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Message |
| 00:04 |
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dalek |
r33469 | jonathan++ | trunk: |
| 00:04 |
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dalek |
: [rakudo] Track changes in namespace/class symbol handling in Parrot in code to convert multis to Perl6MultiSub. |
| 00:04 |
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dalek |
diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/pa[…]evision?rev=33469 |
| 00:04 |
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particle1 |
jonathan: does that fix spectest failures? |
| 00:05 |
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jonathan |
particle1: Either alone or along with the patch that followed it, yes. |
| 00:05 |
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particle1 |
excellent. jonathan++ |
| 00:05 |
|
dalek |
r33470 | jonathan++ | trunk: |
| 00:05 |
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dalek |
: [rakudo] Implement some missing methods and add some documentation to the Perl6MultiSub PMC. |
| 00:05 |
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dalek |
diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/pa[…]evision?rev=33470 |
| 00:06 |
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jonathan |
Hmm, the cache got disabled. Wonder if that was an attempt to fix things up. |
| 00:06 |
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* jonathan |
re-enables it and re-smokes. |
| 00:08 |
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chromatic |
Nothing I did. |
| 00:08 |
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chromatic |
On purpose. |
| 00:09 |
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| 00:09 |
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jonathan |
chromatic: Curious. |
| 00:09 |
|
* purl |
gives the small curious key to Bilbo. Thorin sits down and starts singing about gold. |
| 00:09 |
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jonathan |
chromatic: Anyway, fixed the problem now. |
| 00:19 |
|
dalek |
r33471 | jonathan++ | trunk: |
| 00:19 |
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dalek |
: [rakudo] Re-enable multi dispatch caching, tests continue passing. |
| 00:19 |
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dalek |
diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/pa[…]evision?rev=33471 |
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| 00:25 |
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Tene |
pmichaud: why is that code commented out? |
| 00:26 |
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Tene |
in p6object.t? |
| 00:31 |
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| 00:43 |
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dalek |
r33472 | tene++ | trunk: |
| 00:43 |
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dalek |
: [t/library/p6object.t] |
| 00:43 |
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dalek |
: * Remove dead code |
| 00:43 |
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dalek |
: * Add a test for adding the protoobject to an EXPORT::ALL subnamespace |
| 00:43 |
|
dalek |
diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/pa[…]evision?rev=33472 |
| 00:43 |
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Tene |
purl: karma tene? |
| 00:43 |
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purl |
tene: i haven't a clue |
| 00:43 |
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Tene |
karma tene? |
| 00:43 |
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purl |
tene has karma of 314 |
| 00:44 |
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Tene |
157*2 |
| 00:44 |
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purl |
314 |
| 00:47 |
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| 00:49 |
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Tene |
I like adding passing tests |
| 00:57 |
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dalek |
r33473 | jonathan++ | trunk: |
| 00:57 |
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dalek |
: [rakudo] .perl for proto-objects. |
| 00:57 |
|
dalek |
diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/pa[…]evision?rev=33473 |
| 00:57 |
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dalek |
r33474 | jonathan++ | trunk: |
| 00:57 |
|
dalek |
: [rakudo] First cut of .perl for Signature. |
| 00:57 |
|
dalek |
diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/pa[…]evision?rev=33474 |
| 00:57 |
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dalek |
r33475 | jonathan++ | trunk: |
| 00:57 |
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dalek |
: [rakudo] When we have an ambiguous dispatch, report the signatures of the candidates that were ambiguous. |
| 00:57 |
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dalek |
diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/pa[…]evision?rev=33475 |
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| 01:29 |
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GeJ |
/win 4 |
| 01:29 |
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GeJ |
sorry |
| 01:29 |
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Coke |
all this time I was blaming ical/iphone/google for the parrotsketch event being in the wrong time half the year. turns out it's particle's fault. |
| 01:34 |
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Infinoid |
as it shoulddddddddddddd be. |
| 01:34 |
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Infinoid |
hmm, keyboard fail |
| 01:36 |
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Coke |
parrotsketch? |
| 01:36 |
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purl |
hmmm... parrotsketch is a status meeting for parrot core committers held every Tuesday at 18:30 UTC in #parrotsketch |
| 01:38 |
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| 01:38 |
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Coke |
p6? |
| 01:38 |
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purl |
p6 is prototype OO or the future, and it still supports MI via C3, so 6<->5 compat is enhanced by having c3 available in 5 |
| 01:38 |
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Coke |
perl6? |
| 01:38 |
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purl |
i think perl6 is see Perl 6 |
| 01:38 |
|
Coke |
phone? |
| 01:38 |
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purl |
phone is probably always interrupting |
| 01:38 |
|
Coke |
chromatic? |
| 01:40 |
|
Coke |
msg particle I changed comp.lang.parrot calendar on google to be GMT instead of pacific time. |
| 01:40 |
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purl |
Message for particle stored. |
| 01:40 |
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Coke |
msg particle so now the meeting actually shows up at the right time when viewed through the lens of DST. |
| 01:40 |
|
purl |
Message for particle stored. |
| 01:40 |
|
Coke |
pmichaud? |
| 01:40 |
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purl |
i think pmichaud is http://www.pmichaud.com/ or "Patrick R. Michaud" <mailto:pmichaud pobox.com> or in charge of toaster experiments |
| 01:40 |
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jonathan |
Coke: Erm, shouldn't it have been UCT? |
| 01:55 |
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Infinoid |
utc ftw |
| 01:57 |
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Coke |
jonathan: I'm not sure that's a choice. |
| 01:57 |
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* Coke |
picked GMT/no DST |
| 01:59 |
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Infinoid |
that should work |
| 02:02 |
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jonathan |
Aye. |
| 02:06 |
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jimmy |
coke: i improved indent_pir.vim |
| 02:06 |
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Coke |
Saw that got applied. |
| 02:06 |
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Coke |
right? |
| 02:07 |
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jimmy |
yes, what does your script do? that perl script |
| 02:07 |
|
Coke |
it was deleted. |
| 02:07 |
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jimmy |
poor engliash :( |
| 02:07 |
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jimmy |
it's difficult to indent every pir codes under runtime with using vim. |
| 02:14 |
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* jonathan |
-> sleeeeeeeeeep |
| 02:27 |
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| 02:27 |
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Coke |
jimmy: it used to work by trying to parse an existing PIR file and reformatting it; it only handled a fraction of what a real pirtidy would do. |
| 02:28 |
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Coke |
you can dig back through svn in the tools/ directory if you want to see it. |
| 02:28 |
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Coke |
kid51: hio. |
| 02:28 |
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| 02:28 |
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* Coke |
wanders back to his other computer |
| 02:29 |
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kid51 |
Coke: yo |
| 02:32 |
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dalek |
r33476 | tewk++ | trunk: |
| 02:32 |
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dalek |
: [vim] added :nsentry |
| 02:32 |
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dalek |
diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/pa[…]evision?rev=33476 |
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| 02:37 |
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Coke |
lazyirc, can you convert 3pm eastern today to gmt? |
| 02:37 |
|
Coke |
time? |
| 02:37 |
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purl |
time is 02:37:11 2008 and (did you mean "clock"?) or flowing like a river |
| 02:37 |
|
Coke |
clock? |
| 02:37 |
|
purl |
Coke: LAX: Wed 6:37pm PST / CHI: Wed 8:37pm CST / NYC: Wed 9:37pm EST / LON: Thu 2:37am GMT / BER: Thu 3:37am CET / IND: Thu 8:07am IST / TOK: Thu 11:37am JST / SYD: Thu 1:37pm EST / |
| 02:40 |
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| 02:41 |
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Coke |
particle: check your messages. |
| 02:41 |
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Coke |
Also, just added a sixperl call to the comp.lang.parrot calendar. |
| 02:51 |
|
Coke |
someone bored could put the upcoming release dates into the comp.lang.parrot calendar. |
| 02:54 |
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* Infinoid |
is boredly converting JIT buffer allocations to mmap, first. |
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| 03:06 |
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chromatic |
mmap, yay. |
| 03:11 |
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Infinoid |
chromatic: this should solve the JIT issue on feather3. Turns out POSIX says don't call mprotect() on heap-allocated stuff |
| 03:12 |
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Infinoid |
(according to mprotect(2), the result is undefined) |
| 03:14 |
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tewk |
chromatic: do we suspend GC while running imcc? |
| 03:15 |
|
dalek |
r33477 | jkeenan++ | trunk: |
| 03:15 |
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dalek |
: Number of tests in plan was short by one. |
| 03:15 |
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dalek |
diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/pa[…]evision?rev=33477 |
| 03:15 |
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kid51 |
t/pmc/exception.t: Test #30, which was TODOed, just passed for me on Linux in a smolder test: ok 30 - catch ex from C-level MULTI function # TODO broken |
| 03:15 |
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kid51 |
http://smolder.plusthree.com/a[…]p_stream/8428/223 |
| 03:17 |
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chromatic |
tewk, I believe not. |
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Tene |
Hmm. I'm in Seattle this week. Maybe I should try to show up at Particle's house in person to ask him for an update on the PDS reimbursements. |
| 03:52 |
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Infinoid |
ok, I've got mmap-based JIT working on linux/x86. I've probably broken all of the other platforms. |
| 04:20 |
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tewk |
Infinoid, ifdef it to be the old code on non linux |
| 04:21 |
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Infinoid |
I also had to add a size_t argument to mem_free_executable(), because munmap wanted that. but that works just fine just calling free(), too. |
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Infinoid |
tewk: do http://nopaste.snit.ch/14800 and http://nopaste.snit.ch/14801 look safe to you? |
| 04:29 |
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Infinoid |
I've checked that t/pmc/nci.t works on a 32 bit linux box, doing a real make test now |
| 04:35 |
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Infinoid |
urk. would probably be more meaningful if I #ifdeffed on something that was defined on linux. |
| 04:36 |
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* Infinoid |
uses __linux__ instead |
| 04:42 |
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Infinoid |
oh, duh. this platform doesn't have PARROT_HAS_EXEC_PROTECT defined; it's totally useless for testing this. |
| 04:42 |
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* Infinoid |
moves to feather |
| 04:44 |
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Infinoid |
though I don't see any reason why mmap-capable architectures shouldn't always use it |
| 04:46 |
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tewk |
I was going to suggest #if !defined(WIN32) |
| 04:47 |
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Infinoid |
is JIT only functional on win32 and linux x86? |
| 04:47 |
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Infinoid |
I think this mmap stuff should cover all of the POSIX platforms reasonably |
| 04:47 |
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tewk |
jitted nci yes |
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Infinoid |
well, any other kind of jit code probably wouldn't work on feather3 either. |
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tewk |
pmichaud: |
| 05:46 |
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tewk |
make spectest says FAIL but doesn't say which tests failed |
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| 06:03 |
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tewk |
looks like t/spec/S12-class/declaration-order.t test 2 is failing. |
| 06:03 |
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Infinoid |
goodie. on an x86 machine with NX bit support, miniparrot crashes when ManagedStruct.destroy() tries to free() one of my mmapped allocations. |
| 06:04 |
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tewk |
Infinoid: we use ManagedStuct to manage the lifetime of the jit code |
| 06:05 |
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Infinoid |
well, it would help if ManagedStruct.destroy knew which free function to call |
| 06:05 |
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tewk |
We might need a specialized ManagedStuct that can hold mmaped memory. |
| 06:05 |
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chromatic |
In theory, the Pointer PMC can handle this. |
| 06:06 |
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Infinoid |
on an x86 machine without NX bit support, platform_interface.h just defines these things to mem_sys_allocate/mem_sys_free, so I can't test it there. but I'm considering breaking that for testing purposes... testing on feather takes a while. |
| 06:06 |
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tewk |
I really think we want a executable arena, otherwise we could have thousands of tiny mmaped regions. |
| 06:07 |
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Infinoid |
is mmap really the only way to do this? it's unfortunate that mprotect() requires it |
| 06:07 |
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Infinoid |
but I'd prefer not to complicate an (already too complicated) allocation scheme for this. |
| 06:09 |
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Infinoid |
is there some flag bit we can set to make ManagedStruct call the right free()? |
| 06:10 |
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Infinoid |
that's an easy hack, if it won't come back and bite us down the road. |
| 06:10 |
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chromatic |
I'm not a big fan, but once we have vtable swap it's not too bad. |
| 06:10 |
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Infinoid |
subclassing ManagedStruct may be a cleaner way. |
| 06:11 |
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chromatic |
For a proof of concept, the flag should work. |
| 06:12 |
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Infinoid |
ok. that would at least let me find out how much *other* stuff is broken. |
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Infinoid |
ok. I've spent more than a couple hours on this... time to open a ticket |
| 06:37 |
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Infinoid |
goodnight all |
| 06:38 |
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samlh |
night |
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jimmy |
coke : i am away for a long time. |
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chromatic |
http://use.perl.org/comments.p[…]d=41743&cid=66182 |
| 08:39 |
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chromatic |
Artist volunteering to help. |
| 08:40 |
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moritz |
YaY |
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cotto |
How kind of him to volunteer. |
| 08:50 |
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chromatic |
Now we just need to figure out how to use him! |
| 08:51 |
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* moritz |
votes for re-designing www.perl.org |
| 08:51 |
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moritz |
or maybe a logo for rakudo? |
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jimmy |
or nicer parrot logo? |
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chromatic |
Rakudo could use a nice logo. |
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moritz |
purl: p6c? |
| 10:16 |
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purl |
wish i knew, moritz |
| 10:16 |
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moritz |
purl: p6l? |
| 10:16 |
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purl |
i think p6l is often funny. |
| 10:16 |
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moritz |
oh well, it is :-) |
| 10:17 |
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moritz |
p6u? |
| 10:17 |
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moritz |
p6l is also the perl6-language mailing list |
| 10:17 |
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purl |
okay, moritz. |
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bacek |
rakudo: say "hi" |
| 11:46 |
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polyglotbot |
No output (you need to produce output to STDOUT) |
| 11:46 |
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bacek |
still failing... |
| 11:46 |
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purl |
failing is good! |
| 11:46 |
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bacek |
purl: bad girl |
| 11:46 |
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purl |
bacek: huh? |
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jimmy |
where is the source code of purl |
| 11:48 |
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nopaste |
"bacek" at 123.243.38.218 pasted "Pmichaud, why second version differ?" (4 lines) at http://nopaste.snit.ch/14802 |
| 11:50 |
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jimmy |
+ means one or more ? |
| 11:51 |
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bacek |
jimmy: yes |
| 11:52 |
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jimmy |
<Token> <Token> means two token, not more , i think |
| 11:53 |
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bacek |
jimmy: indeed. And I pass two tokens. |
| 11:53 |
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bacek |
WWW is 'ws' |
| 11:56 |
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jimmy |
too profound, i can not understand :( |
| 12:00 |
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jimmy |
seems ws is not used |
| 12:02 |
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bacek |
jimmy: it's used. |
| 12:02 |
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bacek |
jimmy: look at S05. 'rule' actually uses 'ws' |
| 12:03 |
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jimmy |
ok, let me take a look. |
| 12:07 |
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jimmy |
i hate the cli between windows and *nix like system |
| 12:08 |
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jimmy |
the differece quotations |
| 12:08 |
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jimmy |
different |
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jimmy |
bacek: seems that ws does not work |
| 12:29 |
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pmichaud |
defining 'ws' as a 'rule' is very likely a problem |
| 12:29 |
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pmichaud |
it's a recursive definition, of sorts, since 'rule' uses 'ws' |
| 12:29 |
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pmichaud |
you probably mean 'token'. |
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| 12:32 |
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moritz |
anyway, overriding <.ws> from within a Rakudo grammar doesn't work |
| 12:33 |
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pmichaud |
oh, I bet I know why. |
| 12:33 |
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* pmichaud |
didn't do that code. |
| 12:34 |
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jimmy |
pmichauddidn't do that code. ( what command should i use for display as this way? ) |
| 12:34 |
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pmichaud |
jimmy: /me |
| 12:34 |
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moritz |
jimmy: /me |
| 12:35 |
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pmichaud |
as in: /me didn't do that code. |
| 12:36 |
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* jimmy |
show test ? |
| 12:36 |
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jimmy |
thanks, moritz and pm |
| 12:36 |
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* pmichaud |
says, "You're welcome!" |
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pmichaud |
afk # making family's breakfast |
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dalek |
r33478 | pmichaud++ | trunk: |
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dalek |
: [rakudo]: spectest-progress.csv update: 227 files, 4703 passing, 0 failing |
| 13:17 |
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dalek |
diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/pa[…]evision?rev=33478 |
| 13:19 |
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pmichaud |
jonathan++ # we finally broke 4700 |
| 13:20 |
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pmichaud |
I'm doing list assignment and (simple) slices today, so maybe we can get close to 4800 |
| 13:26 |
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jonathan |
pmichaud: Erm, I didn't commit anything new to help that! :-_ |
| 13:26 |
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jonathan |
But thanks for the karma anyway. ;-) |
| 13:26 |
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pmichaud |
jonathan: you fixed the multi so that the tests passed. |
| 13:26 |
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jonathan |
Ah. |
| 13:26 |
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jonathan |
OK, karma accepted. |
| 13:26 |
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purl |
accepted. has neutral karma |
| 13:26 |
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dalek |
r33479 | pmichaud++ | assign: |
| 13:26 |
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dalek |
: [rakudo]: start with a fresh copy of trunk for assignment changes |
| 13:26 |
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dalek |
diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/pa[…]evision?rev=33479 |
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dalek |
r33480 | pmichaud++ | assign: |
| 13:26 |
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dalek |
: [rakudo]: fresh branch for doing assignment op changes |
| 13:27 |
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dalek |
diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/pa[…]evision?rev=33480 |
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* jonathan |
-> lunch and slovak class, back later |
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lathos |
Doesn't that inherit from Czech? |
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pmichaud |
jonathan: is there a way to get VTABLE_assign for ObjectRef to be the same as (or forward to) VTABLE_assign for Perl6Object ? |
| 14:15 |
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cognominal |
does dispatching a multimethod involves only positional arguments? |
| 14:15 |
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cognominal |
s/involves/involve/ |
| 14:15 |
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pmichaud |
cognominal: in Perl 6, Rakudo, or Parrot? |
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cognominal |
Perl 6 |
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pmichaud |
I think multimethod dispatch in Perl 6 is more than just positionals. |
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cognominal |
platonicain Perl 6 would say Timtoady |
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nopaste |
"tewk" at 155.97.237.62 pasted "t/spec/S12-class/declaration-order.t test failure" (44 lines) at http://nopaste.snit.ch/14804 |
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tewk |
could this be related to subid? |
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pmichaud |
tewk: no |
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pmichaud |
that's been around for a while. |
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tewk |
Ok I thought jonathan fix it, but that was the other failure i guess. |
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dtg |
(noob parrot question inc) |
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dtg |
having done pbc_to_exe on my .pbc and got a .o |
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dtg |
gcc filename.o -L$PWD/blib/lib/ -lparrot |
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dtg |
gives |
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dtg |
undefined reference to `Parrot_set_config_hash' |
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dtg |
nm blib/lib/libparrot.so | grep set_config |
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dtg |
001c6320 T Parrot_set_config_hash_internal |
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dtg |
001c6350 t parrot_set_config_hash_interpreter |
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tewk |
dtg: I thought pbc_to_exe produces and executable as well as a .o |
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pmichaud |
dtg: I think that pbc_to_exe depends on the build copy of Parrot being in place |
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pmichaud |
(that may not be your issue -- just checking to make sure that the Parrot build is still around.) |
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dtg |
I'm in the parrot source directory - I haven't done a make install |
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pmichaud |
a 'make clean', perhaps? |
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pmichaud |
i.e., did you do a 'make clean'? That would cause pbc_to_exe to fail also. |
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dtg |
nope, no make clean |
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pmichaud |
hmmm |
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pmichaud |
what os? |
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dtg |
tewk's right though, pbc_to_exe did make me the executable too |
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lathos |
Does "make perl6" work? (Testing if pbc_to_exe works at all) |
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dtg |
Linux / 2.6.20 |
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dtg |
"make perl6" seems to work too |
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tewk |
dtg: does the executable work? what are you trying to do? |
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dtg |
the exe works. I'm just wondering where Parrot_set_config_hash is, now |
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pmichaud |
when pbc_to_exe creates the executable, it does a lot more flags than just -lparrot |
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pmichaud |
so you might need some additional flags there. |
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pmichaud |
see pbc_to_exe.pir:395 |
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dtg |
handy. didn't spot that there |
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dtg |
different question, should '.local bigint n' work? |
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pmichaud |
no. |
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dtg |
is there any alternative right now? |
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pmichaud |
after .local should be int|num|string|pmc |
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dtg |
what's a pmc? or more generally, is there anything that will hold a bignum for me? |
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pmichaud |
bignum or bigint? |
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dtg |
int, sorry |
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pmichaud |
.local pmc n |
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pmichaud |
n = new 'BigInt' |
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pmichaud |
see t/pmc/bigint.t for examples |
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dtg |
would all the normal operators work with that? |
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pmichaud |
I think so, yes -- keeping in mind that pmcs have reference semantics |
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dtg |
ok, ta |
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* jhorwitz |
is curious to see the python 3.0 adoption rate |
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tewk |
we should implement py3.0 with all our spare time. |
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dalek |
r33481 | tewk++ | trunk: |
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dalek |
: [nsentry] method and nsentry now support unicode strings, subid needs a little more work for unicode support |
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dalek |
diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/pa[…]evision?rev=33481 |
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jimmy |
tewk++ |
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jonathan |
cognominal,pmichaud: multimethod dispatch in Perl 6.0.0 is just on positionals, not on named. If you want named args, you need to write a proto to shuffle 'em into the correct positions. |
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jonathan |
pmichaud: You want to delegate to the subclass? :-S |
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pmichaud |
jonathan: I figured it out. |
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jonathan |
pmichaud: OK. :-) |
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pmichaud |
I want assign_pmc on an ObjectRef to work exactly the same as assign_pmc on Object |
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pmichaud |
(no delegation to subclass of Object) |
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pmichaud |
basically I inspect Perl6Object for a list of its vtable overrides, grab the assign_pmc vtable override, and then call it. |
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jimmy |
sometimes i can not understand it. #define ECHO do { if (fwrite( yytext, yyleng, 1, yyout )) {} } while (0) |
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jimmy |
tewk |
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jonathan |
pmichaud: OK. |
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cognominal |
thx, jonathan. |
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pmichaud |
tewk: there's no need for subid to support unicode. |
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pmichaud |
only nsentry and method need it for now. |
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pmichaud |
tewk: new failing test in subflags.t, r33482 (test #25 marked todo) |
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dalek |
r33482 | pmichaud++ | trunk: |
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dalek |
: [nsentry]: Add a (todo'd) failing test to subflags.t . |
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dalek |
diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/pa[…]evision?rev=33482 |
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particle2 |
tene's in seattle?! |
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particle |
that's better |
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masak |
the test summary report for Rakudo is empty, but the result is FAIL. what gives? |
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particle |
what version of T::H? |
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masak |
how to check? |
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particle |
perl -MTest::Harness -e'print $Test::Harness::VERSION' |
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masak |
3.11 |
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particle |
i've got 2.64, so that's no help |
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particle |
i should really upgrade, though... |
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particle |
ok, got 3.14 now |
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masak |
I ran `make spectest` |
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masak |
I do have the usual failed assertion at t/spec/S12-class/declaration-order |
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particle |
can you upgrade T::H and try again? |
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masak |
sure. |
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tewk |
parrot asserts and dies in t/spec/S12-class/declaration-order |
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tewk |
I see the same behavior |
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masak |
but that still doesn't cause any test failures for me. |
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tewk |
3.14 here |
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particle |
i *really* like the time reporting with T::H |
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masak |
oh, that's new since 3.11 |
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particle |
HARNESS_TIMER=1 |
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particle |
also, of course HARNESS_OPTIONS=-j9 |
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particle |
er, HARNESS_OPTIONS=j9 |
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masak |
oh? where? |
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particle |
set the env vars |
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particle |
perldoc Test::Harness |
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masak |
thanks. |
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masak |
would TEST_JOBS=2 do something similar? that's what I have in my config right now. |
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particle |
that may be particular to the rakudo test harness, checking... |
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masak |
aye, so it seems. |
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moritz |
it also works with parrot's harness |
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Tene |
particle: yes. I left you a message here on Sunday telling you. |
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masak |
hm, I meant the Parrot harness. that's where I use it. |
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masak |
again, empty summary report, and 'Result: FAIL' |
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particle |
tene: ah, flaky irc client, probably missed it |
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Tene |
could be |
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particle |
lucky thing i decided to read scrollback today, i still wouldn't know |
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Coke |
how are you running the tests, masak? |
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masak |
Coke: as most people run them, I guess. `make spectest`. |
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Coke |
If you're not seeing any output, I'd run one of the test files manually and see what happens. |
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masak |
Coke: I'm not not seeing _any_ output, it's just that the final test summary is empty. |
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Coke |
^_- |
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masak |
which (at least to me) contradicts the result FAIL. |
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particle |
what's the errorcode? |
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Coke |
yah, ok, wierd. |
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masak |
particle: how do I find out? |
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particle |
what is it on linux... echo $ERROR? |
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* particle |
forgets atm |
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particle |
it's echo %ERRORLEVEL% on win32 |
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Tene |
$! |
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masak |
I'm on bash 3.2.17(1) |
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Tene |
$? |
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purl |
rumour has it $ is last exit code. or a scalar or vi's end-of-line command or filled in by system(), ``, and wait/waitpid or , in Haskell, is function application of very low precedence (or fixity as they say) |
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Tene |
Yeah, $? is the return code |
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masak |
oki |
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masak |
I'll check as soon as they're done... again. |
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masak |
echo $? |
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masak |
0 |
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Tene |
success! |
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purl |
success is finding king size papers |
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masak |
aye. |
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masak |
the FAIL kind of success, apparently. |
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particle |
so make reports success, but the harness reports failure |
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particle |
now take make out of the equation by running the harness directly |
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* masak |
tries that |
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masak |
echo $? |
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masak |
0 |
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masak |
but the comman now was `perl t/harness --fudge --keep-exit-code --jobs --tests-from-file=t/spectest.data` |
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jonathan |
seen chromatic? |
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purl |
chromatic was last seen on #parrot 7 hours, 36 minutes and 49 seconds ago, saying: Rakudo could use a nice logo. |
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masak |
s/an/and/ |
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* masak |
gets a sudden urge to design a nice logo |
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particle |
my first idea for rakudo logo: http://static.zooomr.com/image[…]61_704903d087.jpg |
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particle |
...a flaming onion volcano. |
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jhorwitz |
LOL |
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masak |
:) |
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masak |
people will connect emotionally to the Flaming Onion Volcano. |
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particle |
http://creativecommons.org/weblog/entry/11045 |
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particle |
Title: Non-Commercial study questionnaire - Creative Commons |
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pmichaud |
afk, lunch |
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Alias |
Somehow I think the flaming onion isn't cute enough |
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masak |
a kitten, then? drawn japanese-style, with big eyes. |
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* Alias |
has another go at building parrot/perl6 |
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Alias |
So let me double check what Larry said |
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Alias |
make; make perl6 |
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Alias |
Then make install should install both? |
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masak |
Alias: make; cd languages/perl6; make perl6 |
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masak |
Alias: that's what I do, at least |
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Alias |
hrm |
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Alias |
Can you make install from the perl6 directory? |
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lathos |
make perl6 works from top level. (chromatic++) |
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masak |
Alias: I would advise against doing make install at all. |
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Alias |
Why? |
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masak |
lathos: oh, cool. |
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Alias |
I'm doing it inside the Strawberry builder, it's a fairly sterile environment |
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masak |
Alias: hm, superstition, I guess. or maybe just because I build it a lot, often several times a day. |
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Alias |
I flush everything properly each time |
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particle |
alias: make all perl6 install |
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particle |
actually, make world perl6 install |
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Alias |
why world? |
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particle |
that gets you the debugger and other utils |
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Alias |
OK, but not all the other languages or anything? |
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particle |
pdb, pbc_merge, etc |
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particle |
no |
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Alias |
Tools modified to build world perl6 and install (separately) |
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Alias |
Building now |
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Alias |
I'm hoping to present Larry with the first working Perl 6 distribution while he's in Sydney |
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Alias |
Assuming I can get it working :) |
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particle |
that would be a lovely gift |
| 17:14 |
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Alias |
But shhh |
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Alias |
It's a Sekrit |
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Alias |
Or sorts |
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particle |
sure, just between you and me ;) |
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masak |
yes, I didn't even hear what you guys just said. |
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Alias |
Oh crap :) |
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moritz |
pmichaud, jonathan, particle (and all others who haven an opion): we have a volunteer for creating a Rakudo logo. Now the question arises: where should we discuss this? p6u? |
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Tene |
particle: I leave tomorrow afternoon. Are you wanting to get together tonight? |
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Coke |
Alias: aha! |
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Alias |
Damn |
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Alias |
ORRRR, I'm just saying that too distract you all |
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Alias |
to |
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Coke |
now I'm distracted by your crazy australian accent. |
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* Coke |
actually built in support to allow an en_AU translation of his app recently. |
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Coke |
sadly, 'mate' doesn't appear in the corpus. |
| 18:06 |
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Alias |
Padre will come with English ( New Britstralian ) as the default font |
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Alias |
American will be an optional plugin |
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szabgab |
I thought we agreed on Hunglish as the default ? |
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Alias |
Well, it's certainly the initial IMPLEMENTATION |
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Alias |
:) |
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szabgab |
:) |
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Coke |
I assume he's just giving us americans a hard time. |
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Alias |
Not at all |
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Alias |
We're just using the dominant form of English as the default |
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Coke |
:P |
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Coke |
y'all're crazy. |
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Alias |
It's also good for laughs in presentations :) |
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Alias |
Current default language right this second is English (London.pm) |
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Coke |
anyway, go make yer sekrit work. =-) |
| 18:09 |
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Alias |
It's compiling, I can only but wait |
| 18:10 |
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Coke |
http://xkcd.com/303/ |
| 18:10 |
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Alias |
Indeed |
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Coke |
ubuntu? |
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purl |
GROUP HUG, EVERYBODY!!!! |
| 18:12 |
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Alias |
hmm? |
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Alias |
me? |
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purl |
alias is a crackhead with dreams of world domination, and unfortunately they seem to be working or daddy or obsessed with SMS or Alvin or Zune lover or not a half-ton animal or the dude who broke BinGOs's hot-rod. or using UE and I need to get him over to start using Padre,so I need to implement his favorite features :-) or a Cewebrity |
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particle |
tene: i'm not sure i can, but what time are you free? |
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Tene |
particle: 6:00, probably. |
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Alias |
make world ok |
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was kicked by particle1: particle |
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tewk |
what are some common uses for begin and end in perl5, someone asked me. |
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Alias |
I like to use BEGIN to pre-generated static data structures at compile time, to free up the code early and so that the debugger doesn't get stuck in it when loading the module |
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tewk |
also what is the perl5 technique to change syntax, often reguarded as hackish? |
| 18:28 |
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Alias |
END can be used to deal with custom destruction in caches and singletons and such |
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moritz |
tewk: are you referring to source filters? |
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tewk |
yes. thanks |
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moritz |
tewk: they are enabled at compile time, obviously |
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Alias |
Yep, that |
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purl |
somebody said Yep, that was leolo under there |
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* chromatic |
embeds Ruby in his Perl 5 programs, because you can write DSLs in Ruby but not Perl 5. |
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tewk |
lol |
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chromatic |
I suppose I should put in a tighter shirt, tear the knee of my jeans, and make my hair pointy in the middle to say that. |
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Alias |
hmm |
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davidfetter |
chromatic, you'd have to act like a know-it-all, to |
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davidfetter |
too* |
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Alias |
Installing Parrot may interfere with developing Parrot on the same machine. |
| 18:31 |
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Alias |
I assume I can ignore that and just to reallinstall? |
| 18:31 |
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Alias |
(Because I'm not developing Parrot) |
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pmichaud |
"developing Parrot" can also mean "subsequent compiles" |
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Alias |
Why would installing to a temp directory I'm going to destroy cause a problem? |
| 18:32 |
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pmichaud |
it probably wouldn't |
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Alias |
oh, ok then |
| 18:32 |
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pmichaud |
in the general case, "make install" goes to system directories, and then later attempts to build parrot end up grabbing the wrong libraries and headers. |
| 18:32 |
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Alias |
It goes to system directories? erk |
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dtg |
pmichaud: fwiw, everything Just Worked when I used BigInts everywhere I previously had ints, ta |
| 18:33 |
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Alias |
So how do I install into a directory I want |
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pmichaud |
Alias: I don't know if that's supported yet. |
| 18:33 |
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Alias |
How does it know where to install? |
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dtg |
perl Configure.pl --prefix=/some/path/ |
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pmichaud |
I think it gets that from information determined during the Configure step. |
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pmichaud |
I'm not at all expert with how 'make install' does or doesn't do its thing, I only know the problems that arise from using it. |
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pmichaud |
(in the typical case.) |
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Alias |
dtg: OK, will try that |
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chromatic |
"act like"? |
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particle |
Alias: can i assume you've run make test? i didn't specify that earlier |
| 18:36 |
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Alias |
make test fails for a known reason |
| 18:36 |
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Alias |
So I'm skipping it for now |
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particle |
ah, ok |
| 18:36 |
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Alias |
At least in 0.8.1 |
| 18:36 |
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Alias |
I'll run make test again for the next release |
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particle |
http://g.ho.st/ looks promising |
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bacek |
good morning |
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nopaste |
"bacek" at 123.243.38.218 pasted "Pmichaud, why second version differ even with 'token ws'?" (5 lines) at http://nopaste.snit.ch/14808 |
| 18:47 |
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pmichaud |
bacek: <ws> isn't working in Rakudo grammars at the moment. |
| 18:47 |
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pmichaud |
We don't yet have the proper syntax for invoking a rule in a grammar. |
| 18:47 |
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pmichaud |
(it's not specced) |
| 18:47 |
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bacek |
pmichaud: ouch... |
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* chromatic |
knows Alias's Sekrit. |
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chromatic |
He's a time-traveling alien, sent from the future to steal our water. Or our attractive members of the appropriate gender. Or maybe their water. I can't remember which. |
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bacek |
Although the default <.ws> subrule recognizes no comment construct, any grammar is free to override the rule. The <.ws> rule is not intended to mean the same thing everywhere. |
| 18:51 |
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bacek |
pmichaud: this is from S05. |
| 18:51 |
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pmichaud |
bacek: you didn't read what I wrote. |
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pmichaud |
18:47 <pmichaud> We don't yet have the proper syntax for invoking a rule in a grammar. |
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* bacek |
needs morning coffee... |
| 18:52 |
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pmichaud |
'foo WWW bar' ~~ Foo::Tokens # not correct |
| 18:52 |
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pmichaud |
PGE handles custom <.ws> rules just fine -- that's how the parsers all work (and why we're able to parse Perl 6 comments in source code). |
| 18:53 |
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pmichaud |
Rakudo doesn't yet handle custom <.ws> rules, because it's not able to invoke the grammar properly. |
| 18:53 |
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pmichaud |
...and the spec doesn't yet indicate what that syntax is. |
| 18:53 |
|
* Coke |
stares at subversion, and wonders if the git people aren't right. |
| 18:54 |
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Alias |
Coke: They're more right for big projects than small |
| 18:54 |
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PerlJam |
Coke: they are! |
| 18:54 |
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Alias |
Especially big public projects |
| 18:54 |
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Alias |
Say, 1m lines or more |
| 18:54 |
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Coke |
I'm getting a merge conflict with our work's svn project. there's nothing to conflict. it's insane. |
| 18:54 |
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Alias |
Ah |
| 18:54 |
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Alias |
I see the problem |
| 18:55 |
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Alias |
You need a better merge tool |
| 18:55 |
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PerlJam |
Alias: are you a time traveling alien? |
| 18:55 |
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Alias |
That solved many of my problems |
| 18:55 |
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Coke |
I'm using the out of the box tsvn one. |
| 18:55 |
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Alias |
PerlJam: I can neither confirm nor deny I an a time travelling Alien |
| 18:55 |
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bacek |
pmichaud: ermm... I don't quite understand "because it's not able to invoke the grammar properly". Why? |
| 18:55 |
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pmichaud |
bacek: what's the syntax? |
| 18:55 |
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purl |
the syntax is probably a nightmare |
| 18:56 |
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pmichaud |
what's the correct syntax for invoking a rule from a grammar? |
| 18:57 |
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bacek |
pmichaud: you mean 'invoke single rule' from external world? |
| 18:57 |
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jonathan |
pmichaud: To clarify - you mean invoking it from within Perl, not just another rule within the grammar, right? |
| 18:57 |
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bacek |
bacekicering:~/src/pugs$ perl6 -e 'grammar Foo { rule Token { \w+ }; rule TOP { <Token>+ }; }; say "foo bar" ~~ Foo;' |
| 18:57 |
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bacek |
foo bar |
| 18:57 |
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bacek |
bacekicering:~/src/pugs$ perl6 -e 'grammar Foo { rule Token { \w+ }; token ws { \s+ }; rule TOP { <Token>+ }; }; say "foo bar" ~~ Foo;' |
| 18:57 |
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pmichaud |
jonathan: yes |
| 18:57 |
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bacek |
second statement produces empty result |
| 18:57 |
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pmichaud |
bacek: what rakudo implements now is incorrect. |
| 18:57 |
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Alias |
Josh McAdams is the Perl Foundation PR person? |
| 18:58 |
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Alias |
Really? |
| 18:58 |
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purl |
Really is it bad? |
| 18:58 |
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pmichaud |
bacek: the synopses don't indicate how to invoke a rule from within a grammar. |
| 18:58 |
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Coke |
Alias: sfaik. |
| 18:58 |
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PerlJam |
pm: you mean unspecced, don't you? It may be correct as soon as Larry specs that as the way to do it :) |
| 18:58 |
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PerlJam |
(unless you can think of a reason why that won't work in the general case) |
| 18:58 |
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pmichaud |
pj: Larry has explicitly said that ~~ Foo::rule and ~~ Foo will *not* be the way to do it. |
| 18:59 |
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PerlJam |
oh. |
| 18:59 |
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* bacek |
stares at 'MAINTAINER' in S05. |
| 18:59 |
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Alias |
Man the Perl Foundation website has some big holes |
| 18:59 |
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pmichaud |
the reason why is that $x ~~ Foo means "$x does Foo" |
| 18:59 |
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Alias |
Archived News is missing the year 2007 |
| 18:59 |
|
Alias |
and the link to current year goes to nowhere |
| 18:59 |
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Alias |
and the last press release was in 2004 |
| 18:59 |
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pmichaud |
and Foo::rule is a listop, thus $x ~~ Foo::rule would mean "invoke Foo:rule with no arguments" and smart match $x against the result |
| 19:00 |
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pmichaud |
the closest we could get at this point is $x ~~ &Foo::rule .... but the invocant is all wrong for grammar inheritance if we do that. |
| 19:01 |
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dalek |
r33483 | bernhard++ | trunk: |
| 19:01 |
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dalek |
: [codingstd] Fix some glitches: c_parens, tabs and trailing_space |
| 19:01 |
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dalek |
diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/pa[…]evision?rev=33483 |
| 19:02 |
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PerlJam |
$x ~~ / <Foo:rule> / # ? |
| 19:02 |
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PerlJam |
er, :: |
| 19:02 |
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pmichaud |
that would actually work. It probably works in Rakudo today. |
| 19:02 |
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pmichaud |
and then the <.ws> rule would likely work also. |
| 19:03 |
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Coke |
Alias: ah. it was combination of changing svn:eol-style and then editing the fiile. the merge freaked out. |
| 19:03 |
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Coke |
if I tell the merge to ignore line endings, it works. |
| 19:03 |
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Alias |
ah |
| 19:03 |
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bacek |
pmichaud: it doesn't... |
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* chromatic |
wants to meet aliens, espers, and time travelers. |
| 19:04 |
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* Coke |
introduces chromatic to spider robinson. |
| 19:04 |
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* bacek |
waves from future to chromatic |
| 19:04 |
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pmichaud |
bacek: nopaste? |
| 19:04 |
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purl |
somebody said nopaste was at http://nopaste.snit.ch/ (ask TonyC for new channels) or http://rafb.net/paste or http://poundperl.pastebin.com/ or http://paste.scsys.co.uk/ or App::Nopaste or tools/dev/nopaste.pl or at http://www.extpaste.com/ or http://paste.scsys.co.uk (for #catalyst, #dbix-class, #moose and others) |
| 19:04 |
|
* chromatic |
was thinking Haruhi Suzumiya |
| 19:04 |
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bacek |
bacekicering:~/src/xquery$ perl6 -e 'grammar Foo { rule Token { \w+ }; token ws { \s+ }; rule TOP { <Token>+ }; }; say "foo" ~~ / <Foo::Token> /; say $/' |
| 19:04 |
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bacek |
two empty lines in output |
| 19:05 |
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pmichaud |
your ws rule requires whitespace |
| 19:05 |
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pmichaud |
I bet " foo " matches. |
| 19:05 |
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bacek |
but I match Foo::Token rule. |
| 19:06 |
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pmichaud |
which has two calls to <.ws> in it |
| 19:06 |
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pmichaud |
both of those require at least one space. |
| 19:06 |
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bacek |
pmichaud: ah! |
| 19:07 |
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bacek |
pmichaud++ # explaining thing to dumb idiots... |
| 19:07 |
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Coke |
pmichaud++ # usually that idiot is me. |
| 19:08 |
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PerlJam |
pm: is <.ws> as smart as S05 requires? |
| 19:09 |
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PerlJam |
(i.e. it knows when to do \s* and when to do \s+) |
| 19:09 |
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pmichaud |
PerlJam: the default <ws> rule is, yes. |
| 19:09 |
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PerlJam |
okay. |
| 19:09 |
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pmichaud |
but if you override <ws>, then it uses whatever you specify. |
| 19:10 |
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pmichaud |
PCT provides a <ww> rule that matches between two word characters |
| 19:11 |
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pmichaud |
so grammars (but not rakudo grammars) can generally do: token ws { <!ww> \s* } |
| 19:12 |
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pmichaud |
which is a lot easier and faster than trying to do it with <before ...> and <after ...> |
| 19:13 |
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dalek |
r33484 | bernhard++ | trunk: |
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dalek |
: [codingstd] add a svn-id line |
| 19:13 |
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dalek |
diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/pa[…]evision?rev=33484 |
| 19:27 |
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cotto |
kj, ping |
| 19:30 |
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dalek |
r33485 | bernhard++ | trunk: |
| 19:30 |
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dalek |
: [Pipp] Simplify actions by using the nifty 'loadinit' node |
| 19:30 |
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dalek |
diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/pa[…]evision?rev=33485 |
| 19:30 |
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Alias |
ok, working through new build |
| 19:30 |
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Alias |
Into make perl6 |
| 19:31 |
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PerlJam |
Alias: so ... what was your sekrit? you're bundling perl6 with strawberry now? ;) |
| 19:31 |
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Alias |
Not bunlding |
| 19:31 |
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Alias |
I continue to maintain the integrity of the product line |
| 19:31 |
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Alias |
But it should be something like a seperate "Vanilla Perl 6 Beta" :) |
| 19:32 |
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cotto |
msg kj Is there any reason that squaak avoids using a Past::Op with pasttype of 'for' for for loops? |
| 19:32 |
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purl |
Message for kj stored. |
| 19:32 |
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Alias |
ok, running make reallyinstall |
| 19:33 |
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Alias |
And hoping for the best |
| 19:33 |
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davidfetter |
anybody at OSDC? |
| 19:33 |
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Alias |
Seems to be gringing away, which I take as good news |
| 19:33 |
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Alias |
davidfetter: Does running it count? |
| 19:33 |
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davidfetter |
(apart from timtoady and yours truly) |
| 19:33 |
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davidfetter |
heh |
| 19:33 |
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Alias |
hrm |
| 19:33 |
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Alias |
make reallyinstall ok! |
| 19:33 |
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* davidfetter |
looks for parrot talks |
| 19:34 |
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dalek |
r33486 | bernhard++ | trunk: |
| 19:34 |
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dalek |
: [docs] added news about Pipp |
| 19:34 |
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dalek |
diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/pa[…]evision?rev=33486 |
| 19:34 |
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Alias |
davidfetter: Nothing apart from Larry's methinks |
| 19:34 |
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Alias |
woohoo! |
| 19:34 |
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PerlJam |
Alias: installing parrot hasn't ever been a problem unless and until you want to also do development I believe. |
| 19:34 |
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Alias |
The image directory now has image/c, image/perl and image/parrot installed |
| 19:35 |
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Alias |
And parrot/bin has perl6.exe in it |
| 19:35 |
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Alias |
So NOW, I guess I just need to set the Windows PATH settings to only add the parrot directory? |
| 19:36 |
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Alias |
Will perl6.exe have any dependencies on dlls etc that are in the Perl distro? |
| 19:36 |
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Alias |
Or just the C stuff? |
| 19:36 |
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chromatic |
It should only need libparrot.dll |
| 19:37 |
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Alias |
It statically builds or something?" |
| 19:37 |
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chromatic |
By "etc" do you mean PBCs? |
| 19:37 |
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Alias |
I mean I have no idea what I'm talking about |
| 19:37 |
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Alias |
But I'm thinking things like libgmp.dll... |
| 19:38 |
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Alias |
Or other low level libraries |
| 19:38 |
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Alias |
ld.exe... |
| 19:38 |
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Alias |
I find I sometimes I ask questions and people assume I know the obvious stuff already |
| 19:39 |
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chromatic |
Alias, *this is a football*. |
| 19:39 |
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Alias |
So that's no? |
| 19:39 |
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chromatic |
libgmp.dll would be useful. |
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Alias |
Oddly, I can't find that in the build for some reason |
| 19:39 |
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chromatic |
Maybe libreadline.dll. |
| 19:40 |
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Alias |
But I'll get back to you :) |
| 19:40 |
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Alias |
hrm |
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chromatic |
We don't include code. It's a configuration-time dependency. |
| 19:41 |
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Alias |
Got a quick P6 hello world I can cut/paste somewhere? |
| 19:41 |
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Alias |
I gotta get moving to the conference shortly |
| 19:41 |
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chromatic |
'say "Hello, world!"' |
| 19:42 |
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bacek |
"Hello, world!".say |
| 19:42 |
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Alias |
So perl6.exe -e 'say "Hello... etc |
| 19:42 |
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moritz |
./perl6 -e 'say "Hello, World"' |
| 19:43 |
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Alias |
Single quotes fail |
| 19:43 |
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chromatic |
Dear Microsoft, Please buy a real keyboard. Love, Perl 6. |
| 19:43 |
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moritz |
on windows probably, yes |
| 19:43 |
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Alias |
But perl6.exe -e "say \"Hello, world!\n\"" works fine |
| 19:43 |
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moritz |
Alias: no need for the \n, say() adds that |
| 19:44 |
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chromatic |
You don't need \n with say. That's why say exists. |
| 19:44 |
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Alias |
ah, oops |
| 19:44 |
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chromatic |
perl6.exe -e "say 'Hello, world!'" |
| 19:44 |
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Alias |
Alt====woot |
| 19:44 |
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Alias |
er |
| 19:44 |
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Alias |
whatever :) |
| 19:44 |
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Alias |
OK, now I need to finish the last packaging crap, and I should have a working distro |
| 19:44 |
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chromatic |
Don't try to be hip. We know you're just as nerdy as the rest of us, even if you do have that nifty accent. |
| 19:45 |
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Coke |
I am so hip I have difficulty seeing over my pelvis. |
| 19:45 |
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Alias |
And it appears that Hello World works even without anything in the PATH at all |
| 19:45 |
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Alias |
For future reference |
| 19:46 |
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Alias |
So looks like for my first attempt, I'll just blow away the Strawberry settings and add only the parrot/bin to PATH |
| 19:48 |
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Alias |
Now I just need to get this both building the final version, and find a way to get it burned onto a CD in the next 6 hours |
| 19:48 |
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Alias |
Which should be doable, hopefully |
| 19:49 |
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Alias |
My plan ATM, private alpha for Larry as symbolic gift, plus private release of alpha to you guys |
| 19:49 |
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pmichaud |
outstanding. |
| 19:49 |
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Alias |
Then public release Christmas |
| 19:49 |
|
Alias |
For maximum symbolicness :) |
| 19:49 |
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pmichaud |
I expect to be doing official numbered Rakudo releases in Feb, fwiw. |
| 19:50 |
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Alias |
ya |
| 19:50 |
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Alias |
I plan to just keep my current month pattern I use for Perl 5 |
| 19:50 |
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pmichaud |
that should work. Do you have a specific date when you do Perl 5 releases? |
| 19:50 |
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Alias |
Vanilla Perl 6 (or Rakudo) Beta January 2009 |
| 19:50 |
|
Alias |
Perl 5 is once a season |
| 19:50 |
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pmichaud |
okay |
| 19:51 |
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Alias |
Jan/Apr/Jul/Oct, second Monday of the month |
| 19:51 |
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pmichaud |
rakudo will be doing monthly releases, seasonal Vanilla Rakudo should work fine with that |
| 19:51 |
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Alias |
But there's no real reason I can't (or you can't) just build on the day of the parrot release |
| 19:51 |
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pmichaud |
I expect to be doing rakudo releases shortly (~ 3-7 days) after each parrot release. |
| 19:51 |
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Alias |
It's all going to be in Perl::Dist::Parrot |
| 19:51 |
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Coke |
alias++ |
| 19:51 |
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pmichaud |
well, rakudo is going to be moving out of the parrot repo |
| 19:51 |
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Alias |
You can just install that and then run "perldist Parrot" and it should grind for two hours and then spit out a distro |
| 19:52 |
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Alias |
pmichaud: Well, whatever it is... just have the dist class |
| 19:52 |
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Alias |
hack |
| 19:52 |
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pmichaud |
sure. |
| 19:52 |
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Alias |
It's all pretty sub-classable these days |
| 19:52 |
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moritz |
pmichaud: and then 'make spectest' will check out the appropriate version of t/spec/ from pugs to have real regression tests? |
| 19:52 |
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Alias |
The Perl 6 dist builder is under 200 lines of code |
| 19:52 |
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pmichaud |
moritz: probably. |
| 19:52 |
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purl |
Really? Probably? Are you Certain it's not certain? Are you sure it's unsure? I think you need to look harder. |
| 19:52 |
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Alias |
(and falling) |
| 19:53 |
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Coke |
probability factor of 2 to the 400 to 1 against and falling. |
| 19:57 |
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Alias |
Dammit, gotta leave shortly |
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* Alias |
madly installs deps onto laptop and sync svn with desktop machine |
| 19:57 |
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Alias |
Hopefully this build still works on my laptop |
| 19:58 |
|
Alias |
Last time I had some NTFS vs FAT issues |
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dalek |
r33487 | pmichaud++ | trunk: |
| 20:04 |
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dalek |
: [rakudo]: Add inline PIR to Perl 6 subroutines. |
| 20:04 |
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dalek |
diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/pa[…]evision?rev=33487 |
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jonathan |
pmichaud: One step closer to prelude. ;-) |
| 20:07 |
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pmichaud |
jonathan: yes. As I'm working through the assignment/slicing stuff I'm thinking I might want to start writing it in Perl 6. |
| 20:07 |
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pmichaud |
but there are still a number of issues to work out there, alas. |
| 20:12 |
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bacek |
pmichaud: perl6 -e "token ws { 'blah' }; say 'blah' ~~ / <ws> /"; produces empty result... |
| 20:13 |
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pmichaud |
bacek: it's probably still using the default <ws> rule instead of the local one. We don't have namespaces and lexicals completely worked out there yet. |
| 20:13 |
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pmichaud |
It's also not clear that a "token ws" declared in the local scope would override the <ws> rule that is built-in to the default Grammar. |
| 20:13 |
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bacek |
pmichaud: :(... |
| 20:14 |
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bacek |
<bacek> Although the default <.ws> subrule recognizes no comment construct, any grammar is free to override the rule. The <.ws> rule is not intended to mean the same thing everywhere. |
| 20:14 |
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bacek |
looks like it should override default <ws> |
| 20:15 |
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dalek |
r33488 | moritz++ | trunk: |
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dalek |
: [cage] trailing whitespace |
| 20:15 |
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dalek |
diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/pa[…]evision?rev=33488 |
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moritz |
wtf is compilers/ncigen/compreg.pir? |
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dalek |
r33489 | moritz++ | trunk: |
| 20:18 |
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dalek |
: [cage] copyright statement for sqlite_interface_generator.pl |
| 20:18 |
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dalek |
diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/pa[…]evision?rev=33489 |
| 20:18 |
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pmichaud |
the -e example you just gave doesn't have "token ws" in a grammar. |
| 20:19 |
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pmichaud |
The synopsis says "any grammar is free to override the rule". It doesn't say it's overridable outside of a grammar. |
| 20:19 |
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pmichaud |
(it doesn't say it isn't, either... which is why I said it's "not clear") |
| 20:19 |
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bacek |
pmichaud: sigh... |
| 20:20 |
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pmichaud |
http://use.perl.org/~pmichaud/journal/38022 # inline PIR in Perl 6 |
| 20:22 |
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PerlJam |
pm: so, you can't use $S10 ? |
| 20:22 |
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pmichaud |
you can, but you run the risk that PCT will have also used $S10 for something else. |
| 20:22 |
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pmichaud |
PCT reserves registers 10 and higher for its own use |
| 20:22 |
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PerlJam |
gotcha |
| 20:26 |
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PerlJam |
given that we have a really large number of registers now, couldn't PCT start the set of reserved registers as 100 (for instance)? |
| 20:26 |
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pmichaud |
sure, but how many people will need more than ten registers? |
| 20:26 |
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pmichaud |
(at the same time) |
| 20:26 |
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pmichaud |
even PGE only needs nine. |
| 20:27 |
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pmichaud |
if a piece of code needs that many registers, they likely should be using symbolic registers anyway. |
| 20:27 |
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PerlJam |
okay. I was just thinking of some of the crazy stuff that Dan used to do with code generation. |
| 20:27 |
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pmichaud |
generate PIR to be evaled in a Perl 6 program? Scary. |
| 20:28 |
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pmichaud |
Better would be to eval it directly using the PIR compiler anyway :-) |
| 20:28 |
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pmichaud |
(updated article to indicate reason for 0..9, tnx) PerlJam++ |
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Coke |
... C |
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* Coke |
gets a big unsolicited patch to APL. |
| 20:34 |
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Coke |
(YAY) |
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Coke |
(really. yay. this is awesome.) |
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Coke |
holy crap do I need to find some place to test this out. |
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* Coke |
does a little APL dance of joy. |
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jonathan |
pmichaud: Don't forget rakudo.org too ;-) |
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pmichaud |
rakudo.org is a bit of a pain to update (but I just did that too) |
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pmichaud |
now I have to get ready for my presentation tonight (that wasn't planned as of 24 hours ago) |
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Alias |
righto |
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Coke |
cla? |
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purl |
cla is, like, Contributor License Agreement or http://www.perlfoundation.org/[…]license_agreement or http://www.parrot.org/foundation/legal |
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Alias |
Laptop prepped for generating final Vanilla Perl 6 package at OSDC, time to run |
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Alias |
Later all |
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pmichaud |
Alias++ # vanilla Perl 6 |
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moritz |
Coke: most developers like me have only sent a cla to TPF, not to parrot foundation - is that a problem, in the long run? |
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pmichaud |
I think that we need new cla's for Parrot eventually. OTOH, I think they have it set up that they no longer _have_ to have paper copies. |
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Coke |
either we'll hunt you down and force you to resign, or work out some clever legal avoidance. |
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pmichaud |
I know we all signed new CLAs at PDS. |
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Coke |
er, re-sign, not resign. |
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Coke |
pmichaud: wow, that's TWO cla's I've not signed now. =-) |
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* pmichaud |
wonders if he should've resigned instead of re-signed. |
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Tene |
Coke: but I already re-signed. Can I still opt-in to the hunt-me-down plan? |
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Coke |
tene: only you, though. |
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Tene |
sweet |
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* Coke |
loads his hunting gear. |
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* Tene |
prepares the island with death traps. |
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dalek |
r33490 | kjs++ | trunk: |
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dalek |
: [pirc] Start generating bytecode. Note that these are preliminary, hacky steps. |
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dalek |
: + parser now counts number of parameters; only generate get_params_pc if #params > 0 |
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dalek |
: + This works: .sub main :main \n print 42 \n .end\n --> ../../parrot a.pbc --> 42 |
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dalek |
: + update tests. |
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dalek |
diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/pa[…]evision?rev=33490 |
| 20:45 |
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pmichaud |
jonathan: any ideas for how we might get "class Object is also { ... }" to put its methods into the correct "Perl6Object" namespace? |
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pmichaud |
I'm guessing we'll have to hackish-look-things-up or work something out through the protoobject. |
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Tene |
pmichaud: is this about object->perl6object specifically? |
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* Coke |
arnolds, "if it bleeds, we can kill it." |
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pmichaud |
Tene: all of the rakudo mis-named classes. |
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pmichaud |
Perl6Object, Perl6Array, Perl6Hash, Perl6Complex |
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Tene |
pmichaud: these will go away after we get the type registry fixed or whatever, right? |
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pmichaud |
Tene: sure, they'll go away then. I don't know that will happen soon, though. |
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jonathan |
pmichaud: Can't think of anything easy right off... |
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Tene |
Then I'd just make a hash and check at compile time |
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jonathan |
As in, easy and not an epic hack. |
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pmichaud |
hash and check at compile time might work good enough. |
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Tene |
that's what cardinal does. |
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Tene |
pmichaud: anything you want me to work on today? |
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pmichaud |
Tene: I'm a bit distracted today because of the last-minute presentation I'm now giving |
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* Tene |
nods. |
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Tene |
I work a lot better when someone asks me for something specific, and there's a lot that needs to get done for this release. |
| 20:54 |
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pmichaud |
yeah |
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Tene |
I won't harass you for details, don't worry. |
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pmichaud |
most of the specific stuff I have right now I prefer to wait on a couple of other cleanups first |
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Tene |
And cleanups require explanation. |
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pmichaud |
right. I really want to get assignment fixed "once and for all" |
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pmichaud |
(including slices). But that's a messy cleanup at the moment. |
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Tene |
Rather. I'm likely not up to it right now. |
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pmichaud |
I'd be interested to see if we can get the try { ... } semantics working properly. I know there are some failing tests there. |
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Tene |
Any objections to me prototyping the pct loops refactor? Or should I do PDD review instead? |
| 20:56 |
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Tene |
Try. Okay. I can do that. |
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pmichaud |
you can prototype loop refactor if you want, but what I'm planning at the moment is a fairly major restructuring of block handling in PCT (internally) |
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Tene |
Ah. I'll leave that to you, then. |
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pmichaud |
I suspect the 'try' issues were due to improper lexical handling, which should now be fixed. |
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pmichaud |
Also, Failure needs to move from being a class to being a role. |
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pmichaud |
but I'm not sure what is involved there, since it needs to override some vtable functions to work. |
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tewk |
moritz: compreg.pir is used by sqlite_interface_generator.pl to get the NCIGEN compiler, is there a better perl6 way of doing that? |
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tewk |
I saw inline pir just hit, I'll have to try that. |
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moritz |
tewk: uhm, that file doesn't look like PIR to me |
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pmichaud |
I'm a little frightened at what I've just unleashed. :-) |
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Tene |
:) |
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bacek |
pmichaud: what the difference between PGE::Grammar and PCT::Grammar? |
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chromatic |
Two letters. |
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pmichaud |
PGE::Grammar is the base class for all PGE grammars |
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pmichaud |
PCT::Grammar is PGE::Grammar with some extra built-in rules thrown in to make it more useful for compiler writers |
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Tene |
pmichaud: you were referring to return() inside try{}-blocks, the tests for which are marked as TODO lexicals bug, right? |
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Tene |
Or were you wanting CATCH blocks? |
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pmichaud |
return() inside try blocks, or just getting the general $! handling correct |
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pmichaud |
I wasn't referring to CATCH blocks. |
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bacek |
pmichaud: thanks. |
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* bacek |
still don't understand why <ws> works as expected in Rakudo implementation, but not in Grammar... |
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pmichaud |
bacek: do you really want the gory details? Because they are gory. |
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bacek |
pmichaud: heh :) |
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bacek |
I'm still believe that is possible to implement XQuery-on-Perl6 |
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tewk |
moritz: opps |
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pmichaud |
tewk: did you catch my note about the failing subid test I added to subflags.t ? |
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cognominal |
pmichaud++ # too bad you are a singleton |
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cognominal |
... for the PIR in Perl 6 |
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tewk |
pmichaud: yeah I saw it, thats going to require separating the 'foo'() logic from the .const logic. |
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tewk |
it shouldn't be too bad. |
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pmichaud |
okay. I don't know if that blocks me from the other PCT changes I want to make. |
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pmichaud |
probably doesn't. But I was surprised when it didn't work earlier. |
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tewk |
your talking about the fact that subids fall through to find_name_not_null right. |
| 21:16 |
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Tene |
pmichaud: try {} should catch *all* exceptions? Even return()? Or no? |
| 21:16 |
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tewk |
wait I read the test wrong looking again. |
| 21:18 |
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Tene |
pmichaud: if try {} shouldn't catch return exceptions, can you tell me what exceptions it should catch? |
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PerlJam |
Tene: non-control exceptions I would imagine |
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PerlJam |
"real" exceptions |
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bacek |
Tene: !~~ CONTROL_EXCEPTION |
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Tene |
So we need to be able to give EHs a list of exception types to NOT catch. |
| 21:22 |
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PerlJam |
next, last, redo, goto, return, take (assuming that generates an exception), yield (assuming that exists), etc. should not be caught by try{} |
| 21:22 |
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Tene |
Or we need to redesign exceptions and EHs to use a class hierarchy instead of a flat list of types. |
| 21:23 |
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Tene |
I'll just do the former for now. |
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tewk |
pmichaud: i would expect tst 25 to work, I'll fix it tonight. |
| 21:28 |
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pmichaud |
we either give EHs a list of exception types not to catch, *or* we simply have a handler that catches everything and rethrows things it shouldn't have caught. |
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pmichaud |
I would go with the latter for now. |
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moritz |
pmichaud: S04 seems to imply that try { } by default catches everything, there's no exception for control exceptions |
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pmichaud |
moritz: that wouldn't surprise me. |
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pmichaud |
I haven't looked closely, which is why I'm having Tene take a look :-P |
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Coke |
pmichaud: rethrowing doesn't work like you'd expect. |
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Tene |
pmichaud: it's easier to add a "don't catch these" list. |
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Coke |
(presuming you're me.) |
| 21:30 |
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Tene |
That also avoids the "rethrow doesn't preserve the backtrace" problem. |
| 21:30 |
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Tene |
Also, I've already done it. |
| 21:30 |
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Coke |
so it's probably a decent first cut, but what tene said. |
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dalek |
r33491 | tewk++ | trunk: |
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dalek |
: [ncigen] fix wrong file contents |
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pmichaud |
fair enough. |
| 21:31 |
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dalek |
diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/pa[…]evision?rev=33491 |
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Tene |
I'll add it to PCT's try after this lecture. |
| 21:31 |
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Tene |
I've tested it and it works. |
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Tene |
bbl; lecture. |
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pmichaud |
...PCT's try? |
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pmichaud |
I would think that PCT's try would catch everything. |
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Tene |
erm, you know what I mean. |
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Tene |
Make it work with rakudo. |
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pmichaud |
ah. |
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pmichaud |
okay. |
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Tene |
I'm sketching here. |
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pmichaud |
but double-check what moritz mentioned -- perhaps it should catch everything. |
| 21:32 |
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pmichaud |
since we expect it to catch 'die', I'd think it would also catch 'return' |
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pmichaud |
(being that die is even more forceful than return) |
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moritz |
in p5 eval { ... } also catches return() |
| 21:33 |
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pmichaud |
so yes, catch everything :-) |
| 21:33 |
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moritz |
ah, but things get more complicated in a the presence of CATCH blocks |
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moritz |
"A CATCH block handles only "bad" exceptions, and lets control exceptions pass unhindered." |
| 21:33 |
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PerlJam |
interesting. |
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pmichaud |
sure, but I think 'try' traps them all. |
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pmichaud |
we only pass the control exceptions to the CATCH block. |
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pmichaud |
er, non-control exceptions |
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moritz |
and in the presence of CATCH blocks, try {} only catches those exceptions for which there are handlers |
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pmichaud |
ah |
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pmichaud |
definitely becomes more interesting then. |
| 21:35 |
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moritz |
(but I think there should be a way of handling control exceptions too, right?) |
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pmichaud |
I'm not looking for a complete implementation (unless it's convenient) -- I just wanted to resolve the tickets that note that $! isn't working. |
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pmichaud |
CONTROL { ... } # handles control exceptions |
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moritz |
ah |
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* moritz |
didn't get this far yet |
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dalek |
r33492 | tewk++ | trunk: |
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dalek |
: [ncigen] uses inline pir in perl6 |
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dalek |
diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/pa[…]evision?rev=33492 |
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PerlJam |
you know ... parrot may make all of this "perl is dying" stuff come to fruition. Once @other_languages have access to CPAN, perl will have lost a small advantage :) |
| 21:57 |
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pmichaud |
nah, because everyone will be writing their languages in Perl. :-P |
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cotto |
either that or everyone will use libraries converted from their native languages via --target=otherlang |
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tewk |
pmichaud: I might have asked this before but, can I iterate over a PCT::Node from perl6? |
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tewk |
a PCT::Node isa Hash |
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Coke |
PerlJam: good luck getting other languages to run CPAN. =-) |
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* Coke |
would be vaguely interested in rewriting bits of tcl in NQP or perl6. |
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GeJ |
Good morning everyone |
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Whiteknight |
good morning GeJ |
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Coke |
-> |
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PerlJam |
Coke: I imagine a future where "gem install foo" will ask which foo would you like to install? 1) ruby foo 2) perl foo 3) python foo 4) other foo |
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PerlJam |
cpan foo will, of course, install perl foo because it's the best :-) |
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pmichaud |
tewk: for @($node) { ... } |
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tewk |
ahh, I'll try that |
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pmichaud |
or $node.list() |
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tewk |
$_ still, sorry my perl6 is bad. |
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cotto |
I wonder what perl -> ruby -> php - |
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cotto |
> perl would look like |
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moritz |
ugly. |
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pmichaud |
disappearing for a while so I can finish my presentation. bbl. |
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cognominal |
"Python 3.0 is out now. The latest version makes some major changes to the popular programming language, and it's incompatible with version 2.x releases." sayz theregister |
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cognominal |
qui ne peut résister à une blague ouroborisique : http://regmedia.co.uk/2008/12/[…]thonouroboros.jpg |
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cognominal |
oops |
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cognominal |
wrong channel |
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jonathan |
MANIFEST FAIL (compilers/ncigen/compreg.pir) |
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tewk |
I hate manifest |
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Tene |
pmichaud: any suggestions on how to pass the exception types we want to catch / avoid catching to PCT? |
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Limbic_Region |
chromatic ping |
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Tene |
pmichaud: right now the first child of a PAST::Op with a pasttype of 'try' is the code to be surrounded by the exception handler, and the second child is the code ot process the handler |
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jonathan |
Tene: Me too. |
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jonathan |
s/Tene/tewk/ |
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Tene |
Ah. |
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tewk |
fixing |
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dalek |
r33493 | tewk++ | trunk: |
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dalek |
: [ncigen] MANIFEST |
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dalek |
diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/pa[…]evision?rev=33493 |
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Tene |
ah, scrollback |
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* Tene |
reads |
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Limbic_Region |
chromatic disregard ping - apparently TimToady has decided not to publish the 2008 State Of The Onion - too bad |
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Tene |
:( |
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chromatic |
It's pretty technical. |
| 22:53 |
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chromatic |
Two results in the latest Coverity scan! |
| 22:54 |
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Tene |
pmichaud: $! is getting set. try { return 42; say 'omglol' }; ; say $!.WHAT(); |
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Tene |
rakudo: try { return 42; say 'omglol' }; ; say $!.WHAT(); |
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chromatic |
Hm, one of them came back. |
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polyglotbot |
No output (you need to produce output to STDOUT) |
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particle1 |
chromatic++ # it'll be nice to get to tier 2 |
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Limbic_Region |
chromatic - on another note, I did email you reference your use.perl recent journal entry |
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chromatic |
I saw, thank you. |
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Limbic_Region |
4523 |
| 22:56 |
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Limbic_Region |
*+ |
| 22:56 |
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Limbic_Region |
Alyssa says hello |
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Whiteknight |
I have a friend named alyssa |
| 22:59 |
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Whiteknight |
and she never says hello |
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Tene |
not much of a friend, then |
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PerlJam |
chromatic++ for publishing stuff on perl.com, but that's more speaking to the echo chamber isn't it? |
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Limbic_Region |
Whiteknight - my Alyssa turned 1 on Tuesday |
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chromatic |
Definitely it is. |
| 23:03 |
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Whiteknight |
turned 1? Congratulations! |
| 23:03 |
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moritz |
Alyssa++, so to say ;-) |
| 23:03 |
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Whiteknight |
Or Alyssa = 1; |
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chromatic |
Hopefully she doesn't know Python, because that's two unary plus operators. |
| 23:04 |
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Whiteknight |
Python3000 came out today, dont know if anybody saw the headlines |
| 23:04 |
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Whiteknight |
now we just need them to port it to parrot, and we all win |
| 23:04 |
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Limbic_Region |
she is more of a line noise kinda girl right now - watch out for the next dancing camel obfu |
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dalek |
r33494 | tene++ | trunk: |
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dalek |
: [exception.pmc] |
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dalek |
: * Initial draft of get_bool vtable |
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dalek |
diff: http://www.parrotvm.org/svn/pa[…]evision?rev=33494 |
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cotto |
That certainly follows KISS. |
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* davidfetter |
waves to nopaste |
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Tene |
cotto: unless someone can think of a use case for a "false exception"... |
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cotto |
Is there any use for an exception evaluating to true? |
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dalek |
r33495 | jonathan++ | trunk: |
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dalek |
: [rakudo] When we see a proto routine, mark it :multi() so it ends up in the Perl6MultiSub and set a proto property on it. |
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dalek |
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