Camelia, the Perl 6 bug

IRC log for #padre, 2012-09-05

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07:44 dod1 azawawi: late pong (ping was yesterday). you have a question ?
07:45 azawawi lol
07:45 azawawi i was pinging you in #mojo :)
07:45 azawawi i must be sleepy...
07:46 azawawi dod1: wx-scintilla 0.39 is here. plz test if you have any problems with it
07:46 * azawawi is learning Twitter Bootstrap atm
07:46 dod1 ok. Is padre 0.96 compatible with it ?
07:46 * dod1 is learning mojolicious and websocket atm
07:47 azawawi did you try Farabi?
07:47 dod1 what's that ?
07:47 azawawi it is my newest experiment in web-based Perl editing
07:47 azawawi https://metacpan.org/module/Farabi
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07:49 dod1 I thought you were working on pedro ... Isn't there some overlap between farabi and pedro ?
07:49 azawawi pedro -> farabi :)
07:49 dod1 ok, is it a fork or a rename ?
07:49 azawawi wanted an Arabic name for it
07:50 dod1 :-), what does farabi mean ?
07:50 azawawi pedro is dead, long live farabi :)
07:50 azawawi http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Farabi
07:50 azawawi will add that info soon, documentation is not there...
07:51 dod1 that very cool :-)
07:52 azawawi it is like a playground to play with UI, collaboration and perl technologies...
07:52 azawawi e.g. Perl::Critic violations are now reported in detail and are linkable to metacpan...
07:52 azawawi F1 search index is using X<> in perldocs...
07:53 azawawi although im having trouble to determine where is the pod folder for perldocs...
07:53 azawawi in win32, it is pods/
07:53 azawawi in linux, it seems pod/
07:53 azawawi why is that?
07:55 dod1 I think this is set up by ExtUtils::Makemaker or Module::Build (at least in Debian)
07:55 azawawi search index is built using Pod::Index::Builder atm
07:56 azawawi so far 2 problems... perl documentation pod location and weird pod2html handling with pod fragments
07:57 dod1 yeah, that remonds me that perlindex is not always working correctly in Debian
07:57 azawawi really?
07:57 dod1 s/remonds/reminds/
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07:59 dod1 let me re-install perlindex on this machine
08:01 * azawawi installs perlindex on win32
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08:02 azawawi http://pastie.org/pastes/4666888/text
08:02 azawawi failed...
08:02 dod1 forget what I said. perlindex is working fine now
08:02 dod1 on Debian/sid
08:03 azawawi anyways i should add stopwords... maybe... https://metacpan.org/source/ULPFR/​perlindex-1.605/perlindex.PL#L680
08:04 azawawi q{when} is a stopword lol...
08:04 azawawi perlindex is ancient
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08:41 botbot Welcome bowtie
08:42 bowtie gm
08:42 bowtie Adam_, thank you
08:42 Adam_ hi
08:43 botbot Welcome Alias
08:43 bowtie Alias, hi
08:44 azawawi is that a yellow-colored Welcome?
08:44 bowtie Alias,  what do we use $config->locale_perldiag  for
08:44 azawawi my advice is not to use colors in bots
08:44 bowtie yes, all /nick and mib_xx or user_xx get a hello
08:44 azawawi used it before in #perl6 and it was a disaster...
08:47 bowtie azawawi, treat it as an indicator that a newbe has joined or a /nick change
08:47 bowtie that's why I gave it a colour
08:47 azawawi Yeah but yellow is bad... :)
08:48 azawawi i hardly can see it here
08:48 dod1 yellow on white background is unreadable
08:48 azawawi blue is good
08:48 azawawi green is good
08:48 bowtie what is this bike shed I walked into
08:50 bowtie will you both please type help and view colour use there , also /nick to mib_nick and see colour use there, then we can formulate a plan, as baldrick would say
08:52 botbot Welcome mib_nick
08:53 botbot Welcome dod1
08:53 bowtie mib_nick I tried to imply dod1 -> mib_dod1 -> dod1
08:53 azawawi cyan is bad also
08:53 azawawi the fact that colors are a problem
08:53 dod1 Well, it's better than yellow
08:54 bowtie azawawi, you have to do the same
08:54 azawawi is that you dont know what theme is the irc is using
08:54 azawawi i.e the background
08:54 bowtie correct
08:54 azawawi my advice
08:54 azawawi is *bold* it...
08:55 bowtie so option 1, yellow -> Bold
08:55 bowtie and option 2, cyan -> ?
08:57 bowtie azawawi, dod 1 and cyan is cyan
08:57 azawawi i like bootstrap...
08:57 azawawi layout is way too easy
08:59 bowtie azawawi, I tweaked the mac download padge in padre2, I think bootstroot prometed the h2 to h1 thake a look
08:59 Alias locale_perldiag was added in like commit 2750-3000 somewhere
09:00 azawawi Alias: hi!
09:01 bowtie Alias, I did a search, it appears to only be used by prefs dialog
09:01 dod1 Taking into account that possibility that some users may be daltonian, playing with color is not a good idea. I'd think changing from yellow to black italic (or bold) would be better.
09:02 bowtie ok, we have one vote for bold and one for italic
09:03 azawawi Alias: how is the new job?
09:03 Alias Changing the world on a montly basis
09:04 Alias bowtie: I can track it back to 2853
09:05 Alias Updating my checkout to that version now to see if it's used elsewhere
09:05 Alias I didn't add it
09:06 bowtie Alias, it was only when giving it a default value, that I asked myself what is it being used for,
09:06 Alias It was used in Padre::Wx::ErrorList
09:06 bowtie Alias, is that before the Padre::Local
09:07 Alias No
09:07 Alias It looks like it was used to allow parsing of display of non-english error messages spat out by Perl or the debugger or something
09:08 Alias The value was fed into Padre::Task::ErrorParser
09:09 Alias If you update a checkout to 2853 and find in files you can see it in use
09:09 dod1 bowtie: italic or bold as you wish (I don't mind either)
09:10 bowtie Alias, I will do so later today, so do we still need it, or is this what you would call bloat
09:15 Alias Padre doesn't have either Task::ErrorParser or the dialog any omre
09:15 Alias So I'd say it's superfluous and should have been removed long ago
09:15 Alias Feel free to strip it from config and preferences dialog
09:17 bowtie Alias, thanks for that
09:24 bowtie Alias, how's your Madre testing coming along with stkowski
09:24 bowtie brb
09:24 Alias It's not, I told him to back off until Madre worked
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09:25 botbot Welcome bowtie
09:27 Alias Which I finally confirmed tonight btw
09:27 Alias Did my first upload/download of config
09:28 Alias Made different tools open and everything :)
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09:30 sewi Hi Adam
09:33 botbot Welcome Alias
09:33 Alias Hiya
09:33 Alias I'm playing a little more with Padre lately
09:33 Alias Mostly driven by my upcoming YAPC::Asia talk :)
09:34 Alias Wanted to get config sync and telemetry working
09:34 Alias Also noticing some bloat/trouble creeping in
09:35 bowtie that must be me, what have i done, now
09:35 Alias Like Debug::Client's dependency on Test::Class breaking Strawberry
09:35 Alias If it's possible to remove the Test::Class dependency that would be neatpo
09:35 Alias I think Debug::Client might be the only thing that uses it
09:36 Alias Test::Class has Windows problems
09:36 Alias And only one tiny piece of the dep stack uses it
09:36 Alias And it doesn't seem to use it for any particularly amazing reason
09:36 Alias I could be mistaken
09:37 Alias It's by no means Debug::Client's fault for using it, but when deps go rotten it's good if you can drop them
09:37 Alias Late here, heading to bed
09:38 Alias Will be playing with things more over the next few weeks
09:38 Alias I also want to start making the push to shipping Padre with Strawberry by default
09:38 Alias We need a big userbase injection
09:38 Alias Or, hell, some Mac maintainers
09:38 Alias night all
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10:26 botbot Hi I am botbot the #padre channel bot (v0.18), please op me
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10:28 botbot Welcome mib_bowtie
10:28 azawawi bowtie: hi
10:28 bowtie azawawi, is that any better
10:29 bowtie all Welcome now BOLD
10:29 botbot Welcome mib_bowtie
10:30 botbot Welcome bowtie
10:30 azawawi yup
10:30 azawawi svn up farabi :)
10:30 sewi Time to get Hyppolit back :)
10:31 bowtie sewi, yes please
10:32 bowtie is there any thing else that needs to be changed with bot, code as I  have just put up test server, to do the BOLD
10:33 azawawi http://feather.perl6.nl:4000/  # Farabi... :)
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10:35 azawawi any feedback?
10:37 bowtie azawawi, ok just got f-34
10:38 bowtie what do you want me to test
10:38 azawawi the new UI? :)
10:38 sewi azawawi: Great tool!
10:38 bowtie O, the ctrl+1 stuff
10:39 azawawi bye bye... :)
10:39 azawawi told ya i dont want people to memorize things
10:39 sewi Paul Johnson and I have been talking about this on YAPC, maybe you should tell him
10:40 sewi azawawi: Is it already public? (=may I blog about it?)
10:40 azawawi blog about it but i dont have it online...
10:41 sewi I'll wait.
10:41 bowtie azawawi, F1 ?
10:41 azawawi that link is on a perl6 dev server
10:41 sewi Makes no sense to blog about it until people could try it out
10:41 azawawi yeah i need to debug it...
10:41 bowtie azawawi, I miss the menu
10:41 azawawi cpanm Farabi
10:42 bowtie azawawi, ctrl+ 1..n whats n
10:43 azawawi again im experimenting with the UI
10:43 azawawi that's why i went web :)
10:46 bowtie azawawi, ok, but all I get is an editor window, with perl text in it, how about a footer with commands to test in it then,
10:47 bowtie dod, dod1 ping
10:48 azawawi bowtie: screenshot plz?
10:49 bowtie azawawi, I am confused, I am testing f-34 and it looks nothing like http://feather.perl6.nl:4000/ which is great
10:49 azawawi how r u testing it?
10:50 azawawi ctrl-5  # force refresh...
10:50 azawawi svn up
10:50 azawawi morbo script/farabi  # realtime editing... :)
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10:59 bowtie azawawi, where can I paste this image for you
11:00 azawawi email? :)
11:01 bowtie azawawi, ok, i see now, we are not using farabi deamon any more, now morbo script/farabi works , sorry silly me
11:02 azawawi farabi demon calls installed farabi... :)
11:02 azawawi morbo script/farabi # for svn...
11:02 azawawi if you change anything morbo reflects it right away...
11:03 bowtie no, changes, just viewing and critiques
11:11 bowtie azawawi, ok now running f-37
11:53 dod1 bowtie: yes ?
11:54 bowtie dod1, any other bot changes, required, as Welcome is now BOLD for all
11:55 dod1 bowtie: nothing comes to mind. The bot is working fine. Thanks a bunch
11:56 bowtie dod1, cool
12:04 bowtie azawawi, with f-44 when you increase the size of critic dialog, taext widow stays the same size
12:04 bowtie s/taext/text/
12:35 azawawi http://feather.perl6.nl:4000/     # enjoy :)
12:37 azawawi no to fix help...
12:37 azawawi on linux that is
12:37 azawawi s/no/now
12:40 El_Che azawawi: impressive
12:40 bowtie azawawi, cool
12:41 bowtie got to go, later
12:42 El_Che azawawi: http://tryruby.org/levels/1/challenges/0
12:42 El_Che things like that could be possible
12:42 El_Che but cooler :)
12:42 bowtie \AWAY
12:42 bowtie \help
12:43 El_Che s@\@/@
12:45 azawawi i need some help here...
12:45 azawawi how do i determine the POD location reliably...
12:46 azawawi using Config module...
12:46 azawawi # on linux: /home/azawawi/perl5/perlbrew/pe​rls/perl-5.16.1/lib/5.16.1/pod
12:46 El_Che doesn't module::install have that info at install time?
12:47 azawawi # on win32: C:\perl5161\perl\lib\pods
12:47 azawawi El_Che: i need it at runtime
12:47 azawawi El_Che: to trigger a first-time parse to X<> tag indexing
12:48 El_Che if it's core, you can do it at install time
12:55 azawawi ugly lol https://metacpan.org/source/MALLEN/Pod​-Perldoc-3.17/lib/Pod/Perldoc.pm#L1780
12:59 El_Che it mus be a configure time value
13:00 El_Che just circle @INC with a "pod" dir attached
13:05 azawawi i found it :)
13:08 El_Che what I said or something a lot smarter?
13:09 azawawi what you said
13:10 El_Che :)
13:21 azawawi another reason why svn sucks... lol
13:21 azawawi i cannot commit to my repo at the moment
13:21 azawawi google code outage... it seems
13:27 azawawi if had been using github... i would commit and commit...
13:27 azawawi and then upload my stuff when it is back...
13:27 azawawi damn... :)
13:29 azawawi El_Che: i fixed that one... and was like going to commit my changes...
13:29 azawawi El_Che: oh well
13:54 El_Che hi
13:54 El_Che let me scroll back
14:01 azawawi hmmm
14:01 azawawi Should a POD fragment only contain =directives or can it contain only a text paragraph
14:05 azawawi http://pastie.org/pastes/4668309/text   # basically i get an empty HTML
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14:51 bowtie azawawi, go on have another go, and push to google code, or are you going to use your github account instead
15:01 sewi botbot: seen azawawi
15:10 bowtie sewi, botbot dose not under stand seen, what do you want it to do
15:11 sewi Talk to azawawi :)
15:13 bowtie sewi, sorry for being stupid, but what dose 'seen' mean from an #irc point of view
15:13 sewi Typical eggdrops used to tell when the person was last seen on a channel
15:15 bowtie sewi is that like a '/whois'
15:15 sewi Oh, he's online :) Sorry, I didn't see him earlier
15:17 bowtie sewi, how about '/ping azawawi'
15:27 sewi I found the new editor version on google code, no need to disturb him any longer :)
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15:35 bowtie sewi, if you had asked, i would have given you the link to t-46
15:35 sewi sorry :)
15:36 bowtie sewi, I like the critic output, I think we should consider using it in pp-perlcritic
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16:02 azawawi_1 hi
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16:12 bowtie azawawi_1, hi
16:15 azawawi_1 bowtie: hi
16:15 azawawi_1 just committed it...
16:15 bowtie azawawi, t-48 go it
16:16 bowtie azawawi, now t-50
16:18 bowtie azawawi_1, nice critic
16:18 azawawi_1 F1 should work btw
16:19 azawawi_1 first time it will create an index.txt
16:19 bowtie azawawi_1, F1 on foreach gives no help
16:21 bowtie azawawi_1, also added use File::Which; and tried on 'File::Which'
16:22 azawawi_1 it wont give you anything on installed modules
16:22 azawawi_1 since it is indexing X<> atm
16:24 bowtie azawawi_1, what word do you suggest I highlight in sample text, before I press F1
16:25 azawawi_1 my
16:25 bowtie ok
16:25 azawawi_1 foreach
16:25 azawawi_1 use
16:25 azawawi_1 any function...
16:26 bowtie no help found for 'my'
16:27 azawawi_1 check index.txt ?
16:27 azawawi_1 zero?
16:28 bowtie azawawi_1, just up to t-51, same result, will go check index.txt for you now
16:28 bowtie index.tst in trunk is = 0 bytes
16:29 azawawi_1 delete it and try again
16:29 azawawi_1 otherwise my code doesnt try hard enough...
16:29 azawawi_1 to find pod pods directory
16:29 azawawi_1 which perl are using?
16:30 azawawi_1 find . -name pod ?
16:30 bowtie perl 5.16.1
16:33 bowtie azawawi_1, cool, is the search box supposed to work in F1 display, I tried ( our, // )
16:35 azawawi_1 yeah in the future :)
16:35 bowtie ok
16:35 bowtie tick tock
16:35 bowtie how about now :)
16:36 azawawi_1 autocompletion in my mind...
16:36 azawawi_1 :)
16:36 bowtie azawawi_1, it's nice and pretty
16:36 azawawi_1 since i have the index, i can match now
16:36 azawawi_1 in the search box
16:36 azawawi_1 bowtie: and simple :)
16:37 bowtie yes, you can, simple like me that's good :)
16:37 azawawi_1 i need to release 0.04
16:37 azawawi_1 to showcase what i have currently
16:38 bowtie I think you should get the search box working first
16:39 bowtie azawawi_1, are you going to move code to GitHub?
16:41 sewi bowtie: Why?
16:41 sewi What's bad with google code?
16:42 bowtie sewi, due to the issues he was having this afternoon with access to google code being off line
16:42 sewi Google is never offline. You're offline if you can't reach Google :-)
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16:43 bowtie stkowski, hi
16:43 bowtie stkowski, Adam says he has fixed Madre + Padre, can we test against your server please
16:45 stkowski Good! Hopefully I can have time to day to work and set
16:47 azawawi_1 sewi: it was lol
16:47 azawawi_1 sewi: http://code.google.com/p/sup​port/issues/detail?id=28556
16:51 azawawi_1 cpanm http://cpan.metacpan.org/authors/i​d/A/AZ/AZAWAWI/Farabi-0.04.tar.gz
16:51 azawawi_1 https://metacpan.org/source/​AZAWAWI/Farabi-0.04/Changes
16:58 azawawi_1 sewi: blog away... :)
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22:14 azawawi_1 hi
22:14 bowtie ho
22:14 El_Che hey azawawi_1 2.0
22:14 El_Che i am impressed
22:15 azawawi_1 autocompletion online... on X<> # have fun...
22:15 azawawi_1 but it is not getting the results though...
22:16 azawawi_1 it is autocompleting through the index though :)
22:26 * azawawi_1 says 'Farabi support X<> F1 autocompletion... Enjoy :)'
22:26 azawawi_1 i never thought this amount of information is stored in perldoc...
22:26 azawawi_1 heck Farabi is now better than perldoc :)
22:34 bowtie azawawi_1, you mead all options id F1 search option
22:35 bowtie id in
22:39 El_Che the url is down
22:40 azawawi_1 let me start it then...
22:40 bowtie El_Che, how about http://code.google.com/p/farabi/source/list
22:40 El_Che I mean the live demo thing
22:41 El_Che I don't have a local mojo install on this computer
22:42 azawawi_1 http://feather.perl6.nl:4040/
22:50 bowtie azawawi_1, this is so much fun, are you thinking of porting this in to Padre to replace the current context help
22:53 El_Che going to bed, 1am
22:53 El_Che bye
22:53 bowtie night
22:56 * azawawi_1 0.05 releasing...
22:56 azawawi_1 and then night :)
22:56 bowtie snap
22:57 azawawi_1 snap... you have an error... would you like to see it? :)
22:57 azawawi_1 ... Farabi... :)
23:03 azawawi_1 http://farabi.app2.jjang.info/   # Farabi is gaining its first user... :)
23:03 azawawi_1 q{Yuni Kim}++
23:04 azawawi_1 cpanm http://cpan.metacpan.org/authors/i​d/A/AZ/AZAWAWI/Farabi-0.05.tar.gz
23:09 azawawi_1 night
23:09 azawawi_1 thanks for all the fish... :)
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