Camelia, the Perl 6 bug

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00:01 chromatic Work keeps me busy; have to keep the news hopper full.
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00:11 cognominal Steve has shrinked chromatic : nano-chromatic
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01:02 dalek r30945 | chromatic++ | trunk:
01:02 dalek : [STM] Fixed a typo.
01:02 dalek diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn​/parrot/revision?rev=30945
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01:23 dalek r30946 | jkeenan++ | trunk:
01:23 dalek : Applying additional patch supplied by Andy Dougherty in RT 57920.  Implement use of SIGUSR1.
01:23 dalek diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn​/parrot/revision?rev=30946
01:27 wknight8111 I was going to make some comment like "if i had a dollar for every time I built parrot..."
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01:27 wknight8111 but then i realized that it takes so long to build parrot on my system that it's not really a tenable financial option
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01:34 kid51 wknight8111:  Which slow system would that be (like my 5 y.o. iBook)?
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01:38 wknight8111 I bought this IBM laptop used, back in undergrad
01:38 wknight8111 it's probably 5 or 6 years old
01:38 wknight8111 kid51, you said you had some perl work needed to be done?
01:38 wknight8111 I always like to practice my perl
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01:47 kid51 Whiteknight:  You can plunge in along with everybody else; we had a great response.  I just posted a follow-up to the list and created two new RTs:  58740 and 58742.  Everybody into the pool!
01:47 Whiteknight adult swim!
01:47 purl well, adult swim is putting fake mustaches on everyone.
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03:29 Andy anyone wanna help a cage cleaner get started?
03:30 Andy Just got mail from someone I don't have tuits for.
03:50 Tene kid51, I think, was soliciting help from new cage cleaners.
03:50 Tene There's some mail on the list about it.
03:50 Andy yeah, I know.
03:51 Andy I forwarded the guy's email to the list.
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06:24 bacek g'day
06:24 bacek alloha purl
06:25 moritz is speaking to bots a first sign of insanity? ;-)
06:25 moritz goood localtime() ;-)
06:25 bacek moritz: ;)
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06:26 bacek any waiting bugs, that can be fixed by casual developer?
06:27 moritz bacek: yes, pmichaud reported a bug on Str.rindex
06:27 moritz shouldn't be too hard, it doesn't work right now on non-Str's
06:28 cotto_home this one might be interesting: #42853: [CAGE] API Doc Signature Checker
06:29 bacek moritz: I already added patch to ticket. Few days ago
06:29 moritz bacek: I usually miss those unless they go to the list
06:30 bacek moritz: sorry, my fault. But "add parrot-porters@ to cc" not always displayed in RT.
06:31 bacek cotto_home: good ticket. We probably can use languages/c99 for it
06:31 moritz bacek: did you choose "comment" or "reply" when adding the patch?
06:31 moritz I think "comment" doesn't send any mails
06:32 bacek moritz: reply.
06:32 moritz bacek: weird.
06:33 moritz RT has its subtleties, I think
06:33 bacek moritz: #58644 with patch for rindex
06:33 moritz bacek: I'm testing that right now
06:35 bacek moritz: I'm not sure that explicit casting to String is "good idea"
06:35 masak rakudo: .perl.say for {a => ["b", "c"]}.kv # I have a fun bug for you, too! :)
06:35 polyglotbot OUTPUT["a"␤"b c"␤]
06:35 moritz bacek: it's the usual way we du it in any-str.pir, I think
06:35 masak shouldn't the second line be ["b", "c"] ? :)
06:36 moritz bacek: or by assigning to a $S1 register
06:36 bacek moritz: ok.
06:36 moritz masak: any kind of hash dereferencation flattens lists over-eagerly
06:36 bacek masak: ouch... What this command means?
06:36 masak bacek: :)
06:36 masak moritz: known issue?
06:37 moritz masak: at least to me ;)
06:37 masak I didn't find any RT ticket about it
06:37 moritz masak: I think I didn't open one because I know that list assignment isn't done yet, and jonathan is working on the lazy list branch
06:37 moritz masak: feel free to open one, though
06:38 * masak asked ihrd to report this one
06:38 masak he'd the one who found it
06:38 moritz rakudo: my %a = (a => [[3], [4,5]]); say %a<a>.perl
06:38 polyglotbot OUTPUT[[3, 4, 5]␤]
06:38 NotFound I'm not sure that all C functions must have pod doc. On short static functions for internal usages, and with descriptive names of the functions and his parameters, it's just a vaste of spacetime.
06:38 moritz same thing, different disguise
06:39 masak aye.
06:39 NotFound In addition: We use headerizer to avoid the need to re-check the declarations, and now we have to re-check them for the pod?
06:43 dalek r30947 | moritz++ | trunk:
06:43 dalek : [rakudo] make .rindex work on non-strings, closes RT #58644
06:43 dalek : Patch courtesy by Vasily Chekalkin, bacek++
06:43 dalek diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn​/parrot/revision?rev=30947
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06:44 dalek r30948 | cotto++ | trunk:
06:44 dalek : [dynpmc] make subproxy.pmc's test filename match its pmc filename for #44457
06:44 dalek diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn​/parrot/revision?rev=30948
06:45 bacek karma
06:45 bacek purl?
06:45 purl yes, bacek?
06:45 bacek krama bacek
06:45 bacek karma bacek
06:45 purl bacek has karma of 57
06:46 bacek oh...
06:47 moritz karma pmichaud
06:47 purl pmichaud has karma of 1604
06:48 cotto_home karma cotto
06:48 purl cotto has karma of 110
06:48 cotto_home w00r.  triple digits
06:48 moritz karma cotto_work
06:48 purl cotto_work has karma of 2
06:48 moritz karma cotto_home
06:48 purl cotto_home has karma of 3
06:48 Tene karma tene
06:48 purl tene has karma of 175
06:48 moritz we need to sum them all up ;)
06:48 Tene karma everyone
06:48 purl everyone has karma of 13
06:49 cotto_home everyone++
06:49 moritz karma Auzon
06:49 purl auzon has karma of 19
06:49 Tene karma moritz
06:49 purl moritz has karma of 199
06:49 bacek moritz++ # new anniversary!
06:49 bacek karma moritz
06:49 purl moritz has karma of 200
06:49 bacek ;)
06:50 moritz w00t
06:50 cotto_home msg kid51 #44457 would be a good ticket for one of the recent Perl volunteers
06:50 purl Message for kid51 stored.
06:50 Tene karma dmknopp
06:50 purl dmknopp has karma of 7
06:50 Tene new committer coming up
06:50 Tene karma pmichaud
06:50 purl pmichaud has karma of 1604
06:50 Tene karma jonathan
06:50 purl jonathan has karma of 804
06:51 cotto_home karma c
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06:51 Tene karma c++
06:51 purl c++ has karma of -81
06:51 cotto_home ((c++)--)++
06:51 bacek wow... It's bad...
06:51 Tene karma perl
06:51 purl perl has karma of 536
06:51 Tene karma perl6
06:51 purl perl6 has karma of 21
06:51 Tene karma perl 6
06:51 purl perl 6 has karma of 1
06:51 bacek (c++)++ # language of choice for many years ;)
06:53 cotto_home karma parrot
06:53 purl parrot has karma of 23
06:54 Tene parrot++ # keeping me entertained
06:54 bacek karma gc
06:54 purl gc has karma of -3
06:54 cotto_home blame Whiteknight
06:54 Tene karma malloc
06:54 purl malloc has neutral karma
06:54 bacek gc++ # for keeping whiteknight busy ;)
06:54 Tene karma free
06:54 purl free has karma of -1
06:54 cotto_home karma-- #for keeping Tene busy
06:54 bacek karma free beer
06:54 purl free beer has karma of 10
06:55 Tene karma karma
06:55 purl karma has karma of 59
06:55 bacek karma beer
06:55 purl beer has karma of 232
06:55 bacek wow... "free" should have karma ~ -200
06:55 Hinrik karma amrak sah
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06:56 Hinrik karma amrak lartuen sah
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06:56 Hinrik success
06:56 moritz rakudo: my %a = (a => [[3], [4,5]]); say %a.perl
06:56 polyglotbot OUTPUT[{"a" => [3, 4, 5]}␤]
07:00 Tene Ouch.
07:00 Tene karma polyglotbot
07:00 purl polyglotbot has karma of 1
07:00 Tene polyglotbot++ # fun to write
07:00 masak Tene++ # for writing it
07:01 Tene karma tene
07:01 purl tene has karma of 176
07:02 Tene Hm, 176 = 2*2*2*2*11
07:02 Tene That's a very nice number.
07:04 moritz Tene: I filed RT #58744 for this one (list flattening). If you have some spare time, this might be a good thing to investigate
07:04 Tene gimme rt link
07:04 moritz it makes a real mess of some of the tests
07:04 moritz http://rt.perl.org/rt3/Tic​ket/Display.html?id=58744
07:07 Tene rakudo: say [[3], [4,5]].perl
07:07 polyglotbot OUTPUT[[[3], [4, 5]]␤]
07:07 Tene rakudo: say [[3], [4,5]].item.perl
07:07 polyglotbot OUTPUT[[[3], [4, 5]]␤]
07:08 bacek rakudo: say (a => [[3,4]]).perl
07:08 polyglotbot OUTPUT[("a" => [[3, 4]])␤]
07:08 bacek moritz: they didn't stored flat...
07:08 moritz rakudo: say (a => [[3], [4]]).perl
07:08 polyglotbot OUTPUT[("a" => [[3], [4]])␤]
07:08 bacek rakudo: say (a => [[3,4], [5,6]]).perl
07:08 polyglotbot OUTPUT[("a" => [[3, 4], [5, 6]])␤]
07:08 Tene So it's the assignment...
07:09 bacek rakudo: my $a= (a => [[3,4], [5,6]]); say $a.perl
07:09 polyglotbot OUTPUT[("a" => [[3, 4], [5, 6]])␤]
07:09 bacek Tene: no.
07:09 moritz bacek: yes. Assignment to hash containers
07:09 bacek rakudo: my %a= (a => [[3,4], [5,6]]); say %a.perl
07:09 polyglotbot OUTPUT[{"a" => [3, 4, 5, 6]}␤]
07:09 bacek moritz: yes. gotcha...
07:10 Tene rakudo: say [[3], [4,5]].hash.perl
07:10 polyglotbot OUTPUT[{"3" => [4, 5]}␤]
07:10 Tene rakudo: say (a => [[3], [4,5]]).hash.perl
07:10 polyglotbot OUTPUT[{"a" => [[3], [4, 5]]}␤]
07:10 bacek moritz: try comment out line 25 in src/calsses/Hash.pir
07:12 Tene No luck.  Doesn't help.
07:14 Tene rakudo: say {a => [[3], [4,5]]}.hash.perl
07:14 polyglotbot OUTPUT[{"a" => [[3], [4, 5]]}␤]
07:14 bacek rakudo: my %a= hash(a => [[3,4], [5,6]]); say %a.perl
07:14 polyglotbot OUTPUT[{"a" => [3, 4, 5, 6]}␤]
07:15 bacek rakudo: my $a= hash(a => [[3,4], [5,6]]); my %b=$a; say %b.perl
07:15 polyglotbot OUTPUT[{"a" => [3, 4, 5, 6]}␤]
07:15 bacek rakudo: my $a= hash(a => [[3,4], [5,6]]); my %b=$a; say %b.perl; say $a.perl
07:15 polyglotbot OUTPUT[{"a" => [3, 4, 5, 6]}␤{"a" => [[3, 4], [5, 6]]}␤]
07:16 bacek rakudo: my $a= hash(a => [[3,4], [5,6]]); my %b; %b<a>=$a; say %b.perl; say $a.perl
07:16 polyglotbot OUTPUT[{"a" => {"a" => [3, 4, 5, 6]}}␤{"a" => [[3, 4], [5, 6]]}␤]
07:16 Tene rakudo: my $a= hash(a => [[3,4], [5,6]]); say $a.hash.perl
07:16 bacek rakudo: my $a= hash(a => [[3,4], [5,6]]); my %b; %b<a>=$a<a>; say %b.perl;
07:16 polyglotbot OUTPUT[{"a" => [[3, 4], [5, 6]]}␤]
07:16 polyglotbot OUTPUT[{"a" => [3, 4, 5, 6]}␤]
07:17 bacek rakudo: my $a= hash(a => [[3,4], [5,6]]); my %b; %b<a>=$a<a>; say %b.perl;
07:17 polyglotbot OUTPUT[{"a" => [3, 4, 5, 6]}␤]
07:17 bacek Tene: can you add output of "requestor" name in polyglotbot?
07:17 Tene Sure.
07:18 Tene Give me example output of what you want
07:18 bacek Tene: "bacek: OUTPUT[...]"
07:18 bacek polyglotbot: my %a; say %a.WHAT
07:27 Tene Hm.  Not so easy, perhaps.
07:27 Tene I'll look again tomorrow.
07:27 Tene Need to sleep now.
07:28 bacek Tene: g'night
07:31 dalek r30949 | allison++ | pdd27mmd:
07:31 dalek : [pdd27mmd] Eliminate deprecated 'n_*' opcode in PGE test.
07:31 dalek diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn​/parrot/revision?rev=30949
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07:42 dalek r30950 | allison++ | pdd27mmd:
07:42 dalek : [pdd27mmd] Eliminating deprecated 'n_*' ops from PCT and PCT tests.
07:42 dalek diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn​/parrot/revision?rev=30950
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08:06 dalek r30951 | allison++ | pdd27mmd:
08:06 dalek : [pdd27mmd] Remove no-longer needed underscores from multi name.
08:06 dalek diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn​/parrot/revision?rev=30951
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08:18 Sargun heya
08:18 Sargun is there a parrot backend for gas?
08:18 moritz what's gas?
08:18 purl rumour has it gas is taco bell's fault
08:18 Sargun gas = gnu assembler
08:19 moritz I haven't heard of one, but that doesn't mean much
08:19 moritz but I don't think that parrot has similar ambitions as llvm
08:20 moritz (in terms of being a low-level VM)
08:23 Sargun LLVM sucks
08:23 moritz I can build parrot with llvm-gcc, so it can't suck too much ;)
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08:24 Sargun Well, my first pass of LLVM was getting random "crashes"
08:24 Sargun (seg faults and the like)
08:24 * Tene greets sargun
08:24 Sargun hiya Tene
08:25 moritz immature != sucking, IMHO
08:25 Sargun moritz, its 4 years old.
08:25 Sargun might as well be GNU hurd
08:26 moritz age != maturity
08:27 Tene LHC just completed its first full loop, it looks like.
08:28 moritz OMG WE R ALL GOING 2 DYE
08:28 Sargun Tene, no collision.
08:28 Tene Sargun: I know.
08:28 Tene Sargun: what brings you to #parrot?
08:28 moritz see today's xkcd ;)
08:29 Sargun hehe
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08:29 Sargun Tene, Looking for a virtual machine that allows: A) One to code in assembler, more intel or gas stylel assembler rather than anything too high level
08:30 Sargun B) runs on most platforms maturely.
08:30 Sargun its either gas in cygwin
08:30 Sargun pasm, or llvm
08:30 Sargun llvm's assembly is just...weird.
08:30 Sargun PASM is a bit too high level IMHO.
08:30 Tene What's this for?
08:31 Sargun My own personal enjoyment, and school.
08:31 Sargun Trying to convince my professor to get away from MASM
08:31 Sargun on MS Windows
08:31 Tene You probably want PIR, not PASM.
08:31 moritz that's even more high level ;)
08:31 Sargun PIR is even higher level than PASM
08:31 masak PIR++
08:33 Sargun I'd prefer if I could just take AT&T syntax and dump it to the bytecode.
08:33 Sargun So many VMs are just limited.
08:34 moritz that's because developer's time is limited :/
08:34 dalek r30952 | allison++ | pdd27mmd:
08:34 dalek : [pdd27mmd] Enable custom mark vtable function in CallSignature PMC.
08:34 dalek diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn​/parrot/revision?rev=30952
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08:52 dalek r30953 | chromatic++ | pdd27mmd:
08:52 dalek : [PMC] Fixed in-place promotion during shifts from Integer to BigInt.
08:52 dalek diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn​/parrot/revision?rev=30953
09:11 dalek r30954 | bernhard++ | trunk:
09:11 dalek : #55196: [BUG] print/say opcodes have different float precision
09:11 dalek : add a testcase
09:11 dalek diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn​/parrot/revision?rev=30954
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10:01 dalek r30955 | allison++ | pdd27mmd:
10:01 dalek : [pdd27mmd] Convert 'is_equal', 'is_equal_num', and 'is_equal_str' over to real
10:01 dalek : vtable functions, that do multiple dispatch by default. Also, provide default
10:01 dalek : 'is_equal*' multis for scalars.
10:01 dalek diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn​/parrot/revision?rev=30955
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10:38 dalek r30956 | allison++ | pdd27mmd:
10:38 dalek : [pdd27mmd] Move debug prints for successful multiple dispatch after check for
10:38 dalek : null multi.
10:38 dalek diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn​/parrot/revision?rev=30956
10:41 dalek r30957 | allison++ | pdd27mmd:
10:41 dalek : [pdd27mmd] Change direct multi call to vtable call, to allow for PMCs
10:41 dalek : that override the default multi dispatched vtable function.
10:41 dalek diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn​/parrot/revision?rev=30957
10:51 moritz t/op/gc.t seems to loop in the pdd27mmd branch
10:52 dalek r30958 | allison++ | pdd27mmd:
10:52 dalek : [pdd27mmd] Changing scalar PMC's 'cmp_num' and 'cmp_str' to multis so they don't
10:52 dalek : mask child class multis.
10:52 dalek diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn​/parrot/revision?rev=30958
10:55 dalek r30959 | allison++ | pdd27mmd:
10:55 dalek : [pdd27mmd] Fix reversed logic in 'isne' opcode.
10:55 dalek diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn​/parrot/revision?rev=30959
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11:47 dalek r30960 | allison++ | pdd27mmd:
11:47 dalek : [pdd27mmd] Remove deprecated 'n_*' opcodes from Integer PMC tests.
11:47 dalek diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn​/parrot/revision?rev=30960
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11:54 dalek r30961 | allison++ | pdd27mmd:
11:54 dalek : [pdd27mmd] Updating bad failing test: 20 + 30 should never equal 30, even if
11:54 dalek : the two PMCs added are strings. The 'add' opcode must follow the numification
11:54 dalek : behavior of the PMC.
11:54 dalek diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn​/parrot/revision?rev=30961
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11:58 dalek r30962 | allison++ | pdd27mmd:
11:58 dalek : [pdd27mmd] Remove deprecated 'n_*' opcodes from String PMC tests.
11:58 dalek diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn​/parrot/revision?rev=30962
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12:08 dalek r30963 | allison++ | pdd27mmd:
12:08 dalek : [pdd27mmd] Changing declarations of 'is_equal_string' to match the vtable
12:08 dalek : function name in vtable.tbl.
12:08 dalek diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn​/parrot/revision?rev=30963
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12:32 dalek r30964 | allison++ | pdd27mmd:
12:32 dalek : [pdd27mmd] Enable dump syntax for MultiSubs that does work in the new system.
12:32 dalek diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn​/parrot/revision?rev=30964
12:33 dalek r30965 | allison++ | pdd27mmd:
12:33 dalek : [pdd27mmd] Change test to look for new virtual namespace for multis.
12:33 dalek diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn​/parrot/revision?rev=30965
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13:06 jonathan hi all
13:07 jonathan I've run into various issues today (surrounding obtaining Russian visa for going to Far East Perl - don't ask, the red tape is incredible).
13:07 jonathan So postponing Rakudo day until tomorrow.
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13:09 bacek jonathan: they just warns you ;)
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13:23 pmichaud jonathan: no problem, tomorrow works for me also (probably better for me too, given the way this morning has gone)
13:25 jonathan pmichaud: Cool. Think that I can almost stop running around madly soon.
13:26 jonathan Printer failure just after you ordered a courier and need to print off the docs you want couriering, is rather annoying.
13:26 jonathan Anyway, will do Rakudo stuff tomorrow, when I've got a day that I can fully concentrate on it.
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13:59 mberends all: I would like to contribute a Rakudo based perl6doc for POD6
14:00 moritz cool
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14:08 pmichaud indeed, very cool
14:09 pmichaud particle started an effort in the src/utils directory -- I don't know how far along it is or where it ended up
14:10 particle it's a start, anyway
14:11 pmichaud perl6: my %a = (a => [1,2,3]);  say %a<a>.WHAT;
14:11 polyglotbot OUTPUT[Array␤]
14:11 pmichaud perl6: my %a = (a => [1,2,3]);  say %a.perl;
14:11 polyglotbot OUTPUT[{"a" => [1, 2, 3]}␤]
14:12 pmichaud okay, it's not the hash itself that's flattening the list.
14:12 pmichaud perl6: my %a = (a => [1,2,3]);  say %a.kv.perl;
14:12 polyglotbot OUTPUT[["a", "1 2 3"]␤]
14:12 pmichaud I suspect it's the .kv method
14:12 pmichaud perl6: my %a = (a => [1,2,3]);  say %a.kv[1].perl;
14:12 polyglotbot OUTPUT["1 2 3"␤]
14:12 pmichaud that looks wrong to me.  :-)
14:12 particle indeed
14:13 pmichaud oh yes, definitely.
14:13 pmichaud $S1 = iter[$S1]
14:13 pmichaud looks like it only gets strings out of the iterator :-|
14:13 pmichaud (src/classes/Mapping.pir:107)
14:16 mberends particle's perl6doc.pir outputs pod6 verbatim and discards the ambient source code
14:16 particle mberends: like i said, it's a start
14:17 particle it parses some pod6, generates ast, and emits pod6
14:17 particle this is basically so the parser can be made more complete
14:17 particle then i figured i'd move on to proper emitters
14:18 particle you're very welcome to help. i suggest working on the parser first.
14:22 mberends my Rakudo implemention seems slower to compile/execute but easier for me to code. the parser is doing a decent subset and there are emitters for xhtml and man coming along.
14:22 pmichaud mberends: fantastic!
14:23 moritz mberends: do you have a repository URL that you want to share with us?
14:24 mberends not yet. i want to clean the source a bit (1-2 days) and then svn it up or pass it to you via nopaste
14:25 particle so, this is a parser for pod6 written in perl 6?
14:25 mberends yes
14:26 particle ah, i see. do you use a perl 6 grammar for parsing the pod?
14:26 dalek r30966 | pmichaud++ | trunk:
14:26 dalek : [rakudo]:  spectest-progress.csv update: 158 files, 3288 passing tests
14:26 dalek diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn​/parrot/revision?rev=30966
14:28 mberends no, it's line scanning event based, like perl5's Pod::Parser
14:32 dalek r30967 | pmichaud++ | trunk:
14:32 dalek : [rakudo]:  Fix .kv method on Mapping to not stringify values (RT #58744)
14:32 dalek diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn​/parrot/revision?rev=30967
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14:36 moritz ah, that's the first half of the ticket
14:41 moritz rakudo: say :a.WHAT
14:41 polyglotbot OUTPUT[Pair␤]
14:41 moritz rakudo: say :a.value
14:41 polyglotbot OUTPUT[1␤]
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14:56 dalek r30968 | moritz++ | trunk:
14:56 dalek : [rakudo] add tests for pairs to spectest_regression
14:56 dalek diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn​/parrot/revision?rev=30968
14:56 dalek r30969 | kjs++ | trunk:
14:56 dalek : [pirc] update README file.
14:56 dalek diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn​/parrot/revision?rev=30969
14:57 moritz svn--
14:57 moritz dalek knows about my commit, and here locally it still hangs
14:59 particle hangs, or is throttled?
14:59 moritz hang
14:59 moritz not even control+c interrupted it
15:00 NotFound moritz: same has happened to me a lot of times.
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15:00 NotFound Usually, waiting some time it returns. When tcp timeout, I suppose.
15:00 * moritz blames the svn server, and the client for being non-interruptable
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15:33 rurban Another license question: May I copy C code from a BSD project? kaffe (jvm) is LGPL and GPL but the license owner went bankrupt and the new owner is ... well somewhere
15:36 pmichaud rurban: (a random thought)  maybe it would be better to put this stuff in a separate repo? (more)
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15:36 pmichaud you wouldn't have to worry about licensing issues, and since you're the one working on Parrot install issues it might be good for you to blaze-the-trail for how libraries-outside-of-the-repo integrate with Parrot
15:37 rurban With a seperate licence, you mean? A aspeerate license wil only raise the speed of the first initial prototype. Then after some months I assume the initially borrowed reader code will completely go away.
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15:37 rurban I found now a BSD source of aJVM classfile reader.
15:38 pmichaud okay, it was just a thought.
15:38 pmichaud as far as what's permitted and what isn't, I'm not the person to answer those :-)
15:39 rurban I understand Allison because she wants to keep the repo clean.
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16:01 rurban Just testing schwern's parallel test #57530 on cygwin with 2 cores: Lots of "Use of uninitialized value" but not bad. Just spec/S04-statements/for.rakudo 31 failed
16:02 moritz rurban: did you update trunk to r30967 or earlier?
16:03 moritz s/trunk/your working copy/
16:03 rurban r30943
16:03 moritz the warnings are normal
16:03 moritz that explains the failure in for.rakudo
16:03 moritz is it faster than serial test?
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16:03 rurban ha! Warning: trailing whitespace in line 29 of languages/perl6/t/harness
16:05 moritz rurban: that can easily be fixed
16:05 rurban I'll update the ticket then with my results. A msvc test would be nice.
16:06 particle yes, in vim i type ",ts" and all trailing spaces in the current buffer are removed
16:06 particle " remove trailing whitespace
16:06 particle map  ,ts :%s/\s\+$//<Enter>
16:06 particle imap ,ts <Esc>:%s/\s\+$//<Enter>a
16:07 * moritz adds that to his ~/.vimrc
16:07 rurban In Xemacs it's simplier :)
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16:08 rurban Shift-F5 <space>+$<enter><enter>
16:08 nopaste "particle" at 98.232.28.49 pasted "my .vimrc" (128 lines) at http://nopaste.snit.ch/14009
16:08 moritz I don't know if 5 key strokes are really easier than 3 ;)
16:09 rurban You had a macro which is fooling. With a macro I'm at one keystroke
16:10 moritz ok, without a macro it's :%s/\s+$//
16:10 rurban This could have gone to chromatics hack book
16:11 moritz anyone on macosx or windows (not cygwin) here?
16:11 rurban I'm still getting the "Use of uninitialized value" with latest revision
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16:12 moritz yes, that's expected
16:13 NotFound That remembers me a disucssion about if it was more efficient to set ctrl-alt-supr to halt or to reboot X-)
16:13 particle i'm on windows, but without a working compiler
16:13 moritz meta-x ctrl-x butterfly ;)
16:14 NotFound Counting keypresees, and making a statistic of wheter who may times each result was wanted.
16:18 rurban I can verify moritz' cygwin test: no noticable speed difference at all. even a bit slower
16:20 moritz probably because windows doesn't do forking
16:21 moritz maybe we should just set the default number of parallel tests to 1
16:22 moritz so cygwin users won't get harmed, and everybody else benefits
16:22 rurban 3 sounds good because it does no harm at all and may help on better platforms
16:22 rurban the speed diff is in microsecs
16:24 moritz ok
16:24 moritz so neglictible
16:24 rurban I'll test now my branch on all my virtual machines.
16:24 rurban and MSVC6
16:26 rurban Ha, I only got Test::Harness 3.12. I'll test with 3.13 now
16:28 rurban That was IT! Two times faster on cygwin now with 3.13
16:28 rurban 137 secs against 78 now
16:29 moritz cool
16:33 dalek r30970 | allison++ | pdd27mmd:
16:33 dalek : [pdd27mmd] Rework the Ref PMC tests because 'add' no longer modifies the
16:33 dalek : destination by default.
16:33 dalek diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn​/parrot/revision?rev=30970
16:34 particle umm... moritz? 2jobs: 4m, 1job: 2m?
16:34 moritz particle: oh, I confused the two
16:34 particle *phew*
16:34 moritz particle: it's the other way round, of course
16:36 particle http://hasthelhcdestroyedtheearth.com/
16:37 * moritz wonders if there's any IRC channel on which he won't see that link today
16:37 moritz probably #idle ;)
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16:38 Infinoid [09:37] <@Infinoid> http://hasthelhcdestroyedtheearth.com/
16:38 moritz lol
16:39 rurban BTW: Brookhaven's LHC wasn't allowed to start, because US politicians were not that scientific
16:39 moritz so it's good that the earth can be destroyed from europe as well ;-)
16:40 rurban I remember that almost all evil started here.
16:40 NotFound rurban: did you talk about Pascal?
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16:41 rurban I visited CERN some time ago but was not allowed to see it.
16:41 rurban Haskell also
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16:54 rurban hmm, mingw is not stable. vanillaperl with a working gcc says: inter::progs -        Determine what C compiler and linker to use...Compilation failed with 'gcc'
16:54 rurban But MSVC works okay.
16:55 moritz you can pass the --verbose option to configure to see what's going on
16:55 moritz (but I guess you know that already)
16:57 rurban I see. --cc=cl --link=link should be it
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17:02 rurban Now it fails with mingw "ar" as lib. Bad. The librarian has no Configure option
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17:19 dalek r30971 | rurban++ | cygwin070patches:
17:19 dalek : fix MANIFEST, win32 readme for msvc-gcc mix
17:19 dalek diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn​/parrot/revision?rev=30971
17:19 rurban Where are the MSVC dcs for the libparrot.lib importlib quirks?
17:19 rurban dcs=>docs
17:20 dalek r30972 | allison++ | pdd27mmd:
17:20 dalek : [pdd27mmd] Remove deprecated 'n_*' opcode from read-only PMC test.
17:20 dalek diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn​/parrot/revision?rev=30972
17:22 dalek r30973 | allison++ | pdd27mmd:
17:22 dalek : [pdd27mmd] Remove unnecessary '__' in multi name.
17:22 dalek diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn​/parrot/revision?rev=30973
17:23 moritz can sombody help me with Configure.pl?
17:23 moritz I want it to stop passing the -Wl,-E option to the linker
17:23 moritz (because llvm-ld doesn't understand it)
17:24 particle you probably want to adjust your hints file to deal with llvm
17:24 moritz oh wait, just solved my problem myself ;)
17:25 rurban MSVC does not like the explicit "msvcrt.lib" in C_LIBS. Witout it links fine.
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17:51 was kicked by particle: too many bounces
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18:16 NotFound moritz: ping
18:17 moritz NotFound: pong
18:18 NotFound moritz: your message in the list about 'interp' undeclared identifier... Have you tried to add an #ifdef PARROT_INTERP to see what says?
18:20 moritz NotFound: I haven't because I have clue of the internals
18:21 NotFound Just try: #ifndef PARROT_INTERP \n #error Doh! \n #endif
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18:22 NotFound Somewhere at the beginning of default.pmc
18:25 moritz NotFound: doesn't have any effect
18:27 NotFound Must be a macro expansion problem, then.
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18:32 NotFound The problem is clearly at CONST_STRING, not the interp thing... I think I got it: expanded CONT_STRING refers to his line number... but the line number of the PMC, and looks like llvmc does not honor the #line directives.
18:33 NotFound The .pmc, I mean.
18:34 moritz I'll check later
18:35 NotFound I'll put on the mailing list.
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19:06 szbalint is there an alternative online repository browser that is not parrotvm.org? It's timing out all over the place for me and I wouldn't want to mirror the whole repo just to track down a change...
19:08 PerlJam szbalint: if you used git you'd already have a mirror of the whole repository  :)
19:09 moritz szbalint: http://perlcabal.org/svn/p​arrot/revision/?rev=30945 but I guess it's the same server as parrotvm.org
19:10 szbalint thanks, the perlcabal link is much faster :)
19:12 pmichaud PerlJam: got back to crp just in time, eh?
19:13 PerlJam pm: yep.  I don't even have a house yet, but I'm getting things ready at my sister-in-law's
19:18 PerlJam in a few minutes I'll be trudging back out into the heat to anchor down two play-house thingies so that they don't blow away.
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19:51 moritz pmichaud: do you have any objections to testing rakudo in parallel by default?
19:51 pmichaud as long as spectest_regression continues to run and we don't break things on well-known platforms, no objection
19:52 moritz ok
19:54 ewilhelm moritz, are you currently working on applying that patch?
19:54 moritz ewilhelm:  blocking on more test reports from other platforms
19:58 muixirt moritz, are there known issues with x86-64 w.r.t. rakudo?
19:58 ewilhelm moritz, would defaulting to jobs=1 speed-up the application?
19:58 ewilhelm just apply it, then test?
19:58 moritz ewilhelm: no, that's not a blocker
19:59 moritz muixirt: I know of none
19:59 moritz ewilhelm: appy it, test it, report to me.
19:59 muixirt moritz, just a sec
20:00 TimToady phone
20:03 NotFound Some objection to commit now the addition of -I and -L options to parrot command line?
20:03 ewilhelm moritz, you need tests on amd64 linux?
20:04 moritz ewilhelm: not really, parrot+perl should abstract that away
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20:06 ewilhelm moritz, so what reports do you need?
20:06 muixirt moritz, t/spec/S16-io/basic-open definitly hangs on my x86-64 linux machine
20:06 NotFound Objectionability timed out
20:06 moritz ewilhelm: windows/msvc, macos,*BSD
20:07 dalek r30974 | julianalbo++ | trunk:
20:07 dalek : add -I and -L options to parrot command line
20:07 dalek diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn​/parrot/revision?rev=30974
20:07 moritz muixirt: please file a bug report if you haven't already
20:08 muixirt moritz, i was afraid you would say this ...
20:09 moritz muixirt: and to enable the rest of the testing, temporarily remove that test from t/spectest_regression.data
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20:12 cotto_work seen kid51
20:12 purl kid51 was last seen on #parrot 18 hours, 24 minutes and 59 seconds ago, saying: Whiteknight:  You can plunge in along with everybody else; we had a great response.  I just posted a follow-up to the list and created two new RTs:  58740 and 58742.  Everybody into the pool!
20:13 NotFound Now you can do: ./parrot -I examples/nci -L examples/nci compilers/nqp/nqp.pbc examples/nci/xlibtest.nqp
20:13 NotFound Well, the .nqp does not use the include, but it does not harm.
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20:30 dalek r30975 | julianalbo++ | trunk:
20:30 dalek : fix segfault in example Xlib when failed to open display
20:30 dalek diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn​/parrot/revision?rev=30975
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20:37 dalek r30976 | allison++ | pdd27mmd:
20:37 dalek : [pdd27mmd] Remove deprecated 'n_*' opcodes from BigInt tests.
20:37 dalek diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn​/parrot/revision?rev=30976
20:45 moritz NotFound: did I get this right, that parrot build depens on the C compiler reporting the correct line number?
20:46 particle yes, it does
20:46 NotFound moritz: the CONST_STRING machinery depends on that, right.
20:47 moritz funny thing to do ;)
20:47 NotFound We have the Large Line Number Collider.
20:48 moritz lol
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21:29 cotto_work {-}++
21:31 NotFound cotto_work: Is that a perl6 operator?
21:32 moritz it's the "plonk" operator ;)
21:32 jonathan It's a plausible looking sequence of non-alphanumerics, so probably. ;)
21:34 moritz jonathan: may I ask you to test the latest parallel-testing-patch on windows?
21:35 cotto_work NotFound, no idea.  I just noticed that someone joined with that name.
21:35 moritz hey, you can even use \ as a nick
21:36 cotto_work Although I guess it could be if you wanted it to. ;)
21:37 NotFound I know a guy nicknamed \dev\null
21:37 jonathan moritz: Bit tired now, will do tomorrow at start of Rakudo day.
21:37 jonathan Badger me if I forget.
21:37 moritz jonathan: ok, no problem
21:48 rurban NotFound: Your r30975 fix to "fix segfault in example Xlib when failed to open display" does not work for me.
21:48 NotFound rurban: Maybe you forget to rebuild the pbc?
21:49 cotto_work NotFound, why does the code load a pbc instead of the pir?
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21:49 rurban There's no pbc
21:50 NotFound cotto_work: why not?
21:50 rurban DisplayName: "" \n Hello \n segfault
21:50 cotto_work because you have to compile the pir
21:51 rurban I should say that the X server is also not running.
21:51 NotFound cotto_work: good point.
21:52 NotFound rurban: can you -t it?
21:53 rurban ../../perl6 xlibtest.p6 works correct: Cannot open display + trace
21:53 dalek r30977 | allison++ | pdd27mmd:
21:53 dalek : [pdd27mmd] Fix calls to overflow in Integer PMC, so redispatch to MMD can use
21:53 dalek : full original signature.
21:53 dalek diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn​/parrot/revision?rev=30977
21:55 nopaste "rurban" at 212.183.51.65 pasted "cygwin segfault with empty DISPLAY" (39 lines) at http://nopaste.snit.ch/14011
21:56 nopaste "rurban" at 212.183.51.65 pasted "ok with p6 with empty DISPLAY" (12 lines) at http://nopaste.snit.ch/14012
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22:01 cotto_work when's the mmd merge planned for?
22:02 NotFound rurban: that trace lacks the part where the display is opened.
22:02 moritz cotto_work: I don't think before the release on tuesday (but I don't really know)
22:03 cotto_work I wouldn't expect it before Tuesday, but it sounded like it was getting pretty close.
22:03 nopaste "rurban" at 212.183.51.65 pasted "-t with empty DISPLAY (first part)" (69 lines) at http://nopaste.snit.ch/14013
22:07 NotFound rurban: some more opcodes
22:09 rurban I know why
22:10 rurban It must be: load_bytecode 'Xlib' not .pbc (extension automatically)
22:10 rurban so it found an old Xlib.pbc in runtime library
22:10 rurban now it works correct
22:11 NotFound Ah, good.
22:11 nopaste "rurban" at 212.183.51.65 pasted "fix examples/nci/xlibtest.pir" (14 lines) at http://nopaste.snit.ch/14014
22:12 rurban I'll also sleep now, bb
22:12 moritz good idea, good night
22:12 cotto_work looks like at least 38 failing tests, so it might be a little while
22:13 cotto_work 'night
22:13 moritz (also rakudo build segfaults)
22:13 NotFound I tested today, and it blocks in t/ops/gc.t
22:13 cotto_work NotFound, it doesn't block but it does take a long time.
22:14 NotFound cotto_work: long that 5 minutes?
22:15 NotFound Will retry.
22:15 cotto_work I don't know exactly how long.  I just noticed that it was taking a long time when I checked if the test suite was done.
22:15 NotFound My machine is not very fast, BTW
22:16 nopaste "cotto_work" at 131.107.0.101 pasted "test results for r30977 in mmd branch" (39 lines) at http://nopaste.snit.ch/14015
22:17 cotto_work That's x86/Debian.
22:18 NotFound 1 TODO passed.
22:30 NotFound cotto_work: at first look many of them are related to bigint
22:33 cotto_work I was just checking out of idle curiousity.  I'm sure chromatic and allison are very aware of which tests are failing and how to fix them.
22:34 cotto_work (and anyone else hacking that branch)
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22:34 NotFound An additional eye always can be helpful
22:34 szbalint good $localtime
22:35 cotto_work very true
22:37 cotto_work wow.  It's $localtime already!
22:39 szbalint kid51: I was thinking about taking RT #46783 , but when I looked at smartlinks.t it turned out the TODO-ed tests do not actually create files temporary or otherwise. I'm just a little confused now, is there some policy to create special test files to _read_ from, instead of using 'docs/pdds/pdd03_calling_conventions.pod' for example, or the todo is a false alarm?
22:41 kid51 szbalint:  Good to hear from you.
22:42 kid51 I actually know little about those RTs.   They were created en masse about a year ago by another 'cage-cleaner'.
22:42 kid51 And he no longer has the same time available for the project.
22:42 kid51 I stumbled upon them just a few nights ago.
22:42 kid51 So I'm as new to them as you are.
22:43 kid51 I suspect we'll have to look at the whole bunch of them and see where to begin.
22:43 szbalint ah I see
22:45 NotFound I killed several cage tickets of that sort when discovered that were related to unused and already deleted code.
22:45 NotFound So no wonder if some of them are outdated.
22:46 NotFound They are useful anyway, if they help to detect unused code.
22:46 kid51 szbalint:  cotto_home suggests RT 44457 might be good to look at
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22:47 cotto_work yup.  That should be a fairly easy one to tackle for anyone who knows Perl.
22:47 josh hi ya'll
22:48 kid51 Hi, Josh.  BTW, we have many Josh-es here.  Which one are you?
22:48 szbalint someone's already tackling the problem apparently
22:48 szbalint at least according to RT
22:48 josh i'm very new to parrot - i'm playing around with it, and i wanted to try running a test using the c99 compiler, e.g. ./parrot languages/c99/c99.pir examples/c/test_main.c
22:49 josh uh....i'm the *unkown* josh   :)
22:49 kid51 szbalint:  Don't let that stop you from taking a look at it.  The person who posted today is just as much a noob as you are -- or as I would be if I looked into that ticket.
22:49 cotto_work szbalint, are you referring to 44457?
22:49 szbalint cotto_work: yeah
22:49 cotto_work go ahead.  That's me.
22:49 cotto_work nm
22:49 cotto_work I thought you were referring to the one who took it, not Igor.
22:50 cotto_work I'm definitely not him.
22:50 josh ....i'm getting: error:imcc:No such file or directory in file 'languages/c99/c99.pir' line 56 - which when i check c99.pir it looks like the files referenced there exist
22:51 kid51 szbalint:  Most of the Perl 5-ish tickets we either have now or are likely to have in next several months are likely to require some study of obscure corners of the distro.
22:51 kid51 We pick the low hanging fruit quite quickly.
22:52 kid51 I will be looking to generate new RTs for people to work on, but don't wait on me!
22:52 NotFound josh: are you executing it from the languages/c99/ directory?
22:52 josh notfound: i tried that also with the same result
22:53 josh my obvious conclusion is that i don't understand the basics of running parrot
22:53 josh perhaps i'm looking in the wrong places, however i was unable to find any helpful documentation on this
22:53 josh hence, looking for pity-help on irc
22:53 kid51 josh:  So did you run:  'perl Configure.pl; make; make test' ?
22:54 josh kid51: yes, otherwise it's kinda hard to run a ./parrot
22:54 szbalint It's very useful to have a list of cage cleaning tasks as it provides a less steep learning curve than just trying to hack on parrot internals right away. A good way to get involved.
22:55 NotFound josh: given that c99 has no README and no doc, is hardly your fault.
22:57 josh notfound: i see
22:58 NotFound josh: for me it says "Failed to parse source"
22:58 NotFound $ ../../parrot c99.pir ../../examples/c/test_main.c
22:58 NotFound Failed to parse source
23:00 josh notfound: $ ../../parrot c99.pir ../../examples/c/test_main.c still gives me the "no such file or directory" issue - i'm using the 0.7.0 build fwiw
23:00 NotFound josh: did you execute make on languages/c99 ?
23:00 josh aha! no, i didn't
23:01 josh now i get the "Failed to parse source" error - fun
23:01 NotFound After building parrot, you must build each language you want to test.
23:01 NotFound Well, at least now it not your fault, is c99's fault ;)
23:02 kid51 szbalint:  True, but for most of this year there has been exactly one cage-cleaner:  me.  So the list existed in my head.
23:02 kid51 Or, at least the Perl 5 part of that list was in my head.
23:02 kid51 Here is a search query you can use at rt.perl.org to locate [CAGE] RTs:
23:03 NotFound There is a link at the "Usefull RT queries" pages.
23:04 kid51 http://tinyurl.com/4wwnct
23:05 kid51 And here's one for [TODO] items:  http://tinyurl.com/5efpbr
23:07 kid51 And here's one for [BUG] RTs:  http://tinyurl.com/59dmc4
23:07 kid51 And here's one for [PATCH] RTs:  http://tinyurl.com/5jfj43
23:08 szbalint nice
23:08 kid51 Bookmark 'em ... and life will be sweet!
23:09 * kid51 focuses on doughera's latest patch.
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23:31 szbalint kid51: anyhow, I've submitted a patch for #46783 - forgot to cc the list though so I'm telling you now :)
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23:34 kid51 szbalint:  Thanks.  I'll take a look at it, hopefully tonight.
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23:53 dalek r30978 | jkeenan++ | trunk:
23:53 dalek : Applying 3rd patch submitted by Andy Dougherty in RT 57920.  Logic of how step conducts probe for AIO is improved, but no better results on Darwin.
23:53 dalek diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn​/parrot/revision?rev=30978
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