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rg1 |
No discussions yet. |
| 00:00 |
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rg1 |
or were you refering to the visualizations? |
| 00:00 |
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particle |
yes, and datasets. |
| 00:01 |
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rg1 |
seems to work without a login |
| 00:01 |
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particle |
fab, thanks! |
| 00:09 |
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Whiteknight |
Does anything use the get_pointer and set_pointer vtables of the parrotinterpreter PMC? |
| 00:22 |
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Whiteknight |
because I want to try to repurpose them |
| 00:26 |
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particle |
change them and see! |
| 00:26 |
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purl |
particle: that doesn't look right |
| 00:26 |
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Whiteknight |
purl you don't look right |
| 00:26 |
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purl |
Whiteknight: i'm not following you... |
| 00:26 |
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Whiteknight |
well, if I comment them out I don't get any test failures |
| 00:27 |
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Whiteknight |
and I can build perl6 without problem, so that's a good bellweather |
| 00:49 |
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dalek |
parrot: r36369 | whiteknight++ | trunk/src: |
| 00:49 |
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dalek |
parrot: [PMC] changing ParrotInterpreter set_pointer and get_pointer to point to PMC_data() instead of PMC_struct_val. Should help with later UnionVal deprecation |
| 00:49 |
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dalek |
parrot: review: https://trac.parrot.org/parrot/changeset/36369/ |
| 00:49 |
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Whiteknight |
yeah. put that in your local checkout and smoke it |
| 00:57 |
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Whiteknight |
I think we can do the UnionVal switch over now for ParrotInterpreter and ParrotThread PMCs now |
| 01:00 |
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Whiteknight |
I just need to find all the places they are accessed |
| 01:05 |
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nopaste |
"cotto" at 96.26.202.243 pasted "ParrotInterpreter and ParrotThread info" (45 lines) at http://nopaste.snit.ch/15497 |
| 01:05 |
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cotto |
there you go |
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cotto |
That's everything that gets hit during make test. |
| 01:07 |
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cotto |
The line numbers may be a bit off. I don't remember what revision I used to generate that list. |
| 01:08 |
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cotto |
Whiteknight++ |
| 01:09 |
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Whiteknight |
thanks cotto+! |
| 01:09 |
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Whiteknight |
thanks cotto++! |
| 01:10 |
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cotto |
I'll attach the whole file to the wiki page. |
| 01:12 |
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dalek |
tracwiki: v | cotto++ | |
| 01:12 |
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dalek |
tracwiki: https://trac.parrot.org/parrot[…]nionval_pmc.2.log |
| 01:12 |
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shorten |
dalek's url is at http://xrl.us/beeyms |
| 01:13 |
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cotto |
Cool. I don't even have to post a link. |
| 01:15 |
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Whiteknight |
urg, the pmc_reuse function is going to be a mess |
| 01:15 |
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Whiteknight |
that's going to have to be one of the last things updated |
| 01:17 |
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Whiteknight |
hey cotto, how is inheritence happening now? Where does the parents data struct get stored? |
| 01:24 |
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cotto |
Since I can assume single inheritance, a parent's ATTRs are stored before the child's. |
| 01:24 |
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cotto |
That way if a child is accessed as a parent, nothing breaks. |
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Coke |
. |
| 01:26 |
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Whiteknight |
hola coke |
| 01:27 |
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s1n |
Coke: let me know when you have that write up, i might be willing to help out with the old rt tickets |
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Coke |
s1n: due sunday. |
| 01:38 |
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Coke |
but basically, the plan is to close out the old tickets in place. |
| 01:39 |
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Coke |
verifying that old reports still generate the same broken output is helpful. |
| 01:39 |
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Coke |
making sure patches still apply is helpful. |
| 01:41 |
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Coke |
that's probably the limit of things that can be done without fixing things. |
| 01:43 |
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chromatic |
Adding TODO tests.... |
| 01:46 |
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s1n |
Coke: verifying the tickets are still valid is all i can do at this point, so just say when and i'll do what i can to help |
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Coke |
I don't know what you mean, "say when." |
| 02:02 |
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Coke |
when? |
| 02:02 |
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Coke |
I mean, I know what the /phrase/ means... =-) |
| 02:09 |
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s1n |
Coke: are you not a native speaker? (not an insult) |
| 02:10 |
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s1n |
by that i mean, post the article, let me know, and i'll do what i can when i can to help move the tickets over |
| 02:11 |
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Coke |
no, I'm a native speaker; I'm just confused. |
| 02:11 |
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Coke |
you don't need a go ahead; feel free to do those things right now. |
| 02:12 |
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Coke |
Thank you for any cleanup you can provide on the queue. It'll be a help. |
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dalek |
parrot: r36370 | jkeenan++ | trunk/docs/book: |
| 03:21 |
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dalek |
parrot: Apply patch submitted by tuxdna in http://rt.perl.org/rt3/Ticket/[…]ay.html?id=63036: Correct spelling/grammatical errors in POD. |
| 03:21 |
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dalek |
parrot: review: https://trac.parrot.org/parrot/changeset/36370/ |
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dalek |
parrot: r36371 | chromatic++ | trunk/t/op/interp.t: |
| 03:57 |
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dalek |
parrot: [t] Made a TODO test pass by avoiding buffering order issues. See RT #52354. |
| 03:57 |
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dalek |
parrot: review: https://trac.parrot.org/parrot/changeset/36371/ |
| 03:59 |
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Coke |
kid51: I just tested the original hang in that RT you closed; it doesn't hang, so we're all cool. |
| 04:00 |
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Coke |
(it's invalid pir, so you have to change it up slightly.) |
| 04:05 |
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* kid51 |
must sleep |
| 04:05 |
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purl |
$kid51->sleep(8 * 3600); |
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dalek |
parrot: r36372 | Infinoid++ | trunk: |
| 06:24 |
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dalek |
parrot: [cage] Fix some codetest failures. |
| 06:24 |
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dalek |
parrot: review: https://trac.parrot.org/parrot/changeset/36372/ |
| 06:24 |
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dalek |
parrot: r36373 | Infinoid++ | trunk/compilers/pirc/src: |
| 06:24 |
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dalek |
parrot: [pirc] Fix the -o flag in -b mode, for specifying the .pbc filename. |
| 06:24 |
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dalek |
parrot: review: https://trac.parrot.org/parrot/changeset/36373/ |
| 06:28 |
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Infinoid |
r36372 contains changes to imcc.y which I can't regenerate. Does anyone have the bison/flex secret decoder ring, so they can tell me which combination of software versions successfully builds in --maintainer mode? |
| 06:34 |
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chromatic |
bison 2.3 here, flex 2.5.35 |
| 06:39 |
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dalek |
parrot: r36374 | chromatic++ | trunk: |
| 06:39 |
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dalek |
parrot: [docs] Added initial version of the Parrot Support Policy (TT #244 ). |
| 06:39 |
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dalek |
parrot: review: https://trac.parrot.org/parrot/changeset/36374/ |
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dalek |
tracwiki: v109 | chromatic++ | ParrotRoadmap |
| 06:39 |
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dalek |
tracwiki: https://trac.parrot.org/parrot[…]admap?version=109 |
| 06:39 |
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shorten |
dalek's url is at http://xrl.us/beezjp |
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dalek |
tracwiki: v8 | jimmy++ | WhereIsIt |
| 07:30 |
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dalek |
tracwiki: https://trac.parrot.org/parrot[…]ereIsIt?version=8 |
| 07:47 |
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moritz |
msg pmichaud when I checkout parrot below the rakudo dir 'make test' throws some errors because the t/pmc/*.t files want to run ../../parrot |
| 07:47 |
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purl |
Message for pmichaud stored. |
| 07:53 |
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moritz |
oh, and the generated makefile contains this line: |
| 07:53 |
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moritz |
t/spec : svn co http:////svn.pugscode.org//pugs//t//spec t/spec |
| 07:53 |
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moritz |
that's not working, ETOOMANYSLASHES |
| 08:00 |
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janus |
http://blog.t14g.de/wp-content[…]tf_per_minute.jpg :) |
| 08:00 |
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shorten |
janus's url is at http://xrl.us/beezoc |
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moritz |
rakudo: say "test" |
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polyglotbot |
OUTPUT[test] |
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dalek |
parrot: r36375 | cotto++ | trunk/src/pmc/resizableintegerarray.pmc: |
| 09:43 |
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dalek |
parrot: [pmc] fix bug from UnionVal to ATTR conversion |
| 09:43 |
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dalek |
parrot: review: https://trac.parrot.org/parrot/changeset/36375/ |
| 09:53 |
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dalek |
parrot: r36376 | cotto++ | trunk/src/pmc/resizableintegerarray.pmc: |
| 09:53 |
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dalek |
parrot: [pmc] undo accidental commit |
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dalek |
parrot: review: https://trac.parrot.org/parrot/changeset/36376/ |
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dalek |
parrot: r36377 | rurban++ | trunk/src/packfile.c: |
| 10:12 |
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dalek |
parrot: [docs] add missing function documentation |
| 10:12 |
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dalek |
parrot: review: https://trac.parrot.org/parrot/changeset/36377/ |
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dalek |
parrot: r36378 | rurban++ | trunk/config/inter/libparrot.pm: |
| 10:22 |
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dalek |
parrot: Checked cygwin dll: An old libparrot dll does no harm to cygwin. To be checked on mingw/msvc also |
| 10:22 |
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dalek |
parrot: review: https://trac.parrot.org/parrot/changeset/36378/ |
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dalek |
parrot: r36379 | rurban++ | trunk/src/exec_save.c: |
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dalek |
parrot: [cage] use correctly signed index vars |
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dalek |
parrot: review: https://trac.parrot.org/parrot/changeset/36379/ |
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dalek |
parrot: r36380 | Infinoid++ | trunk/compilers: |
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szbalint |
so far so good |
| 14:22 |
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dalek |
parrot: [imcc] Regenerate recent changes from imcc.y. |
| 14:22 |
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dalek |
parrot: review: https://trac.parrot.org/parrot/changeset/36380/ |
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dalek |
parrot: r36381 | Infinoid++ | trunk/config/gen/makefiles/languages.in: |
| 14:22 |
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dalek |
parrot: [pod] languages/Makefile needs a realclean hook to remove languages/pod/Makefile. |
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dalek |
parrot: review: https://trac.parrot.org/parrot/changeset/36381/ |
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dalek |
parrot: r36382 | Infinoid++ | trunk/languages/pod/pod.pir: |
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dalek |
parrot: [pod] Get languages/pod compiling. (One of the includes was failing on case-sensitive filesystems.) |
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dalek |
parrot: review: https://trac.parrot.org/parrot/changeset/36382/ |
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dalek |
parrot: r36383 | Infinoid++ | trunk/src/packfile.c: |
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dalek |
parrot: [cage] Fix some trailing whitespace. |
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dalek |
parrot: review: https://trac.parrot.org/parrot/changeset/36383/ |
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kj |
Infinoid++ # fixing languages/pod |
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sjn |
jonathan: ping |
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Infinoid |
cotto++ # finding bugs in dalek's rss parser |
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dalek |
allison perl.org | Debian/Ubuntu chroot Environment Setup: |
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dalek |
link: http://www.perlfoundation.org/[…]environment_setup |
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shorten |
dalek's url is at http://xrl.us/beesjm |
| 14:46 |
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sjn |
jonathan, pmichaud, masak: I've updated the hackathon wiki page with a couple ideas... What do you think of them? (especially #3): http://www.perlfoundation.org/[…]l_6_hackaton_2009 |
| 14:46 |
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shorten |
sjn's url is at http://xrl.us/bebpnx |
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* masak |
looks |
| 14:47 |
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masak |
I'm all for it. the more hackathon, the better. |
| 14:47 |
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sjn |
good |
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* sjn |
is still a bit unsure of how to pull off a "pre-hackathon" at the conference though |
| 14:48 |
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sjn |
masak: how would you have done that? |
| 14:48 |
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masak |
sjn: not sure what you mean. :) a hackathon is a couple people sitting in the same room, hacking. |
| 14:49 |
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masak |
so, you need a room, and a time slot. |
| 14:49 |
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sjn |
yeah, but this one is at the conference |
| 14:49 |
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sjn |
which means it might be more a kind of "hackathon demonstration" |
| 14:50 |
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sjn |
at the conference venue, hopefully |
| 14:50 |
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PerlJam |
sjn: demonstrating a bunch of people sitting around with computers isn't much of a demonstration ;-) |
| 14:50 |
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masak |
pretending to hack? |
| 14:50 |
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sjn |
dunno |
| 14:50 |
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masak |
I don't want that. :) |
| 14:50 |
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masak |
sounds highly frustrating. |
| 14:50 |
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sjn |
that's why I'm asking... |
| 14:51 |
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sjn |
how can we make it into something that's interesting and relevant so people at the conference who just "drop in" want to come to the proper hackathon? |
| 14:51 |
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PerlJam |
sjn: have pizza! |
| 14:51 |
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masak |
aye! |
| 14:51 |
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sjn |
yeah, food works :) |
| 14:52 |
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masak |
food and soft drinks. |
| 14:52 |
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sjn |
but food maketh a hackathon not |
| 14:52 |
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masak |
people demo-ing exciting things they wrote helps, I guess. |
| 14:52 |
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sjn |
PerlJam: what would you have loved to see at something like that? |
| 14:53 |
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sjn |
demos.... hm.. |
| 14:53 |
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masak |
preferably demos of things that are still ongoing projects and that are hackable right away. |
| 14:53 |
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sjn |
like an "update on what I've been hacking on the last few weeks"? |
| 14:53 |
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PerlJam |
sjn: A sign saying "Parrot Hackthon" with food and drinks and people talking about parroty things makes enough of a hackathon. |
| 14:53 |
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PerlJam |
(for starters) |
| 14:54 |
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sjn |
hm |
| 14:54 |
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PerlJam |
People that want to join will see the sign (hopefully) and ask questions and such and hopefully join. |
| 14:55 |
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sjn |
yep |
| 14:55 |
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masak |
I like that. |
| 14:55 |
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sjn |
sure, but shouldn't there be.... more? |
| 14:55 |
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masak |
Perl 6? |
| 14:55 |
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purl |
Perl 6 is probably the spec, rakudo and pugs are two of the implementations. |
| 14:56 |
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masak |
purl: no, Perl 6 is amazing. |
| 14:56 |
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purl |
okay, masak. |
| 14:56 |
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PerlJam |
sjn: you could even do something like "the food and drinks cost one RT ticket closure" or something :) |
| 14:56 |
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sjn |
haha |
| 14:56 |
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sjn |
with a "we'll help you close a ticket" stand :D |
| 14:56 |
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PerlJam |
yeah |
| 14:56 |
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PerlJam |
:-) |
| 14:56 |
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masak |
that's a great idea. |
| 14:57 |
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sjn |
and they get their name on the ticket and in the source code |
| 14:57 |
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PerlJam |
you're free to hack and hacking buys you food :) |
| 14:57 |
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sjn |
that's an awesome idea :D |
| 14:58 |
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sjn |
PerlJam: would you mind adding that idea to the wiki page? :) |
| 14:58 |
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sjn |
(say under 3.1 :) |
| 14:59 |
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PerlJam |
well, I don't understand "pre-hackathon" really. To me, it's just a hackathon. |
| 14:59 |
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PerlJam |
Like ... what's a pre-lightning talk? :) |
| 14:59 |
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sjn |
something that comes before the "main" lightening talk? :) |
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kj |
it's a "warm-up" session ;-) |
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masak |
pre-lightning never strikes the same spot twice. |
| 15:00 |
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sjn |
(as opposed to "post-lightening talk") |
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sjn |
PerlJam: what would you call it instead? |
| 15:08 |
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particle |
hackathon. |
| 15:08 |
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purl |
hackathon is in the dorms' common area |
| 15:08 |
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particle |
pre-conference hackathon? |
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sjn |
it's not pre-conference... it's _at_ the conference |
| 15:09 |
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PerlJam |
then it's just a hackathon. |
| 15:09 |
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sjn |
(well, strictly speaking, it's after the regular schedule on thursday) |
| 15:09 |
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particle |
-athon connotes something ongoing, like a marathon. |
| 15:09 |
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particle |
is it ongoing, or a hacking session during regular sessions? |
| 15:10 |
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particle |
is it a hack track, where there are different hacking sessions throughout the day(s) in the same room? |
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sjn |
it's a hacking session after the talks are done, for those who want to stick around (there'll be other things happening at the venue too) |
| 15:10 |
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sjn |
perhaps for a few hours |
| 15:11 |
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PerlJam |
A hack-track would be awesome. |
| 15:11 |
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masak |
hack track hackathon. |
| 15:11 |
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sjn |
it's a one-off, as part of the Go Open conference "Meet the experts" thing |
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* sjn |
is guessing there'll be some other projects and things happening at the same time |
| 15:13 |
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sjn |
stuff that hopefully makes people want to hang around :) |
| 15:14 |
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sjn |
PerlJam: feel free to change the wiki text to something more understandable ;-) |
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PerlJam |
sjn: yeah, but then I'd have to actually login and I know I've forgotten my password :) |
| 15:16 |
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particle |
sjn++ # conference organizing is *hard* |
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sjn |
particle: not really :-P |
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sjn |
particle: especially if someone else does the work :) |
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PerlJam |
sjn: careful ... that sounds like you're volunteering to do it all the time to me :) |
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sjn |
PerlJam: what a wonderful opportunity to rectify that problem! :D |
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* sjn |
isn't volunteering at all :-P |
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* PerlJam |
is still waiting for the email |
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sjn |
it's called "wasting my employer's time" :-P |
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* sjn |
toddles off to get a cup of coffee |
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* jonathan |
is back |
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masak |
jonathan: vitajte! |
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sjn |
heya, jonathan :) |
| 15:42 |
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jonathan |
"hackathon demonstration" - could be like, a drama. "masak: I HAZ A BUG! WE CAN HAZ RT TICKET!" "jnthn: OMG I WRITEZ THE FIX...OMFG I CAN'T USE GIT...AH FINALLY" |
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PerlJam |
jonathan: heh |
| 15:43 |
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jonathan |
But then people might think they need to learn lolspeak in order to attend... |
| 15:43 |
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masak |
jonathan: somehow, the first steps gets repeated 100 times. |
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kj |
well, that's easy with pmichaud's any-to-lolcode converter :-) |
| 15:44 |
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masak |
s/steps/step/ |
| 15:44 |
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jonathan |
masak: It's a demonstration, not a complete history. :-P |
| 15:44 |
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masak |
:P |
| 15:45 |
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sjn |
jonathan: on a scene, with dramatic music, and people holding signs "FIX BUG!" shouting slogans "Christmas in april!" |
| 15:45 |
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moritz |
you also misssed OH HAI I CAN HAZ TEZT? part |
| 15:45 |
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masak |
moritz: you coming to NPW? |
| 15:45 |
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jonathan |
sjn: Hackathon page looks good. |
| 15:45 |
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jonathan |
sjn: Though later, details on how to get to it etc would be good. |
| 15:46 |
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PerlJam |
jonathan, sjn: that would make an awesome lightning talk of sorts . Get a bunch of people with appropriate signs and run through a hackathon demonstration by coordinated display of those signs. |
| 15:46 |
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sjn |
hehe |
| 15:47 |
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sjn |
yep |
| 15:47 |
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sjn |
jonathan: what do you think of PerlJam's idea to have "fix an RT bug for food" stand? |
| 15:48 |
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sjn |
have a* |
| 15:48 |
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moritz |
masak: no :( |
| 15:49 |
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PerlJam |
or make it a carnival game. "Step right up! Fix a bug and win a prize!" :-) |
| 15:49 |
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jonathan |
sjn: That means I'll come out REALLY fat and masak will come out with weight loss. ;-) |
| 15:49 |
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sjn |
hehe |
| 15:49 |
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masak |
:) |
| 15:49 |
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sjn |
jonathan: or you just hang around and help people fix bugs (they get the commit and the name in the source code) |
| 15:50 |
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sjn |
you and whoever is around to help |
| 15:50 |
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sjn |
use it as a recruiting thing |
| 15:50 |
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sjn |
get people involved :) |
| 15:50 |
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PerlJam |
sjn: that's where I thin the hack-track would be useful |
| 15:51 |
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PerlJam |
s/thin/think/ |
| 15:51 |
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sjn |
PerlJam: hack-track, as in a full track, during the conference? |
| 15:51 |
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PerlJam |
yeah. |
| 15:52 |
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sjn |
not sure we have room at the conference for that. (it's easier to make things like that happen in the evening) |
| 15:52 |
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sjn |
I'd love a hack-track, but I'd also love to see people at the Perl 6 talks |
| 15:53 |
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sjn |
and the other talks |
| 15:53 |
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purl |
the other talks are japanese |
| 15:53 |
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jonathan |
sjn: I think that last year it was good that we had the morning "planning" meeting and end of day summary. |
| 15:53 |
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PerlJam |
sjn: if you could have a few long sessions with various parrot/rakudo/etc hackers shepherding people towards making contributions, maybe they'd be more likely to "get into it" on their own. |
| 15:54 |
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PerlJam |
It's just an idea. |
| 15:54 |
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sjn |
jonathan: what do you mean? (you lost me there, what are we talking about?) |
| 15:54 |
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jonathan |
At the testing hackathon in Oslo last time, in the mroning everyone got together and said what they planned to do for the day |
| 15:54 |
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sjn |
PerlJam: that's part of my ambition with the hackathon-proper after the conference |
| 15:54 |
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sjn |
jonathan: ah, yes |
| 15:55 |
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sjn |
we'll do that this time too :) |
| 15:55 |
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jonathan |
sjn: Was quite good. But also I don't remember if at the end of the day we had a "what did we achieve" bit too. But I think it's nice. |
| 15:55 |
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sjn |
we did |
| 15:55 |
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jonathan |
Doesn't need to be long (even time-limit people lightning-talk style if needed). |
| 15:55 |
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jonathan |
But was good. |
| 15:55 |
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jonathan |
I don't think people rambled on for too long last time though. |
| 15:55 |
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jonathan |
So probably no need for explicit time limit. |
| 15:56 |
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sjn |
but right now I'm more concerned about the hackathon-demo-at-thursday-evening thing |
| 15:56 |
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jonathan |
What's the goal of the demo? |
| 15:56 |
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sjn |
get people involved |
| 15:56 |
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jonathan |
To give people an idea of what a hackathon is like? |
| 15:56 |
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jonathan |
Hmm, OK. |
| 15:56 |
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sjn |
and that yes |
| 15:57 |
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jonathan |
Would it not be better as a kind of section in the intro talks? |
| 15:57 |
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PerlJam |
sjn: well, the hack-track would be ideal during the conference to snag new people and the post-conference hackathon woudl be for the serious hackers :) |
| 15:57 |
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jonathan |
While people are paying attention? |
| 15:57 |
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sjn |
and show people outside the Perl community what we're doing |
| 15:57 |
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jonathan |
I'd expect the normal talks would show people what kinda stuff is happening as well, though? |
| 15:57 |
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sjn |
yeah, probably |
| 15:57 |
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purl |
well, yeah, probably is something that needs doin/working on |
| 15:58 |
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* sjn |
smacks purl |
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* purl |
rubs her red behind. |
| 15:59 |
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sjn |
jonathan: we have the option of doing something on thursday evening, as part of the Go Open "meet the experts" thing |
| 15:59 |
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sjn |
for a couple of hours at least |
| 15:59 |
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jonathan |
Oh, OK, I didn't know that this section existed. |
| 15:59 |
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sjn |
jonathan: how would you use that time? |
| 15:59 |
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jonathan |
Is there URL aobut it? |
| 15:59 |
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jonathan |
*about |
| 15:59 |
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sjn |
it's not a "section" |
| 16:00 |
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jonathan |
OK, well, "thingy". ;-) |
| 16:00 |
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sjn |
it's something I'm considering |
| 16:00 |
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jonathan |
Ah, OK. |
| 16:00 |
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jonathan |
"Meet the experts" sounds a bit...maybe...like, "come meet celebrity programmers" or something though. |
| 16:00 |
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sjn |
we have the option, my first idea is to make it into an early start of the hackathon |
| 16:00 |
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sjn |
jonathan: yeah, it's a stupid name |
| 16:01 |
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jonathan |
A name more indicating it's a way to find out ways to get involved, is better. |
| 16:01 |
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sjn |
never mind that |
| 16:01 |
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jonathan |
But yes, I like the idea. |
| 16:01 |
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jonathan |
Like a ProjectFest |
| 16:01 |
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sjn |
something like that |
| 16:01 |
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jonathan |
So different projects can promote themselves and have things for newbies who might be interested. |
| 16:01 |
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sjn |
demos, stands, open source projects |
| 16:01 |
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sjn |
recruiting |
| 16:01 |
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purl |
somebody said recruiting was suspiciously out of place on IRC. Go to http://www.itknowledge.com/tpj/jobs.html |
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sjn |
and community visibility (which I'm mainly thinking about) |
| 16:02 |
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jonathan |
*nod* |
| 16:02 |
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jonathan |
Yeah, something like that. |
| 16:02 |
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purl |
it has been said that yeah, something like that is what I'd do as well |
| 16:03 |
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sjn |
you know... "Perl is dead, nyah, nyah, nyah" |
| 16:03 |
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jonathan |
A way for people already involved in projects and people curious about them to get together. |
| 16:03 |
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sjn |
exactly |
| 16:03 |
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jonathan |
Without having to have the luck to catch a free moment with them around the conference. |
| 16:03 |
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sjn |
and I'm not expecting everyone to show up at the hackathon, so I'd like to make something like it available to the people right there at the conference venue |
| 16:04 |
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jonathan |
Sure |
| 16:04 |
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jonathan |
I guess you want to make more the project discovery part there rather than the actual writing code etc part of what happens at hackathons... |
| 16:04 |
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PerlJam |
a hack-track carnival with games and flashy lights sounds like the way to go ;-) |
| 16:04 |
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jonathan |
Yeah! |
| 16:05 |
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sjn |
and if we get 120+ Perl people, plus perhaps 100-200 Go Open attendees aware of what's going on, then that might work out very well visibility-wise |
| 16:05 |
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jonathan |
Whichever project has free beer gets my interest! ;-) |
| 16:05 |
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sjn |
http://www.freebeer.org/blog/ |
| 16:06 |
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sjn |
(we were considering getting some of that brewed for the conference :) |
| 16:06 |
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sjn |
doesn't look like it'll happen though :-( |
| 16:06 |
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jonathan |
:-( |
| 16:06 |
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jonathan |
Oslo beer = expensive |
| 16:06 |
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sjn |
mm |
| 16:07 |
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PerlJam |
Make a big sign that says "Perl 6 Microbrewery" :-) |
| 16:07 |
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sjn |
"Fix an RT bug, get a Free Beer" |
| 16:08 |
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PerlJam |
you probably don't want to be handing out a pint each time though. |
| 16:08 |
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sjn |
anyhoo, if you have any ideas on how to use thursday evening at NPW, write a few words in the wiki |
| 16:09 |
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sjn |
PerlJam: yeah, let's make it a thimble-full per bug :) |
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pmichaud |
beer for bugs? |
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moritz |
beer *against* bugs please :-) |
| 16:21 |
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pmichaud |
rakudo: say 'hello-world'.split(/<ws>/).perl; |
| 16:21 |
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polyglotbot |
OUTPUT[["hello", "-", "world", ""]] |
| 16:22 |
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pmichaud |
that seems wrongish -- seems like there either should be a "" at the front or no "" at the end. |
| 16:23 |
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pmichaud |
rakudo: say 'hello-world'.split(/<wb>/).perl; |
| 16:23 |
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polyglotbot |
OUTPUT[["hello", "-", "world", ""]] |
| 16:23 |
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* pmichaud |
invites masak to submit a rakudobug. :-) |
| 16:23 |
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* masak |
submits |
| 16:24 |
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particle |
rakudo: say 'hello world'.comb(/\S+/).perl; |
| 16:24 |
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polyglotbot |
OUTPUT[["hello", "world"]] |
| 16:24 |
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moritz |
pmichaud: what's wrong with it? the trailing item? |
| 16:25 |
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pmichaud |
moritz: I can't decide if it's missing a leading item or has an extra trailing one. |
| 16:25 |
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moritz |
maybe TimToady can comment on that? |
| 16:25 |
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pmichaud |
rakudo: say 'h w'.split(/\s*/).perl; |
| 16:25 |
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polyglotbot |
OUTPUT[["h", "w", ""]] |
| 16:26 |
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pmichaud |
I'm guessing "missing a leading item", but my guesses seem to be wrong more often than not. |
| 16:30 |
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pmichaud |
afk for a bit |
| 16:33 |
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dalek |
parrot: r36384 | NotFound++ | trunk/compilers/imcc/imcc.y: |
| 16:33 |
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dalek |
parrot: [imcc] fix a bison problem, TT #275 |
| 16:33 |
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dalek |
parrot: review: https://trac.parrot.org/parrot/changeset/36384/ |
| 16:35 |
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Infinoid |
NotFound++ # that's been a problem for me for *months*! |
| 16:37 |
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NotFound |
Infinoid: not so fast, I don't tested it with 2.4 |
| 16:38 |
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Whiteknight |
pmichaud, can you take a look at RT #37578 and see if this is still an issue for you? |
| 16:38 |
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Whiteknight |
I'm pretty sure :unique_reg fixes it |
| 16:38 |
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Infinoid |
NotFound: I'm going to test with 2.3 and then 2.4.1, one moment |
| 16:39 |
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NotFound |
I have 2.3 |
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kj |
Infinoid: could you also run bison 2.4.1 on compilers/pirc/src/pir.y? |
| 16:42 |
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kj |
(i don't have 2.4.1) |
| 16:43 |
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sjn |
pmichaud: Tell me what you think of <http://xrl.us/bebpnx>, and especially point #3? :) |
| 16:45 |
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Infinoid |
strange, that resulted in a linker error. trying again in a fresh checkout |
| 16:50 |
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Infinoid |
Confirmed in a fresh checkout. (though I had to touch imcc.y to convince make to regenerate) |
| 16:50 |
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Infinoid |
/home/infinoid/parrot-dev/bison-test/blib/lib/libparrot.so: undefined reference to `_namespace' |
| 16:50 |
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Infinoid |
I also tested with bison 2.3; that worked fine |
| 16:51 |
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NotFound |
_namespace? |
| 16:51 |
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kj |
not sure, is there a version of bison after 2.4? |
| 16:51 |
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kj |
ISTR that 2.4 had issues... |
| 16:51 |
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NotFound |
We must not have any global symbol with that name- |
| 16:52 |
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Infinoid |
there's 2.4.1 |
| 16:52 |
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kj |
yes, but I think there's a 2.53 or so |
| 16:52 |
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Whiteknight |
particle: ping |
| 16:52 |
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NotFound |
symreg.h |
| 16:52 |
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NotFound |
111:EXTERN Namespace * _namespace; |
| 16:52 |
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NotFound |
WTF? |
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Infinoid |
it's referenced in push_namespace() in symreg.c |
| 16:55 |
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kj |
it seems, from a google search, that many projects have problems with 2.4.1 |
| 16:56 |
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Infinoid |
I can just blacklist that version so gentoo stops updating me to it |
| 16:57 |
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NotFound |
Some objection to rename it as pesky_global__namespace ? |
| 16:58 |
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Infinoid |
I have no problem with that. Though I'm not sure why I get the error with bison 2.4.1 but not with bison 2.3 |
| 16:58 |
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kj |
preferably it would go into IMCC_STATE or whatever |
| 16:58 |
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kj |
the IMCC structure with global stuff |
| 16:58 |
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NotFound |
Infinoid: is declared as extern but never defined. |
| 16:58 |
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Infinoid |
does imcc 2.3 define it? |
| 16:59 |
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Infinoid |
symreg.c is code we wrote, and the reference to _namespace is dated 2007-04-18, so apparently it was there before |
| 16:59 |
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Infinoid |
...but I don't see it anywhere in my local diff, so I'm confused |
| 16:59 |
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NotFound |
Don't know why it doesn't always fail |
| 17:01 |
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kj |
are we sure that EXTERN actually expands as 'extern'? |
| 17:01 |
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kj |
and there seems to be something in imcc/unit.h (checking..) |
| 17:01 |
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Infinoid |
kj: it's referenced on compilers/imcc/symreg.c line 133, regardless of what EXTERN does |
| 17:02 |
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kj |
oh that's not it (unit.h) |
| 17:02 |
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Infinoid |
oh, I see, if EXTERN defines to "", it'll declare it and then life is good? |
| 17:02 |
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kj |
well, if EXTERN is really expanded as 'extern', then it's not a declaration; otherwise it is |
| 17:02 |
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kj |
well, life is better ;-) |
| 17:02 |
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Infinoid |
heh :) |
| 17:03 |
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NotFound |
#ifdef PARSER_MAIN |
| 17:03 |
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NotFound |
# define EXTERN |
| 17:03 |
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NotFound |
#else |
| 17:03 |
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NotFound |
# define EXTERN extern |
| 17:03 |
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NotFound |
#endif |
| 17:03 |
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kj |
which in this case is really a paradox... it's not "better" (than good). Anyhoo... |
| 17:03 |
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kj |
NotFound: exactly, that's what I thought |
| 17:03 |
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Infinoid |
"It's better than bad, it's good." |
| 17:03 |
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NotFound |
This sucks |
| 17:03 |
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purl |
Nothing sucks, it only BLOWS. |
| 17:03 |
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kj |
(prototype code)-- |
| 17:03 |
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Infinoid |
log++ |
| 17:04 |
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kj |
but apparently EXTERN is expanded differently based on the bison version?! |
| 17:05 |
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particle |
git fetch origin && git rebase master ## get changes from github's master, and merge with my local changes?? |
| 17:05 |
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Infinoid |
itym "git rebase origin" |
| 17:06 |
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Infinoid |
it's git rebase <from>, not git rebase <to> |
| 17:06 |
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particle |
sorry, i got the wrong command from the cheatsheet |
| 17:06 |
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Infinoid |
err. I think I failed to make it any clearer. |
| 17:06 |
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particle |
git rebase master is for a new branch |
| 17:06 |
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particle |
git fetch origin && git rebase origin |
| 17:06 |
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NotFound |
The funny thing is that is used only in symreg.c, there is no need to make it extern |
| 17:06 |
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Infinoid |
git rebase master means "take my local diffs and stack them on top of the stuff in the master branch" |
| 17:08 |
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particle |
i want the equivalent of "svn up" |
| 17:08 |
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Infinoid |
yeah, "git fetch && git rebase origin" |
| 17:08 |
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Infinoid |
or if you like, git pull --rebase |
| 17:08 |
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Infinoid |
(same thing.) |
| 17:11 |
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Infinoid |
I think we can make this simple |
| 17:11 |
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Infinoid |
in your ~/.gitconfig or /etc/gitconfig or whatever: |
| 17:11 |
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Infinoid |
[alias] |
| 17:11 |
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Infinoid |
update = pull --rebase |
| 17:11 |
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Infinoid |
now "git update" works. |
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| 17:16 |
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particle1 |
git doesn't seem to respect my .gitconfig, i need to modify one in every project root |
| 17:16 |
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Infinoid |
urk. |
| 17:16 |
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Infinoid |
msysgit, right? |
| 17:17 |
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particle1 |
in any case, my rebuild rakudo script (rbr.cmd) is now working |
| 17:17 |
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particle1 |
yes |
| 17:18 |
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Infinoid |
I'm gonna test msysgit a little, and bang out some bug reports if I can't find a better way :) |
| 17:18 |
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particle1 |
thanks! |
| 17:18 |
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particle1 |
i do have HOME defined, btw |
| 17:18 |
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particle1 |
so it's not that simple :) |
| 17:19 |
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Infinoid |
ok. but they might be preferring "gitconfig.ini" or somesuch on that platform |
| 17:19 |
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particle1 |
oh, and i'm using it via windows command shell, not git bash |
| 17:19 |
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particle1 |
hrmm. |
| 17:19 |
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Infinoid |
I don't know. if all else fails, I'll just run "strings" on their binary :) |
| 17:19 |
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Whiteknight |
particle1: Has your Inf/NaN work recently resolved RT #38887? |
| 17:22 |
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particle1 |
yes, will close now |
| 17:22 |
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dalek |
parrot: r36385 | NotFound++ | trunk/compilers/imcc: |
| 17:22 |
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dalek |
parrot: [imcc] drop EXTERN qualifier from the _namespace symbol, make it static and rename it creatively |
| 17:22 |
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dalek |
parrot: review: https://trac.parrot.org/parrot/changeset/36385/ |
| 17:24 |
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NotFound |
Many moons ago, there was a ticket about killing globals from imcc |
| 17:24 |
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particle1 |
kill them all! |
| 17:24 |
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purl |
http://www.monkeydyne.com/rmcs[…].phtml?rowid=7480 |
| 17:25 |
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kj |
I think the _namespace is one of the last few... |
| 17:25 |
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kj |
(hint hint ;-) |
| 17:26 |
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Whiteknight |
particle1++ |
| 17:26 |
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particle |
stupid net. |
| 17:26 |
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davidfetter |
anybody @ FOSDEM? |
| 17:27 |
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NotFound |
Infinoid: can you try it again now? |
| 17:33 |
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Infinoid |
NotFound: linked successfully, running testsuite now |
| 17:41 |
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Infinoid |
NotFound: All tests successful on linux-x86-64 with bison 2.4.1 |
| 17:41 |
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NotFound |
Good :) |
| 17:46 |
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Infinoid |
particle: C:\Program Files\Git\etc\gitconfig works for me |
| 17:46 |
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particle |
with no .? |
| 17:46 |
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particle |
hrmm |
| 17:47 |
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Infinoid |
yeah. There's a 3 level config inheritance scheme... first /etc/gitconfig, then overwritten with values from ~/.gitconfig, then overwritten with values from .git/config |
| 17:47 |
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Infinoid |
I'm still not sure where the $HOME one looks. |
| 17:47 |
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particle |
ok. i have c:\usr\git\etc\gitconfig, so at least i can modify that |
| 17:47 |
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Infinoid |
try adding [test] foo = bar, and see if it shows up in "git config -l" |
| 17:49 |
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particle |
wtf. |
| 17:49 |
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particle |
added [foo2] bar2 to %HOME%/.gitconfig and it worked |
| 17:49 |
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Infinoid |
I didn't do it, I swear |
| 17:50 |
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particle |
can aliases refer to each other? |
| 17:50 |
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particle |
alias.up=update ; alias.update=pull --rebase |
| 17:51 |
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Infinoid |
I don't know. But you can just stick whatever you want in a .cmd or .bat file and run that, if you prefer |
| 17:51 |
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Infinoid |
prefixing your command with ! means it's treated like a shell command |
| 17:51 |
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Infinoid |
more details are in 'git help config', for the interested. |
| 17:52 |
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particle |
C:\Users\particle>git up |
| 17:52 |
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particle |
Expansion of alias 'up' failed; 'update' is not a git-command |
| 17:52 |
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particle |
no worries though, fixed |
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particle |
infinoid++ |
| 17:54 |
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Infinoid |
Great. Next thing this box needs is ccache-win32. |
| 17:54 |
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particle |
seems git pull --master gives a non-zero exit if you're up to date already :( |
| 17:54 |
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particle |
annoying, but worked around. |
| 17:55 |
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particle |
ccache was easy to install config, now that i fixed parrot |
| 17:55 |
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particle |
install/config |
| 17:55 |
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* particle |
wants pmccache |
| 17:56 |
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Infinoid |
I was thinking of starting with strcache. But they're both useful ideas |
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Infinoid |
Ooh, doublequoting error on mingw |
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nopaste |
"Infinoid" at 96.238.213.50 pasted "mingw build failure" (47 lines) at http://nopaste.snit.ch/15502 |
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particle |
ugly |
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rurban |
-Wl,-L blib/lib can be removed from mingw |
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cotto |
NotFound++ #pesky_global__namespace |
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particle |
6629/145.86 |
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purl |
45.4476895653366 |
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particle |
6629/88.78 |
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purl |
74.6677179544943 |
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particle |
rakudo passes 45% of the official test suite, and 74% of its regression suite |
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particle |
wow. |
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chromatic |
7250 tests is halfway? |
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particle |
t/spec has 14586 tests |
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chromatic |
7293 |
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rurban |
Infinoid: do you fix this mingw double-quote or should I take it? |
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chromatic |
We could hit that in a month. |
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particle |
yeah, i think we can |
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Infinoid |
rurban: I'm at work, I won't have any tuits until this evening, please feel free :) |
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rurban |
hints: libparrot_ldflags => "\"$build_dir\\libparrot.dll\"", => dynpmc: # Paths need quoting as they may contain spaces. |
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rurban |
but the path is already quoted of course |
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nopaste |
"rurban" at 212.183.50.172 pasted "fix "mingw build failure" (47 lines) at http://nopaste.snit.ch/15502" (21 lines) at http://nopaste.snit.ch/15503 |
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rurban |
I'm running this through my "buildfarm" now but it should only affect mingw |
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nopaste |
"rurban" at 212.183.50.172 pasted "fix "mingw build failure" at http://nopaste.snit.ch/15502 #2" (22 lines) at http://nopaste.snit.ch/15504 |
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Infinoid |
Isn't it possible (but less likely) that someone may be building parrot on unix in a directory with spaces? |
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* Infinoid |
isn't really sure this needs to be a special case |
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chromatic |
It's possible. |
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Infinoid |
Though I suppose using quotes everywhere makes the build logs ugly |
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rurban |
pwd is space poisened? hmm, unusual, but should be thought of. |
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rurban |
We could check it in advance and quote the space with \ |
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rurban |
only cmd.exe cannot properly quote space with \, but there we have it quoted. |
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Infinoid |
Or just detect spaces in pwd, and only bother setting $PATHQUOTE in that case |
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Infinoid |
I dunno. |
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Infinoid |
I think that'd be nicer than just doing it in the $^O eq 'MSWin32' case |
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rurban |
true |
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rurban |
but what other chars need to be shell quoted then? |
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Infinoid |
space is by far the most common one |
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rurban |
perl5 has some qx logic to detect these chars and quote it corerctly then |
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rurban |
I'll have to leave in 15min so I won't do it either :) |
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nopaste |
"rurban" at 212.183.50.172 pasted "mingw msvcrt failures" (12 lines) at http://nopaste.snit.ch/15505 |
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rurban |
mingw32-make realclean => make -C languages clean process_begin: CreateProcess(NULL, make -C languages clean, ...) failed. |
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rurban |
make <=> mingw32-make |
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rurban |
But I'm not sure if this is a kosher error, or not a wrong rsync inbetween |
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rurban |
Oh, how I love my daily solaris: "No space left on device" ZFS is awsome |
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Infinoid |
heh |
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particle |
i thought zfs fixed everything! |
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rurban |
I came up now with this solution: zfs list -t snapshot | perl -ane 'system("zfs destroy $F[0]") unless /^NAME/' |
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rurban |
ZFS is a dream if you have enough space left |
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rurban |
if not you cannot even delete files anymore, boot and login neither |
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* Coke |
wonders if he can afford to go to any parrot cons this year. |
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rurban |
rm -rf /usr/X11R6 helps, hopefully |
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Whiteknight |
how do I add a new core PMC to the build? |
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rurban |
makefiles/root.in |
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rurban |
config/gen/makefiles/root.in exactly |
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Whiteknight |
where in root.in? I just looked through there and couldn't find any obvious place to add it? |
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Coke |
src/pmc/pmc.num ? |
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rurban |
config/auto/pmc.pm |
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rurban |
right: src/pmc/pmc.num |
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Whiteknight |
urg, is there a way to automatically renumber this list? |
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particle |
ack -af tools/ |
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particle |
or maybe ack -ag pmc tools/ |
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Whiteknight |
i found the "pmcrenumber" make target |
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Whiteknight |
yeah, that worked |
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Coke |
(renumber the list) hell, that would have been useful when I was removing pmcs. |
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Whiteknight |
I've got a prototype BigNum PMC I'm playing with |
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Whiteknight |
it's mostly te BigInt PMC run through a few regexes, but it's not bad |
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chromatic |
Why do we need a separate BigInt and BigNum? |
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Whiteknight |
GMP has two completely separate sets of functions for the two types |
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Whiteknight |
plus, one doesn't have decimal points |
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rurban |
well, one is exact, the other not. |
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chromatic |
I'm not sure GMP's model is right. |
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Whiteknight |
that sounds like a problem for the GMP people |
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Coke |
no; we can use external libraries, but we should still decide what /our/ API is. |
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Whiteknight |
We have an RT ticket that requests the creation of a BigNum PMC. ergo, I am writing one |
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Whiteknight |
and when we decide that it's a stupid thing to have, we can open a second ticket to have it removed |
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Whiteknight |
...and I'll rake in the karma on both transactions :) |
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chromatic |
I can see having Float and an Integer types, but I don't see a lot of benefit to having more than one arbitrary precision unlimited size type. |
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Whiteknight |
In which case, we would keep BigNum, since it's more general and useful then BigInt is |
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Whiteknight |
either way, we do need to write BigNum. The question is whether we keep a separate BigInt after the fact |
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chromatic |
Fair enough. |
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rurban |
BigInt is a special faster case of BigNum |
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Whiteknight |
questions like this are for the architect, I'm just a mindless grunt |
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barney |
BigInt can be abused as a BitArray |
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Whiteknight |
barney: STRINGs can do that too, and ResizableBooleanArray |
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barney |
Yes, I always thought the BigInt and ResizableBooleanArray should be merged |
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NotFound |
Please don't abuse STRINGs |
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Whiteknight |
NotFound: we have a binary: charset that can be used to turn strings into dumb buffers |
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NotFound |
We have it? Last time I asked was considered a bad idea. |
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Whiteknight |
BigInt seems to be more infinitely growable: BigNums have machine-dependent limits on manitissa size |
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Whiteknight |
NotFound: I thought we had it |
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chromatic |
Is that a GMP limitation? |
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Whiteknight |
chromatic: yes, based on the documentation I am seeing |
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Whiteknight |
looks like the mantissa of a BigNum can be +/-INT_MAX |
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NotFound |
Whiteknight: some people seem to think that latin-1 is a sort of plain binary charset. |
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chromatic |
What about IBM's fixed decimal math library? |
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Whiteknight |
I dont know anything about IBM's library |
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Whiteknight |
you have some kind of a link for it? |
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chromatic |
http://speleotrove.com/decimal/ |
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Whiteknight |
ideally, I think the BigNum and Bigint PMCs could both be wrappers over any number of math libraries, depending on what the user has on their system |
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chromatic |
Ugh. |
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chromatic |
I should elaborate. |
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chromatic |
"Ugh, installation, configuration, and run-time behavior differences problems leading to unpredictable and difficult-to-debug behavior." |
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Coke |
external libraries are ok IMO, but only if we're consistent about it. |
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NotFound |
For example, we are consistent about we use icu for unicode things, but people still complains about things that does not work without icu ;) |
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NotFound |
And when we add some quick fix to make it work, they use it to exemplarize that we have fallbacks. |
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rurban |
http://speleotrove.com/decimal/#summary looks weird to me. |
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rurban |
use decimal; should be tried out as perl5 pragma first. for financial stuff |
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dalek |
parrot: r36386 | kjs++ | trunk/languages/pod: |
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dalek |
parrot: [pod] add lists for blocks and =over lists. + add 'say' builtin |
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dalek |
parrot: review: https://trac.parrot.org/parrot/changeset/36386/ |
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dalek |
rakudo: f990451 | (Moritz Lenz)++ | tools/autounfudge.pl: |
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dalek |
rakudo: [tools/autounfudge.pl] various small updates |
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dalek |
rakudo: * follow symlinks |
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dalek |
rakudo: * allow finer graded control over what we want to have fudged |
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dalek |
rakudo: * a bit more documentation |
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dalek |
rakudo: review: http://github.com/rakudo/rakud[…]748d99cb09021c70d |
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shorten |
dalek's url is at http://xrl.us/bee3zs |
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GeJ |
Good morning everyone |
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NotFound |
Hey, stupid bots, you've stolen my commit message |
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cotto |
parrot: r36387 | NotFound++ | trunk/compilers/imcc: |
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cotto |
parrot: [imcc] kill EXTERN macros |
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cotto |
parrot: Drop unused block_emun_flags global variable |
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cotto |
parrot: Rename is_def symbol and declare and define it without macros |
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cotto |
parrot: review: https://trac.parrot.org/parrot/changeset/36387/ |
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cotto |
all better now |
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NotFound |
But you're not a bot, aren't you? |
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Tene |
I am! |
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chromatic |
Hm, instead of a pesky global, how about more flags on IMCC_INFO(interp)? |
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Infinoid |
No, see, that would be smart. |
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NotFound |
chromatic: the intention of the names is that someone gets rid of them. |
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chromatic |
Refactoring via verifiable baby steps is fine with me. |
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chromatic |
Hah, that's like the comment in the GC a while back that said "If you use this, it'll probably segfault." |
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NotFound |
I like better executable comments |
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chromatic |
It took less time to fix than it would have to write the comment. |
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NotFound |
Not to me, I fear touching imcc ;) |
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rg |
would someone mind telling the newbie, why you're still fiddling with imcc when pirc is supposedly the future? |
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Infinoid |
Because pirc isn't the present yet, apparently. |
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NotFound |
rg: becuse it brokes somenone's build |
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Infinoid |
Though pirc seems to be working fine, here |
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Infinoid |
(At least, examples/pir/substr.pir gets through it and runs fine) |
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particle |
compile rakudo with it. |
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khatar |
hello world |
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purl |
i guess hello world is http://www.roesler-ac.de/wolfram/hello.htm |
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Infinoid |
hello khatar |
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khatar |
i hope my question isn't too stupid: is it possible to write functions in haskell in order to link it to parrot through NCI ? |
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moritz |
haskell is said to have a pretty good NCI |
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moritz |
so you could probably embed parrot into haskell apps |
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moritz |
don't know how hard/easy it is the other way round |
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PerlJam |
moritz: not just probably; definitely. audrey did it. |
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khatar |
isn't NCI here to do the opposite ? (write in haskell, use in parrot) |
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PerlJam |
(but, yeah, I'm not sure about the other way around either. Not enouhg haskell-fu) |
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moritz |
khatar: NCI is for "write in C, use in parrot" |
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PerlJam |
khatar: if you can compile haskell code to a library with the C calling conventions, you can probably use NCI to get at it from parrot. |
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NotFound |
khatar: NCI is intended to interface with system libraries, that is, things that have a C interface. |
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khatar |
ok... so the question i have to answer isn't can NCI use haskell code but can ghc compile haskell with C calling conventions |
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khatar |
thanks guies |
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NotFound |
Alternatively, you can write a Haskell compiler in parrot |
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moritz |
;-) |
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khatar |
NotFound, haha i'm not skilled enought fot these kind of work |
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NotFound |
And then, compile pugs with it |
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khatar |
my first attempt is to write my wiki syntax grammar |
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dalek |
parrot: r36388 | NotFound++ | trunk/languages/ecmascript/src/classes/Boolean.pir: |
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dalek |
parrot: [ecmascript] fix Boolean stringify |
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dalek |
parrot: review: https://trac.parrot.org/parrot/changeset/36388/ |
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Whiteknight |
urg, 31 active tickets outstanding for the 0.9.1 release |
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moritz |
which is... when? |
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moritz |
in 9 days? |
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Whiteknight |
12 days |
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Whiteknight |
still, not much |
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Whiteknight |
has Rakudo moved to it's own repo yet? |
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Whiteknight |
seems like TT #267 could be closed when that happen |
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GeJ |
Whiteknight: the last commit in Parrot's rakudo is 4 days old. |
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GeJ |
I believe that development moved to github. |
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GeJ |
http://github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commits/master |
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chromatic |
If every committer fixed two or three tickets.... |
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Infinoid |
I'm too busy making new tickets |
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Infinoid |
(Translation: too busy being part of the problem.) |
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Whiteknight |
I'm closing tickets as fast as I can |
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Whiteknight |
I can close TT #178 if I can add an extra pointer to PObj and all isomorphic objects |
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Whiteknight |
the tradeoff is that eventually we will be taking the UnionVal structure out of them, which is a net win |
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Whiteknight |
plus, that extra pointer can be added conditionally only when the MS GC is active |
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chromatic |
I'm not sure that's the right approach. |
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Whiteknight |
I don't think it is either, which is why I mention it here and not just do it and commit it |
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ron |
Does anyone know why the object pmc forwards bitwise (and/or) and compare mmd vtable functions through the proxy pmc but won't use proxy on math vtable mmd functions? |
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chromatic |
Probably an oversight. |
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ron |
Should I post a bug note including the vtable mmd functions that seem to have been left out of lib/Parrot/Pmc2c/PMC.pm (sub vtable_method_does_multi)? |
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chromatic |
If you like. A test case would be even better. |
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ron |
Thanks - have a test case with cmp_num and hope to get to it today/tomorrow. |
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Whiteknight |
With the UnionVal gone, there won't be any pointers in a PObj at all |
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chromatic |
Evil thought: |
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chromatic |
a union containing a PObj and a GC pointer. |
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Whiteknight |
I had thought about that |
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Whiteknight |
probably going to run into all sorts of alignment problems |
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chromatic |
I wouldn't think so. |
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chromatic |
The compiler ought to pad any pointer sufficient that you can store it wherever it has to land. |
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chromatic |
As long as PObj is big enough to contain a single pointer (and it already contains one, right?) then it should work. |
