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r29660 | jkeenan++ | trunk: |
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: Merge revisionpm branch into trunk. Cf.: |
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dalek |
: http://rt.perl.org/rt3/Ticket/[…]lay.html?id=56948. Refactor |
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r29661 | jkeenan++ | trunk: |
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r29663 | jkeenan++ | revisionpm-29566: |
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r29666 | Whiteknight++ | gsoc_pdd09: |
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Tene |
purl: coke? |
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purl |
rumour has it coke is mailto:will coleda.com or just a figurehead. or http://coke-floats.blogspot.com/ or DietCoke or a pest |
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Tene |
I kinda fixed Coke's hll map problem. |
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japhb |
OK, Tene, drop the other shoe ... |
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r29667 | japhb++ | trunk: |
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: Merge branch 'benchmarks' |
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tewk, chromatic: Not only does it seem to work (well at least, not explode) to treat a ManagedStruct with named members as an array, it seems to be the fastest way to fill at least a small ManagedStruct. See examples/benchmarks/float4.pir |
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there's a significant chance Perl 6 will be much about cross-language communication (of data and calls) |
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masak |
I'm backlogging yesterday's conversation |
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masak |
Perl 6 could end up in a position where it makes such communication very easy |
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but it will take a lot of work |
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Perl 6 is one of the languages that actually acknowledges the existance of other languages ;-) |
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donaldh |
Yeah, that was an interesting discussion. |
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HLL interoperability is one of the things that makes Parrot really attractive |
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r29668 | jkeenan++ | parallel: |
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dalek |
: Add some basic tests. |
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Tene |
japhb: there might be a timing problem. I'm not sure. I fell asleep before verifying it. |
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japhb |
Tene: fair enough |
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japhb |
masak, moritz, donaldh: yeah, I'm with Coke on this one ... Parrot is selling itself not just on the capability to *host* multiple languages, but to get them to interoperate. I want 1.0 as much as anyone, but 1.0 without interop is a non-starter in my mind. If Perl 6 (or Rakudo and thus PCT) force that, so much the better. :-) |
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donaldh |
japhb: hopefully I captured that in my notes http://www.perlfoundation.org/[…]hll_mapping_notes |
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japhb |
donaldh: thanks, reading ... |
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moritz |
japhb: good to hear. I don't think the perl 6 specs actually enforce a particular level of interaction with other languages (except perl 5 perhaps), but it does describe the hooks |
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donaldh |
It sounds like we have a fair amount of work to do before it is a reality tho. |
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japhb |
moritz: nodnod. I suspect that it will end up being the standard-bearer anyway, because outside people are going to want to test the interop capabilities as we enter the beta phase, and Perl 6 does seem to have more written in that vein than most other languages. |
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japhb |
donaldh: yes, but very important work. "Sudden change in programming landscape" important. |
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donaldh |
agreed. |
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moritz |
should I create a ticket? |
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donaldh |
I had assumed that it was closer to a reality. |
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dalek |
r29669 | bernhard++ | trunk: |
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dalek |
: [Pipp] PHP 5.3 is the reference implementation. |
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diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/pa[…]evision?rev=29669 |
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donaldh |
I guess there should be a ticket. But that will not help raise the visibility of the subject. |
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donaldh |
Perhaps a blog would help. |
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moritz |
donaldh: but then we have a ticket ;-) |
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japhb |
donaldh: I knew that HLL_map was incomplete (and I was getting nervous because of how long the Rakudo folks have been working around it, seemingly avoiding the main problem) -- I didn't realize that it wasn't just the implementation, but the whole design that was not done. |
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donaldh |
s/blog/blog entry/ |
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donaldh |
blogs don't help per-se ;-) |
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japhb |
moritz, donaldh: Yes, a ticket is in order. Because then RT-watchers will keep pinging the list if the ticket languishes. |
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donaldh |
:D |
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moritz |
ok, I'll write one |
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donaldh |
japhb: Is that what you do? |
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japhb |
donaldh: And yes, blog entry in order. If we can get more than one person doing so, that would be good .... |
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donaldh |
How long do patches normally sit in the new state for? |
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has submitted a couple. |
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japhb |
donaldh: Nope. There are a couple people who do, though. kid51 comes to mind, but there are definitely others. |
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donaldh |
japhb: did you have a go at making the opengl driver accessible from Rakudo ? |
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moritz |
donaldh: depends on the subsystem, how big the changes are, how easy or hard they are to verify |
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japhb |
donaldh: Oh, that's a weak point. I've definitely been unhappy about tickets left in new state, but unfortunately I don't know enough of the core yet to be a patch manager. Sigh. |
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thinks that a quick hack of 'use' is in order so that .pir and .pbc libs can be 'use'd |
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japhb |
donaldh: I keep bugging jonathan and pmichaud to make it possible, because I have a pile of Perl 5+i OpenGL code that I really want to port to Perl 6. |
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japhb |
Both of them keep saying basically "Yes, we know it's really important, we know a lot of people are asking, we're not ready for that yet. But soon, we promise." |
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japhb |
"Soon" is a getting to be a four letter word on this topic .... |
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donaldh |
Yes, I'd like to start a wee project in Perl 6 but this is a gating feature. |
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Infinoid |
donaldh: (from new ticket discussion above) you're talking about RT #56824 and #56828? |
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japhb |
I didn't just write the Parrot OpenGL bindings out of the goodness of my heart. ;-) |
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Infinoid |
japhb: to be fair, they've been getting closer and closer to that for quite some time now |
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apple-gunkies |
closer to "soon"? :) |
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Infinoid |
for smaller and smaller values of "soon" :) |
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japhb |
Infinoid: I know, and I'm not mad, or complaining that they're not doing useful stuff -- I'm going to want all of the stuff in Perl 6 that they're working on now, when I port the main corpus -- but I'm frustrated that I can't even start *testing*, or finding out what improvements I need to make to OpenGL.pir, and getting started on that. |
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donaldh |
japhb: agreed. I am astounded at the rate of feature development as it is. But I'd like to be able to contribute to the things I need so much and I don't see a way to contribute. |
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japhb |
Which is why I'm happy to be talking to fperrad, who is starting to use OpenGL.pir in a HLL ... he's just writing a ton of PIR to manually re-wrap OpenGL.pir into Lua, which is OK as a stop-gap, but not where we want to be. |
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japhb |
donaldh: exactly. |
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donaldh |
Infinoid: yes, those two tickets. |
| 13:35 |
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Infinoid |
ok, great. #56824 looks relatively harmless for everyone except cygwin, though I don't know why it didn't work on cygwin. (unless your arguments to memalign are totally different from mine on linux.) |
| 13:35 |
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Infinoid |
anyway, I can commit that after tests finish |
| 13:35 |
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donaldh |
okay, cool. |
| 13:36 |
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Infinoid |
I'm going to stare at #56828 a little longer :) |
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japhb |
donaldh: Looking at your HLL_map notes, it's worth including the pros and cons of changing the M*N direct mapping problem to the M+N map-source-to-base-then-base-to-target method. |
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donaldh |
Infinoid: It appears that cygwin memalign expects both the start _and_ size to be aligned. And it expects to be aligned on 64k boundaries 8-( |
| 13:37 |
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moritz |
RT #57190 for HLL Interop |
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japhb |
moritz: thank you |
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donaldh |
moritz++ |
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moritz |
japhb: no problem |
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Infinoid |
yeah, that's bizarre. but fair enough, donaldh++ for diagnosing it |
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japhb |
moritz++ # Good "ticket is closable when" section |
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Infinoid |
donaldh: regarding #56828: any chance you can write a test for it? I believe those formats are tested in t/pmc/nci.t. |
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moritz |
we should make that a requirement for non-bug RT's |
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donaldh |
Infinoid: I was surprised that #56828 wasn't already implemented. I wondered if one of the other signature chars was meant to do void** |
| 13:43 |
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japhb |
donaldh: Would you mind including a link to this morning's discussion in your HLL_map notes, since moritz's ticket points interested parties to your notes? |
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donaldh |
Infinoid: yes, I'll try amd write a test. |
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donaldh |
japhb: yes, I'll do that. |
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japhb |
donaldh: thansk |
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japhb |
er thanks |
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donaldh |
japhb: just reading the backlog. I think Tene was referring to a specific problem Coke was having with HLL_map not working for ResizablePMCArray. |
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japhb |
nod. But "I kinda fixed Coke's hll map problem." demands *some* form of follow up. :-) |
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dalek |
r29670 | infinoid++ | trunk: |
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dalek |
: [config] Apply patch to test_exec_cygwin.in from RT#56824. donaldh++ |
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dalek |
diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/pa[…]evision?rev=29670 |
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dalek |
r29671 | bernhard++ | trunk: |
| 13:53 |
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dalek |
: [Pipp] Regenerate MANIFEST, after inadvertedly adding a file. |
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dalek |
diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/pa[…]evision?rev=29671 |
| 13:56 |
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dalek |
donaldsealgair.com | Intra-HLL Mapping Notes: |
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dalek |
link: http://www.perlfoundation.org/[…]hll_mapping_notes |
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japhb |
donaldh++ |
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dalek |
donaldsealgair.com | Intra-HLL Mapping Notes: |
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dalek |
link: http://www.perlfoundation.org/[…]hll_mapping_notes |
| 14:00 |
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donaldh |
I suspect that TIMTOWTDI will come into force for HLL interoperability. |
| 14:01 |
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donaldh |
Because the community will desire all the pros without any of the cons. |
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DietCoke |
(hll_map) I didn't see a commit, but I saw a comment from tene. |
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DietCoke |
my original test case was malformed in that it wouldn't work even if the original bug was fixed, but there's still an underlying bug. |
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DietCoke |
japhb, tene: you stil lhere? |
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japhb |
DietCoke: yes |
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japhb |
donaldh: Oh, and shouldn't it be 'Inter-HLL' rather than 'Intra-HLL'? |
| 14:20 |
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donaldh |
yes, probably. |
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purl |
Really? Probably? Are you Certain it's not certain? Are you sure it's unsure? I think you need to look harder. |
| 14:20 |
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donaldh |
lol |
| 14:20 |
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donaldh |
thanks purl. |
| 14:23 |
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donaldh |
japhb: any other pros and cons? |
| 14:23 |
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dalek |
r29672 | bernhard++ | trunk: |
| 14:23 |
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dalek |
: [Pipp PCT] Add test for closures, or anonymous subs, that works with php5.3-200807221230 |
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dalek |
diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/pa[…]evision?rev=29672 |
| 14:26 |
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japhb |
donaldh: M+N might force the issue of moving more HLL container types into Parrot, when any two languages share a significant semantic or collection type that the current PMCs don't support. That could be both a pro and a con .... |
| 14:27 |
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donaldh |
Yesterday I was advocating shared PMC implementations with HLL namespaced methods. This is quite similar. |
| 14:27 |
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donaldh |
Agreed, it could be a pro and a con. |
| 14:28 |
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japhb |
M+N might not just dumb things down, but be really slow. |
| 14:28 |
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donaldh |
Also true. |
| 14:28 |
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donaldh |
And be forced to copy. |
| 14:28 |
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japhb |
Yes. |
| 14:29 |
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japhb |
re: freeze/thaw -- this makes sense to me, but only as a fallback; I don't think it should be the generic method, since it's practically guaranteed to be slow. |
| 14:30 |
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japhb |
But it sure is nice to know that if all else fails, or there is no existing mapping (for user-generated types, for instance), there's always something that will minimally work. |
| 14:31 |
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DietCoke |
wow. nothing like subscribing to the smolder failed RSS feed to make you want to TODO failing tests! |
| 14:31 |
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japhb |
DietCoke: heh |
| 14:31 |
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DietCoke |
I highly recommend it for someone else so I don't have to. |
| 14:31 |
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* japhb |
looks pointedly at a cloud |
| 14:31 |
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* donaldh |
hides behind his coffee. |
| 14:32 |
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DietCoke |
looks like netbsd is failing one 'atan' test. |
| 14:32 |
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DietCoke |
http://smolder.plusthree.com/a[…]395#first_failure |
| 14:33 |
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japhb |
For M+N, it might be nice to be able to apply a hint, or even manually run the proper conversion, when the default conversion path loses too much, but another path might work better. |
| 14:36 |
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japhb |
Actually, from my OpenGL experience, it's clear that it's nice to be able to generate a foreign language's container, and manipulate it within the source language as an opaque object with lots of methods. The "at worst, everything is an object" design. |
| 14:37 |
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donaldh |
japhb: re moving HLL PMCs into parrot, both approaches benefit from that. |
| 14:37 |
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japhb |
PDL, OpenGL::Array, ctypes I'm guessing, and so on |
| 14:37 |
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donaldh |
Yes. I'm guessing that is what would be required by a PIR implementation of DBI. |
| 14:38 |
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donaldh |
An opaque PMC that has db drivers behind it and HLL OO methods in front of it. |
| 14:38 |
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japhb |
donaldh: yes, but whereas M*N can get away with *not* moving the HLL PMCs to Parrot, by just doing the direct conversion from HLL to HLL, the M+N method will probably force the issue. |
| 14:39 |
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japhb |
donaldh: nodnod |
| 14:40 |
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japhb |
Speaking of which, It's been a while since I've seen timbunce talking about DBI 2 around here ... though I've missed a few days, so he could have snuck in. :-) |
| 14:40 |
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donaldh |
I haven't ever seen timbunce talking about DBI. |
| 14:40 |
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japhb |
donaldh: Did I get the wrong name? |
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* japhb |
checks .... |
| 14:40 |
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donaldh |
I was thinking of asking if the project is alive or not. |
| 14:41 |
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japhb |
Nope, that's right. |
| 14:41 |
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DietCoke |
no, you got the right name. |
| 14:42 |
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japhb |
He was here quite a while ago saying he wanted to take everything he'd learned from years of Perl DBI, fold in good stuff from other HLL DBI implementations, and create an uber-DBI for Parrot. At the time IIRC he was calling it DBI 2. |
| 14:42 |
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donaldh |
But then I'm in the UK so might not have tz overlap. |
| 14:42 |
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donaldh |
I googled the subject and found a proposal from 2004 called DBDI. |
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Tene |
DietCoke: no, there was no commit. I can't get wireless to connect at the hotel. |
| 14:43 |
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Tene |
DietCoke: also, I'm much more likely to get work done when I stay offline, so I didn't try very hard. I was reporting from my phone. |
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* donaldh |
hates wikis. They are the victim of browser shortcuts that lose edits. |
| 14:46 |
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japhb |
donaldh: either he had a newer proposal, or it's been a lot longer than I thought. |
| 14:46 |
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japhb |
donaldh: s/\. They/ that/ |
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moritz |
karma socialtext |
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purl |
socialtext has karma of -6 |
| 14:46 |
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moritz |
socialtext-- # i can confirm it sucks |
| 14:47 |
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japhb |
Someone forwarded me a job posting recently from socialtext. I had a bad feeling about it, even though I don't use it myself, so didn't pursue. |
| 14:49 |
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donaldh |
I use confluence at work. At least it auto saves. |
| 14:49 |
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nopaste |
"tene" at 63.131.52.132 pasted "fixes coke's problem" (14 lines) at http://nopaste.snit.ch/13631 |
| 14:50 |
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Tene |
DietCoke: ^ is the patch that fixes it. It passes tests, but I haven't committed because I'm unsure if I also need to patch parrot_fetch_arg_nci() in the same file. |
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Tene |
I'm reading it right now. |
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Tene |
I'm not sure what it does, and the "not yet documented" doesn't help. :) |
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Tene |
Eh, I'll patch it and see if the tests pass. |
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Tene |
japhb: ping |
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japhb |
pong |
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Tene |
japhb: do you know what parrot_fetch_arg_nci() does? |
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DietCoke |
br |
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DietCoke |
b |
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Tene |
Eh, looks good, I'll commit after tests pass. |
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japhb |
Tene: not off the top of my head, but I'm happy to try being a second pair of (really tired) eyes ... |
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Tene |
japhb: I'll just use grep. :) |
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japhb |
way ahead of ya. :-) |
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dalek |
donaldsealgair.com | Intra-HLL Mapping Notes: |
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dalek |
link: http://www.perlfoundation.org/[…]hll_mapping_notes |
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DietCoke |
tene: that patch seems to fix my issue with Tcl. |
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dalek |
donaldsealgair.com | Intra-HLL Mapping Notes: |
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dalek |
link: http://www.perlfoundation.org/[…]hll_mapping_notes |
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dalek |
donaldsealgair.com | Inter-HLL Mapping Notes: |
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dalek |
link: http://www.perlfoundation.org/[…]hll_mapping_notes |
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dalek |
donaldsealgair.com | Parrot: |
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dalek |
link: http://www.perlfoundation.org/[…]/index.cgi?parrot |
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DietCoke |
Tene: RT for that is http://rt.perl.org/rt3/Ticket/[…]lay.html?id=56958 if you would like to claim and resolve. |
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DietCoke |
tene++ |
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dalek |
r29673 | tene++ | trunk: |
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dalek |
: Fetch the proper type from the HLL mapping for ResizablePMCArray |
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dalek |
: when processing slurpy params. |
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diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/pa[…]evision?rev=29673 |
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dalek |
r29674 | coke++ | trunk: |
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dalek |
: [tcl] remove faux-executable on clean |
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diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/pa[…]evision?rev=29674 |
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Tene |
DietCoke: you said your example was flawed? TCL can work fine now? |
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Tene |
Coke++ # Gives me easy problems to fix. |
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* japhb |
gets done cleaning up multiple projectile vomits from sick kid |
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japhb |
Tene, are you still looking for help, or all done now? |
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Tene |
japhb: I'm not sure I'm correct about what that function is for, so I can' tbe certain I didn't break something, but all tests pass the same, so I'm not looking for help anymore. |
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japhb |
gotcha |
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Tene |
I just asked you 'cos of all your NCI stuff. |
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dalek |
r29675 | bernhard++ | trunk: |
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: [Pipp] Move some comment tests from hello.t into comments.t. |
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dalek |
: Add a TODO test WRT to end of line comments. |
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diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/pa[…]evision?rev=29675 |
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dalek |
r29676 | coke++ | trunk: |
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dalek |
: [tcl] remove workaround for RT#56958, now resolved |
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diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/pa[…]evision?rev=29676 |
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dalek |
r29677 | coke++ | trunk: |
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dalek |
: [tcl] http://code.google.com/p/partc[…]sues/detail?id=58 |
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dalek |
: Rename more __ subs. |
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diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/pa[…]evision?rev=29677 |
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dalek |
r29678 | coke++ | trunk: |
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dalek |
: [tcl] skip more spec tests we can't pass. |
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diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/pa[…]evision?rev=29678 |
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japhb |
_timbunce: Your DBI-on-Parrot project came up earlier today -- is that still in the works? |
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dalek |
r29679 | bernhard++ | trunk: |
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dalek |
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dalek |
diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/pa[…]evision?rev=29679 |
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_timbunce |
Whoever just spoke to me, please repeat. My irc transcript is empty for some reason. |
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moritz |
18:03 <@japhb> _timbunce: Your DBI-on-Parrot project came up earlier today -- is that still in the works? |
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Infinoid |
_timbunce: [09:03] <@japhb> _timbunce: Your DBI-on-Parrot project came up earlier today -- is that still in the works? |
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Infinoid |
heh. |
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_timbunce |
testing |
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moritz |
he, two echo bots ;-) |
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* Infinoid |
high-fives moritz |
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japhb |
And I didn't even have to repeat myself. :-) |
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japhb |
welcome back |
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purl |
my mind is.. not going. |
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DietCoke |
Tene: I've already removed the workaround in tcl based on that ticket. Thanks. |
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timbunce |
Thanks japhp. Colloquy is acting odd for me. No transcript and I couldn't post anything. |
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timbunce |
You at OSCON? |
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japhb |
timbunce: I wish ... but no. |
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nopaste |
"barney" at 84.154.57.31 pasted "Confused why three comments are parsed differently from two comments" (82 lines) at http://nopaste.snit.ch/13632 |
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timbunce |
japhb: the dbi on parrot project hasn't made much progress lately. My immediate goal is to use GlueGen and the parrot embed api to embed parrot in Java. I got stuck on some OS X JNI linking issues and didn't get back to it. |
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japhb |
timbunce: What stalled the DBI on Parrot project? Too big a goal all at once? |
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DietCoke |
... didn't he just answer that? =-) |
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timbunce |
japhb: I got stuck on some OS X JNI linking issues and didn't get back to it. |
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donaldh |
Yet somehow parrot embedded in Java is a more achievable goal. |
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DietCoke |
timbunce: I think jeff horwitz has stolen your killer app thunder, btw., with mod_parrot. |
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japhb |
DietCoke: perhaps I misunderstood. I thought he said DBI-on-parrot got stuck for reason unstated, and SEPARATELY, Parrot-embedded-in-Java got stuck on JNI problems. |
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timbunce |
DietCoke: I'm not in need of killer app thunder, I've got NYTProf for that :) |
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pmichaud |
barney: in the grammar I'm looking at, a comment can be either: (1) whitespace, (2) a single line of '//' (but not more than one), or (3) a /* ... */ sequence. It's not possible to combine these together. |
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pmichaud |
s/comment/<?ws> |
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japhb |
timbunce: And that looks damn skippy. Someone convince Debian and DAG to package it, so I can use it at work .... ;-) |
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pmichaud |
I suspect it's the "single line of //" that is causing comments to parse funny |
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timbunce |
japhb: I'm hoping to find someone at OSCON to help with the JNI linker issues. I should also write up a presentation about the strategic value of the approach I'm trying to take. |
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donaldh |
timbunce: is there anything worth sharing from the DBI-on-parrot project? |
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timbunce |
donaldh: not yet. Effectively dbi-on-parrot is blocked waiting on embed-parrot-in-java. Anyone want to help with that? |
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pmichaud |
afk # travel to oscon |
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japhb |
timbunce: why are you tying dbi-on-parrot to embed-parrot-in-java. Planning to use jdbc as a backend? |
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japhb |
Oh yeah, excellent punctuation, me. |
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timbunce |
japhb: JDBC as the API definition, JDBC test suite as the test suite. Plus allow java developers access to all parrot code - which is a big deal given that there must be several orders of magnitude more Java developers than parrot developers right now. If just a tiny percentage cross that bridge to help with parrot it would be great. |
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japhb |
NODNOD |
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donaldh |
hence the "strategic value" comment earler. |
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japhb |
What does JDBC do right that DBI 1.x did not? (Feel free to point me to a paper or slideware, if this is a FAQ) |
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timbunce |
japhb: trouble is I'm trying to embed one VM I don't know (parrot) into another VM I don't know (Java) on a platform with unusual dynamic linking (OSX). |
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japhb |
Oh, then you should have no problems then! |
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donaldh |
I'd have thought that libparrot.so could be build with no surprising dependencies. |
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donaldh |
I have embedded libperl.so in Java before so may be able to help. |
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japhb |
And as I recall we (Parrot) use a magic linking flag on OS X that papers over a lot of our ... issues. |
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donaldh |
But I probably wouldn't try it on Cygwin (my current platform) |
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japhb |
I think it might have been tetragon who explained some of that to me, but I've forgotten the details |
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timbunce |
japhb: JDBC is mature, feature rich, stable, documented, and has a good test suite. The *DBI-to-DBD* interface has *none* of those. |
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DietCoke |
timbunce: (NYTProf) I saw that. looks verrrry nifty. |
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DietCoke |
I wish I got paid to perl so i'd have more reason to use it. =-) |
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particle |
25/18.6 |
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purl |
1.34408602150538 |
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timbunce |
DietCoke: Thanks. It's been a blast to work on. |
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japhb |
timbunce: ah. I only have to use the top DBI API, so I see none of the warts, I suppose. |
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japhb |
As soon as I read the posts on NYTProf, my first reaction was: I want *that* for Parrot .... |
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barney |
pmichaud: Thanks for the eyeopener. Somehow there was an implicit '+' on <ws> in my mind. |
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is just reading timbunce's NYTProf blog entry. |
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japhb |
It's the DWIM/. |
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particle |
13/8 |
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purl |
1.625 |
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dalek |
r29680 | bernhard++ | trunk: |
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dalek |
: [Pipp] A saner <ws> token. pmichaud++. |
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diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/pa[…]evision?rev=29680 |
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particle |
i can get a processor that's 35% faster, and uses 35% less power that works with my mobo? for a few hundred dollars? sign me up. |
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japhb |
whiteknight's journal entries are suddenly (as in the last couple hours) missing from http://www.brokd.com/psoc08/ |
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japhb |
particle: in reference to? |
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particle |
OT |
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particle |
oh, replacing my 1.86GHz 80W clovertown with a 2.5GHz 50W Harpertown |
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moritz |
japhb: complain to diment at gmail.com (Kieren Diment), he runs the aggregator |
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particle: ah |
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moritz: done, thanks for address |
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Limbic_Region |
salutations all |
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* moritz |
greets Limbic_Region |
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* Limbic_Region |
has lost his motivation and asks that if anyone finds it that they return it ASAP |
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* moritz |
sold it on ebay already, together with his own motivation |
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* Infinoid |
bought it on ebay and is never giving it back! |
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japhb |
Limbic_Region: Loud music with a strong, fast beat. It's like absorbing motivation sonically. |
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japhb |
sonicly? |
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japhb |
hmmm |
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Infinoid |
aurally? |
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moritz |
acustically? |
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particle |
Limbic_Region: http://www.richardsimmons.com/ |
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Limbic_Region |
japhb - I think I would need one of those fancy directional speakers so that only I could hear it - I live in a cube farm for the government |
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moritz |
they are called "head phones" I believe ;-) |
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japhb |
headset -- with a boom mic, it looks like you're on an important call while your eardrums are being pleasantly assaulted. |
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Limbic_Region |
no, head phones (unless really expensive) bleed sound |
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japhb |
Limbic_Region: how much is your motivation worth, when you figure your hourly rate? |
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Infinoid |
I have a pair of studio cans which totally rock. people always glance at me in surprise when I start pulling them off and suddenly they can hear how loud my music is. |
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japhb |
(Like the old joke about how expensive a helmet to buy: "How much is your head worth?") |
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Limbic_Region |
japhb - I work for the government so I get paid regardless. OTOH, I have personal projects I would like to finish - so quite a bit |
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japhb |
there you go -- consider it an investment in your personal happiness. :-) |
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DietCoke |
Tene: ping. |
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nopaste |
"DietCoke" at 193.200.132.135 pasted "slurpy hll test" (38 lines) at http://nopaste.snit.ch/13633 |
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DietCoke |
eh. check your email. =-) |
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r29682 | coke++ | trunk: |
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dalek |
: [HLL] RT#56958 - add a test to avoid regression. |
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r29683 | coke++ | trunk: |
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: [codingstd] Update to version of Perl::Critic that includes an exception we had to add manually before. |
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dalek |
r29684 | coke++ | trunk: |
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dalek |
: [HLL] Objects also work fine for .slurpy pmc HLL mappings now. |
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dalek |
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dalek |
: mapping, so use an :immediate sub to make sure of it. (tene++) |
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diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/pa[…]evision?rev=29684 |
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Tene |
karma tene |
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purl |
tene has karma of 108 |
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Tene |
Hmm. |
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Tene |
2*2*3*3*3 |
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purl |
108 |
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Tene |
Nice number. |
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moritz |
2**2*3**3 |
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purl |
108 |
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cotto_work |
If someone with c-fu could update the patch in #46681 to fix the missing } in STRERROR_R_EXCEPTION and simplify that macro to be POSIXy if _GNU_SOURCE is undefined, I'd be much obliged. |
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Tene |
Exactly. |
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cotto_work |
I can do it from home later, but having the change here for testing would shorten the cycle. |
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cotto_work |
If somebody's up for that, ping me when it's in RT so I can test it. |
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Tene |
I wonder if we shouldn't throw an exception on an attempt to run .HLL_map on a type ID that hasn't been defined yet. |
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Whiteknight++ #eating cookies in chromatic's honor |
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dalek |
r29685 | Whiteknight++ | gsoc_pdd09: |
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dalek |
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dalek |
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pmichaud |
...use an :immediate sub? |
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pmichaud |
could we have a way instead to dynamically control HLL mapings at runtime? |
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pmichaud |
:immediate subs are Evil. |
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in Rakudo's case, using an :immediate sub won't help or work. |
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pmichaud |
(or if it does, it'll be because we're doing everything in an :immediate sub.) |
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r29686 | jkeenan++ | parallel: |
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: Refactor steps to pull hard-coded lists of files into the step object's data |
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: structure. Add some basic tests. Some tests in gen_parrot_include-01.t need |
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dalek |
: fixing yet. |
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diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/pa[…]evision?rev=29686 |
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chromaticwgz.org | Inter-HLL Mapping Notes: |
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link: http://www.perlfoundation.org/[…]hll_mapping_notes |
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chromaticwgz.org | Inter-HLL Mapping Notes: |
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link: http://www.perlfoundation.org/[…]hll_mapping_notes |
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Andy |
coke: Some day I will remember to drop the "s" in URLs. |
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Whiteknight |
"s" is so bourgeois |
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Whiteknight |
The working class doesn't need this letter of oppression |
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Infinoid |
or any form of literacy whatsoever |
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Infinoid |
all that stuff is an impediment to writing syntactically correct lolcode |
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Whiteknight |
IM IN UR ALFABAT KILLIN UR LETTERZ |
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Infinoid |
5 out of 5 grammatically challenged felines prefer "Z". Down with "S"! |
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Patterner |
Hooray for the working cla! |
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Whiteknight |
WE R TEH WORKIN CLAZZ |
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Infinoid |
I don't know what's worse... that I've just wasted the last 10 minutes catching up on ICHC, or that it only took me 10 minutes. |
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cotto_work |
ichc++ |
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Whiteknight |
ichc? |
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cotto_work |
purl-- |
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purl |
cotto_work: excuse me? |
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cotto_work |
ichc is is http://icanhascheezburger.com |
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cotto_work |
purl, ichc is is http://icanhascheezburger.com |
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purl |
OK, cotto_work. |
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cotto_work |
ichc? |
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cotto_work |
purl, ichc? |
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purl |
cotto_work: bugger all, i dunno |
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cotto_work |
purl's not getting smarter |
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cotto_work |
purl, ichc is http://icanhascheezburger.com |
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purl |
OK, cotto_work. |
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cotto_work |
purl, ichc? |
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purl |
cotto_work: i haven't a clue |
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Infinoid |
purl-- |
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purl |
Infinoid: sorry... |
