Camelia, the Perl 6 bug

IRC log for #padre, 2013-02-24

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09:41 sonicrules13s hey can anyone here help me with something for padre?
09:44 Kharec ask.
09:45 waxhead maybe sonicrules13s ask away
09:46 sonicrules13s I'm new to this, learning at school, so my question is
09:47 sonicrules13s is there any command to end the program?
09:47 sonicrules13s as if it reached the end of the programming line
09:47 sonicrules13s it would say press anykey to continue
09:47 sonicrules13s but
09:47 sonicrules13s is there a command to do that?
09:47 sonicrules13s before you reach the end of the line
09:48 waxhead sonicrules13s, in most languages you read something from the console
09:49 sonicrules13s do you mean that black box that appears?
09:49 waxhead GUI programming is event driven so you just simply listen for an event and go from there
09:49 waxhead sonicrules13s, yeah.. I'm thinking that would be it.  :)
09:49 sonicrules13s lawl, ok, is there any event I could trigger to end the program?
09:49 waxhead are you coding in perl?
09:49 sonicrules13s yes
09:50 waxhead to end the program itself?
09:50 waxhead exit;
09:50 waxhead or set an exit value
09:50 waxhead exit 1;
09:50 sonicrules13s what does the exit value do?
09:50 waxhead tells what ever called it that it returned a value
09:50 waxhead typically a problem that exits cleanly returns 0
09:50 waxhead ie "No errors"
09:51 sonicrules13s ok, but the value is not needed?
09:51 waxhead however if you 'trap' an error and want to let the calling program know about it you set a value
09:51 sonicrules13s ahh ok
09:51 waxhead nope, exit; by itself would return 0 I'm pretty sure
09:51 sonicrules13s thank you
09:51 sonicrules13s exit was the one word I didn't try XD
09:52 sonicrules13s I'll give it a try
09:52 waxhead programming is like that
09:54 sonicrules13s yeah, it worked
09:54 sonicrules13s Thank you once again
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11:53 bowtie El_Che, hi
11:54 El_Che hi bowtie
11:55 bowtie how's your tome coming along
11:56 El_Che good: 2 pages :)
11:56 bowtie lol
11:56 El_Che and good news about an article I wrote
11:57 bowtie link please
11:57 El_Che it's conditionally accepted for publication with a theme number on a magazin with really big names on the field
11:57 El_Che but the rapport about it was half the size of my article :)
11:57 El_Che so a lot of work, but glad it was accepted
11:58 bowtie that's good news
11:58 El_Che so I need to fix that first
11:58 El_Che I hope to get a grant so I can take a year off from work, so that my help
11:58 El_Che but with the crisis... we will see
11:59 bowtie now that sound like a good idea, more time to cook and read bed time stories
11:59 El_Che nah, it would be a short, hard year
12:00 El_Che but at least the study will be behind me leaving me more time afterwards :)
12:00 bowtie good plan
12:00 El_Che I saw you module
12:00 bowtie and?
12:00 El_Che could be integrated with things like module starter?
12:01 El_Che I am too busy these weeks, but I have been discussing my plans to create a Solaris Perl distribution
12:01 El_Che and kind of hook it to opencsw (their mirrors, their build infrastructure), etc
12:01 bowtie it has come out of hacking padre plugins, and making packages out of some of my early code which I re-visited
12:02 El_Che someone there want to make the jump with me
12:02 El_Che we *could* now try to run padre on solaris (wx is now part of the latest Solaris 10 update), but why bother? :)
12:02 El_Che Even I run Linux on my desktop
12:03 bowtie sounds like you have come up with a classic political fork
12:03 El_Che no, no, no fork at all
12:03 El_Che au contraire
12:03 bowtie lol
12:03 El_Che perl@csw = integrated with a zillion other packages, hence an update will mean a huge rebuild
12:04 El_Che my idea: perl in a parallel tree (/opt/somethingperl/ instead of /opt/csw) with the lateste perl kind of as a preview
12:04 El_Che with perlbrew, cpanm, Moo
12:04 El_Che and if possible something huge as Moose and/or Task::Kensho
12:04 bowtie and I thought you were 'forking' around the obstacle in the road
12:05 El_Che one huge package, no atomic upgrades
12:05 El_Che just one each time a new perl release is out (and if something is seriously broken/unsafe)
12:05 El_Che no, the obstacle is still there
12:05 El_Che but It will be fixed
12:06 El_Che but my idea is more of a complement
12:06 bowtie this is the same route the mayor software house went two decades ago, and peek n poke and patch just confused everybody
12:06 El_Che tracking upstream as close as possible not caring about other dependencies
12:07 El_Che on solaris the most up to date binarie release is 5.10 on opencsw
12:07 El_Che the rest is dead or closed after a paywall (e.g. active state)
12:07 El_Che While I am migrating some stuff to linux, I am sure there is a usercase for perl@solaris
12:08 El_Che to give you an example 5.14 was completely broken on solaris
12:08 El_Che and it was fixed (on 5.16) because I contacted p5p
12:08 El_Che (I didn't fix it, just made some noise)
12:09 bowtie I know, i was watching your p5p chats
12:11 El_Che on one had it's great people fix stuff that fast
12:11 bowtie midgen function is to check what modules you have used, and show you the current version available, with output in a makefile format
12:12 El_Che one the other it's sad that a mayor release is broken on a major server platform
12:12 bowtie techies like interesting problems, that's why
12:12 El_Che my work intervention is finished (luckily at home) so I am going to take a shower
12:12 bowtie El_Che, are you running a smoker
12:12 El_Che and do a walk in the snow with my kids
12:12 El_Che bowtie: yes
12:13 El_Che bowtie: 2, but I need to fine tune it
12:13 El_Che one takes literally a week to run
12:13 El_Che so I need to parallize it
12:13 bowtie O
12:13 El_Che many combination
12:13 El_Che I know build with gcc
12:13 El_Che so if I take sunstudio out it would be the half
12:13 bowtie enjoy the snow angles
12:14 El_Che (sunstudio + perl is broken now imho)
12:14 El_Che I am sure with some -L and -R magic it could be build, but I ran out of inspiration and for the future csw is migration to gcc as well
12:15 El_Che (some soft is really gcc centric, and with Oracle you're never sure about the future of sunstudio)
12:15 El_Che (free as in beer could change)
12:17 bowtie I thought Oracle was now in the multi-national buy other companies and asset strip for patients
12:18 El_Che only when they take time off from the install-what-you-like-we'll-drop-in​-later-for-the-license-money-maffia
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