Camelia, the Perl 6 bug

IRC log for #parrot, 2008-03-20

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01:28 cotto_home is there any reason that email addresses in CREDITS aren't obfuscated?
01:29 Limbic_Region my email address doesn't appear in CREDITS at all, but if it did, I wouldn't care that it wasn't obfuscated
01:30 Infinoid mine is, and I don't care :)
01:30 * Limbic_Region wouldn't mind having his a.k.a. added though
01:31 Infinoid surprising how few a.k.a.s are in there
01:32 Limbic_Region I am not as emphatic as chromatic about concealing my identity but very few people recognize my real name
01:33 cotto_home seen kj
01:33 purl kj was last seen on #parrot 1 day and 9 hours ago, saying: and run make test  [Mar 18 09:10:24 2008]
01:33 Infinoid sorry Limbic_Region, I don't know what your real name is :)
01:34 Limbic_Region Infinoid - http://www.perl.com/pub/au/Gatcomb_Joshua
01:35 Infinoid cool.  Mark Glines here
01:38 Limbic_Region what's really funny is when you meet someone in real life and you chat about people from "online" but you only know them by their handles, and you aren't quite sure how they should be pronounced because you only ever see them on the screen
01:39 Infinoid in-fuh-noh-eed
01:39 Infinoid that's good enough for me :)
01:40 Limbic_Region what about exussum0 ?
01:41 Infinoid woah.
01:42 Limbic_Region Until the user explained what it was, I was reading it as ex (as in former) U.S. sumo (as in wrestler)
01:42 Infinoid heh
01:42 Infinoid I would have guessed it's italian, or something
01:43 Limbic_Region latin
01:43 Infinoid oh, awesome.  Attribute::Handlers doesn't seem to work right on perl 5.10.0
01:54 szbalint at least I have a handle that is easier to pronounce than my name
01:54 szbalint even for native hungarians :)
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03:56 cotto_home it looks like whoever removed runindent.pl forgot to update lib/Parrot/Docs/Section/Tools.pm
03:58 cotto_home should be an easy fix for anyone not in committer purgatory
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04:23 svnbotl r26501 | infinoid++ | trunk:
04:23 svnbotl : Update lib/Parrot/Docs/Section/Tools.pm for the deletion of run_indent.pl.
04:23 svnbotl : Thanks to Christoph Otto for mentioning it!  cotto_home++
04:23 svnbotl diff: http://parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision/?rev=26501
04:25 cotto_home That was quick.  Thanks!
04:26 Infinoid we cage cleaners love it when you tell us "you missed a spot" :)
04:31 cotto_home the cage shows it
04:34 cotto_home hmmm.  apparently I'm supposed to initialize variables before I use them.
04:34 Infinoid heh, that helps
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05:38 svnbotl r26502 | chromatic++ | trunk:
05:38 svnbotl : [docs] Added LWN to list of places to announce new Parrot releases.
05:38 svnbotl : Minor formatting improvements.
05:38 svnbotl diff: http://parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision/?rev=26502
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11:12 svnbotl r26503 | fperrad++ | trunk:
11:12 svnbotl : [install]
11:12 svnbotl : - dotnet test becomes a TODO
11:12 svnbotl diff: http://parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision/?rev=26503
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13:20 Coke LWN?
13:20 purl i guess LWN is Linux Weekly News or at http://www.lwn.net
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13:59 kj For people interested in PCT: part 5 of the PCT tutorial is published.
14:10 Infinoid ooh!
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15:01 * Coke reminds infinoid that _home on a nick is like a blurb telling us where someone is or what they're doing. =-)
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15:03 Infinoid Coke: and that's a problem because...? :)
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15:12 Infinoid kj: I've begun reading through your PCT tuturials, neat
15:12 kj nice :-) thanks!
15:12 Infinoid in episode 2 (http://www.parrotblog.org/2008/03/epi​sode-2-poking-in-compiler-guts.html), the shown parse tree looks a bit redundant, because the <statement> and <value> words got eaten by the html renderer
15:12 shorten Infinoid's url is at http://xrl.us/bhy43
15:13 Infinoid and <integer>
15:13 kj ah i hadn't noticed.
15:13 Infinoid without those, I was wondering why the parse tree had two copies of everything :)
15:13 kj yes, putting in stuff with < and > really sucks in this blog editor
15:14 kj I'll have a look
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15:41 * Coke fails a ton of lua tests...
15:41 Coke # parrot(3022) malloc: ***  Deallocation of a pointer not malloced: 0x7439c4; This could be a double free(), or free() called with the middle of an allocated bl
15:41 Coke ...
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15:45 kj Infinoid: it should be fixed now (episode 2)
15:45 cotto_work valgrind ftw
15:47 cotto_work kj, do you have all the lessons written, or have you been posting them as you write them?
15:47 kj I'm not finished yet
15:47 kj otherwise they'd be a bit better ;-)
15:47 kj i'm too impatient for working in a structured way and do *planning* :-P
15:49 Infinoid its great stuff so far!
15:49 kj that's good to hear! :-)
15:51 cotto_work yes.  It's a huge help to have that kind of step-by-step documentation.
15:52 kj If you find you're missing pieces in your mental puzzle, please drop me a message or mail, so I can fill the gap
15:52 kj it all makes sense to me, kinda, so I don't see what's missing
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15:56 cotto_work I'll certainly make a note of anything odd I run into when I have time to go through it.
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17:01 tewk seen particle
17:01 purl particle was last seen on #parrot 1 day and 18 hours ago, saying: Coke: got a few to update parrotcode.org?  [Mar 18 16:31:11 2008]
17:03 Coke I did that!
17:03 Coke =-)
17:04 * Coke woots, as his membership in the TPF Grants Committee is now officially official.
17:04 ambs_ Coke: :)
17:04 Coke no thanks to ambs_! =-)
17:05 tewk I'm not taking any classes this summer and am planning on applying to do some GSoC work for parrot.
17:05 tewk I've been interested in llvm so I was thinking of doing something with that or with c99.
17:06 tewk But I'd be open to other core hacking ideas that need to get done this summer.  Particle doesn't seem to be around right now.
17:11 ambs Coke: now doing the same with Perrin.
17:11 Coke I could of course use a pair of hands on tcl.
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17:22 * Coke sends out a CFP for SOC on P2
17:23 Coke lua failures I'm seeing are here:
17:23 Coke http://smoke.parrotcode.org/smoke/parrot-smoke-0.6​.0-devel-r26503-unknown--i386-darwin-gcc-default--​1206028444-979--3862-3547-315-132-39-0--6c616e6775​61676573--3ae5449bf2678b24c0b21d922ec677ba.html
17:23 shorten Coke's url is at http://xrl.us/bhzbd
17:28 svnbotl r26504 | bernhard++ | trunk:
17:28 svnbotl : [docs]
17:28 svnbotl : Suggest to update the Parrot Wikipedia entry,
17:28 svnbotl : after making a new release.
17:28 svnbotl diff: http://parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision/?rev=26504
17:28 Coke who owns PIR?
17:29 Coke ah, kj.
17:29 Coke kj: PIR is horribly broken. you aware? =-)
17:30 kj languages/PIR?
17:30 purl i heard languages/PIR was parse-only
17:31 kj I think it's horribly incomplete.
17:32 Coke well, completeness aside, the test suite is borked.
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17:32 kj yes, it's probably got to do with the swtich to PCT
17:32 Coke looks like there was a rename from pir.pbc to pirc.pbc that wasn't tracked.
17:33 Coke same url I threw for lua - PIR fails 100% of tests atm.
17:35 kj I think I should make the test files pure PIR, not wit the language_output_like() calls
17:35 Coke just wanted to let you know of the status. =-)
17:35 kj k, thnx
17:36 Coke I tried a few simple updates, but to no avail, so I punted.
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17:42 Coke ZCode is also broken. can't seem to find the "instantiate" method on the Zmachine object.
17:42 purl okay, Coke.
17:44 Coke (probably because it's trying to use class methods instance of instance methods)
17:44 Coke (class methods no longer work right.)
17:48 ambs Coke: now you should vote too :-P
17:53 * Coke checks his gmail.
17:53 * Coke finds out he might actually be able to attend yapc::europe.
17:53 svnbotl r26505 | bernhard++ | trunk:
17:53 svnbotl : [ports]
17:53 svnbotl : ABI_CHANGES is gone
17:53 svnbotl diff: http://parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision/?rev=26505
17:54 ambs Coke: that would be nice. I would love to meet you
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18:02 Coke ambs: ditto.
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18:22 Coke perrin?
18:22 purl i heard perrin was a pretty decent chap.
18:23 Coke seen perrin?
18:23 purl I haven't seen 'perrin', Coke
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19:25 svnbotl r26506 | coke++ | trunk:
19:25 svnbotl : [docs]
19:25 svnbotl : Convert DONORS to pod to make it easier to display nicely on the website
19:25 svnbotl diff: http://parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision/?rev=26506
19:26 Coke Anyone object to linking to the donors on the navbar on parrotcode?
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19:27 Coke also, any suggestions on re-ordering the nav?
19:28 Coke too slow!
19:31 Coke rdice?
19:31 purl rdice is the YAPC man. or a wearer of falsies or 300 sweaty perl hackers
19:34 cotto_work jk, do you specify the licensing of the code in your tutorials?
19:35 cotto_work s/jk/kj/
19:46 kj cotto_work: haven't done so
19:46 kj is that necessary?
19:47 * Coke wonders why svn.perl.org is not resolvable from work.
19:50 * Coke figures a workaround.
19:53 cotto_work it's a general good idea
19:54 kj cotto_work: any suggestions where I should do that?
19:55 kj that is, where I should put that notice
19:56 cotto_work I'd just put a quick blurb at the top or bottom of each lesson
19:56 kj ok. good point, thanks
19:56 cotto_work something like "all code in this lesson is released into the public domain"
19:56 cotto_work (or whatever)
19:56 * Coke thinks MJD has a tag like that in his UoD blog.
19:57 kj mm. I don't really know what I should put thre.
19:59 cotto_work I wouldn't think about it too hard for an application like this.  Artistic 2.0 would match Parrot and public domain would be trivially easy to understand.
19:59 Coke cygwin fails for me like it always has on this new box, btw.
19:59 Coke I think if you really don't care 'public domain' is most understandable. Then either Art2.0 or CC.
19:59 kj public domain it is then ;-)
20:01 Coke seen chromatic?
20:01 purl chromatic was last seen on #parrot 1 day and 13 hours ago, saying: Or maybe just http://code.google.com/soc/2008/mentor_step1.html  [Mar 19 00:14:04 2008]
20:01 kj I'll fix it tomorrow. Gotta go now. Good night
20:01 cotto_work night
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20:02 cotto_work crud.  I just noticed a bit of brokenness in lesson #3
20:03 cotto_work msg kj under the heading "Squaak Grammar" in lesson 3, an instance of the word 'statement' gets truncated
20:03 purl Message for kj stored.
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20:04 cotto_work msg purl I wonder if purl can msg itself
20:04 purl Message for purl stored.
20:06 davidfetter the eye cannot see itself
20:06 davidfetter the sword cannot cut itself
20:06 davidfetter the purl can, however, /msg itself ;)
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20:35 jjuran seen purl?
20:35 purl purl was last seen on #imager 2 days and 20 hours ago, saying: fountain is pretty cool.  [Mar 17 17:35:31 2008]
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22:37 wknight8111 Which SOC projects are going to be the most useful for parrot? The Garbage collector one looks important, but the PCT optimizers would have a big effect on performance
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23:31 Eevee erm
23:31 Eevee http://www.parrotcode.org/faq/ says parrot has an arbitrary number of registers
23:31 Eevee docs/art/pp002-pmc.pod says the VM has 32 of each type but that PIR supports an arbitrary number
23:32 Eevee latter more correct?

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