Camelia, the Perl 6 bug

IRC log for #padre, 2013-01-08

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01:13 bowtie itnomad, hi, check your font in Tools->Prefs
02:13 itnomad bowtie: Thanks. I changed the font and now underscores are as expected.
02:14 itnomad Now if I could stop inserting j's every where. Stupid vi...
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14:18 botbot Hi I am botbot the #padre channel bot (v0.18), please op me
14:19 rindolf Hi all.
14:24 bowtie hi rindolf
14:25 rindolf bowtie: hi.
14:25 rindolf We are getting opless.
14:25 * rindolf hates the whole op scheme of MAGnet.
14:25 rindolf I much prefer the ChanServ / NickServ scheme.
14:25 rindolf And MemoServ is also useful.
14:26 bowtie rindolf, if we ask El_Che aka botbotbot he will assist
14:26 rindolf bowtie: yes.
14:26 bowtie rindolf, to use ChanServ / NickServ don't you need to be on inside
14:27 bowtie as in be an IRC op
14:27 rindolf bowtie: no.
14:27 rindolf bowtie: everyone can register their nickname.
14:28 rindolf bowtie: and everyone who registered a nickname can register a new channel.
14:28 rindolf bowtie: and channel owners can grant permissions to other people.
14:28 bowtie rindolf, ok, where do I have to go to register botbot for this , please
14:29 rindolf bowtie: many channels on Freenode usually don't have any people with +o .
14:29 rindolf bowtie: where?
14:29 rindolf bowtie: on irc.perl.org ?
14:29 rindolf bowtie: irc.perl.org does not have ChanServ / NickServ .
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14:29 bowtie rindolf, what do they use then
14:34 bowtie El_Che, thank you
14:34 bowtie El_Che++
14:44 El_Che being exotic today. Installed an old Sun Sparc server with debian to backup my desktop at work and run a perl smoke server
14:44 El_Che bowtie: so, 5.16 and padre works there?
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14:56 rindolf El_Che: SPARC or UltraSparc?
14:59 El_Che ultrasparc
14:59 El_Che sun fire v240
15:00 El_Che sun4u
15:03 bowtie El_Che, yes, so you have just got of the train then :)
15:05 El_Che so it's just me?
15:09 rindolf El_Che: how many processors (not cores) does it have?
15:10 El_Che on that time, cpu == core
15:10 rindolf http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_Fire - dual core, nice.
15:10 rindolf And 1.5 GHz.
15:10 El_Che cat /proc/cpuinfo says 1
15:10 El_Che but I thought it had 2
15:11 El_Che I need to verify that
15:11 rindolf A 1.5GHz UltraSPARC is probably pretty fast.
15:11 El_Che it has 8Gb ram
15:11 rindolf Ah.
15:11 rindolf This desktop machine has 8 GB of RAM.
15:11 El_Che it's old
15:11 rindolf It's x86-64.
15:11 rindolf Yes.
15:12 El_Che good enough for testing perl on more rare combinations
15:12 El_Che it had 4x disks
15:12 rindolf Processor frequency is not a precise measurement of performance.
15:12 rindolf El_Che: sounds good.
15:12 El_Che so I can backup my work desktop to it through nfs
15:12 rindolf El_Che: will you have RAID?
15:12 shadowpaste "bowtie" at 217.168.150.38 pasted "Package: Padre requires 'Algor" (73 lines) at http://paste.scsys.co.uk/222451
15:12 El_Che no, not important enough
15:12 El_Che I'll reinstall and restoresome files
15:13 El_Che 1 disk = os
15:13 El_Che 3 disks strip for my backups
15:14 bowtie El_Che, I started to poke around, and I have a couple of observations
15:15 El_Che rindolf: good question about the cpu thing, I am almost sure it had 2 cpus
15:15 bowtie one being that when I ran a little pice of test code I find the contents of Makefile.PL to be some what out of date I think
15:15 rindolf El_Che: "had"? Or has?
15:15 El_Che has
15:15 El_Che it was running Solaris 10
15:16 El_Che I have a solaris sparc running at the opencsw.org buildfarm and will get a zone here as well
15:16 El_Che so I wanted something less commong
15:16 El_Che (instead of throwing it away)
15:17 El_Che maybe I just need a smp kernel
15:17 El_Che I remember that old debians used to work like that
15:18 rindolf El_Che: are you going to run several VMs on it?
15:19 El_Che no
15:19 El_Che kvm does not support sparc
15:19 rindolf http://www.opencsw.org/about/ - nice!
15:19 El_Che yeah
15:19 rindolf Though I heard Solaris package manager is horrible.
15:20 El_Che I am helping there with modernizing perl
15:20 El_Che packaged 5.16.2
15:20 rindolf El_Che: sounds good.
15:20 El_Che they were stuck with 5.10
15:20 rindolf El_Che: great.
15:20 El_Che Solaris package management is terrible...
15:20 El_Che until Solaris 10 (included)
15:20 El_Che Solaris 11 has a modern package management
15:20 El_Che a apt-get/yum clone
15:20 rindolf El_Che: ah.
15:21 El_Che but people run solaris 10 in production
15:21 rindolf Yes, like they run perl-5.6.x
15:21 rindolf Someone told me his company still used perl-4.x.
15:21 rindolf Like WTF?
15:22 rindolf The early 90s called and they want their perl back.
15:22 El_Che oh yeah
15:22 rindolf And perl-4.x was essentially the same as perl-3.x.
15:22 El_Che people on Solaris are stuck with 5.8 i they use the system perl
15:22 rindolf The version was incremented so the first Camel book can say it covers Perl 4.
15:22 rindolf Instead of perl-3.0something.
15:22 rindolf El_Che: that sucks.
15:23 rindolf ruby broke quite a lot of compatibility in ruby-1.9.x and Python 3.x is incompatible with 2.x.
15:23 rindolf Of course many Pythoneers still recommend 2.x.
15:24 El_Che yes, I am reading a python book atm
15:24 El_Che a lot of things break
15:40 El_Che I opened it. 1 cpu, but place for an exta cpu and extra ram
15:40 El_Che I'll have a look to scavange some more stuff :)
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