Camelia, the Perl 6 bug

IRC log for #parrot, 2008-02-19

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00:11 svnbotl r25858 | chromatic++ | trunk:
00:11 svnbotl : [src] Added documentation to undocumented functions (RT #48260,
00:11 svnbotl : ajr@ippimail.com).
00:11 svnbotl diff: http://parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision/?rev=25858
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00:50 Coke chromatic++
00:54 svnbotl r25859 | chromatic++ | trunk:
00:54 svnbotl : [src] Improved the formatting of this file and fixed a couple of typos.
00:54 svnbotl diff: http://parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision/?rev=25859
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02:24 Coke +1
02:24 purl 1
02:43 TimToady ∞+1
02:43 * Coke tries not to get sucked into Inform 7.
02:43 TimToady ∞+1  # --buzz lightyear
02:44 TimToady except buzz is more like ∞ + $n if $n > 0
02:44 svnbotl r25860 | jkeenan++ | reconfigure:
02:44 svnbotl : Removing branch; all its good stuff is now in tcif branch.
02:44 svnbotl diff: http://parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision/?rev=25860
02:45 TimToady wait, "and beyond", so make that >=
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02:51 svnbotl r25861 | jkeenan++ | trunk:
02:51 svnbotl : Removing superseded tag.
02:51 svnbotl diff: http://parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision/?rev=25861
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03:09 * Tene takes a machete to languages/cardinal/src/parser/*
03:12 Tene apparently cardinal doesn't parse () in function calls
03:22 PerlJam Makefile:631: *** Recursive variable `MAKE' references itself (eventually).  Stop.
03:22 PerlJam Am I the only one who gets this?
03:22 PerlJam (running on cygwin btw)
03:37 Coke ... cygwin works? =-0
03:38 Coke infinity... and even further!
03:39 Coke PerlJam: I don't seem to be getting an error on 'make'
03:39 Coke (osx)
03:51 Tene comments on getting a commit bit?
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05:50 svnbotl r25862 | allison++ | pdd17pmc:
05:50 svnbotl : [pdd17pmc] Update the Class PMC to use a generated attribute struct.
05:50 svnbotl diff: http://parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision/?rev=25862
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07:11 svnbotl r25863 | chromatic++ | trunk:
07:11 svnbotl : [src] Removed unreachable code after exceptions (RT #50886, Andrew Whitworth).
07:11 svnbotl diff: http://parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision/?rev=25863
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07:24 svnbotl r25864 | chromatic++ | trunk:
07:24 svnbotl : [src] Removed unnecessary casts (RT #50238, julian.notfound@gmail.com).
07:24 svnbotl diff: http://parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision/?rev=25864
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07:43 svnbotl r25865 | petdance++ | trunk:
07:43 svnbotl : hoist repeated code
07:43 svnbotl r25866 | fperrad++ | trunk:
07:43 svnbotl : [Lua]
07:43 svnbotl : - aligned with Lua 5.1.3 (part 2)
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07:50 svnbotl r25867 | petdance++ | trunk:
07:50 svnbotl : the ext parm is NULLOK
07:50 svnbotl r25868 | petdance++ | trunk:
07:50 svnbotl : nosync_pop_entry cannot actually return NULL
07:50 svnbotl diff: http://parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision/?rev=25868
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09:23 svnbotl r25869 | paultcochrane++ | trunk:
09:23 svnbotl : [core] Removed deprecated instantiate opcode as per patch in RT#50938 (with
09:23 svnbotl : the one minor modification that I needed to update the test plan).
09:23 svnbotl diff: http://parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision/?rev=25869
09:42 svnbotl r25870 | kjs++ | trunk:
09:42 svnbotl : [src] add function doc to oo functions.
09:42 svnbotl diff: http://parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision/?rev=25870
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13:50 * Tene is finding ast problems in cardinal similar to those found in lolcode.
13:50 * Tene needs to create doc patches.
13:54 kj Tene: what kind of problems?
13:56 Tene kj: parameters to blocks weren't being passed in right.
13:56 Tene I've got function calls working now.
13:56 kj ok. was it in the parameter passing stuff?
13:57 kj I didn't include tests for that i think
13:57 Tene And a couple of other things, iirc.
13:57 Tene the () in foo(1) wasn't supported anywhere in the grammar.
13:57 Tene As it is right now, though, foo(bar(1)) doesn't parse.
13:57 kj i'm not sure if that's the only thing missing ;-)
13:58 Tene There are some things I don't quite understand the reasoning behind in the grammar.
13:58 Tene Are you particularly attached to the grammar as it stands?
13:59 kj no not at all
13:59 kj please go ahead and claim it ;-)
13:59 Tene Ahh, okay.
13:59 kj I just wanted it running on PCT
13:59 kj at least some basics
13:59 Tene I'll consider more-significant restructuring, then.
13:59 kj like nodes for literals and functions. once those are working, the rest is easy :-)
14:00 Tene I need to get a commit bit eventually.
14:00 kj yes. please note that some grammar references found on the internet don't seem to be correct
14:01 kj at some point I looked at the yacc file found in ruby distr.
14:01 Tene My reference right now is /usr/share/doc/ruby-1.8.6.111/sample/**.rb
14:01 kj ok
14:02 Tene Like you, iirc, I don't actually know ruby at all. :)
14:03 kj heh. i found that it doesn't really matter if you don't. Of course it helps a bit
14:09 kj Tene: i would suggest to take at least a look at several sources for the grammar, and then select the one that looks best
14:09 kj (and preferably the most up-to-date one)
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17:45 * Coke
18:29 * spinclad too
18:29 * Tene not
18:30 spinclad not!  :(
18:31 spinclad todo el mundo sería sí
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18:32 Tene Well, only on Thursdays.
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18:33 spinclad (#ps?)
18:33 spinclad (yes!)
18:33 chromatic yes
18:35 Coke crap!
18:35 chromatic carp!
18:36 particle i'm in, too
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18:49 skids chromatic: re your testing article, I have a crusty debian distro on hp-parisc, if that's bizarre enough.  But I can't leave it on 24/7 (300Watts, ouch)
18:50 chromatic That's bizarre enough.
18:50 chromatic Would you consider running a smoke once a week on there?
18:50 svnbotl r25871 | kjs++ | trunk:
18:50 svnbotl : [NEWS] add cardinal and function documentation to news.
18:50 svnbotl diff: http://parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision/?rev=25871
18:52 skids When I can remember to power it on, sure.  And assuming I can get it to run in the first place.  I'll give a try sometime this week or next.
18:52 proq how do I register my nick on this network? O_o
18:52 Coke I don't think that's an option.
18:53 chromatic Thanks, skids.  I'm sure the first test results will be horrifying!
18:53 Coke "It came from beyond the repository"
18:54 particle proq: no nick registration on magnet
18:54 skids Yeah, probably.  If I have time I'll look into whatever passes for atomics on that CPU.
18:55 proq oh, true enough
18:55 skids I also have an alpha and a non-Darwin G4, but those are probably much easier to come by.
18:56 chromatic I don't think we have anyone running on the Alpha either.
18:56 chromatic What's on the G4?
18:56 spinclad yeah, alpha seems rare these days
18:56 skids Fresh debian.
18:56 particle do we have anyone running linux-ppc?
18:56 particle i don't think so
18:56 chromatic I just fixed Linux PPC on Saturday.  All green
18:56 chromatic (That's why JIT works now on Darwin PPC)
18:58 proq I was considering running YDL on my G4 a few days ago :)
18:58 * skids almost got debian wedged onto that G4 without plugging in a monitor.  Almost.
18:58 particle anybody running haiku?
18:58 Coke (jit on darwin ppc) oooh, really?
18:58 Coke now if we could get jit on osx x86... =-)
18:59 chromatic Coke, try the shootout on Darwin PPC.
19:00 particle sweet. haiku has nightly vmware images to download :)
19:00 Coke that will take a day. =-)
19:00 Coke but ok.
19:00 chromatic It shouldn't; the JIT works now.
19:01 Coke most of that day doesn't involve building or running.
19:01 particle it's only 30MB zipped.
19:08 Coke chromatic: two tickets open. looks like it's probably PARROT_API wonkery.
19:09 svnbotl r25872 | kjs++ | trunk:
19:09 svnbotl : [NEWS] More news. this is as much as I can think of.
19:09 svnbotl diff: http://parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision/?rev=25872
19:09 chromatic Existing tickets, or new ones?
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19:10 Coke new, just opened.
19:10 Coke ... though they haven't hit the list yet.
19:10 chromatic Beware.  I hit back.
19:10 Coke 51000 and 51002
19:10 purl 102002
19:11 Coke ... stupid purl.
19:11 Coke 10 minus 3?
19:11 Coke ha!
19:13 particle ha! haiku vm running :)
19:13 Coke chromatic: ... did you intentially fix the ascii_compare segfault?
19:14 chromatic No.
19:14 Coke I can't reproduce it. :(
19:14 kj particle: can you summarize what's new in rakudo? THen I'll update NEWS on that.
19:14 chromatic In tcl or anywhere?
19:14 Coke (currently chugging through a full 'make test')
19:14 Coke tcl was the only place it was happening before.
19:14 svnbotl r25873 | kjs++ | trunk:
19:14 svnbotl : [NEWS] I forgot the new PCT documentation. Yay!
19:14 svnbotl diff: http://parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision/?rev=25873
19:14 Coke ... well, damn.
19:15 Coke So, it's not fixed, necessarily, but it's hidden again. whee. :(
19:15 chromatic Maybe r25851.
19:15 chromatic ... which makes a lot of sense, actually.
19:16 Coke could be. once this test run finishes, I'll revert that patch and see if it explodes again.
19:16 chromatic I have a good feeling about it.
19:16 Coke (locally)
19:16 Coke ... that's what you said about the nail gun.
19:17 Coke ... now if you could just make tcl.pbc run code about 60 times faster...
19:18 chromatic When you see me in a pink tutu waving a fairy wand, then you'll know I'm your fairy godmother and can do things like that.
19:20 proq the FAQ on using parrot for, say, ruby code says I need to modify languages.pm. I take it this means I need to download the parrot source, modify and build?
19:20 chromatic proq, there's already a Ruby compiler in progress (languages/cardinal/), so you don't have to modify languages.pm.
19:20 kj proq: using parrot for ruby code: you mean, using the ruby compiler for parrot
19:21 Coke ok. tcl current is failing tests, but no segfaults.
19:22 proq I mean using parrot to compile ruby code to ELF
19:22 kj proq: parrot is the runtime engine, it can't compile ruby code
19:22 kj it can *run* ruby code
19:22 proq oh, I see
19:22 kj using the ruby compiler targeting parrot, which is cardinal
19:23 kj (though, I should mention, it's not complete yet)
19:23 chromatic No reason you can't build a Ruby-to-ELF compiler with Parrot though.  You just won't emit PBC/PIR.
19:23 spinclad which compiles to pir, not ELF
19:23 spinclad (which = /languages/cardinal)
19:27 integral hmm, you could compile parrot's ops to LLVM IR, then output code that's calls to the op functions, then use LLVM's inliner, then compile from IR to native
19:27 Coke chromatic: I don't think that was one that fixed it.
19:27 svnbotl r25874 | kjs++ | trunk:
19:27 svnbotl : [NEWS] add deprecation entry. add "attribute" scope variant for PAST::Var nodes.
19:27 svnbotl diff: http://parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision/?rev=25874
19:27 Coke if I revert 25851, tcl doesn't segfault like it used to.
19:27 Coke ah well.
19:27 Coke onward and upward. :|
19:29 proq oh, I get it. a cardinal is a ruby parrot?  :D
19:30 spinclad exactly!
19:30 purl it has been said that exactly! is it not awesome?
19:30 particle we're *so* clever here :)
19:30 Coke Yah, I can hack on tcl again! Crap, it's so slow!
19:31 particle holy crap, who screwed up trace output?
19:31 Coke kj: have you added every bit of news through r25873?
19:31 Coke (if not, the blurb in the NEWS file is somewhat misleading. =-)
19:31 Coke particle: ?
19:31 chromatic Coke, you'll have to clear out bytecode if you revert 25851.
19:31 chromatic At least Tcl bytecode.
19:31 kj Coke: nope, this is what I know about
19:31 kj burb?
19:31 nopaste "particle" at 24.19.3.148 pasted "tail of trace output on pdd17pmc segfault" (487 lines) at http://nopaste.snit.ch/12358
19:31 kj ehm. blurb?
19:31 kj what's that?
19:31 purl hmmm... that is what he is using :)
19:32 Coke kj;you said "news up through r<foo>". It's not.
19:32 kj mmm. that's not what I meant either. but I guess you can interpret it that way
19:32 kj which i didn't
19:32 Coke that was originally meant a placeholder if some intrepid soul was doing ALL the news. If you're just cherry picking, don't include that.
19:32 Coke what does it mean to you?
19:32 chromatic http://msdn.microsoft.com/events/hero/sfbio/
19:32 Coke chromatic: yah, it was a clean tclsh build.
19:33 kj as a placeholder too, as there's no version number yet
19:33 Coke but what the placeholder mean?
19:34 kj should I remove it?
19:34 spinclad use it as a fence between the complete part and the cherries
19:35 Coke with all the updates, I don't think we know where the fence is.
19:35 kj ok. I'll leave it alone next time. I don't know exactly what is new.. there's so much new
19:36 chromatic Coke, before that patch, IMCC always tried to load a library named '' when it encountered .HLL 'lang', ''
19:37 Coke tcl does that a lot.
19:37 chromatic Yeah, that's the only way to specify an HLL.
19:37 Coke so yes, it was plausible; I just didn't see an effect.
19:37 chromatic Thus the interpreter froze an empty string into the bytecode for the associated HLL library name.
19:37 chromatic Thawing that bytecode would give you an empty string for the HLL lib name.
19:38 Coke I could binary search, but doing that to find when something began working is far less helpful than finding when something stopped working.
19:38 chromatic I agree.
19:38 chromatic Still, it would be good to know if we've really fixed it.
19:38 Coke True.
19:39 chromatic If you get really, really bored and have a lot of spare time and nothing productive to do, like clip your toenails or whatever, I'm curious.
19:39 chromatic But you'd have to be very bored.
19:39 Coke crap. I just clipped my toenails yesterday.
19:39 chromatic Re-reading Howard Roarke's 40-page speech bored.
19:40 davidfetter if you're *that* bored, i have ideas ;)
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19:41 chromatic I'd rather start my own steel mill, with robots, and blackjack, and...
19:41 Coke So; while I want to track all of my tcl issues, I am no longer convinced that rt is the place to do that.
19:42 Coke I can see keeping RT for languages that *ship* with parrot, but I'm not sure tcl's going to make that cut.
19:42 Coke any thoughts? (ditto for any other HLLs except rakudo which has its own special RT queue.)
19:44 chromatic Depends on whether an issue is a Parrot issue or a Tcl issue.
19:45 Coke anything truly parroty would have an rt ticket.
19:46 particle chromatic: http://nopaste.snit.ch/12358
19:46 chromatic particle, I'll poke at that.  Thanks!
19:47 chromatic How weird that the output goes wonky at 958 though.
19:49 particle it goes wonky on and off throughout the run
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20:01 proq Cardinal - Ruby for the Parrot VM    irb(main):001:0>>
20:01 proq ^^ sweet!
20:02 kj proq: :-) It's not complete yet. but patches are welcome ;-)
20:03 * jhorwitz considers mod_ruby...
20:05 chromatic Cardinal runs irb?
20:05 kj chromatic: nope , that's just the same command prompt as you get when running interactive ruby
20:10 cognominal_ where is the code that dumps POST and PAST trees,  in POST dumps,  source and pos with value null is just noise
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20:29 particle look! it's a steve_p! hey there.
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20:42 Coke OMG, it's allison! =-)
20:43 particle and just miles away from me :)
20:45 Steve_p hey
20:45 * Steve_p digs himself out from his work
20:48 cognominal_ anyone here going to FOSDEM apart pmichaud?
20:48 cognominal_ s/apart/but/ ?
20:49 svnbotl r25875 | chromatic++ | trunk:
20:49 svnbotl : [src] Silenced warnings when compiling with Intel C++ (RT #51004, Steve Peters).
20:49 svnbotl diff: http://parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision/?rev=25875
20:54 Coke is not.
21:03 allison hi coke :)
21:09 * Coke is no longer getting paid to hack java.
21:09 Tene Would you like to be?
21:10 Coke not especially.
21:10 Coke Though my current deployment is mostly CFMX at the moment; I almost miss java. =-)
21:16 Steve_p I'm have grown very sick of Java
21:24 Steve_p Why are the tests phoning home?
21:27 chromatic Which tests are these?
21:27 Steve_p t/distro/file_metadata
21:28 Steve_p nopaste?
21:28 purl nopaste is at http://nopaste.snit.ch/ (ask TonyC for new channels) or http://rafb.net/paste or http://paste.husk.org/ or http://poundperl.pastebin.com/ or http://paste.scsys.co.uk/ or don't bother me while I'm eating
21:29 nopaste "Steve_p" at 165.189.41.11 pasted "Test phoning home..." (14 lines) at http://nopaste.snit.ch/12359
21:32 svnbotl r25876 | rblasch++ | trunk:
21:32 svnbotl : [src] Force values into range where appropriate, so we can find the places
21:32 svnbotl : where it's not, and values are truncated.
21:32 svnbotl diff: http://parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision/?rev=25876
21:33 chromatic Oh yeah, those tests.
21:34 chromatic Did you check out Parrot via svn?
21:34 Steve_p Yes
21:34 Coke that shouldn't have to phone home.
21:36 Steve_p Shouldn't is the operative word :)
21:40 Coke does perl -Ilib -MParrot::Revision -e1; phone home?
21:42 Coke file_metadata.t seems to just be invoking 'svn pg <attr> <filelist.'
21:53 Ron Coke: It seems to be the "svn ls"
21:54 Coke ... where is that done?
21:55 Ron In the BEGIN block, line 244.
21:55 Coke oh, in the beginning.
21:56 Steve_p Coke, no
22:00 Coke Steve_p: yah, ron found it.
22:00 Coke I wouldn't expect 'svn ls .' to do that, though.
22:00 Ron Me neither.
22:00 Ron BUT...
22:01 Coke Can one of you open a ticket?
22:01 Ron svn help ls
22:01 Ron Sure.
22:01 Coke oh! '.' doesn't mean what I think it means. :|
22:01 particle i need a good header location for internationalization settings
22:02 particle #ifdef HAS_GETTEXT ...
22:02 Coke locale.h ?
22:02 Ron Yep, svn ls always heads for the server.
22:02 svnbotl r25877 | rblasch++ | trunk:
22:02 svnbotl : [src] Declare variable at beginning of block.
22:02 svnbotl diff: http://parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision/?rev=25877
22:02 particle i suppose i could create a new header, but hoped to stick these defs in an existing header
22:03 Coke conversation of headers?
22:03 Coke misc.h, then?
22:03 particle ah. "conservation"
22:05 Coke whoops.
22:06 * Coke disengages autopilot on his fingers.
22:06 particle i'm thinking intl.h
22:06 particle or i18n.h
22:07 Coke I like my bikeshed betteer.
22:07 particle alright, misc it is ;)
22:07 svnbotl r25878 | rblasch++ | trunk:
22:07 svnbotl : [src] PARROT_ASSERT is used to assert pointers, so it should be at least as
22:07 svnbotl : long as them.  long may not be large enough (e.g. on LLP64), but INTVAL
22:07 svnbotl : probably should.
22:07 svnbotl diff: http://parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision/?rev=25878
22:08 Coke do we have a type that == "size of a pointer" ?
22:08 particle Ron: are you working towards parrot compilation with msvc on x86_64?
22:09 particle we have ptrsize
22:09 Ron Yep.
22:09 particle \o/ ron++
22:09 Coke (if we need something as big as a pointer, is that better than INTVAL ?
22:10 particle on msvc/x86_64, intsize >= ptrsize
22:10 Ron But I only got as far as the last time we tried....yet
22:10 Ron Is INTVAL not supposed to be long enough to hold a pointer?
22:12 particle that question is too vague for me to answer
22:12 particle parrot frequently and mistakenly assumes intsize == ptrsize
22:13 Ron Uups, I thought that too.
22:15 particle we need func to data and data to func macros that do bounds checking
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22:16 chromatic If you have the Perl 5 source, look at F2DPTR and D2FPTR
22:17 particle i haven't it, but that can be fixed
22:19 PerlJam mugwump has a git repository of it  :)
22:19 Ron FPTR2DPTR, right?
22:20 chromatic That's right.
22:26 Ron The first thing I stumbled over on Win x64 was config/auto/pack.pm.
22:26 Ron The _set_ptrconst test
22:28 Ron I'm still a bit puzzled about the relative test ($longsize == $ptrsize) and the absolute value "ul".
22:28 particle my parrot configs and builds on msvc/x64, but when i run it interp is at a different location in every stack frame
22:29 Ron That's just a regular build, right?
22:29 particle yes
22:30 Ron Not a "--intval=long long"
22:30 Ron ahh, ok.
22:30 particle vanilla configure/nmake
22:30 Ron I haven't tried that yet.
22:30 particle there's a long way to go
22:31 Ron With intval "long long" I got a basic interpreter working.
22:31 Ron Something like "hello world" and "ack 1"
22:31 particle cool. can you compile pge, or do you just try examples?
22:31 particle ok
22:32 Ron Well, that's the problem.  The first fault occurs when building PGE. :-(
22:32 Ron But I'm on it.
22:32 particle ja, happens here, too
22:33 Ron I tried building with -RTCcsu, to enable compiler bounds checking.
22:33 Ron Nothing spectecular, just for example the PARROT_ASSERT thingy.
22:35 Ron But you're right, it won't be an easy fix.
22:35 particle yep. has to be done, though.
22:36 Ron So, an INTVAL can basically be any size, unrelated to a pointer, right?
22:37 Ron I got a bit distracted by the ptrsize != intvalsize "warning" in config/auto/sizes.pm
22:41 Ron I need to be off for today, thanks particle++ and chromatic++
22:42 Ron Hope I'll soon have good news from x64.
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23:41 particle Coke: if you get a chance, see if there are old files to be removed in languages/APL/ after pmichaud's conversion to PCT in r25139
23:41 * particle is working on NEWS updates
23:43 chromatic 25 tickets creates this week.  25 tickets closed this week.
23:44 particle (treading water)++
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23:48 chromatic It'd be nice to cut down on the 110 open too.
23:50 chromatic 109 open.
23:52 chromatic 108
23:52 chromatic feel free to join in everyone
23:53 chromatic or else finish editing this article for me...
23:53 * particle has ~2450 lines of svn log still to review
23:54 wknight8111 what article?
23:55 particle coke: please summarize your macports work in NEWS when you get a chance
23:58 chromatic An article completely unrelated to Parrot, Perl, or virtual machines.
23:58 wknight8111 good, because i'm not an expert on parrot, perl, or virtual machines!

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