Camelia, the Perl 6 bug

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00:00 Coke that sounds like something that could break partcl. =-)
00:01 jrtayloriv What's an "Undef morph to Object bug"?
00:01 Coke Undef and Object are PMC types.
00:01 Coke morph is when a PMC changes its type.
00:02 chromatic This might fix some of your seggies, Coke.
00:03 jrtayloriv Coke, OK -- thanks.
00:06 dalek parrot: r41373 | chromatic++ | trunk (2 files):
00:06 dalek parrot: [PMC] Fixed Undef's set_pmc() VTABLE: when assigning an Object to an Undef, the
00:06 dalek parrot: Undef PMC ended up getting the Object's *Class*'s vtable, not the Object's
00:06 dalek parrot: vtable.  Understandably this causes confusion, especially as the attribute
00:06 dalek parrot: structs of Class and Object are very different.
00:06 dalek parrot: Added Undef morph to Object test to ensure that the morph gets the right
00:06 dalek parrot: review: https://trac.parrot.org/parrot/changeset/41373/
00:09 dalek TT #1023 created by allison++: [TODO] Explore using Apple's new Blocks and Grand Central Dispatch
00:11 Coke chromatic: i bet that's the cause of "must be created by an object" errors.
00:11 chromatic It's a likely explanation!
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00:15 dalek TT #1024 created by allison++: [CAGE] OpenGL deprecations in Mac OS 10.6
00:21 dalek close: r114 | Austin++ | trunk/t/ (4 files):
00:21 dalek close: Tests 03, 05 work, new-style.
00:21 dalek close: review: http://code.google.com/p/close/source/detail?r=114
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01:07 mikehh All tests PASS (pre/post-config, smoke, nqp_test, fulltest) at r41373 - Ubuntu 9.04 amd64
01:08 mikehh that's me for a bit - need sleep - bbl
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01:51 Tene purl: msg whiteknight Can you make a ticket that lists all of the tasks that need to be done for current IO work?  I'd like to work on that over the next two weeks.
01:51 purl Message for whiteknight stored.
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02:28 Coke one of the things tcl needs to track are the arguments passed to a sub up the chain.
02:28 Coke any way to get that?
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02:34 Tene Probably not conveniently, are they available in the context?
02:34 Tene you could store them in a context variable...
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02:36 Coke what's a context variable?
02:37 Coke (like, a hidden variable in the lexpad?)
02:38 Tene like Perl 6's $*foo
02:38 Tene scoped by the dynamic context, not the lexical context.  searches the caller, not the outer.
02:39 Tene look for rakudo's !find_contextual function
02:40 Tene src/builtins/globals.pir
02:40 Tene it uses the find_dynamic_lex opcode... is that a rakudo dynop
02:40 Tene ?
02:40 Coke ... I have no idea what you're talking about. =-)
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02:42 nopaste "tene" at 24.10.252.130 pasted "Perl 6 example for Coke++" (3 lines) at http://nopaste.snit.ch/18005
02:42 Austin Tene: Do you know anything about recursive compiling with PCT? (Is Rakudo doing it?)
02:42 Tene Austin: Um, recursive compiling?
02:43 Tene I don't know what that means.
02:43 Austin Compiler calling itself -- like in {{{ use Foo; }}} or {{{ #include <string> }}}
02:43 Coke ok. by default, tcl's variables don't work like that; if you want something to bind to a variable in a higher scope, you have to explicitly mention how high up.
02:44 Coke and there's no "this var with the same name overrides the var in the higher scope with the same name.
02:44 Tene Coke: That's just an example of Perl 6 looking up a variable in its caller instead of its outer.
02:45 Coke ... ok. tcl doesn't have :outer, either. =-)
02:45 Tene You said you had no idea what I was talkking about, and now you do.  That's done with the find_dynamic_lex opcode.
02:46 Tene But, looks like it's not going to do what you need.
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02:48 Tene You *should* be able to walk the caller chain... I'd guess that there should be a method on the context pmc.
02:49 Austin What's the difference between find_dynamic_lex and find_caller_lex ?
02:49 Austin Or is it a renaming?
02:50 Tene Austin: "Like find_dynamic_lex above, but also searches caller's
02:50 Tene outer scopes in addition to the lexpads."
02:51 Tene Austin: Yes, rakudo invokes the compiler while compiling to handle use statements.
02:51 Tene Austin: what do you want to know about it?
02:51 Coke Tene: how would one get the context pmc from the interpreter?
02:51 Austin So find_dynamic only finds things defined in the subs on the call stack, while find_caller_lex searches for things visible at each point on the call stack?
02:52 Coke (there's sub, continuation, lexpad, namespace, outer, annotations, globals)
02:52 Tene Um... >.>
02:52 Tene Maybe you can't, yet?  If so, that's a bug, I think.
02:53 Coke looks like continuation is supposed to contain a context, but I see no way to get it out.
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02:56 Austin What is the approach? Does it compile into byte code and load, or just merge the syntax trees?
02:58 Tene The former.
02:58 purl the former is a Key and the latter is a STRING
02:58 Austin Okay, thanks.
02:59 Tene Austin: look at the following in rakudo:
02:59 Tene src/parser/actions.pm +443
02:59 Tene which calls: src/builtins/eval.pir +146
03:08 Tene Austin: does that answer your question?
03:10 Austin Ayup. I was wanting theory more than anything.
03:10 Tene For the theory, it just compiles and invokes it, and just expects that the invoked code will put something in the appropriate namespace.
03:11 dalek close: r115 | Austin++ | trunk/ (3 files):
03:11 dalek close: Got bitwise tests working new-style
03:11 dalek close: review: http://code.google.com/p/close/source/detail?r=115
03:12 Austin Yeah. Kind of divergent for me - I'm compiling, so I need the info available internally.
03:12 Austin I'm going to try to just run the 'past' phase and return that.
03:15 Coke bah. I think I'm going to have to scrap this work, and start over with a refactor first.
03:17 cotto hi
03:24 Austin Hello, cotto.
03:24 Tene hi cotto
03:35 cotto hi cotto
03:35 cotto oh wait
03:37 Coke Hey, coke.
03:40 Coke zzz
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04:04 dalek close: r116 | Austin++ | trunk/t/ (2 files):
04:04 dalek close: Got logical-expr tests working new-style
04:04 dalek close: review: http://code.google.com/p/close/source/detail?r=116
04:06 Austin Is the install/config data available from within parrot?
04:06 Austin That is, how do I open an "installed" library file?
04:20 cotto Hmm.  Apparently llvm only supports generating 16 MB of code.  It'll be fun if they haven't fixed that by the time we get to that point.
04:46 cotto it'd be silly to worry about that now, though
05:09 Austin rakudo: say(0o777);
05:09 polyglotbot OUTPUT[Parrot VM: Can't stat languages/perl6/perl6.pbc, code 2.␤main: Packfile loading failed␤]
05:09 Austin :(
05:10 dalek parrot: r41374 | allison++ | trunk/src/gc/system.c:
05:10 dalek parrot: [cage] Move variable declaration before code to satisfy C90 requirement.
05:10 dalek parrot: Resolves build failure on Ubuntu Karmic ia64. Thanks to Colin Watson for the
05:10 dalek parrot: fix.
05:10 dalek parrot: review: https://trac.parrot.org/parrot/changeset/41374/
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06:34 azawawi hi
06:34 purl hola, azawawi.
06:35 azawawi any idea why rakudo fails to build on 2003 server 64-bit? http://gist.github.com/189558
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09:44 Whiteknight good morning parrot
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10:07 mikehh whatcha Whiteknight
10:07 Whiteknight hello mikehh
10:09 mikehh I was looking at some LLVm stuff and trying out some of your blog suggestions, not getting as far as I would like :-{
10:16 azawawi any idea why rakudo fails to build on 2003 server 64-bit? http://gist.github.com/189558
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10:23 azawawi ah github screwed the output, is it a parrot-related build failure or not? http://pastebin.ca/1572708
10:33 mikehh oops - didn't report some test results
10:34 Austin good morning, WhiteKnight
10:34 mikehh All tests PASS (pre/post-config, smoke, nqp_test, fulltest) at r41374 - Ubuntu 9.04 amd64
10:35 mikehh partcl r742 builds on parrot r41374 - make test PASS - Ubuntu 9.04 amd64
10:36 Whiteknight good morning Austin
10:37 Austin What's new in Philadelphia?
10:38 Austin (I think I have a PGE/regex bug)
10:39 moritz inconceivable!
10:39 purl You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
10:39 moritz purl: thanks for your enlightening analysis
10:41 mikehh rakudo (2c40a5b) builds on parrot r41374 - make test / make spectest (up to 28320) PASS - Ubuntu 9.04 amd64
10:42 Whiteknight Austin: what's the bug?
10:42 purl somebody said the bug was http://www.cbttape.org/funny/bug3.jpg or http://img227.imageshack.us​/img227/2596/featureiu1.jpg
10:43 Austin I have a list of reserved words in a token:  token RESERVED { [ ... in | inline | int | ... ] >> }
10:43 Austin You'll note the end-of-word marker
10:43 Austin I have a BAREWORD rule that says    token BAREWORD { <!RESERVED> <.ident> }
10:43 mikehh I still get the occaisional Non-zero wait status: 11 exit (a couple of hours ago) but when I reran the tests it didn't occur
10:44 Austin And yet, I'm still getting a match for 'int' as a BAREWORD.
10:47 Whiteknight hmmm, that's weird
10:48 Austin I believe it is due to the short prefix (in) appearing before the longer forms (e.g., int, inline) and the fact that tokens don't backtrack.
10:48 Austin So it's arguably "not a bug, but a ..."
10:49 Austin OTOH, I have #include working in grammar.
10:50 Austin (with some significant restrictions...)
10:55 Whiteknight Austin: that very well may be true. You might want to order the tokens in RESERVED from largest to smallest to avoid that
10:59 Austin Yeah, that's what I did. It worked.
10:59 Whiteknight w00t
11:00 Whiteknight once they get longest token matching added, you shouldn't need to worry about that stuff
11:00 Austin :)
11:00 Whiteknight but LTM is non-trivia
11:00 Whiteknight trivial
11:02 * Whiteknight has to disappear for the day
11:02 Whiteknight later
11:02 Austin eyb
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11:49 bacek Good evening
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11:50 Austin good morning, bacek
11:51 bacek Austin: howizgoin'?
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11:52 Austin sokay. 'owyoudoin'?
11:53 Austin "How ya doin'?" (Jersey-style) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=​_elUqZtHdzw&amp;feature=related
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12:07 dalek TT #980 closed by bacek++: GC Refactor
12:13 bacek bah... imcc suck. It stores duplicated constants.
12:14 moritz bacek: just bring pirc up to date, fix the bugs, make it the default, and forget imcc ;-)
12:15 bacek moritz: it's not my way!
12:15 bacek Implementation of generating PBC from POST is much funny :)
12:16 bacek -Ofun as usual ;-)
12:18 bacek (And is actually about 80% of PIR compiler in PCT)
12:18 dalek parrot: r41375 | fperrad++ | trunk/tools/install/smoke_languages.pl:
12:18 dalek parrot: [languages] add Blizkost
12:18 dalek parrot: review: https://trac.parrot.org/parrot/changeset/41375/
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12:33 flh is overloading of a grammar supported by PGE?
12:33 moritz subclassing is supported
12:35 flh all I have to do is "grammar Subgrammar is ParentGrammar;" at the top of my file?
12:35 moritz in Perl 6 that works - I don't know if PGE makes it accessable so easily
12:36 flh currently, it complains about "TOP" not being found in the subgrammar
12:36 flh (I haven't redefined the TOP rule in Subgrammar, I want to keep the one from ParentGrammar)
12:36 Austin You need to do a better job merging. Are you using the P6object stuff?
12:36 moritz in Perl 6 it currently doesn't work when you refer to Subgrammar::TOP directly, but Subgrammar.parse($str) works
12:39 flh ok, I found it I think: HLLCompiler.pir uses "top = get_hll_global $P0, 'TOP'" to get the TOP rule: of course, it doesn't search in parent classes
12:40 moritz there's a Perl 6 ticket open for that too, I think... lemme check
12:41 moritz http://rt.perl.org/rt3/Tic​ket/Display.html?id=65474
12:41 Austin flh: Take another look. That doesn't do what you think it does.
12:42 flh ooops, lunchtime, I'll look at that later...
12:43 Austin HLLCompiler calls self.parsegrammar, for a parsegrammar object, then checks if that can do TOP in a couple of different ways. One way is if the parsegrammar is a namespace-name, then it checks for a TOP sub (not method).
12:44 Austin I think you just need to make sure parsegrammar returns an object that can do TOP. If you're using p6object to subclass, you should get it free. Otherwise, just add a TOP method.
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13:00 flh If I look at the .pir generated by PGE from my grammars, it uses p6object to subclass
13:04 Austin So if your parent has a TOP, you should get it via inheritance.
13:05 flh this doesn't prevent HLLCompiler from complaining it cannot find TOP :)
13:05 Austin Do you have the ancestors loaded?
13:06 flh they're all in the same file
13:07 Austin How did you get to the current configuration?
13:07 Austin Did you copy the parent.pir file, or use the create_language script to make a new language or what?
13:10 flh shall I upload the git repository somewhere, if you want to look at it? (It's fairly small, and only three files are involved here)
13:11 Austin Sure, that'll work.
13:11 Austin Put it up on github or some such
13:11 Austin (Plan for success...)
13:14 flh it's here: git://github.com/flh/genfile.git
13:16 flh interesting parts are src/parser/parser.pg and src/parser/makefile.pg
13:16 flh and I'd like to use the Makefile grammar in genfile.pir
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13:19 Austin I don't have makefile.pg
13:19 flh I forgot it in the first push, but it's there now
13:20 Austin k
13:21 Austin How do I make it break?
13:23 flh it should break right now, with: make PARROT_CONFIG=/path/to/parrot_config && echo "hello @path@"|./genfile --target=parse
13:23 flh I'm getting "Cannot find TOP regex in Makefile"
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13:28 Austin Ok
13:28 Austin Let me try something
13:29 Austin nope
13:31 Austin Hmm. I can change the error message.
13:31 Austin :)
13:32 flh I've had a full range of different messages, from Null PMC access to something weird in the actions file
13:32 dalek parrot: r41376 | bacek++ | trunk/t/pmc/fixedintegerarray.t:
13:32 dalek parrot: [t] Rewrite FIA test in PIR
13:32 dalek parrot: review: https://trac.parrot.org/parrot/changeset/41376/
13:32 Austin The first problem I saw is that parrot executes :init subs in the order they appear in teh file.
13:32 dalek markdown: 76b5856 | fperrad++ |  (3 files):
13:32 dalek markdown: refactor with load_language
13:32 dalek markdown: review: http://github.com/fperrad/markdown/commit​/76b58569b9cd872b3ece6297ad8dbc6afda56d5a
13:33 Austin So the compiler startup code is referencing symbols that won't be defined until the .include code gets processed.
13:33 Austin I changed the parsegrammar call to pass a string.
13:41 dalek lua: 5f23e04 | fperrad++ | src/lib/markdown.pir:
13:41 dalek lua: now, load_language 'markdown'
13:41 dalek lua: review: http://github.com/fperrad/lua/commit/5f​23e0436ddc5bcfe92cd4a7d30856d376616bef
13:41 dalek lua: 00e199c | fperrad++ |  (7 files):
13:41 dalek lua: refactor with load_language
13:41 dalek lua: review: http://github.com/fperrad/lua/commit/00​e199c03801558fd32ec35eff4e2cde5e326143
13:41 Austin What should @hello@ do?
13:42 dalek parrot: r41377 | bacek++ | trunk (2 files):
13:42 dalek parrot: [core] Implement FixedIntegerArray.is_equal
13:42 dalek parrot: review: https://trac.parrot.org/parrot/changeset/41377/
13:42 Austin http://nopaste.org/p/aXq8luZvjb
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13:43 flh for the moment, anything between @...@ should be deleted
13:43 flh so your nopaste is correct on the "@hello@" input
13:44 dalek markdown: fa9fa23 | fperrad++ | markdown/.gitignore:
13:44 dalek markdown: add a .gitignore
13:44 dalek markdown: review: http://github.com/fperrad/markdown/commit​/fa9fa23dab663476875bb2dbc1f4e350e1102d5c
13:44 Austin http://nopaste.org/p/a7VY54hkK
13:44 Austin That's a patch
13:45 Austin You've /really/ got to be wary of setting .HLL
13:46 dalek lua: ad774ba | fperrad++ | lua/library/ (2 files):
13:46 dalek lua: add some .gitignore
13:46 dalek lua: review: http://github.com/fperrad/lua/commit/ad​774ba918e5c6394bb7dbd6869b975893ae8e72
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13:47 flh wow, indeed, the cause seems to be .HLL
13:49 dalek parrot: r41378 | bacek++ | trunk (2 files):
13:49 dalek parrot: [core] Implement PackfileConstatTable.get_or_create_constant for PMC
13:49 dalek parrot: values.
13:49 dalek parrot: review: https://trac.parrot.org/parrot/changeset/41378/
13:49 flh so does this means that a HLL which needs to subclass a grammar cannot live in its own namespace?
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13:52 * bacek making little steps to implement PBC generation from POST so no one will notice and stop him.
13:52 Austin No, it means that doing anything with HLLs across the boundary from one to another is really hard.
13:53 Austin Doing grammar inheritance across the boundary is probably really, really, really hard.
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13:57 flh I find this behaviour really disappointing: I'll try to make it qualify as a bug in some way :)
13:57 Austin Good luck. :)
13:58 jonathan You should be able to subclass over the boundary.
13:58 jonathan Rakudo lives in its own HLL and I think we're doing that.
13:58 jonathan We have to import some stuff, iirc.
14:01 dalek markdown: c08ff6c | fperrad++ |  (2 files):
14:01 dalek markdown: remove target markdown@exe@
14:01 dalek markdown: avoid conflict (on linux) with the directory markdown
14:02 dalek markdown: review: http://github.com/fperrad/markdown/commit​/c08ff6c196a45777b9123d4ee606d45c56c5ba6d
14:06 dalek parrot: r41379 | bacek++ | trunk (2 files):
14:06 dalek parrot: [core] Implement PackfileRawSegment.push_integer
14:06 dalek parrot: review: https://trac.parrot.org/parrot/changeset/41379/
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14:21 dalek lua: bdd0d56 | fperrad++ | library/.gitignore:
14:21 dalek lua: remove directory library
14:21 dalek lua: review: http://github.com/fperrad/lua/commit/bd​d0d56c05144efe0f1b8bcf44e4612af26b6e16
14:22 dalek lua: 52d9285 | fperrad++ |  (2 files):
14:22 dalek lua: remove target lua@exe@
14:22 dalek lua: avoid conflict (on linux) with directory lua
14:22 dalek lua: review: http://github.com/fperrad/lua/commit/52​d9285a8a5072e146a72dd0ed64c1674be90901
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14:39 jonathan bacek_at_work: Here's a segfault bt you may be intersted in when you get chance to look: http://paste.lisp.org/display/87352
15:03 dalek wmlscript: f8309d5 | fperrad++ |  (2 files):
15:03 dalek wmlscript: don't build not installable executable
15:03 dalek wmlscript: review: http://github.com/fperrad/wmlscript/commit​/f8309d5e8fc343729552311eb9291610445dc5a5
15:03 dalek parrot: r41380 | fperrad++ | trunk/tools/dev/mk_inno_language.pl:
15:03 dalek parrot: [languages] cleanup (after load_language convertion)
15:03 dalek parrot: review: https://trac.parrot.org/parrot/changeset/41380/
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19:48 mikehh All tests PASS (pre/post-config, smoke, nqp_test, fulltest) at r41380 - Ubuntu 9.04 amd64
19:48 mikehh partcl r742 builds on parrot r41380 - make test PASS - Ubuntu 9.04 amd64
19:55 mikehh rakudo (2c40a5b) builds on parrot r41380 - make test / make spectest (up to 28329) PASS - Ubuntu 9.04 amd64
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21:00 bacek Good morning #parrot
21:00 bacek jonathan: ping
21:01 GeJ Good morning everyone.
21:02 GeJ G'Day bacek
21:03 bacek G'Day GeJ
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21:21 bacek msg jonathan How I can recreate segfault from your message?
21:21 purl Message for jonathan stored.
21:22 Topic for #parrotis now http://www.parrot.org | Parrot 1.6.0 "half-pie" released: The JIT is dead! | Testing priorities: Exception and MultiSub
21:23 cotto msg allison could you shut down the pvmw mailing list?  It's outlived its usefulness and is getting nothing but spam at this point.
21:23 purl Message for allison stored.
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21:49 dalek parrot: r41381 | bacek++ | trunk/t/pmc/fixedstringarray.t:
21:49 dalek parrot: [t] Rewrite FixedStringArray test into PIR.
21:49 dalek parrot: review: https://trac.parrot.org/parrot/changeset/41381/
21:59 dalek parrot: r41382 | bacek++ | trunk (2 files):
21:59 dalek parrot: [core] Implement FSA.get_string and FSA.is_equal
21:59 dalek parrot: review: https://trac.parrot.org/parrot/changeset/41382/
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22:47 mikehh All tests PASS (pre/post-config, smoke, nqp_test, fulltest) at r41382 - Ubuntu 9.04 amd64
22:54 mikehh partcl r742 builds on parrot r41382 - make test PASS - Ubuntu 9.04 amd64
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23:42 dalek tracwiki: v100 | coke++ | WikiStart
23:42 dalek tracwiki: https://trac.parrot.org/parrot/wiki/W​ikiStart?version=100&amp;action=diff
23:46 dalek tracwiki: v1 | coke++ | DebuggerTaskList
23:46 dalek tracwiki: https://trac.parrot.org/parrot/wiki/Deb​uggerTaskList?version=1&amp;action=diff
23:49 dalek tracwiki: v2 | coke++ | DebuggerTaskList
23:49 dalek tracwiki: https://trac.parrot.org/parrot/wiki/Deb​uggerTaskList?version=2&amp;action=diff
23:49 dalek parrot: r41383 | coke++ | trunk/src/debug.c:
23:49 dalek parrot: This was just a generic todo comment. Remove from ticket status.
23:49 dalek parrot: review: https://trac.parrot.org/parrot/changeset/41383/
23:53 dalek tracwiki: v3 | coke++ | DebuggerTaskList
23:53 dalek tracwiki: https://trac.parrot.org/parrot/wiki/Deb​uggerTaskList?version=3&amp;action=diff

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