ur solution, /me dosnt use much windows
20:49 Cyb3r-Assassin general fix to windows is format C:\   D:\setup.exe
20:49 szabgab btw have you seen the new "Windows glasses"
20:49 szabgab ?
20:50 Valentina_Greece Nice one .. then I'll pull my hair out because I would have lost all my office stuff.. unfortunately it's a corporate machine ...
20:50 Valentina_Greece szabgab : still the same annoying message
20:50 Cyb3r-Assassin no but I seen the google glasses and the epsons glasses both are amazing and ill probly get one when more detailed information of functionality is released
20:50 szabgab Cyb3r-Assassin: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwModZmOzDs
20:50 Cyb3r-Assassin I still have unanswered questions about them
20:52 szabgab Valentina_Greece:      PATH=c:\dwimperl\perl\bin:%PATH%
20:52 Cyb3r-Assassin LMAO
20:52 szabgab and then     padre on the command line
20:52 szabgab nope
20:53 Valentina_Greece same annoying message ... I think I am a hopeless case
20:53 szabgab perl c:\dwimperl\perl\site\bin\padre
20:53 szabgab Valentina_Greece: it is just a problem that for some reason padre is using the wrong perl
20:53 szabgab the one that Oracle installed
20:53 szabgab and not the one that it came with
20:54 Valentina_Greece I tried the "perl c:\dwimperl\perl\site\bin\padre" and still same reaction
20:55 szabgab Valentina_Greece: so either the %PATH% was not set yet, could you check it please?
20:55 szabgab Valentina_Greece: so either the %PATH% was not set yet, could you check it please?
20:55 szabgab sorry for the duplication
20:55 Cyb3r-Assassin can you uninstall the oracle perl and perlmod then reinstall them
20:56 Valentina_Greece When I paste the "PATH=c:\dwimperl\perl\bin:%PATH%" it gives a new line and again the normal cmd prompt .. nothing else
20:56 szabgab or the padre script is running the oracle perl for some reason
20:56 szabgab Valentina_Greece: and if you    echo %PATH% again ?
20:57 Valentina_Greece THis is what I get:
20:57 Valentina_Greece c:\dwimperl\perl\bin:c:\dwimperl\perl\bi​n:C:\oracle\product\10.2.0\db_1\bin;C:\W INDOWS\system32;C:\WINDOWS;C:\W​INDOWS\System32\Wbem;C:\Program Files\SDL Interna tional\SDLX;c:\Program Files\Microsoft SQL Server\100\Tools\Binn\;c:\Program Fil es\Microsoft SQL Server\100\DTS\Binn\;C:\WINDOWS\​system32\WindowsPowerShell\v1.0 ;C:\Program Files\QuickTime\QTSystem\
20:57 szabgab les' try another crazy things:
20:57 Valentina_Greece (anything except format lol)
20:57 szabgab PATH=c:\dwimperl\perl\bin;​c:\dwimperl\perl\site\bin
20:58 szabgab and then
20:58 szabgab padre
20:58 Valentina_Greece error message
20:58 szabgab !@#!@$#!@
20:59 szabgab could you pate the content of the padre file  to http://scsys.co.uk:8001
20:59 szabgab paste I mean :)
20:59 Cyb3r-Assassin pastebin it
21:00 Valentina_Greece okay ... stupid question ... what content do you need exactly? the error message? (sorry been working for many hours and my mind is getting to be fried at this moment)
21:00 szabgab the content of c:\dwimperl\perl\site\bin\perl
21:01 szabgab the content of c:\dwimperl\perl\site\bin\padre
21:01 szabgab sorry the second one
21:01 szabgab I am tired too :)
21:03 Cyb3r-Assassin ok i been little bussy, whats the problem here?
21:05 szabgab Cyb3r-Assassin: Valentina_Greece has an olde perl installed by Oracle and for some reason, when alunching padre it tries to use that
21:05 szabgab but then it cannot find its own dll
21:05 szabgab which would not help either as that perl does not have all the padre modules
21:06 Valentina_Greece http://paste.scsys.co.uk/192022
21:07 Valentina_Greece not sure .. is the paste working now?
21:07 szabgab hmm, I don't see there any reason for this behavior
21:07 szabgab let's try something new
21:07 szabgab you ran perl -v  and got 5.14.2 right?
21:08 szabgab and you ran   perl c:\dwimperl\perl\site\bin\padre    ?
21:08 Valentina_Greece yes
21:09 szabgab could you please also paste the content of the padre.bat file
21:09 szabgab which is next to the padre file
21:10 Cyb3r-Assassin damn got side tracked again
21:11 Valentina_Greece http://paste.scsys.co.uk/192024
21:11 szabgab Valentina_Greece: and please also paste the result   of    perl -V
21:11 szabgab (capital v)
21:11 Valentina_Greece Use of :unique is deprecated at C:\oracle\product\10.2.0\db_1\perl\5.8.3\lib/MSW in32-x86-multi-thread/Config.pm line 39. Use of :unique is deprecated at C:\oracle\product\10.2.0\db_1\perl\5.8.3\lib/MSW in32-x86-multi-thread/Config.pm line 80. Perl lib version (v5.8.3) doesn't match executable version (v5.14.2) at C:\oracl e\product\10.2.0\db_1\perl\5.8.3\lib
21:12 szabgab wow and    perl -v   (lower case v)
21:13 Valentina_Greece This is perl 5, version 14, subversion 2 (v5.14.2) built for MSWin32-x86-multi-t hread  Copyright 1987-2011, Larry Wall  Perl may be copied only under the terms of either the Artistic License or the GNU General Public License, which may be found in the Perl 5 source kit.  Complete documentation for Perl, including FAQ lists, should be found on this system usi
21:13 szabgab that's scary
21:13 szabgab perl has an identity crizis
21:13 Valentina_Greece lol so it seems
21:14 szabgab and    echo %PATH%
21:15 Valentina_Greece c:\dwimperl\perl\bin;c:\dwimperl\perl\site\bin
21:16 * szabgab is in a state of shock
21:17 * Valentina_Greece offers szabgab something strong to bring him back from being shocked!
21:17 * Cyb3r-Assassin still say to uninstall perl and oracle and reinstall
21:18 szabgab so perl -v finds dwimperl but when it is trying to load its Config.pm it already goes to th e ora-perl which is not even in the path
21:18 Valentina_Greece I can't uninstall Oracle.. all the translation tools I have depend on finding the Oracle database ... and it takes A LOT of time to reinstall :(
21:19 Valentina_Greece szabgab : seems that way ... if I went and pasted the perl58.dll in the oracle perl?
21:19 Cyb3r-Assassin and you edited dwimperl and config.pm and make sure it dosnt link to ora-perl
21:19 szabgab one idea, but that is too will take some time is to "install DWIM Perl while oracle is not in the path"
21:20 szabgab so the steps would be : remove dwim perl
21:20 szabgab checne the PATH (temporarily) so oracle won't b in it
21:20 szabgab then install dwim pel
21:20 szabgab pray
21:20 Cyb3r-Assassin windows loves associations, think one of the installes took over that and it seems orcale was the one and not suprised knowing oracles history.
21:21 szabgab oh that migth be something what Cyb3r-Assassin hinting
21:21 Cyb3r-Assassin ^ thats what I was saying too szab
21:21 szabgab DWIM Perl does not do any file end association
21:21 Valentina_Greece Isn't there a way to edit somewhere DWIM perl to check it's own path?
21:22 szabgab I am really not sure what is the problem but I think , wait, maybe yes
21:22 Cyb3r-Assassin one file is associating a path somewhere
21:22 szabgab so what I thought is that during installation dwim perl changes some files to "reloacate" itself
21:23 szabgab maybe at that point it saw the ora-perl and got confused
21:23 Cyb3r-Assassin or ora-perl took over
21:23 szabgab let me try to see if dwim perl still has the eloaction script after installation
21:24 Valentina_Greece Even if we don;'t solve my problem I want to thank you for taking all this time to help me out
21:24 szabgab try to run c:\dwimperl\relocation.pl.bat
21:25 Valentina_Greece annoying error message makes its appearance again ! LOL
21:25 szabgab in the cmd window where you only have dwimperl in the path?
21:25 Valentina_Greece yes
21:26 szabgab so I'd recommend trying that longer route
21:26 szabgab uninstall dwim perl; change the PATH in the system   so it won't include Oracle
21:27 szabgab and then trying to install
21:27 szabgab and just re: Valentina_Greece about copying the perl58.dll   that won't help Padre
21:27 Valentina_Greece Okay .. let me pick your brain on an alternative given that I don't have much wiggle room in the corporate laptop ... if I install DWIMPERL on a netbook (a Vaio netbook) ... do you think it would be a livable situation?
21:28 szabgab I run it on a netbook with 1Gb memory
21:28 szabgab it works ok
21:28 szabgab and that is a windows netbook :)
21:28 Valentina_Greece So then I'll do that .. faster and easier.. I was just trying to have one machine where I would work everything ... *sigh*
21:29 szabgab in any case I 'd also like to see if we could solve the problem the way I suggested
21:29 szabgab as I am sure there will be other people with the same problem
21:29 Valentina_Greece What is interesting though was that when I installed strawberry perl it worked ... I just decided to g owith Padre after the suggestion of our teacher who said it would be easier to work with padre
21:29 szabgab and it would be nice to be able to tell them how can they solve it
21:30 Valentina_Greece I'll try the long route but I want to do it on Monday when I will have Orable Techies within a phonecall :D
21:30 szabgab oh tell the teacher++
21:30 szabgab and you can also install srtrawberry perl
21:30 szabgab but after you installed check if perl -V works
21:30 szabgab and then you can install padre from CPAN
21:30 szabgab it will take 2 hours but  it will work
21:30 szabgab after all DWIM Perl was made that way
21:31 Valentina_Greece I want to thank you for everything ... I'm sure I will be back here with more questions as I use it more and more :D
21:31 szabgab great
21:31 szabgab I hope it works out
21:31 Valentina_Greece ... and szabgab ... friend me on FB ;)
21:31 szabgab and send my regards to your teacher for recommending Padre :)
21:32 Valentina_Greece I will ... he just slammed us with a huge information extraction exercise with delivery date May 3rd .... and all that to people who have NEVER before seen or worked on Perl....
21:32 Valentina_Greece so my head is still spinning after all this LOL
21:32 szabgab check my tutorial if you need help :)
21:33 szabgab http://szabgab.com/beginner-perl-maven.html
21:33 szabgab anyway, I better go to sleep
21:34 Valentina_Greece Thank you .. I actually had found your site ;) ...
21:34 Valentina_Greece Nighters everyone and again THANK YOU!
21:34 szabgab good night &

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