Camelia, the Perl 6 bug

IRC log for #padre, 2012-04-10

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08:48 azawawi hi
08:48 azawawi Hyppolit: tell bowtie https://metacpan.org/module/Mojolicious::Guides
08:48 Hyppolit azawawi, I'll tell that bowtie when we see each other.
08:49 azawawi Hyppolit: tell bowtie another interesting package https://metacpan.org/module/Mojol​icious::Plugin::SQLiteViewerLite and https://metacpan.org/release/Moj​olicious-Plugin-MySQLViewerLite
08:49 Hyppolit azawawi, I'll tell that bowtie when we see each other.
08:51 azawawi Hyppolit: tell bowtie our objective is to be on the top 10 https://metacpan.org/favorite/leaderboard
08:51 Hyppolit azawawi, I'll tell that bowtie when we see each other.
08:53 * azawawi restarts
09:30 Hyppolit svn: r19005 | bowtie++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/19005
09:30 Hyppolit even out colums
09:30 Hyppolit trunk/template.padre.perlide.org/tt/pages/
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09:38 azawawi hi
09:39 bowtie azawawi, hi, I have been through the links you provided, I still say there documentation sucks, there is no walk through example, using generator as a starting point rather than a hacker ruby thing
09:39 bowtie azawawi, beside hello to you
09:39 azawawi i have been playing with Mojolicious plugins :)
09:41 azawawi basically im playing with PPI::HTML and the possibility of doing Perl highlighting editor as a Mojo plugin...
09:42 bowtie azawawi, I like the concept of Mojo, it's just there documentation is very poor from a newbe point of view, there are lots of assumptions made,
09:42 azawawi true
09:42 azawawi imagine => { use Mojolicious::Lite; plugin 'pedro'; app-start; } :)
09:43 azawawi app->start...
09:43 azawawi hehe
09:44 azawawi one thing i dont understand about Alias and P:P:ParserTool
09:44 azawawi is the assumption that there are other parsers...
09:44 bowtie azawawi, you need to kick your Mojo community to produce a nice walk through web app to entice new uses and devs to mojo
09:44 azawawi what's easier than https://metacpan.org/module/Mojolicious::Lite
09:45 azawawi mojo generate lite_app
09:45 azawawi # edit it...
09:45 azawawi and then
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09:46 azawawi morbo myapp.pl
09:46 bowtie azawawi, it's fragmented, give it to a new user, ask them to switch to psgi/plackup
09:47 azawawi Mojo is the fastest one around
09:47 azawawi development-wise
09:47 bowtie azawawi, I have spent several hours playing with mojo, Dancer documentation is easer to follow, Catalyst is better
09:48 azawawi https://metacpan.org/source/​SRI/Mojolicious-2.78/Changes
09:48 azawawi bowtie: join #mojo and ask ? :)
09:48 azawawi https://metacpan.org/source/X​SAWYERX/Dancer-1.3095/CHANGES
09:48 azawawi https://metacpan.org/source/​SRI/Mojolicious-2.78/Changes
09:49 bowtie azawawi, the issue is with there documentation, it just sucks, from a newbe view point
09:49 azawawi please note that recent mojo docs are focused on documentation
09:49 bowtie azawawi, and I like Catalyst, it's big and clunky, but well documented
09:50 bowtie azawawi, yes it's like reading an api doc
09:50 El_Che hi
09:51 El_Che I am still halfway my catalyst book
09:51 azawawi what about https://metacpan.org/favorite/leaderboard ?
09:51 El_Che no time to finish
09:51 El_Che but it looks good
09:51 azawawi El_Che: hi there...
09:51 El_Che how have you been ahmad?
09:51 azawawi padre has 13 votes
09:51 azawawi great now
09:51 El_Che how is the married life treating you?
09:51 azawawi that cough took like 90% of my energy
09:52 azawawi great
09:52 bowtie how do we add the DWIMPerl downloads
09:52 azawawi bowtie: fyi, i found some c:\strawberry hardcoded paths in dwimperl
09:53 azawawi bowtie: seems to me the relocation script is not 100% foolproof
09:53 bowtie azawawi, tell szabgab
09:53 azawawi Hyppolit: tell szabgab fyi, i found some c:\strawberry hardcoded paths in dwimperl
09:53 Hyppolit azawawi, I'll tell that szabgab when we see each other.
09:54 bowtie that would be the greek issue from the other day
09:54 azawawi i was like cpanm --self-upgrade # and has to restart... stupid win32... :)
09:54 azawawi s/has/had/
09:54 azawawi then restarted...
09:54 azawawi and pm-uninstall App::cpanminus
09:55 bowtie azawawi, what is the solution to the syntax php elesif cpanm failure?
09:55 azawawi and it complained about cpanm in not found c:\strawberry...
09:55 azawawi php?
09:55 azawawi link plz
09:56 bowtie azawawi, ok, going to find now
09:56 azawawi El_Che: im trying to write a plugin based on PPI to provide a Mojo plugin that will allow a morbo-ed application to edit itself :)
09:57 bowtie azawawi, cool
09:57 azawawi El_Che: and then i'll drop the cool rename variable and viola bye bye Padre :)
09:57 azawawi Padre lives in Mojo lol
09:57 El_Che :)
09:57 azawawi evil, isnt it? :)
09:57 bowtie but what about finishing P-P-snippets so it can be used
09:58 azawawi im so excited about this idea that i want to finish it :)
09:58 azawawi pedro must live :)
09:58 azawawi http://localhost:3000/pedro
09:58 azawawi :)
09:59 bowtie azawawi, do you use Moose with Mojo?
10:00 bowtie #1393
10:00 Hyppolit # 1393 :  test 14_warnings.t fails under cpanm set's $ENV{AUTOMATED_TESTING} true (assigned defect) by bowtie  [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1393#comment:4 ]
10:00 azawawi like any other Perl script...
10:00 azawawi nothing special...
10:01 * azawawi checks if there is an after|before class
10:01 * azawawi checks if there is an after|before clash
10:01 bowtie azawawi, 1393 confuses new Padre users
10:05 azawawi im thinking about workflow we have now for web...
10:05 azawawi padre a basically win32|linux application
10:05 azawawi web browser
10:06 azawawi edit something in padre and launch browser...
10:06 azawawi keep switching between padre and web browser...
10:06 azawawi in padre lives in a tab
10:06 azawawi then basically it is switching between tab and tab in the same browser
10:07 azawawi wxwidgets is cool and everything
10:07 azawawi but we have to admit that it is not moving as fast as the other technologies
10:07 azawawi especially the browsers
10:07 azawawi basically no one is interested in advancing the pace
10:08 azawawi and given that webgl is here
10:08 azawawi and audio...
10:08 azawawi and etc...
10:08 azawawi we're talking about a big chance at even PDL in that web space
10:09 azawawi maybe it is why padre is not gaining the popularity we want it to be...
10:09 azawawi or the community
10:10 azawawi or maybe im a just a fool talking nonsense :)
10:12 * azawawi looks around for any comments for his wall-of-text :)
10:19 bowtie azawawi, I agree that most people think perl is for building web apps, hence Padre needs to provide assistance to gain ground
10:20 azawawi bowtie: we shouldnt just say wxwidgets
10:20 azawawi bowtie: it is the source of 90% of less installations
10:20 azawawi bowtie: yes, scintilla is great but that doesnt mean, we should focus on it
10:21 bowtie azawawi, I thought we are waiting upon 2.9.2
10:21 azawawi we're waiting... & waiting... lol
10:22 azawawi let us just think what we're waiting for...
10:22 azawawi a better html rendering component
10:22 azawawi which is basically browser...
10:23 azawawi living outside a browser and Perl is for web applications...
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11:44 dod azawawi: I have some question about your versioning scheme for wx::scintilla ... (the new version 0.3801 may cause problem later in Debian if I'm not carefull)
11:45 azawawi dod: hi :)
11:45 dod azawawi: hello
11:45 azawawi dod: please explain
11:45 dod azawawi: do you plan to release a 0.39 version ?
11:45 azawawi dod: sure but not now...
11:45 azawawi dod: what's the problem with 0.3801?
11:46 dod azawawi: thing is, from debian package version point of view, 0.39 is not > to 0.3801
11:46 dod but 0.3900 is
11:46 azawawi i see
11:46 azawawi interesting
11:46 azawawi what about datetime-based versions
11:46 azawawi yyyymmdd ?
11:47 dod that works fine. Thing is, once you go for a versioning scheme, changing the scheme causes problems.
11:47 dod If you go back later to 0.39, I can release a 0.38.01 in Debian.
11:47 dod this won't cause problem
11:48 azawawi it is not a big deal i can re-release it as 0.39
11:48 dod that would be easier for me (and other distro packagers)
11:49 azawawi any problems with datetime-based releases?
11:49 azawawi just wondering...
11:49 dod no. But once you adopt this practice, you can't go back.
11:49 azawawi i saw a couple of cpan modules adapting that approach
11:50 dod well, you may want to keep the versioning scheme consistent with padre's ecosystem
11:50 azawawi eco what? :)
11:51 dod well, that's padre, its extensions and its bunch of users and packagesr ;-)
11:52 dod BTW, how is going the 'fix' plugin ?
11:52 azawawi im spaced-out
11:53 azawawi basically coming back from illness and a high workload...
11:53 azawawi and currently experimenting with web-based editors
11:54 dod ok. I feared I missed a release while I was distracting by perl hackathon (and also some sickness)
11:55 azawawi glad you're back
11:55 azawawi sometimes life throws unexpected events into your plans
11:55 dod that's why I avoid making plans ;-)
11:56 dod if I can ...
12:02 azawawi so far http://ace.ajax.org/build/kitchen-sink.html seems promising
12:02 azawawi ace editor
12:04 bowtie http://onionstand.blogspot.co.uk​/2009/04/padre-mojolicious.html
12:07 azawawi basically dropping PPI in charge of highlighting every char and incorporate some sort of re-highlight small pieces of code
12:07 azawawi PPI = slow
12:08 azawawi so web javascript that draw and reads characters (dummy editor).. and Perl Mojo backend that knows how to parse Perl and highlight it
12:08 azawawi s/draw/draws/
12:10 azawawi we're not even using 1% of what PPI can offer
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12:45 Topic for #padre is now Latest Padre is 0.94 - For installation see http://padre.perlide.org/trac/wiki/Download | Log: http://irclog.perlgeek.de/padre/today | Pasting: http://scsys.co.uk:8001
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17:53 stkowski Trying out the beta DMG of padre on OSX and it's crashing on launch. Any way I can get it to dump more debug to help figure out what is up? Tried using command-line open command and no dice.
17:54 stkowski I don't remember how to get a CAVA packaged app to cough up stderr on launch. *googles*
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