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IRC log for #padre, 2013-09-18

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08:02 Plecto hi bowtie
08:07 Plecto I have installed Padre on my Mac with OSX 10.8.5 and I have an issue when using the debug as it hangs
08:07 Plecto the installation process produces this error
08:10 shadowpaste "Plecto" at 217.168.150.38 pasted "Problems in installing Padre on Mac OSX with CPAN" (14 lines) at http://paste.scsys.co.uk/269352
08:11 Plecto it seems I have got the same issue described here: http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/1495
08:13 Plecto and here http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/1507
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08:31 Plecto anyone that can give me support?
09:05 dod why do you install padre 0.96 instead of 0.98 ?
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09:13 Plecto hello everybody
09:13 Plecto dod: hi
09:15 dod plecto. the trace you shown indicates installation of padre 0.96. why do you install padre 0.96 instead of 0.98 ?
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09:18 Plecto hello dod
09:19 Plecto hello bowtie
09:19 dod Plecto: the trace you shown indicates installation of padre 0.96. why do you install padre 0.96 instead of 0.98 ?
09:20 Plecto nope!
09:21 Plecto I installed versio 0.98
09:21 Plecto but the issue I encountered is exactly the same
09:21 Plecto described in that ticket
09:21 dod Plecto: arg, I read the wrong link as yours :-(
09:21 Plecto :(
09:22 dod Plecto: try to skip the test and see if Padre works or not
09:27 Plecto I did that
09:27 Plecto trying a force install
09:27 Plecto padre opens and seems to work
09:27 Plecto but the debugger hangs
09:27 Plecto I mean, when I use the debugger (which is the feature I LOVE of PAdre) the spin icon appears
09:29 dod The debugger does not run in Debian. I don't have the time to investigate why.
09:29 Plecto and Padre does not respond anymore
09:29 Plecto so I have to kill it
09:29 Plecto dod: a similar issue is described here: http://padre.perlide.org/trac/ticket/1507
09:29 Plecto did you look at that ticket?
09:29 * dod mostly uses ptkdb to debug
09:31 dod not really. no time
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10:13 Plecto hello dod
10:14 Plecto sorry, I mmoved on another network
10:14 Plecto and my connection was lost
10:14 Plecto who should I contact for issues on the Debug module of PAdre?
10:15 dod Plecto: probably bowtie
10:32 Plecto ok, thanks
10:32 Plecto bowtie: hi
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11:28 bowtie_ Plecto: having just read the backlog, I think you should do the following http://padre.perlide.org/trac/wiki/Development
11:29 bowtie_ Plecto: iirc several of theses issues are fixed in trunk
11:30 bowtie_ Plecto: as you are an OSX user, testing trunk for us would confirm or otherwise
11:34 Plecto I'll do that
11:35 Plecto any suggestion on where to download and install the dev version?
11:36 Plecto in order to do not confuse it with the other version I already have on my filesystem
11:36 Plecto :(
11:37 bowtie_ Plecto: to an empty section of your local hard disk, in a directory name of your choosing :)
11:38 Plecto ok
11:40 Plecto going to do that
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11:51 bowtie_ dod: hi
11:54 dod hi
11:57 Plecto bowtie:  make test on the dev version of Padre produces exactly the same error!!!
11:57 shadowpaste "Plecto" at 217.168.150.38 pasted "Problems in installing Padre (dev) on Mac OSX" (9 lines) at http://paste.scsys.co.uk/269368
12:02 bowtie_ Plecto: how about with prove -lv ...
12:05 Plecto prove -lv padre
12:05 Plecto ?
12:06 bowtie_ Plecto: prove -lv t/15_locale.t against trunk
12:07 bowtie_ Plecto: can run pdev as per wiki page ^^
12:07 shadowpaste "Plecto" at 217.168.150.38 pasted "Problems in installing Padre (dev) on Mac OSX" (15 lines) at http://paste.scsys.co.uk/269369
12:09 bowtie_ Plecto: we will come back to 15_local.t later
12:10 bowtie_ Plecto: now what happends when you run pdev
12:12 bowtie_ Plecto: sorry I mean -> perl dev
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12:49 Plecto padre opens
12:49 Plecto but the issue with the debugger is still there
12:52 bowtie_ Plecto: can you paste the contents of Help -> About -> Info pleas
12:52 bowtie_ please
12:57 Plecto unbelievable
12:57 Plecto It's difficult to kill wxPerl
13:07 shadowpaste "Plecto" at 217.168.150.38 pasted "Problems in installing Padre (dev) on Mac OSX" (19 lines) at http://paste.scsys.co.uk/269370
13:08 Plecto bowtie_: here is the output of Help->About->Info http://paste.scsys.co.uk/269370
13:08 bowtie_ Plecto: I can i see the same from Padre trunk please
13:09 Plecto the release version you mean?
13:09 bowtie_ Plecto: no, the dev version
13:10 Plecto that's the output of the dev version actually
13:10 bowtie_ Plecto: you have just downloaded it
13:10 bowtie_ Plecto:  run perl dev
13:10 Plecto downloaded and installed following the wiki info
13:11 Plecto it's what I did
13:11 bowtie_ Plecto: just download it and run perl Makefile , make followed by perl dev as per the wiki page
13:12 bowtie_ Plecto: it will have Padre 0.99 as the version when you run Help -> About -> Info
13:12 Plecto uhm
13:12 Plecto so I will repeat the process
13:13 bowtie_ Plecto: you just showed me Padre 0.98
13:13 Plecto it's what I got running the dev version of Padre
13:14 Plecto Checked out revision 19788.
13:14 Plecto is this ok?
13:14 shadowpaste "bowtie" at 217.168.150.38 pasted "Padre 0.99 Core... osname linu" (22 lines) at http://paste.scsys.co.uk/269371
13:14 bowtie_ Plecto: like so
13:15 bowtie_ Plecto: r19788 is correct
13:15 botbot Changeset #19788 http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/19788
13:16 Plecto no way :( running perl dev seems to run the release version of padre
13:16 Plecto I mean, it says me 0.98
13:17 bowtie_ Plecto: you will see 'Padre svn: r197880' in the Padre title bar at the top
13:17 botbot Changeset #197880 http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/197880
13:17 bowtie_ silly me one exta 0
13:27 Plecto I see r19788
13:27 botbot Changeset #19788 http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/19788
13:28 Plecto on the tool bar
13:28 Plecto so the release is correct!
13:28 bowtie_ Plecto: yes
13:29 bowtie_ Plecto: so when you view Info it will show Padre 0.99
13:32 Plecto nope!!!
13:32 Plecto it shows me 0.98
13:32 Plecto can I send you a screenshot?
13:33 Plecto so you'll see that the tool bar shows r19788 and the info 0.98
13:33 botbot Changeset #19788 http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/19788
13:34 Plecto so?
13:35 Plecto can I send you an image with pasteit?
13:36 bowtie_ Plecto: sorry i don't know how to do images
13:36 Plecto dropbox?
13:39 Plecto https://dl.dropboxuserconte​nt.com/u/7728308/padre.png
13:45 Plecto bowtie: got it?
13:56 Plecto bowtie: ?
13:57 bowtie_ Plecto: some how you have crossed libs, try running perl Makefile.PL and make against Padre trunk again, and running perl dev again
13:59 bowtie_ Plecto: take a look at the contents of dev and make sure the libraries are being set correctly
14:15 Plecto what a mess
14:16 Plecto :(
14:17 Plecto did that already three times :(
14:19 Plecto bowtie_: I did that already three times
14:20 bowtie_ Plecto: not really, it is only you who has this issue, you will need to revisit in the cold light of day, suggest you review the backlog: http://irclog.perlgeek.de/padre/2013-09-17 and do one little step at a time ok
14:36 Plecto ok, how can I check and solve the crossed libs?
14:37 bowtie_ Plecto: look at dev and check what it is doing
14:49 Plecto bowtie_: sorry, what do you mean with look at dev?
14:52 bowtie_ Plecto: you run Padre trunk == 0.99 by perl dev , hence take a look at de
14:52 bowtie_ dev
14:58 Plecto dev as directory?
15:26 bowtie_ botbot: tell Plecto no, see http://padre.perlide.org/tr​ac/browser/trunk/Padre/dev
15:26 botbot bowtie_, I'll tell that Plecto when we see each other.
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15:44 Plecto bowtie: hi
15:50 Plecto bowtie_: what if I delete the directory ActivePerl-5.16 and all its content, then reinstall active perl, and then follow the dev wiki?
15:52 bowtie_ Plecto: I have no OSX experiance to talk of, so it's up to you, but in the linux world we tend to use perlbrew -> http://padre.perlide.org/t​rac/wiki/DownloadPerlbrew
15:55 Plecto bowtie: would this solve the libs cross issue?
15:56 bowtie_ Plecto: yes
15:59 Plecto bowtie_: someone yesterday in this chat suggested me to use activeperl...
16:00 Plecto you can check that if you are access to the history of my chat
16:00 bowtie_ Plecto: I do not know which is the best solution for OSX
16:01 Plecto bowtie_: can you help me with this?
16:01 shadowpaste "Plecto" at 217.168.150.38 pasted "Problems in installing Padre (dev) on Mac OSX" (7 lines) at http://paste.scsys.co.uk/269381
16:03 bowtie_ Plecto: as I said I have no OSX experience, it's time for you to stop, do some reading and blogging and make your own mind up, be patient your in the open world not a commercial help desk
16:04 Plecto bowtie_: sorry for requesting you too much time
16:06 Plecto bowtie_: and thanks for the support you provided so far
16:06 bowtie_ Plecto: ok
16:07 Plecto bowtie_: do you know who is behind this website and how I may contact him? http://wildperl.com/padreonosx/
16:07 Plecto bowtie_: he seems to use padre on Mac OSX
16:07 bowtie_ Plecto: yes, tome when he is around here
16:08 Plecto ok, thanks
16:08 bowtie_ Plecto: or you could try stkowski when he is around
16:08 Plecto bowtie_: last question, how can I see the history of my chat?
16:10 bowtie_ Plecto: nb it is bad form to repost an IRC conversation, but you can see backlog here and referance it ok -> http://irclog.perlgeek.de/padre/2013-09-18
16:11 Plecto bowtie_: it's for me to try again your suggestions
16:12 bowtie_ Plecto: as so -> http://irclog.perlgeek.de/​padre/2013-09-18#i_7602589
16:13 Plecto bowtie_: thanks
16:14 Plecto bowtie_: I really need to get Padre back working on my machine, or I'll be lost
16:15 Plecto bowtie_: is it possible for me to send a PM to tome so for him to receive it as he goes online on this chat?
16:16 bowtie_ Plecto: if you look on his blog you should find an e-mail address
16:23 Plecto bowtie_: his blog == http://wildperl.com/padreonosx/ ?
16:27 bowtie_ Plecto: yes
16:30 Plecto bowtie_: then I looked for an email or any other contact there, and could not find any
16:33 bowtie_ Plecto: see private message
16:43 Plecto bowtie_: got it thanks!
16:43 Plecto bowtie_: in running perl Makefile.PL in the dev root of Padre, I get several warnings such as "Warning: prerequisite Pod::Abstract 0.16 not found."
16:43 Plecto should I address them?
16:44 bowtie_ Plecto: ok so just install them
16:45 Plecto ok
16:46 Plecto bowtie_: is there a way to do it for all of them automatically when running perl Makefil.PL?
16:50 bowtie_ Plecto: i only now how to with -> cpanm --installdeps .
16:58 Plecto bowtie_: but now I'm in the stage of creating Makefile.PL for the dev version of Padre
17:00 bowtie_ Plecto: think of each module as a as a separate entity as in different versions are like different apps so you need to do this for all new modules
17:02 bowtie_ you are not creating a Makefile.Pl  you are running -> perl Makefile.PL to create a makefile so that you can run make, suggest some rtfm here
17:08 Plecto bowtie_: poor me mac osx user, that love .dmg files!!
17:08 Plecto :)
17:11 Plecto bowtie_: all warnings are now solved
17:11 Plecto bowtie_: I cross my finger and run make now
17:12 Plecto bowtie_: and now perl dev
17:16 Plecto :(
17:17 shadowpaste "Plecto" at 217.168.150.38 pasted "Problems in installing Padre (dev) on Mac OSX" (3 lines) at http://paste.scsys.co.uk/269385
17:21 bowtie_ Plecto: ok, so in Padre trunk/dev dir, you can now run perl Makefile.Pl ok, and then make ok
17:22 bowtie_ followed by make test which fails on t/15....
17:22 Plecto right
17:22 bowtie_ correct
17:22 Plecto didn't try make test
17:22 Plecto will do it right away
17:22 Plecto corect
17:23 Plecto correct
17:23 bowtie_ Plecto: ok lets make some noise :) try perl dev -t
17:23 Plecto issue with t/15 is still there
17:24 bowtie_ Plecto: we will put that on back-burner for now
17:24 Plecto great!!!!
17:24 Plecto I see 0.99 now!!!
17:24 bowtie_ Plecto: and Info ?
17:27 shadowpaste "Plecto" at 217.168.150.38 pasted "Problems in installing Padre (dev) on Mac OSX" (19 lines) at http://paste.scsys.co.uk/269386
17:27 Plecto and r19788
17:27 Plecto then?
17:27 Plecto next test?
17:27 botbot Changeset #19788 http://padre.perlide.org/trac/changeset/19788
17:29 bowtie_ Plecto: cool, take a deep breath and smile
17:30 Plecto bowtie_: thanks bowtie
17:30 Plecto I did smile
17:30 Plecto but for very short time
17:30 Plecto as the problem with the debigger is still there
17:30 Plecto :(
17:30 bowtie_ Plecto: ok first test, t1, create a simple hello world, and get it to print
17:30 Plecto ok
17:31 bowtie_ Plecto: don't run walk
17:32 Plecto :(
17:32 Plecto opening one of my pl script caused Padre to crash
17:32 Plecto just loading it in the ide I mean
17:32 Plecto not running it
17:33 bowtie_ Plecto: no, simple -> hello world
17:36 Plecto #!/usr/bin/perl  print "Hello World.\n";
17:36 Plecto produces no output
17:36 Plecto :(
17:37 bowtie_ Plecto: now go and toggle Tools -> Prefs -> Perl5 -> external
17:37 bowtie_ try in both modes
17:41 Plecto a terminal window opens but nothing is shown in it
17:41 Plecto plus I don't see any output in the output window
17:41 Plecto of PAdre
17:41 Plecto yes
17:41 Plecto disabling it shows the output in the output window
17:41 Plecto :)
17:41 Plecto hello workd
17:41 Plecto world sorry
17:41 Plecto I love this IDE
17:41 Plecto and I thanks you Padre developers a lot for your work and effort you put in it
17:42 bowtie_ Plecto: ok now add a second print statement and repeat, leaving toggle in output panel
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18:03 Plecto bowtie_: lost my Internet connection, sorry
18:07 Plecto bowtie_: are you there?
18:07 Plecto bowtie_: Hello world prints twice
18:08 bowtie_ Plecto: al working
18:09 Plecto debug does not hang, but its behavior is strange
18:09 bowtie_ Plecto: so when you ty to debug with output set to output panel what hapend
18:10 bowtie_ Happens
18:13 Plecto I see the line currently executing in the debug output panel and nothing and the output on the output panel (the hello world texts appear only when the script ends)
18:14 Plecto I see the line currently executing in the debug output panel and the output on the output panel (the hello world texts appear only when the script ends)
18:14 bowtie_ Plecto: have you ever used the perl debugger
18:15 Plecto sure
18:15 Plecto a lot before
18:15 Plecto why I don't see the printed text in the output pane?
18:18 bowtie_ Plecto: ok, after starting the debugger, set a breakpoint on second print statement, and c to it
18:18 bowtie_ you do have a multi line file don't you
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18:19 Plecto I go ahead step by step
18:19 Plecto so I can see the current line being executed
18:19 Plecto sure
18:20 Plecto I can see values of variables too
18:20 Plecto but no output
18:20 Plecto for example, I don't see "Hello world" after the first hello world print has been executed
18:20 bowtie_ Plecto: the code output should go to output-panel
18:21 Plecto no output until the script ends
18:21 bowtie_ Plecto: show me the file
18:24 shadowpaste "Plecto" at 217.168.150.38 pasted "Problems in installing Padre (dev) on Mac OSX" (4 lines) at http://paste.scsys.co.uk/269393
18:26 shadowpaste "bowtie" at 217.168.150.38 pasted "#!perl use 5.014; use strict;" (20 lines) at http://paste.scsys.co.uk/269394
18:26 bowtie_ Plecto: have a play with ^^
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21:17 bowtie_ botbot: tell Plecto: did you see this -> http://padre.perlide.org/trac/w​iki/Features/Perl5Debugger#Tips
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