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IRC log for #padre, 2012-09-04

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04:15 user_9841 Hello
04:15 botbot Welcome user_9841
04:15 user_9841 is anyone here
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04:19 user_9841 is this chat room even live???
04:19 sewi yes
04:19 user_9841 oh..
04:19 sewi Good morning user_9841
04:19 user_9841 I need help installing Perl on my Macbook
04:20 user_9841 i download it but when i click on it, it won't let me run
04:20 user_9841 can you help me?
04:20 sewi Sorry, I'm no Mac user. There is an ongoing discussion about this on the mailing list.
04:21 user_9841 thanks
04:21 sewi You should subscribe and look/ask there.
04:21 sewi Sorry
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08:26 bowtie gm
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08:57 El_Che good morning
08:57 El_Che let's get the latest padre built
08:58 bowtie El_Che, hi
09:01 * azawawi drums...
09:01 bowtie he he
09:01 azawawi hi everyone
09:01 bowtie azawawi, hi
09:02 bowtie El_Che, are you going to bang your drum over the translators heads :)
09:03 bowtie azawawi, see #1400, is it a viable solution?
09:03 El_Che are we closing to a release?
09:03 azawawi bowtie: like plz
09:03 azawawi bowtie: s/like/link/
09:03 azawawi bowtie: lol
09:03 * azawawi booting
09:04 bowtie azawawi, sorry, yes please would you look at -> http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/1400
09:04 El_Che we have failing tests for the config.t it seems
09:05 bowtie El_Che, Padre 0.98 is supposed to be a translation special re Adam
09:05 azawawi El_Che: why is it do i have to lead on everything even though i dont want to :)
09:05 azawawi El_Che: e.g. even in games, i have to charge in first
09:05 El_Che azawawi: welcome alpha coder
09:06 azawawi El_Che: or tank
09:06 azawawi El_Che: or heal
09:06 azawawi El_Che: damn :)
09:06 El_Che bowtie: so I send a mailing list to call for translations?
09:06 bowtie El_Che, yes please, if that is the normal procedure
09:07 El_Che Let to this right away (have a meeting in 20 min):
09:07 bowtie the last block of translation work was by evil
09:08 bowtie ok
09:08 shadowpaste "azawawi" at 217.168.150.38 pasted "Debug::Client 0.21 required" (10 lines) at http://paste.scsys.co.uk/207065
09:09 azawawi El_Che: even when i play, i have to lead... :)
09:09 bowtie azawawi, it's called 0.21_08, I was doing final testing, against trunk, before releasing as 0.22
09:10 azawawi cpanm http://cpan.metacpan.org/authors/id/B/​BO/BOWTIE/Debug-Client-0.21_08.tar.gz
09:10 El_Che subj: Call for translators; msg: "For the next version of Padre to be released, we would like to get the translations up to date. There isn't much brakage on Padre core, so translation should stay stable"
09:10 bowtie azawawi, yes
09:11 El_Che something like that?
09:11 El_Che more specifics?
09:11 bowtie El_Che, it's up to you
09:11 El_Che I have been rather disconnected, so help me with the facts/contents :)
09:12 azawawi El_Che:  have u tried farabi yet or not? :)
09:13 bowtie El_Che, let me do some search for past info, and I will get back to you later ok
09:13 El_Che bowtie: thx
09:13 El_Che azawawi: looking at the failing tests in core
09:14 azawawi http://pastie.org/4661064
09:14 azawawi bowtie: take a look at http://pastie.org/4661064 ... Debug::Client fails because of IO::Socket::IP 0.17 on win32
09:16 azawawi even though i read at #p5p that IO::Socket::IP was going into core in the end
09:16 azawawi that sucks... :)
09:17 azawawi bowtie: reduce IO::Socket:IP requirement to 0.16? Where and in what are we using it btw?
09:17 bowtie azawawi, can you send a cpan install of this to IO::Socket::IP RT,
09:17 * azawawi sending...
09:18 bowtie I have talked to Paul about IO::Socket::IP, and got him to fix failing tests in 0.16, I waited for 0.17 and p5p stuff before switching, Debug over to 0.21_08
09:19 bowtie I can always roll back to using D-C 0.20, and leave 0.21_08 to future
09:20 azawawi are u depending on anything in 0.17?
09:22 bowtie no, just it's current, if you have 0.12 install it will work, but 0.12 is in cpan backlog now, so new users will really F*** up
09:22 El_Che ok
09:23 El_Che test fails at make test
09:23 azawawi bowtie: reported it as https://rt.cpan.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=79393
09:23 El_Che but runs fins with prove
09:23 El_Che stange
09:25 azawawi bowtie: cpanm --force IO::Socket::IP  # for now
09:25 bowtie this is a typical issue, where the lack of CPAN-Reporter is not helping,
09:25 bowtie azawawi, yes that works for me
09:26 azawawi bowtie: svn, version 1.6.17 (r1128011) in ubuntu ... im using 1.7.9 in win32 :)
09:26 botbot Changeset #1128011 http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/1128011
09:28 azawawi ok let us recap what's wrong at #padre atm
09:28 El_Che ok
09:28 azawawi why is Hyppolit down?
09:28 bowtie ok
09:28 El_Che failing test 97 is du to D::C
09:28 El_Che it expects 0.21 but 0.20 is decalred in the requirements
09:29 El_Che shall I pump those?
09:29 azawawi true
09:29 bowtie please do
09:29 El_Che the other way around
09:29 El_Che one line fix
09:29 azawawi we need svn commits in #padre
09:30 bowtie yes yes yes
09:30 bowtie It's like being blind
09:30 azawawi please tell why botbot doesnt have that... any problem implementing that ?
09:31 bowtie azawawi, you have to have a direct connection to trac db
09:31 El_Che azawawi: cpan tells me the latest Debug::client is 0.20
09:31 El_Che do I need to wait for the sync?
09:32 azawawi my machine is churning atm... :)
09:32 bowtie azawawi, try this -> http://padre.perlide.org/trac​/wiki/Features/Perl5Debugger
09:34 azawawi bowtie: big problem
09:34 bowtie Debug::Client is 0.20 and 0.21_08 are different api wise re connecting, 0.20 uses 2 commands , where 0.12_08 dose it in one
09:34 azawawi bowtie: Debug::Client (dev) is casuing 100% cpu usage after forcing IO::Socket::IP
09:35 azawawi bowtie: stuck at t/06-initialize.t .... 3/4
09:35 bowtie azawawi, I can switch Padre trunk back to 0.20 with mods to Debugger,
09:36 azawawi El_Che: you know what... we need a new release process like p5p
09:36 azawawi El_Che: we need to release on the 20th
09:36 El_Che ok, I just changed to test to 0.21
09:36 azawawi El_Che: dev version
09:36 El_Che reset the test to 20?
09:37 bowtie with 3 sub digits for version number please
09:38 azawawi bowtie: going back to IO::Socket::IP 0.16
09:39 bowtie To conclude, Debug::Client works fine with IO::Socket::IP 0.17 on ubuntu, but win32 and IO::Socket::IP 0.17 are unhappy
09:40 azawawi not unhappy 50%  50% (two rogue perl processes) ... :)
09:40 azawawi that dont even die when i kill it with Ctrl-C
09:40 bowtie try kill -9 xxx    :)
09:41 azawawi kill minus what? on win32? :)
09:42 bowtie I know, but there is a kill app
09:42 azawawi again does trunk padre really require (dev) Debug::Client 0.21?
09:43 * azawawi reads the Changes of Debug::Client
09:43 bowtie yes. api changes between 0.20 and 0.21_08 (or 0.22 as it will be)
09:43 azawawi https://metacpan.org/source/BOWTI​E/Debug-Client-0.21_08/Changes#L3
09:44 azawawi but the end do we really need IO::Socket::IP atm?
09:44 azawawi i know it is the newest kid on the network block to replace ::INET
09:45 bowtie azawawi, this is the issue -> move listener to _init, hence now redundant
09:45 * azawawi takes a look at Debug::Client svn log
09:45 bowtie As I said earler I can roll Padre Debugger back to support D-C 0.20
09:46 azawawi if we want to release soon, then yes plz :)
09:46 bowtie and we will wait for Debug::Client with  IO::Socket::IP to sort it's self out
09:47 * azawawi says, "the sounds of Padre's release drums are heard in the distance"
09:48 bowtie Ok I will do so later to day, and inform here,
09:49 azawawi bowtie: what's dod++'s name btw?
09:49 azawawi bowtie: im reviewing the Padre Changes log
09:51 azawawi bowtie: Comment out unsupported m::s licences   ?  what's m::s ?
09:56 azawawi bowtie: okay we need to change a thing in our Padre Changes file structure
09:57 azawawi to be like https://metacpan.org/sourc​e/DOY/Moose-2.0603/Changes
09:58 azawawi mainly ** BUG FIXES **, ** ENHANCEMENTS**, **OTHERS** and **FEATURES**
09:58 bowtie azawawi, ok, unsupported m::s, see Padre::Config at bottom , also Padre::Wx::ModuleStarter
09:59 azawawi ok what about http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/19381 ?
09:59 azawawi 0.20 or 0.21?
10:00 bowtie azawawi, are you saying you want to go down the lines of Changes + Changes.log
10:01 azawawi no just Changes for 0.97
10:02 azawawi to basically organize them into sections
10:02 azawawi so the reader understands where this is a bugfix-heavy release or feature-heavy release
10:03 azawawi take a look also at https://metacpan.org/source/​SRI/Mojolicious-3.36/Changes
10:03 azawawi it is simple...
10:03 azawawi we're writing too much into Padre Changes :)
10:03 bowtie ok, I added ticket info as I was plodding around so it could checked
10:04 azawawi vs https://metacpan.org/source​/PLAVEN/Padre-0.96/Changes
10:04 azawawi wow a lot of information but hardly useful
10:08 bowtie ok, I need to brake now, will do roll back later, regards
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10:14 * azawawi prepares Wx::Scintilla 0.39
10:28 azawawi cpanm http://cpan.metacpan.org/authors/id/A​/AZ/AZAWAWI/Wx-Scintilla-0.39.tar.gz # contains various Windows, Linux and OSX fixes, MarkD++
11:17 * azawawi prepares Wx::Scintilla 0.40_01 (i.e.Scintilla 3.2.2)
11:21 azawawi http://padre.perlide.org/changeset/19386
11:46 azawawi dod: ping
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12:00 azawawi http://cpan.metacpan.org/authors/id/A/​AZ/AZAWAWI/Wx-Scintilla-0.40_02.tar.gz  # Scintilla 3.2.2 ... Please test
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13:29 bowtie El_Che, hi
13:30 shadowpaste "bowtie" at 217.168.150.38 pasted "http://irclog.perlgeek.de/padr" (45 lines) at http://paste.scsys.co.uk/207069
13:30 bowtie El_Che, I hope the nopast helps
13:31 bowtie s/nopast/nopaste/
13:54 dod looks like I'm too late to pong azawawi ...
14:03 bowtie dod, hi
14:45 bowtie make Debugger support Debug::Client 0.20 or 0.21_xx while we wait for IO::Socket::IP to work on win32
14:46 bowtie svn 19395
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16:08 nferraz hey guys
16:09 bowtie nferraz, hi
16:09 nferraz new improvements in the site2: http://padre.perlide.org/site2/index.html
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16:11 bowtie nferraz, good, lets have a look :0
16:11 bowtie nferraz, download, windows wrong icon, what about active perl
16:12 bowtie nferraz, download, mac looks ok except mac icon
16:13 bowtie nferraz, download linux, icon, plus needs links to trac wiki pages for each, just like you did for mac
16:14 bowtie nferraz, what exact other pages do we need to look at
16:14 nferraz you can start with Features
16:15 bowtie nferraz, did you pick up messages
16:15 nferraz which messages?
16:16 bowtie you should have a private channel open with botbot, look in side
16:16 nferraz hm... I'm using that web-based irc client...
16:17 nferraz ah, yes.. now I see it
16:18 bowtie nferraz, type the single word 'help' in this channel no ''
16:18 nferraz help
16:18 nferraz ?
16:19 nferraz well... I saw your message
16:19 nferraz about the activestate links... if you go to the current site (site1), you'll see that the links are broken
16:19 bowtie nferraz, now you know how to send messages, read help
16:23 bowtie nferraz, that my be so, but we like markd here, see padre-dev list, so we need to add activestate to windows page, I am sure you are capable of finding links :)
16:29 bowtie nferraz, features, ok of the items are core, some are referred to as features because the user can enable and disable them, then some are provide by plugins
16:31 bowtie nferraz, as for user selectable features, look in Padre -> Tools -> Prefs -> Features, which you will notice have the quait name of bloat reduction
16:32 bowtie nferraz, how you balance this info between what Padre considers a feature, and marketing is all yours
16:35 bowtie nferraz, as to which are provide by a Plugin see -> http://padre.perlide.org/trac/wiki/Plugins
16:40 bowtie nferraz, doc, how to How to create project skeleton with Module::Starter? -> http://padre.perlide.org/trac/wiki/​Features/ProjectSkeletonGeneration
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17:08 bowtie botbot: tell nferraz http://code.activestate.com/ppm/Padre/
17:08 botbot bowtie, I'll tell that nferraz when we see each other.
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19:01 bowtie botbot: tell nferraz mac has an icon now ;)
19:01 botbot bowtie, I'll tell that nferraz when we see each other.
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19:39 mj41 hi, I have another problem with "Reload Files" dialog ... sometimes it loose focus (or something) and I can't use mouse, only keyboard and then mouse cursor is still useless ... e.g. can't click in editor window to move cursor to another position
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19:52 botbot Welcome mib_zjznpl
19:53 mib_zjznpl hi! I was trying to use Padre debugger, but it crashes... is it a known problem, or perhaps my configuration is broken?
19:53 bowtie mj41, hi
19:54 bowtie mib_zjznpl, what version of Padre are using
19:57 mib_zjznpl 0.90
19:57 mib_zjznpl (I installed using apt-get)
19:57 shadowpaste "bowtie" at 217.168.150.38 pasted "Padre 0.97 Core... osname linu" (22 lines) at http://paste.scsys.co.uk/207103
19:58 bowtie mj41, I just did it again with above configuration.
19:58 bowtie mib_zjznpl, ok
19:58 bowtie mib_zjznpl, you need to be using Padre 0.96
19:59 mib_zjznpl ok... I'll try to update it using cpan...
19:59 bowtie mib_zjznpl, hold on I will get you a link
19:59 bowtie mib_zjznpl, you can try http://packages.debian.org/sid/padre
20:00 mib_zjznpl ok! thanks!!!
20:00 bowtie or use a local perl, using perlbrew and then fill it with what you want using cpanm
20:01 mib_zjznpl thanks!
20:01 bowtie mib_zjznpl, this should help http://padre.perlide.org/trac/wiki/Download
20:01 bowtie ArgHHHHHHHH
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20:12 mj41 bowtie: replicated ... problem is when dialog occur while you are selecting text
20:13 bowtie ok,
20:14 bowtie I will create some more files and try to copy, was selected text in one of the deleted files, or another, before external delete
20:15 mj41 in changed file
20:16 mj41 it is not "deleted file" related
20:16 bowtie O, in external changed file. ok, this was of how many open files in Padre
20:19 mj41 maybe we need simple way to attach video to bug reports :-)
20:23 bowtie mj41, just, done test, and it's ok
20:31 mj41 bowtie: can replicate "can't click inside dialog", but not cursor freeze after dialog disappear
20:32 bowtie mj41, just created a new pm for testing with 2 pm's, highlighted the version, then change version, and I get change dialog, the Ctrl+mouse click second file and then click reload an d all is ok here
20:33 bowtie silly Q, are these files in an perl module of yours, do they have a Makefile.PL in project root?
20:34 mj41 bowtie: you need to do selection (left mouse button+mouse move) during dialog appears
20:34 bowtie ok will try
20:34 mj41 I'm testing on one txt file
20:34 mj41 120kB
20:36 bowtie O test selection with mouse when dialog appears, yes
20:39 mj41 this is probably somehow related to second variation of this bug, that I can't replicate ... second variation = cursor stay in arrow form after dialog disappear and you can't normally continue work with padre
20:41 bowtie mj41, I can't replicate here, I will need to generate some large test files to hack externally and try again
20:42 bowtie mj41, we should ask others to join in, as well
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21:16 mj41 bowtie: probably another one ... echo a >> a.txt ; echo b >> b.txt .... open padre a.txt and b.txt ... select tab/editor with a.txt ... echo a >> a.txt ; echo b >> b.txt .... in reload dialog select only b.txt and reload ... echo a >> a.txt ; echo b >> b.txt .... no reload dialog .... click on tab b.txt ... dialog is showed
21:19 bowtie mj41, ok, will do
21:25 bowtie mj41, yes, I think I agree with you on that one (almost said a) :)
21:28 bowtie it's as though, we have a zombie external change, that screws up future external changes, like they have been chained in a list, do first then you can do next,
21:29 bowtie mj41++
21:29 bowtie nice catch
21:30 mj41 bowtie: select text by ctrl+c, use ctrl+b to move to bookmarked position, ctrl+v (text is lost) ... it is probably more general "dialog related" issue
21:31 mj41 e.g. ctlr+g
21:32 bowtie mj41, I do not use keyboard short cuts, just mouse here, so what do I expect crtl+g to do
21:33 mj41 Search -> Go to ... or e.g. Search -> Go to bookmark
21:33 bowtie ok
21:59 mj41 my preparation for adding "preserve order of tabs in session" done
21:59 mj41 time to sleep, night
22:00 bowtie mj41, night
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