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IRC log for #padre, 2012-04-12

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00:07 DarkAngel Hi
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00:08 DarkAngel Hi
00:12 DarkAngel I was wondering if someone could help me with a problem I'm having. I installed Padre using the Dwim Perl package (on Windows 7 64bit), but when I try to run Padre, it never opens. The process is there, but the application never opens. I just re-installed my OS, but it worked on the previous OS. Is there any fix for this?
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06:49 Hyppolit wiki page http://padre.perlide.org/trac​/wiki/Features/Perl5Debugger changed by bowtie
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08:43 waxhead hey everyone
08:44 waxhead no alias still huh?
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08:53 azawawi waxhead: i sense someone talking about the great Alias :)
08:53 azawawi hi everyone
08:54 waxhead hey azawawi, yep.. alias.. who is moving/moved to the US
08:56 azawawi maybe you can see him now given that US is a small country like Jordan :)
08:56 azawawi hehe
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08:56 bowtie gm
08:56 azawawi bowtie: ford
08:56 azawawi bowtie: couldnt resist :)
08:57 bowtie lol
08:57 azawawi bowtie: gm to you 2
08:57 bowtie waxhead, hi
08:57 waxhead hey bowtie
08:57 waxhead so how are the two key Padre devs these days?
08:57 bowtie waxhead, can i request that we release padre 0.96 please
08:58 bowtie or 0.95 i don't mind
08:58 azawawi waxhead: Have you seen https://metacpan.org/module​/Mojolicious::Plugin::Pedro ? :)
08:58 azawawi Pedro is Padre little brother :)
08:58 waxhead I think we might have to, but alias raises a few things he wanted in before the next Padre
08:58 azawawi s/Padre/Padre's/
08:58 waxhead Pedro is also Peter in Spanish too isn't it?
08:59 azawawi cool ... 2 birds in one stone...
08:59 bowtie makes me think of little Mexican boys
08:59 bowtie but I have a weired sense of humor
09:00 azawawi waxhead: pedro => pedro (in google translate), Pedro => Peter ...
09:00 azawawi waxhead: you're right
09:01 bowtie waxhead, due to alias absence can we release Padre 0.95, hence alias can still do what ever for Padre 0.96
09:01 waxhead Woo Hoo.... named after me!  :)
09:01 azawawi and it runs in your favorite browser
09:01 waxhead Odd numbers are the current dev version, we'll just have to release 0.96
09:02 waxhead Which leaves Alias 2 dev cycles to get his changes he wants in for 1.0  :)
09:02 bowtie waxhead, aka 'taxi dad' :)
09:02 azawawi bowtie: is q{RELEASE_TESTING make test} working?
09:02 waxhead bowtie, it's not too bad the taxi thing...
09:02 waxhead It's more the camera/wanting to be a better photographer thing that has my time tied up these days.
09:02 bowtie waxhead, I know, I remember it well, before they went to Uni
09:02 azawawi waxhead: in 2 Alias-dev cycles, Pedro will grow up to be better than Padre :)
09:03 waxhead bowtie, my son has his learners license now...
09:03 azawawi learners license?
09:03 waxhead azawawi, really??
09:03 waxhead azawawi, for driving.
09:04 azawawi aha
09:04 azawawi grats
09:04 waxhead you start on your learners, then probationary then open license... by then you are in your early 20's
09:04 waxhead OMG... really...  a web based perl editor???
09:04 waxhead azawawi rocks!
09:05 waxhead does azawawi sleep/stop coding?
09:05 azawawi it is still crude but will be awesome
09:05 waxhead I'll bet...
09:05 azawawi bowtie: what do you think of the concept?
09:05 * azawawi gives bowtie the microphone...
09:06 azawawi waxhead: what's interesting is Perlito (Perl 5 to JavaScript) + Pedro... i like where this is going... :)
09:07 azawawi waxhead: and the names rhyme also
09:07 azawawi waxhead: Perlito and Pedro are friends
09:07 waxhead perlito?
09:07 waxhead oh.. haha.. :)
09:07 azawawi https://github.com/fglock/Perlito
09:08 azawawi read the README plz
09:08 bowtie my machine has slowed down as I am running RELEASE_TESTING
09:08 azawawi and meanwhile im actively writing more code into Pedro :)
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09:09 azawawi im stopping gaming in May altogether...
09:09 azawawi and gonna focus on Padre/Pedro...
09:10 bowtie ok RELEASE_TESTING running on ubuntu 11.10 with perl 5.14.2
09:10 bowtie also RELEASE_TESTING running on ubuntu 12.04b with perl 5.15.9
09:10 * azawawi 'svn up  && RELEASE_TESTING=1 make' on win32...
09:12 azawawi RELEASE_TESTING make test # is slow so because of the continuous spawning of perl -MCommand's on win32
09:13 azawawi bowtie: im starting to like ExtUtils::MakeMaker
09:13 azawawi bowtie: it is simple. no need to install anything
09:13 azawawi bowtie: and the documentation is excellent
09:13 bowtie azawawi, unlike mojo :)
09:13 azawawi true... the routing stuff got me mixed up
09:14 azawawi you know what's puzzling about mojo
09:14 bowtie how can you call html.ep an advance over tt or tt2
09:14 azawawi $self->render(...) # at the end of a route or web context response
09:14 azawawi that can take many forms... it is powerful
09:15 azawawi but at the end... it can result in waiting for response and many hours of debugging stuff
09:15 bowtie like the [% %] it make things easer for me being dyslexic
09:15 azawawi what's the problem with [% %] as a dyslexic? just wondering because i really dont know.
09:16 bowtie both mojo and dancer use <% %> as default
09:17 azawawi waxhead: what browsers are using these days?
09:18 azawawi bowtie: and?
09:18 bowtie azawawi, it's to do with pattern recognition, and being easily able to spot things
09:18 azawawi i see
09:18 azawawi even with syntax highlighting it is hard?
09:18 azawawi have you raised this issue to #mojo?
09:18 azawawi #mojo ?
09:19 waxhead azawawi, firefox on windows mostly
09:19 waxhead my son is convinced I should go to chrome
09:20 * waxhead is updating padre on windows to run testing
09:20 * azawawi cpanm Debug::Client
09:20 azawawi waxhead: luckily they're the same now as development has picked up for both of them
09:20 bowtie chrome is yuck imho as it has all that urchin sh*t built in :)
09:21 azawawi bowtie: privacy issues?
09:21 bowtie yes,
09:21 azawawi bowtie: just for your information, living in a 3rd world country is a blessing sometimes... :)
09:21 azawawi bowtie: try explaining privacy issues to people here and they will laugh... :)
09:22 azawawi bowtie: because we do not have companies taking advantage of the information gathered till now
09:22 azawawi bowtie: it is basically SMS marketing and that's it
09:22 bowtie I don't have an issue the police doing it, but i do with a commercial company
09:22 azawawi bowtie: no SPAM mail
09:23 * azawawi runs tests again after installing Debug::Client. bowtie++
09:24 bowtie azawawi, I run a smoothwall firewall to filer out ads in web pages, and then do local redirect to local web to send back lame js files an 204
09:25 azawawi i develop a big JS application in my company
09:25 azawawi fyi
09:25 azawawi :)
09:25 azawawi a very big JS application
09:26 azawawi t/11_svn.t ......................... skipped: Not in an SVN checkout
09:26 azawawi basically in subversion 1.7, .svn folders are not being used
09:31 Hyppolit svn: r19007 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/19007
09:31 Hyppolit Fix t/win32/002-menu.t (GUI test under RELEASE_TESTING). Basically "Duplicate" menu item pushed "Perl &6 Script" down by one menu item.
09:31 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/t/win32/
09:32 shadowpaste "bowtie" at 217.168.150.38 pasted "here is result of ubuntu 11.10 perl 5.14.2" (369 lines) at http://paste.scsys.co.uk/193313
09:32 waxhead Oh joy... it's been ages since I've done this on this laptop
09:32 bowtie lol
09:32 waxhead I'm guessing a few modules need to be updated. :)
09:32 azawawi waxhead: perl Makefile.PL
09:32 azawawi waxhead: and cpanm the missing :)
09:33 azawawi waxhead: or...
09:33 waxhead that's what I'm doing...
09:33 azawawi waxhead: cpan . # and it will install it :)
09:33 waxhead and on Google+
09:33 waxhead and Looking at photos from last night
09:34 waxhead sigh... this is going to be fun...
09:35 Hyppolit svn: r19008 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/19008
09:35 Hyppolit UNIX EOL  for script/*
09:35 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/script/
09:35 waxhead C:\Users\pete\Documents\Programm​ing\Perl\Padre\trunk\Padre>perl Makefile.PL
09:35 waxhead inc::Module::Install version 1.04 required--this is only version 0.91 at Makefil
09:35 waxhead e.PL line 8.
09:35 bowtie rats, missing Test::Perl::Critic on bleedbox, start again
09:35 waxhead however when I upgrade Module::Install it tells me it's at the latest
09:36 azawawi make realclean
09:36 azawawi rm -rf inc
09:36 azawawi perl Makefile.PL
09:37 azawawi :)
09:37 bowtie retesting against 19008
09:37 waxhead odd...
09:37 azawawi svn st # to make sure you do not have any leftovers...
09:37 waxhead installing it works
09:38 bowtie azawawi, yes I have noticed that with latest Module::Install, sometimes needs a rm -rf inc :)
09:39 bowtie who's going to tell alias his baby has a fault :)
09:39 azawawi buggy like my software... :)
09:40 azawawi http://code.google.com/p/mojolicious-plugin-pedro/  # Google sure knows how to make things simple
09:41 azawawi waxhead: for common cpan packages, you can save time by doing a cpanm --notest package-name
09:42 azawawi waxhead: ofcourse you save time and lose some safety... but this is life :)
09:42 * azawawi lunch &
09:43 bowtie azawawi, are trying to say on that google page that you can either run as mojo plugin, or as stand alone using mojo-lite?
09:44 bowtie azawawi, you probably need to disseminate to a lower level, remember when you were just a newbe :)
09:47 bowtie why under release testing do we have to enter tabs?
10:01 azawawi xt/critic-core.t   # works now under win32
10:02 shadowpaste "bowtie" at 217.168.150.38 pasted "Alias, which came first, the chicken or the egg...." (141 lines) at http://paste.scsys.co.uk/193317
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10:05 shadowpaste "bowtie" at 217.168.150.38 pasted "release testing ubuntu 11.10 perl 5.14.2" (125 lines) at http://paste.scsys.co.uk/193318
10:06 azawawi bowtie: "why under release testing do we have to enter tabs?".. under ubuntu?
10:06 bowtie Hyppolit, tell alias http://irclog.perlgeek.de/​padre/2012-04-12#i_5431702
10:06 Hyppolit bowtie, I'll tell that alias when we see each other.
10:09 bowtie azawawi, yes, when doing extra tests, you get a Padre screen preceded by how may tabs asked twice, which mask each other, I assume that the author of these tests did not run against ubuntu :)
10:13 azawawi bowtie: how is this for an intro? http://code.google.com/p/mojolicious-plugin-pedro/
10:17 azawawi bowtie: i have just updated for better wording :)
10:17 azawawi bowtie: hope you like it now
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10:36 bowtie azawawi, simple, now if only all mojo documentation was like this I would be happy :) thanks
10:40 azawawi cool
10:42 waxhead upgrade upgrade upgrade
10:42 azawawi that's what im targeting in Pedro... less upgrade :)
10:42 bowtie every day
10:43 azawawi waxhead: did you try Pedro? :)
10:44 waxhead azawawi, do you have a web site with it installed/running?
10:44 azawawi cpanm Mojolicious::Plugin::Pedro
10:44 azawawi pedro
10:44 azawawi http://127.0.0.1/pedro # in your browser :)
10:44 azawawi sorry...
10:44 waxhead no way.. really?
10:44 azawawi http://127.0.0.1:3000/pedro # in your browser :)
10:44 bowtie from Mexico :0
10:45 bowtie 0:3000/pedro
10:45 azawawi viva méxico
10:45 bowtie I am lazy
10:47 bowtie azawawi, how about this as a Perdo ambassador -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wik​i/File:Speedy_gonzales.jpg
10:50 azawawi Pedro... :)
10:57 daxim Sandista, nooooooooooooooooooo~
10:57 bowtie waxhead, how's it going?
10:58 waxhead getting there... just testing now.
10:58 waxhead oh.. testing wasn't with release_testing
11:01 Hyppolit svn: r19009 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/19009
11:01 Hyppolit Added missing q{use t::lib::Padre;} to silence the lambs and fixed some other loading typos :)
11:01 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/t/
11:01 bowtie ok, will re-run releas testing against above
11:20 shadowpaste "bowtie" at 217.168.150.38 pasted "release testing ubuntu 11.10 perl 5.14.2" (25 lines) at http://paste.scsys.co.uk/193319
11:23 bowtie waxhead, is there any reason why we can't make next release as padre 0.95 instead of 0.96?
11:24 waxhead How do you plan to do plugin dev if we do that?
11:24 waxhead the reason we have the alternative numbering is to allow dev work with plugins after the release...
11:24 waxhead something adam came up with due to the plugin archectecture...
11:25 bowtie ok, I will shut up, thanks for the advice :)
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11:34 waxhead_ it's not a big deal to go to 0.96, it will just cramp Adam's space to get things done before the 1.0 release :)
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11:49 Hyppolit svn: r19010 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/19010
11:49 Hyppolit Fix typo in ServerManager.pm
11:49 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/
11:51 Hyppolit svn: r19011 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/19011
11:51 Hyppolit Remove TODO code that basically does nothing at the moment and causes xt/badcode.t to say you are a bad ServerManager.pm :)
11:51 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/
11:51 Hyppolit # 1405 :  Reload of more than one file regression (new defect) by bowtie  [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/1405#comment:2 ]
11:59 Hyppolit svn: r19012 | azawawi++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/19012
11:59 Hyppolit Comment more TODO code that makes xt/badcode.t say PopularityContest.pm has bad code.
11:59 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/lib/Padre/Plugin/
12:00 bowtie ok, re-running 19002
12:01 bowtie ok, re-running 19012
12:01 bowtie I ment
12:01 bowtie :)
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12:14 waxhead OK, time to go to bed... early start tomorrow..
12:15 waxhead let me know if you want to roll out 0.96 via the mailing list and I'll make start on it over the weekend.
12:15 waxhead night!
12:15 waxhead :)
12:17 bowtie release testing ubuntu 11.10 perl 5.14.2 passed
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14:29 azawawi cpanm -v http://cpan.metacpan.org/authors/id/A/AZ/AZ​AWAWI/Mojolicious-Plugin-Pedro-0.02.tar.gz
14:30 bowtie woo-hoo version 0.02 is here, going to look, now :)
14:32 azawawi more documentation.. and pedro launches its browser :)
14:32 azawawi i'll focus on documentation a lot from now onwards
14:33 bowtie i just did svn up, but now getting Browser::Open :)
14:47 bowtie azawawi, why O why, when I invoke morbo script/pedro, then use firefox to view http://0:3000/pedro do i get another browser opened
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15:23 Hyppolit svn: r19013 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/19013
15:23 Hyppolit Update the messages.pot file
15:24 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/share/locale/
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