Camelia, the Perl 6 bug

IRC log for #padre, 2012-06-20

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05:43 numberwhun Hello everyone!
05:43 numberwhun I was wondering if there was a page other than http://padre.perlide.org/trac/wiki/Tickets where we could log bugs to?  The link seems broken.
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09:54 bowtie gm
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10:39 daxim bowtie, I'm owing a screenshot from yesterday:  http://imgur.com/gQlmR
10:40 daxim encoding option is at the bottom
10:41 bowtie daxim, hi, thanks
10:43 daxim the gtk open dialog padre is using is so dysfunctional in comparison, it hurts
10:43 bowtie daxim, ok I get it, you are saying just like in gimp you can chose the image file type on save so one should be-able to in Padre
10:44 daxim no, I'm saying there needs to be an encoding option on load and save to make that feature work that was discussed the last couple of days
10:45 bowtie would I be correct in assuming that Padre would need to have the Change Encoding feature in Edit working first, before creating a custom save dialogue ?
10:46 daxim no, Change Encoding can then be removed altogether
10:47 daxim it's the wrong mental model
10:47 bowtie ok, I get the way you are thinking
10:47 bowtie if you want a different encoding then save as
10:48 daxim correct
10:48 daxim it's the same mental model as any perl programmer deals with octets and characters in their code
10:48 bowtie daxim, I can see the light, thanks
10:52 bowtie daxim, I am happy to spend some time looking at this, but, if you and others could provide some sample files, as I normally only work in lower ascii and utf-8, which is ok as I only speak English, on linux
10:56 daxim http://p3rl.org/piconv
10:56 daxim convert stuff yourself
10:56 bowtie daxim, thanks, :)
10:57 bowtie ok, I will look at piconv
10:58 bowtie as for a save dialogue, dose it only require the addition of file type?
11:18 daxim it just occurs to me that you can install kate and see yourself what else is missing apart from the encoding
11:20 bowtie daxim, ok, I will install kate, but is the kate implementation consider perfect?
11:22 daxim I haven't seen anything better for the encoding problem yet; and in general the standard KDE open/save dialogs are much better than anything else
11:23 daxim I have filed a couple of bugs related to saving/closing several files in padre some years ago, still unfinished
11:26 bowtie daxim, I am thinking along the lines of a plugin in first case, then later moving to core when working, as I did with debug2
11:33 bowtie daxim, I notice that kate shows the file encoding on status line
11:38 bowtie daxim, ok I have been looking at gedit as well, I notice that gedit enables seting the line ending as well on save, but is incapable of displaying the encoding type
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11:39 bowtie so should we also consider line ending as well?
11:39 bowtie dod, any thoughts?
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13:16 dod1 bowtie: if the encoding can be specified at load time, displaying it on the bottom line makes more sense. The important part is to keep the chosen encoding at save time (or offer an alternate with "save as ...")
13:17 dod1 gaupol (a python/gtk application) does it right: you can choose encoding at load time, and you can choose encoding and line ending at "save as ..." time
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13:27 bowtie dod1, thanks for that
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13:50 bowtie dod1, by "encoding can be specified at load time" do you mean 1,  identified or 2, converted to on editor load
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14:15 dod1 bowtie: the user must correctly identify the encoding, then I can only guess that the file is converted to whatever format gaupol uses internally (which does not really matter provided the same encoding is used to save the file back on disk)
14:15 bowtie dod1, ok, thanks for that
14:15 dod1 you're welcome
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16:48 rhalina Hey together - is there a possibility to set a fixed textwith (like tw in vi) in padre? I looked through the advanced config options, but didn't find something.. maybe I just overlooked it
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17:08 bowtie rhalina, hi
17:10 bowtie Tools -> Prefs. -> Editor Fonts
17:13 rhalina bowtie: that shows me a right side mark, but doesn't break at e.g. 80 characters
17:14 bowtie rhalina, what version of Padre are you using?
17:15 rhalina 0.96 debian (testing)
17:15 stkowski How many days without Trac now?
17:16 bowtie stkowski, my brain hurts :)
17:17 bowtie rhalina, do you mean wordwrap?
17:17 stkowski Me too
17:17 stkowski I supposedly have a commit bit now though. All I need to do is find 5 minutes of time to use it
17:18 rhalina bowtie: japp (at least I think so - what I want to have is a source file with has max. 80 chars/line)
17:19 rhalina bowtie: sorry ;) just trying padre instead of my vim (which I configured years ago and never touched again)
17:19 bowtie stkowski, it's been down since 14/05/12 ( dd/mm/yy) is that 7 or 8 weeks or do we now count in mounts
17:19 stkowski Should I just set up a new trac for us to use in the interim?
17:20 stkowski Or is that a bad idea?
17:20 bowtie rhalina, I don't know if Padre dose wordwrap
17:21 rhalina oh (I thought that a basic editor feature) - well I think I'll manage - thank you :)
17:21 bowtie stkowski, could you not host the current on a redirect, even if the svn link was not valid
17:22 stkowski View - Word-wrap
17:22 bowtie rhalina, sorry, I just don't no
17:22 stkowski I believe that limits to the right margin setting
17:22 rhalina stkowski: I'll try
17:22 stkowski Which van be viewed with view -> right margin
17:22 stkowski No wait..that is an appearence
17:22 bowtie stkowski, thanks for that :)
17:22 stkowski You want it to automatically hard-wrap?
17:23 rhalina stkowski: japp
17:24 stkowski Off the top of my head, I don't know if that is an implemented feature.
17:25 stkowski However, running Perl Tidy via the plugin will automaticall wrap at 80 chars
17:25 rhalina as I said - I'll manage
17:25 stkowski And it will be context aware for perl quoting, etc.
17:25 rhalina another one: is there a possibility to give commandline arguments to my perl script via the "run" button?
17:25 stkowski So if you have a lot of code to fit.. there's your answer
17:26 bowtie Tools -> Prefs. -> Perl 5
17:26 stkowski As in "switches to the perl executable" or "parameters to my program"
17:27 rhalina can I set this per file or just global? (sorry I didn't manage to find documentation on the padre webside - link seems to point to an unavailable service)
17:27 stkowski hehe. Funny that.
17:28 bowtie the arguments are global unlike eclipse
17:28 rhalina I don't know eclipse ;) But thank you - I'll play around a bit
17:30 stkowski bowtie: Do you know if we have a cached copy of the pages in any form? I could post those somewhere.
17:31 bowtie stkowski, that is why I asked if we could get a copy to run locally in padre dev list on 29/05/12
17:36 * stkowski 's weak american brain implodes for a moment with a date parse error.
17:36 stkowski Should I ask again as a reminder?
17:36 stkowski Or do you think the logs here get read?
17:37 bowtie stkowski, I am a person who remembers were to look for some info rather than the info it's self, bit like register indirect, boy do I miss trac
17:37 bowtie dd/mm/yy
17:37 stkowski As it should be. :)
17:37 stkowski Habit is hard to break
17:37 stkowski I'm with you
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17:37 stkowski Memory is precious -- store pointers to info
17:38 bowtie that was Albert's way
17:39 bowtie actualy dates would make more sense if we all did yy-mm-dd bit more like decimal or number systems
17:40 stkowski I usually use yy-mm-dd on file names so they auto-sort
17:41 bowtie :)
17:42 stkowski Just a little OCD... though I prefer calling it CDO, putting the letters in the right order, AS THEY SHOULD BE
17:43 bowtie lol
17:50 stkowski Man. I need to get out of this gig and back to something with more perl dev
18:04 mike Has anyone else noticed that padre doesn't always appear in the window switcher in unity? I have noticed this a few times on my machine at work, which I just upgraded to ubuntu 12.04
18:07 mike I also still have issues with the clipboard. If I copy some text, then make an edit (say, creating space in which to paste the clipboard contents), then try to paste, the clipboard appears to be empty.
18:08 mike Lastly, I notice that pasting into the find bar that appears at the bottom of the editing window doesn't work properly. Instead, the text is pasted into the document, at the last position the cursor was located.
18:08 mike And this concludes my bug reports for today :)
18:13 stkowski I've seen the last on OSX
18:13 stkowski That started happening to me when I upgraded to the newer wx widgets. I have to click into the find box after it opens
18:23 bowtie mike, hi there is a ticket on this subject in trac
18:24 mike which one?
18:26 bowtie I don't remember it's number, I just remember there is an open ticket or there was in trac
18:36 mike bowtie: I meant which subject? I mentioned three bugs.
18:43 bowtie mike, sorry, unity switcher, copy n paste are there
18:44 mike okay, great
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