Camelia, the Perl 6 bug

IRC log for #padre, 2012-04-27

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09:46 _EviL_ hi there :)
09:47 _EviL_ anyone alive ?
09:59 daxim I am
10:00 _EviL_ great :)
10:00 _EviL_ hi
10:01 _EviL_ daxim - maybe you know who should i torture to get access to svn?
10:02 daxim szabgab, sewi - your customer
10:03 daxim http://svn.perlide.org/padre
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10:05 bowtie gm
10:05 _EviL_ well... i want to upload translation...
10:06 _EviL_ so... i need access to write to it
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10:19 _EviL_ well.. i wrote an email to szabgab...
10:20 _EviL_ see you later guys :) and ladies
11:21 szabgab I see _EviL_ is gone now
11:21 szabgab does he have an account on trac?
11:22 szabgab daxim, bowtie do you know ^^^^?
11:24 bowtie szabgab, hi, I have not spoken to _EviL_ before, but they have an endearing nick-name, Not :)
11:29 szabgab bowtie: in order to give commit bit one needs to have an account on our trac
11:29 szabgab and then we can add that user-name to http://svn.perlide.org/pad​re/subversion/padre-access
11:30 szabgab I sent an e-mail to _evil_ telling him he needs to come back to IRC and create an account on trac
11:30 bowtie szabgab, ok, I will pass it on, if I see the _EviL_ one :)
11:30 szabgab at the bottom of that file you see the 4 people who have commit bit to the commit bit :)
11:31 daxim alright, good to know
11:31 szabgab but if youare both here I'd like to reais the issue of moving to git
11:32 szabgab *raise
11:32 szabgab I'd like to slowly move all the projects to github
11:32 szabgab starting with a few non padre modules
11:32 szabgab what do you think?
11:33 * daxim is amused
11:33 daxim are you asking for permission or what?  I don't quite understand
11:33 bowtie szabgab, I used cvs once, now svn through out, don't use git at all
11:34 bowtie I have no client or server tools
11:34 szabgab daxim: I have not been too involved in Padre recently and I don't want to just come and upset stuff
11:34 szabgab so in a way I ask permission yes
11:34 bowtie I hate the fact that I will need yet another account on a git-hub
11:34 szabgab bowtie: please remind me, what OS ?
11:35 daxim then get buy-in from the heavy users, I only have a couple insignificant commits
11:35 szabgab daxim: but you are the resident git expert I think
11:35 bowtie szabgab, linux, by no tools, means I have no experience with them, the good the bad and ugly
11:36 szabgab bowtie: the basics of git are very simple
11:36 daxim but converting is more a social problem than a technical
11:36 * sewi still doesn't like the idea of moving to git with or without any hub
11:36 bowtie szabgab, they are all vcs
11:36 szabgab bowtie: and the command line git is ok
11:36 szabgab bowtie: you see :)
11:37 szabgab sewi: and why not, care to remind me?
11:37 bowtie I avoid command lines due to spelling mistakes
11:37 szabgab bowtie: you have less typos than I do
11:38 sewi szabgab: Loss of history, no reason to do it, additional complexity.
11:38 szabgab but could you check if there is a gui for git on linux?
11:38 daxim my last knowledge is that adamk vetoed because he didn't like any graphical tool for windows until smartgit.  what else are blockers now?
11:38 bowtie szabgab, I think you are trying to avoid sorting out the padre server, by moving to a git of a thing
11:38 szabgab bowtie: those are unrelated
11:39 szabgab sewi: we won't lose history
11:39 sewi We've been talking about moving to git within the company lately, there are few people using it but most don't use it and would have to be trained.
11:39 szabgab only the connection to trac
11:39 szabgab bBUT
11:39 szabgab BUT
11:39 bowtie szabgab, how do we maintain our current nicknames
11:39 szabgab I don't want to move Padre to git (yet)
11:39 sewi szabgab: Could git import the svn history? I thought this is impossible for most of the data.
11:39 szabgab maybe not even the plugins at first
11:39 bowtie there is a trac git shim
11:39 sewi And we'ld loose our commit hooks
11:40 szabgab at first I'd like to only move things that don't start with Padre
11:40 szabgab sewi: we can import svn to git
11:40 daxim sewi, these are mere technicalities
11:40 szabgab with history
11:40 szabgab and we can add some kind of commit hook to github as well
11:41 szabgab though it won't be that good I think as we have now
11:41 sewi Yes, but our company-git people said that only parts of the data are convertable, many things will get lost. Maybe they're wrong.
11:41 szabgab but that's why I suggest to move some of the external modules
11:41 sewi We're discussing reasons why _not_ move, but I still see no reason why we should move at all.
11:42 daxim less commit fuck-ups, for one thing
11:42 szabgab sewi: I'd keep the whole svn intact so if someone really wants to dig history he could do it
11:42 sewi I'll start using git when Padre is moving, maybe I'll  love it, maybe I'll hate it
11:42 szabgab sewi: it would be a no-brainer for someone who does not have a commit bit to contribute
11:42 szabgab that's what i really like in github
11:43 szabgab that someone can come it, clone, commit without need to wait for a commit bit
11:43 szabgab and then the few people with commit bit can merge
11:44 sewi We have kind of it now with trac support, but it's not the same.
11:44 bowtie szabgab, why don't you take one of your Padre-Plugins that needs updating to new api and do the move with that and all the other stuff such as p-p-vi
11:44 sewi But we rarly get commits/patches from new people.
11:44 szabgab sewi: have you used github?
11:44 szabgab bowtie: I actually already move the Kate module to github a few weeks ago
11:44 sewi szabgab: As a user, yes, not as a developer. Always had trouble using it as a user.
11:45 szabgab when Ovid wanted to send a patch while he was in Paris at the QA Hackathon
11:45 bowtie daxim, are you aware that the current svn is -> Powered by Subversion version 1.4.6 (r28521).
11:45 Hyppolit Changeset #28521 http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/28521
11:45 szabgab sewi: we don't get pacthes maybe because they don't want o bother with svn
11:46 sewi maybe :)
11:46 szabgab but let's not think about moving Padre to git yet
11:46 szabgab let's focus on the following:
11:46 daxim bowtie, I guess now I am aware - how is the version number significant? what do you want to tell me?
11:46 szabgab PPIx-EditorTools Debug-Client
11:47 szabgab and then maybe some others that don't start with Padre.*
11:47 bowtie daxim, some of our issues are due to using an old svn version, we should be using 1.6.2+
11:47 bowtie current is 1.7.+
11:48 sewi Getting Padre to the people is hard since we got so many bad bugs :-(
11:48 bowtie szabgab, do not move Debug-Client, I am still working on it
11:48 szabgab bowtie: I was hoping that you'll be able to switch using git for that
11:48 szabgab :)
11:49 sewi szabgab: Create a Padre copy on git and merge every commit from svn to git.
11:49 szabgab sewi: nope
11:49 szabgab I don't want to have Padre on git
11:49 szabgab at least not yet
11:49 sewi People could add git suggestion pateches if they like and we'll see how many patches come in :)
11:49 szabgab I don't want to create extra work for myself
11:50 szabgab and again, I don't want to move Padre
11:50 szabgab are we ok with that?
11:50 szabgab or maybe I have not explained myself well yet
11:50 daxim can I have a copy of the raw svn repo to play with?   http://padre.perlide.org/trac/wiki/GitMigration
11:50 bowtie szabgab, I am not going to, it's a wast of my time.
11:50 sewi it's ok :)
11:50 daxim I'm afraid cloning from http would take me 4 days
11:51 sewi Any idea how to improve the bug situation?
11:51 szabgab daxim: I could give one to you but I think its a waste of time right now
11:51 daxim how about a log-in for the server, then?
11:51 szabgab we don't plan to move the whole Padre repo yet
11:52 szabgab daxim: you already did this once and we have not moved to git back then
11:52 szabgab why do you want to waste *your* time with this again?
11:52 daxim you asked me to verify the test balloon conversion at qa hackathon, I want to do it the exact way and then compare
11:53 szabgab daxim: ok, I'll provide you with links to download the backups
11:54 szabgab its about 100 Mb I think
11:54 daxim :thumb:
11:58 szabgab daxim: http://perlide.org/download/svn/
11:58 szabgab at least this way we'll see if the backups are worth anything :)
11:59 szabgab daxim: plse let me know when you have downloaded them so I can remoev the files
12:01 daxim done downloading
12:01 szabgab wow
12:01 szabgab that was fast
12:03 bowtie szabgab, why don't you do this with PPIx-EditorTools then buff3r can commit see #401, how are you going to deal with tidy issue?
12:03 Hyppolit # 401 :  Output Panel should show moose (attributes, methods and method modifiers) (new enhancement) by bowtie  [ http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/ticket/401#comment:18.19 ]
12:04 daxim I hope that my local modern svn version does not falsify anything;  the dumps should be versioning neutral
12:05 szabgab bowtie: ok
12:05 szabgab I'll do that
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12:06 daxim importing is slooow, perhaps half a second for each commit
12:06 _EviL_ hello :)
12:06 daxim welcome back
12:07 bowtie szabgab, his e-mail should be in trac registration info
12:07 szabgab hi _EviL_
12:07 _EviL_ hi szabgab :)
12:07 szabgab Hyppolit: trac!
12:07 Hyppolit Trac registration opened for 5 minutes. Please visit http://padre.perlide.org/trac/register to register
12:07 _EviL_ i've just read your email :)
12:07 szabgab _EviL_: there is the link to the registration form
12:08 _EviL_ ok :) thank you :)
12:08 _EviL_ i'm registered now (i think)
12:12 Hyppolit Trac registration closed
12:12 szabgab you are just plain evil, right?
12:13 _EviL_ quite cute evil imho :)
12:13 Hyppolit svn: r19049 | szabgab++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/19049
12:13 Hyppolit Welcome the cute evil to Padre
12:13 Hyppolit subversion/
12:14 szabgab _EviL_: now you have your commit bit
12:14 _EviL_ great :)
12:14 szabgab befor you do sweeping changes to Padre, please consult with the other on the channel
12:14 Hyppolit svn: r19050 | evil++ | http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/19050
12:15 Hyppolit Updated Polish translation
12:15 Hyppolit trunk/Padre/share/locale/
12:15 szabgab I am off to my afternoon nap
12:15 szabgab _EviL_++
12:15 El_Che getting old, gabor
12:15 szabgab El_Che: way too old
12:16 _EviL_ and you aren't getting younger... :]
12:18 _EviL_ i'm very experienced in Perl programming, I won't change anything before I speak with someone smart
12:18 _EviL_ i do this translation for fun :)
12:19 _EviL_ ups... i'm not very experienced :)
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12:41 szabgab back from sleeping :)
12:42 El_Che old people don't need a lot of sleep
12:42 El_Che :)
12:43 bowtie I have been awake all the time :)
12:43 daxim szabgab, the 4 files are not a complete backup, padre.dump.bz2 goes only until r3070
12:43 Hyppolit Changeset #3070 http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/3070
12:44 szabgab daxim: interesting though not funny :)
12:45 szabgab I'll check it nd fix it
12:45 szabgab El_Che: that reminds me I have not seen you blogging for a while
12:47 El_Che szabgab: busy busy busy
12:47 El_Che BUT
12:47 El_Che I have fosdem pics
12:47 El_Che show them in the pm meeting
12:47 El_Che will put them online
12:49 El_Che and I am reading programming perl for a review
12:49 El_Che that's 2 blog posts
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13:07 szabgab daxim: http://perlide.org/download/svn/
13:07 szabgab try now
13:08 szabgab this is a full dump
13:10 daxim done downloading
13:13 bowtie szabgab, you seam to have confused git with github, p5p use git but do not use github
13:14 daxim when was a mention of p5p ?
13:15 bowtie daxim, it was an example that using git dose not mean github :)
13:16 daxim I think the point is that github makes contributing even easier than plain git
13:16 daxim iirc it's now possible to edit files in the web browser, git not even needed for trivial patches
13:17 bowtie iirc?
13:17 szabgab daxim+=
13:17 szabgab daxim++
13:18 szabgab github is what makes contribution so very esy
13:18 szabgab not git alone
13:19 bowtie do you need to register to use it?
13:20 daxim yes, it's the traditional email registration
13:20 bowtie daxim, what about nicknames
13:21 daxim ask the whole question, I don't know what you mean
13:21 szabgab bowtie: I am szabgab on github
13:21 szabgab bowtie: daxim is daxim
13:22 bowtie but what if it was being used by someone else?
13:22 szabgab bowtie is Luís Pimentel)
13:22 daxim then you came to late and have to fall back to your alternative nick
13:23 bowtie that's not me, I have been bowtie for years, see nickname for bowtie.org
13:23 bowtie nickname -> netnames
13:23 daxim compare  https://github.com/mst  https://github.com/shadowcat-mst
13:24 bowtie daxim, what am i looking for
13:25 daxim mst on github is not the usual mst we would expect
13:26 bowtie the beer drinker :)
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