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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 00:00 | dukeleto | lichtkind: the API keeps getting better |
| 00:00 | dalek | TT #1410 closed by plobsing++: [DEPRECATED] 'v' as an nci argument signature |
| 00:00 | darbelo | There's been setbacks. The design has mutated since. |
| 00:01 | 8 years ago, we didn't know what the right thing was. | |
| 00:01 | We like to think we've pinned it down since. | |
| 00:01 | :) | |
| 00:02 | NotFound | And if you don't know what the right thing is, you can do it by mistake. Now we avoid that ;) |
| 00:03 | chromatic | We're like Perl 5 and Haskell together! We avoid doing the right thing by mistake at all costs. |
| 00:03 | lichtkind | and i thought dan had a masterplan and all roled out |
| 00:04 | darbelo | I came here after dan left. So I can't speak to his master plan. All I know is I didn't get a copy. |
| 00:04 | cconstantine joined #parrot | |
| 00:04 | * dukeleto | didn't get a copy either |
| 00:04 | dukeleto | lichtkind: are you writing an HLL on top of Parrot? |
| 00:05 | lichtkind | dukeleto: no i just writing articles and end user tuts but i am interested |
| 00:05 | NotFound | I though we just use the Force. |
| 00:06 | lichtkind | dukeleto: when parrot has a wx binding im interested :) |
| 00:06 | Whiteknight | I would love to see more "master plan" stuff documented |
| 00:06 | dukeleto | lichtkind: cool! we need more end user tutorials. I am giving a talk about Parrot at PDX.pm in a few weeks, and I would love to tell people about tutorials |
| 00:06 | Whiteknight | the PDDs always strike me as being hollow and partial |
| 00:06 | chromatic | I haven't seen many PDDs written from the point of view of the users of the PDD. |
| 00:07 | dukeleto | PDDs are necessary and useful for devs, but not mere mortals |
| 00:07 | not saying they can't be, but that seems to be the state of things | |
| 00:07 | * darbelo | wonders if they work for mere mortal devs. |
| 00:07 | lichtkind | im currently writing november conent but when im finished with that maybe i could write some parrot stuff to |
| 00:07 | NotFound | lichtkind: wxwidgets? |
| 00:07 | purl | i think wxwidgets is the new name for wxWindows, an open-source cross-platform native UI framework |
| 00:08 | lichtkind | it is |
| 00:08 | NotFound: yes | |
| 00:08 | i also write a p6 tutorial with a section about the interpreter but never wrote directly about parrot | |
| 00:09 | what you guys think is needed? | |
| 00:09 | NotFound | lichtkind: I don't look at it since some time. There is some C binding, or is only C++? |
| 00:09 | dukeleto | slightly OT: this is a great blog post about Factor's VM: http://factor-language.blogspo[…]-with-factor.html |
| 00:09 | Whiteknight | in many cases I've found the PDDs to be less helpful and explanatory of the "big picture" than the inline function documentation |
| 00:09 | of course, I wrote much inline function documentation, so I may be partial | |
| 00:09 | chromatic | I've generally found the PDDs to explain *what* to implement, not how or why. |
| 00:09 | lichtkind | NotFound: its written in c++ and has a huuuge API ask mattia he uses M4 scripts to assemble this whole stuff |
| 00:10 | Whiteknight | chromatic: maybe I'm tainted by PDD09, which is little more than a rehash of the inline function documentation of src/gc/api.c |
| 00:10 | chromatic | No kidding. |
| 00:10 | lichtkind | yeah factor ist one of my interests |
| 00:11 | dukeleto | lichtkind: would you like to work on Factor on Parrot? http://github.com/leto/kea |
| 00:11 | lichtkind: do you have a github username? i can give you a bit | |
| 00:12 | lichtkind | dukeleto: no becaue a) i dont know factor enough and b) my project called kephra is very time consuming |
| 00:12 | dukeleto | lichtkind: no worries. Kephra the editor? |
| 00:13 | lichtkind | dukeleto: yes my baby |
| 00:13 | dukeleto | lichtkind: cool |
| 00:13 | Whiteknight | GSOC 2010 just got confirmed. We should come up with a list of projects |
| 00:14 | I would love to see AIO, Threads, JIT, Optimizations, Lorito, and other cool projects get mentioned | |
| 00:15 | chromatic | AIO and Lorito seem compelling. Maybe a GC. |
| 00:15 | plobsing | can miniparrot run nqp? |
| 00:15 | chromatic | Speaking of GC, we really need to get that underway for Rakudo. |
| 00:16 | cconstantine | I'm most interested in seeing threads.. one of my plans for Reason is to include some kind of clojure style STM |
| 00:17 | dukeleto | Whiteknight: interesting! RTEMS and other embedded projects are very possible |
| 00:17 | Whiteknight | what about the RTEMS port needs a summers-worth of work? |
| 00:18 | lichtkind | what is miniparrot? |
| 00:18 | purl | it has been said that miniparrot is segfaulting in the branch now, didn't last time I looked at it |
| 00:18 | dukeleto | lichtkind: kind of like miniperl, a bootstrap-ish parrot that has very little or no loading of dynamic code |
| 00:18 | plobsing | lichtkind: miniparrot is parrot minus some features. used in the build. not for end users really. |
| 00:18 | lichtkind | purl: that doenst help me |
| 00:18 | purl | lichtkind: huh? |
| 00:18 | chromatic | purl, miniparrot? |
| 00:18 | purl | it has been said that miniparrot is segfaulting in the branch now, didn't last time I looked at it |
| 00:18 | dukeleto | lichtkind: purl is a sassy bot |
| 00:19 | chromatic | purl forget miniparrot |
| 00:19 | purl | chromatic: I forgot miniparrot |
| 00:19 | chromatic | botsnack |
| 00:19 | purl | :) |
| 00:19 | dukeleto | purl, die in a fire |
| 00:19 | purl | HALP |
| 00:19 | darbelo | Whiteknight: Getting Configure in shape to support cross-compiling is at least half a summer. |
| 00:19 | Whiteknight | ah, a cross-compiling configuration system would be hot |
| 00:19 | chromatic | purl, miniparrot is Parrot minus some features for use in the build. It's not for end users. |
| 00:19 | purl | OK, chromatic. |
| 00:19 | dukeleto | Whiteknight darbelo: cross-compiling support is now holding up porting Parrot to at least 2 embedded platforms |
| 00:20 | Whiteknight | chromatic: no way in hell we're getting in a good GC before Rakudo* |
| 00:20 | dukeleto | i got word that I will get sample hardware from http://www.buglabs.net/ so I can port Parrot to their embedded linux distro. they are very nice folks |
| 00:20 | lichtkind | dukeleto: i thought you have an parrot docs why need additional doku? |
| 00:20 | chromatic | Whiteknight, I think it's doable. |
| 00:20 | dukeleto | lichtkind: say what? |
| 00:20 | purl | it has been said that say is the new println |
| 00:21 | darbelo | dukeleto: Given that I'll be attending a workshop on embedded platforms next month, I'm pretty much interested in getting parrot there. |
| 00:21 | dukeleto | oh println, probably the first function I ever invoked |
| 00:21 | Whiteknight | chromatic: then we need a solid plan. Something less nebulous than "I think it has to be generational" |
| 00:21 | dukeleto | darbelo: which workshop? |
| 00:21 | lichtkind | dukeleto: what kinf of docs you exaclty miss for parrot? |
| 00:21 | dukeleto | darbelo: congrats, you are on the Parrot+BUG team! |
| 00:21 | Whiteknight | chromatic: we need a specific algorithm and a list of steps needed to implement it |
| 00:22 | dukeleto | lichtkind: we need a nice end-user doc for "how to start a new language with Parrot" |
| 00:22 | Whiteknight | writing the GC never takes nearly as long as debugging it |
| 00:22 | dukeleto | lichtkind: a guide to using NQP-based tools. we had a squaak tutorial, but it is now outdated |
| 00:22 | darbelo | The one in the SASE, it's based on mbed's cortex M3 boards. |
| 00:23 | chromatic | I'm happy to write an algorithm; it's encapsulating the current GC to make it possible to switch between the two that trips me. |
| 00:23 | cconstantine | speaking of making languages how would I go about adding members to my HLL compiler? |
| 00:23 | lichtkind | darbelo: what is SASE? |
| 00:23 | purl | hmmm... SASE is Self Addressed Stamped Envelope |
| 00:24 | plobsing | purl++ # for once |
| 00:24 | lichtkind | purl that doesnt help either |
| 00:24 | purl | lichtkind: excuse me? |
| 00:24 | darbelo | Oh, of course. "Simposio Argentino de Sistemas Embebidos" |
| 00:25 | lichtkind | dukeleto: got it, if i had a clone i would write rebol compiler for parrot but im writing a parrot page in the november wiki for the start |
| 00:25 | darbelo | It's a big event to promote embedded systems development in academia. So to speak. |
| 00:25 | dukeleto | lichtkind: sounds like a good start |
| 00:26 | darbelo: so you will be there to represent Parrot? Awesome! | |
| 00:26 | Whiteknight | chromatic: I'm looking at bacek's gc_encapsulate branch now, does that do what you need? |
| 00:26 | chromatic | I don't know. |
| 00:26 | bacek_at_work | it does. |
| 00:26 | purl | if you say so... |
| 00:26 | darbelo | dukeleto: Not really. It's a "Show academia what the industry's been up to" kind of event. |
| 00:26 | bacek_at_work | We can properly use Boehm GC after this branch |
| 00:27 | Whiteknight | bacek_at_work: okay, nice. I'm lookig at the diff now |
| 00:27 | chromatic | Heh, "properly" |
| 00:27 | Whiteknight | chromatic: I would love to see some profile and benchmark information about the string compactor if you have that info |
| 00:27 | bacek_at_work | chromatic, yes. Without branch we can't pass memory layout to Boehm |
| 00:28 | Whiteknight | bacek: have you tried it with Boehm? |
| 00:28 | darbelo | dukeleto: As a studen't I'm on the academia side. I'm going there to learn what the industry's been up to. |
| 00:28 | bacek_at_work | Whiteknight, not yet. It's not finished. |
| 00:29 | Whiteknight | bacek_at_work: ah, right |
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| 00:33 | chromatic | String compactor? |
| 00:34 | dukeleto | darbelo: sounds good. try to get free samples of hardware :) |
| 00:34 | darbelo | I'll keep an eye out for unguarded cortex boards ;) |
| 00:36 | Whiteknight | chromatic: src/gc/alloc_resources.c, especially compact_pool(), alloc_new_block() and mem_allocate() |
| 00:36 | dukeleto | darbelo: good man! |
| 00:39 | ash_ | what kind of hardware? |
| 00:42 | darbelo | The workshop will be based on the mbed cortex-M3. |
| 00:42 | But I'm not picky whn I'm begging. ;) | |
| 00:43 | ash_ | i know someone that just got one |
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| 00:44 | lichtkind | was speaking so much about kicking and was kicked out of the internet |
| 00:44 | have take more care of my jedi powers | |
| 00:44 | ash_ | an mbed, he's got some version of python running on it, which i thought was kinda cool |
| 00:45 | lichtkind | hm the chatlogs says that my last comment didnt made it |
| 00:45 | dukeleto: its a chain of kicking the ass, i as a november user kick masak for all the missing feature, he kicks jonathan because whats missing in rakudo to develope november and he kicks patrick because PCT and he kicks you :) | |
| 00:53 | cconstantine | is anyone else having problems getting to http://www.parrotcode.org |
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| 00:54 | darbelo | cconstantine: In an ideal workld everyone would have trouble getting to parrotcode.org |
| 00:54 | That site's obsolete. | |
| 00:54 | cconstantine | oh? |
| 00:54 | I'm looking for a reference for hte PAST types | |
| 00:55 | darbelo | You'll have a better chance on parrot.org, maybe. |
| 00:55 | And on that note I depart on the hunt for foods. | |
| 01:00 | dukeleto | lichtkind: recursive ass-kicking is quite effective |
| 01:00 | yet another reason to kill parrotcode.org | |
| 01:00 | it *really* confuses people | |
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| 01:06 | Whiteknight | NFG and a strings refactor might be a good project idea |
| 01:09 | dukeleto | Whiteknight: New Found Glory are getting into the VM game now? |
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| 01:20 | cconstantine | is there anyway to define multi methods in the PAST? |
| 01:20 | lichtkind | good night |
| 01:21 | cconstantine | 'night |
| 01:32 | lichtkind | thanks |
| 01:40 | Whiteknight | dukeleto: I don't see why not. Is there anything those guys can't do? |
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| 02:15 | payload joined #parrot | |
| 02:29 | dukeleto | 'ello |
| 02:34 | JimmyZ joined #parrot | |
| 02:35 | nopaste | "JimmyZ" at 61.144.177.86 pasted "parrot make error on Win32 with strawberry perl again and again" (10 lines) at http://nopaste.snit.ch/19379 |
| 02:50 | JimmyZ | oh,it's my mistake |
| 02:52 | dalek | tapir: 11f686d | dukeleto++ | TODO: |
| 02:52 | tapir: Update TODO | |
| 02:52 | tapir: review: http://github.com/leto/tapir/c[…]659ef2ab8e8f47549 | |
| 02:55 | plobsing | what's the best (easiest) way to do table driven code (HoH) with core parrot tools? |
| 03:06 | cotto | What manner of hackery has entered into your mind? |
| 03:06 | You can put subs into a hash if you're in PIR. | |
| 03:07 | nm. brainfail | |
| 03:07 | plobsing | cotto: I want to convert tools/build/nativecall.pl into something executable by miniparrot |
| 03:07 | cotto: I think I've settled on using data_json | |
| 03:09 | theory | dukeleto: ping |
| 03:12 | * JimmyZ | wonders why nobody took a look at his ticket |
| 03:15 | dukeleto | theory: thong |
| 03:16 | JimmyZ: which ticket? | |
| 03:16 | JimmyZ | dukeleto: It's outdated now. |
| 03:16 | dukeleto | plobsing: data_json sounds like it could be a good fit |
| 03:17 | theory: can pgtap do what i want to do? | |
| 03:18 | JimmyZ | dukeleto: just some patches. |
| 03:19 | cconstantine | soooo, tailcall is hard to use from the PAST |
| 03:20 | theory | dukeleto: Yes |
| 03:20 | dukeleto: First, the description argument must be text | |
| 03:21 | dukeleto: Second, you must compare apples to apples. | |
| 03:21 | dukeleto: so | |
| 03:21 | elect is(test_float(), 1.0::float,'1e-6'); | |
| 03:21 | dukeleto | theory: examples please! maybe not here |
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| 03:27 | ash_ | does parrot support multi-methods? |
| 03:28 | cconstantine | ash_: yes, dispatched based on type |
| 03:28 | http://docs.parrot.org/parrot/[…]routines.pod.html | |
| 03:29 | ash_ | ah, i see the section yes, thanks |
| 03:29 | cconstantine | :) |
| 03:36 | dalek | parrot: r43613 | coke++ | trunk (3 files): |
| 03:36 | parrot: remove deprecated Parrot_call_method_ret_float (TT #1145 ) | |
| 03:36 | parrot: review: http://trac.parrot.org/parrot/changeset/43613/ | |
| 03:36 | parrot: r43614 | coke++ | trunk (3 files): | |
| 03:36 | parrot: remove deprecated Parrot_call_method_ret_int (TT #1145 ) | |
| 03:36 | parrot: review: http://trac.parrot.org/parrot/changeset/43614/ | |
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| 03:45 | dalek | plparrot: c57e0e8 | dukeleto++ | t/test.sql: |
| 03:45 | plparrot: Improve casting-fu in our tests, and add a few. Thanks for help from theory++ | |
| 03:45 | plparrot: review: http://github.com/leto/plparro[…]13f5d82e089126041 | |
| 03:51 | ash_ left #parrot | |
| 03:53 | dalek | parrot: r43615 | coke++ | trunk (5 files): |
| 03:53 | parrot: remove deprecated Parrot_call_method (TT #1145 ) | |
| 03:53 | parrot: review: http://trac.parrot.org/parrot/changeset/43615/ | |
| 03:53 | parrot: r43616 | coke++ | trunk/MANIFEST.SKIP: | |
| 03:53 | parrot: regenerate. | |
| 03:53 | parrot: review: http://trac.parrot.org/parrot/changeset/43616/ | |
| 03:53 | parrot: r43617 | coke++ | trunk (3 files): | |
| 03:53 | parrot: remove deprecated Parrot_call_sub_ret_float (TT #1145 ) | |
| 03:53 | parrot: review: http://trac.parrot.org/parrot/changeset/43617/ | |
| 04:09 | parrot: r43618 | coke++ | trunk/DEPRECATED.pod: | |
| 04:09 | parrot: remove lack of list. | |
| 04:09 | parrot: review: http://trac.parrot.org/parrot/changeset/43618/ | |
| 04:20 | ttbot | Parrot trunk/ r43620 i386-linux-thread-multi make error http://tt.ro.vutbr.cz/file/cmdout/186501.txt ( http://tt.ro.vutbr.cz//buildst[…]-Parrot/rp-trunk/ ) |
| 04:23 | Coke | cotto: the windows build was fine earlier. |
| 04:24 | Did you just rebreak it, or just remove a useless change? | |
| 04:24 | cotto | the latter |
| 04:24 | purl | i heard the latter was better |
| 04:24 | ttbot | Parrot trunk/ r43621 i386-linux-thread-multi make error http://tt.ro.vutbr.cz/file/cmdout/186532.txt ( http://tt.ro.vutbr.cz//buildst[…]-Parrot/rp-trunk/ ) |
| 04:24 | cotto | or so I thought |
| 04:25 | Coke | heh. |
| 04:25 | dalek | plparrot: d2b78ea | (David E. Wheeler)++ | Makefile: |
| 04:25 | plparrot: Configure `psql` in the `Makefile` | |
| 04:25 | plparrot: This is so that you don't have to do as much in the test scripts. But we might anyway, as it probably will make sense to switch to PGXS for this stuff. It's currently underused. | |
| 04:25 | Coke | ttbot is also a master of timing. |
| 04:25 | purl | okay, Coke. |
| 04:25 | dalek | plparrot: review: http://github.com/leto/plparro[…]9feef2f3ffdc3e3bf |
| 04:25 | parrot: r43619 | plobsing++ | trunk/compilers/data_json/Rules.mak: | |
| 04:25 | parrot: fix building data_json | |
| 04:25 | parrot: review: http://trac.parrot.org/parrot/changeset/43619/ | |
| 04:25 | parrot: r43620 | cotto++ | trunk/src/packfile.c: | |
| 04:25 | parrot: [packfile] fix some compiler warnings | |
| 04:25 | parrot: review: http://trac.parrot.org/parrot/changeset/43620/ | |
| 04:25 | parrot: r43621 | cotto++ | trunk/lib/Parrot/H2inc.pm: | |
| 04:25 | parrot: [h2inc] revert an earlier failed attempt to fix the win32 build | |
| 04:25 | parrot: review: http://trac.parrot.org/parrot/changeset/43621/ | |
| 04:26 | cotto | '20 definitely had some extra stuff in it |
| 04:27 | svn-- | |
| 04:29 | but I should know better than to keep two sets of unrelated changes in the copy I commit from | |
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| 04:42 | dalek | parrot: r43622 | cotto++ | trunk/src/packfile.c: |
| 04:42 | parrot: [packfile] back out some inadvertent changes | |
| 04:42 | parrot: review: http://trac.parrot.org/parrot/changeset/43622/ | |
| 04:42 | parrot: r43623 | coke++ | trunk/DEPRECATED.pod: | |
| 04:42 | parrot: truth in advertising. | |
| 04:42 | purl | truth in advertising is probably good |
| 04:42 | dalek | parrot: review: http://trac.parrot.org/parrot/changeset/43623/ |
| 05:17 | dukeleto | cotto: one day you will love the "git stash" command |
| 05:19 | cotto | I love it now. |
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| 05:25 | dukeleto | cotto: ah, you have seen the light |
| 05:25 | cotto | As far as I'm concerned, Parrot can't switch to git soon enough. |
| 05:26 | dukeleto | cotto++ |
| 05:26 | cotto | but there are other concerns |
| 05:26 | dukeleto | like what? |
| 05:26 | i have been working on the wiki page | |
| 05:27 | cotto | making sure most (ideally all) other active developers are ready and ensuring that the integration tools we want to use exist and are mature |
| 05:27 | dukeleto++ for the wiki work | |
| 05:30 | dukeleto | cotto: i totally agree. i am willing to be "the goto" guy for all that |
| 05:31 | i just went through it at $work, and we have a way more complicated setup than parrot will need | |
| 05:31 | trac integration is key | |
| 05:31 | nothing can happen until trac has proper git integration | |
| 05:32 | cotto | yup. From what I can tell that's the main issue that needs to be addressed. |
| 05:32 | dukeleto | our ticket system is oblivious to our version control system at work, so that wasn't an issue |
| 05:33 | cotto | sounds charming |
| 05:36 | dukeleto | our ticket system was written while the company was still on RCS, so that is a good thing |
| 05:37 | cotto | Would there be any advantage to hosting it ourselves rather than using github? |
| 05:37 | dukeleto | cotto: github would just be a mirror. we would probably want to use all the free git mirror services as well as running our own box |
| 05:38 | i just mirror parrot on github because it is a nice interface. i also put stuff on http://leto.net/gitweb/ | |
| 05:38 | when github is down, i use that | |
| 05:39 | and i have an alias called "git spread" which pushes to multiple remotes, so you don't have to think about it | |
| 05:43 | cotto | I hadn't thought about that, but that makes sense. |
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| 06:33 | dukeleto | the postgres and parrot header files do not like each other |
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| 06:37 | dukeleto | anybody have any clue how to get around this? http://gist.github.com/287597 |
| 06:37 | parrot and postgres both define some gettext functions that collide, as well as List, Buffer, Hash and PANIC | |
| 06:46 | * dukeleto | listens to some crickets |
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| 06:52 | cotto | Oh C. What a wacky language you are. |
| 06:52 | dukeleto | yeah buddy |
| 06:53 | namespaces? what the hell are those for? | |
| 06:53 | cotto | losers |
| 06:53 | that's what | |
| 06:53 | purl | That's *WRONG!* |
| 06:54 | cotto | urg |
| 06:55 | good luck | |
| 06:55 | purl | You'll need it. |
| 06:55 | cotto | and good night |
| 06:58 | dukeleto | objective C at least has some nice stuff: http://stackoverflow.com/quest[…]mespace-collision |
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| 07:02 | dukeleto | chromatic: hola! |
| 07:02 | chromatic: got any tuits you could lend me for this? http://gist.github.com/287597 | |
| 07:03 | smolder is still geb0rken | |
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| 07:09 | chromatic | Will take a look. |
| 07:15 | dukeleto | chromatic: thanks! |
| 07:15 | chromatic | ugh. |
| 07:16 | dukeleto | i am attempting to get PL/Parrot to compile |
| 07:16 | chromatic | I don't think Parrot should export Hash and List. |
| 07:16 | dukeleto | and i ran into that |
| 07:16 | yes, please and thank you! | |
| 07:16 | chromatic | That probably means we have to exclude including those headers from whatever you're including. |
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| 07:17 | dukeleto | parrot.h, config.h, embed.h and runcore_api.h is what i am including |
| 07:17 | purl | somebody said including was fine for files that just define some const. Using it as an attempt of quick load_bytecode is wrong. |
| 07:18 | dukeleto | chromatic: does that incur the dep cycle? |
| 07:18 | chromatic | Can't see how it would. |
| 07:18 | Drop parrot.h. | |
| 07:19 | dukeleto | parrot.h is required to be loaded for the others to work |
| 07:20 | i get a bazillion errors, otherwise | |
| 07:21 | chromatic: for instance, this makes the docs/embed.pod example compile: http://gist.github.com/287626 | |
| 07:21 | chromatic: should i commit that, or are you saying that including parrot.h is wrong? | |
| 07:21 | chromatic | I think including parrot.h is wrong. |
| 07:21 | What if you include config.h, embed.h, and extend.h? | |
| 07:23 | dukeleto | chromatic++ |
| 07:24 | odd, it seems that docs/embed.pod does compile. i must have been lost in a twisty maze | |
| 07:26 | chromatic | parrot.h is prime real estate though. It's tempting to use. |
| 07:29 | dukeleto | yeah, i was like "that sounds like it can solve my problems" .... THUNK |
| 07:29 | chromatic | Everything you want... and MORE. |
| 07:35 | dukeleto | Undefined symbols: "_Parrot_new", referenced from: |
| 07:36 | oops | |
| 07:42 | chromatic | Probably something we need to put in extend/embed.h |
| 07:42 | dukeleto | chromatic: what, exactly, needs to be in there? |
| 07:43 | chromatic | Whatever symbols you're missing, if you should be using them. |
| 07:43 | dukeleto | i think that error is because I am not giving the correct link flags |
| 07:44 | i am trying to figure out how to tell pg about parrot_config{ldflags} | |
| 07:46 | but maybe i am wrong | |
| 07:49 | chromatic | Sounds right to me; that sounds like a linking error. |
| 07:50 | dukeleto | i can't find where to wedge in "-L/usr/local/lib -L/opt/local/lib -L/Users/leto/svn/parrot/blib/lib" into pg's buildchain |
| 07:52 | hmmm | |
| 07:53 | i put it in the correct place, but _Parrot_new is still not defined | |
| 07:54 | chromatic | You also need -lparrot |
| 07:54 | dukeleto | chromatic++ |
| 07:55 | it compiles! ::a screaming goes across the sky:: | |
| 07:56 | we now have a postgres language which creates a parrot interpreter for each backend connection. it is a start | |
| 07:58 | chromatic | A screaming *comes* across the sky. |
| 07:58 | dukeleto | depends on where you are due to doppler shift |
| 07:58 | chromatic | I'm telling you what my book says. |
| 08:01 | dukeleto | chromatic: sounds good ;) |
| 08:02 | wagle | dukeleto: parser done |
| 08:02 | dukeleto | wagle: !!! |
| 08:03 | wagle: show me the code or it didn't happen | |
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| 08:03 | wagle | all 112 lines of it? here? |
| 08:03 | dukeleto | pastebin? |
| 08:03 | purl | rumour has it pastebin is see nopaste. or see shadowpaste |
| 08:03 | dukeleto | nopaste? |
| 08:03 | purl | i heard nopaste was at http://nopaste.snit.ch/ (ask TonyC for new channels) or http://paste.scsys.co.uk/ or App::Nopaste or tools/dev/nopaste.pl or at http://www.extpaste.com/ or http://paste.scsys.co.uk (for #catalyst, #dbix-class, #moose and others) or http://gist.github.com/ or paste or gtfo or tools/dev/nopaste.pl or https://trac.parrot.org/parrot[…]ls/dev/nopaste.pl |
| 08:04 | dukeleto | do we have enough pastebin solutions? |
| 08:04 | nopaste | "wagle" at 173.50.248.236 pasted "ta da!" (118 lines) at http://nopaste.snit.ch/19380 |
| 08:05 | wagle | hardly nice haskell code, but it parses scheme |
| 08:05 | strings to values to programs | |
| 08:06 | its more 20 year old scheme written in bad haskell, but i'll refactor it later | |
| 08:06 | dukeleto | wagle: looks nice, like a big steak |
| 08:06 | wagle | now, i just have to translate the programs to pir |
| 08:08 | dukeleto | wagle: SMOP, indeed |
| 08:08 | wagle | oh wait.. shag is this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v[…]e=player_embedded# |
| 08:09 | SMOP? | |
| 08:09 | purl | SMOP is a Simple Meta Object Programming or Simple Matter of Programming at http://www.perlfoundation.org/[…]l6/index.cgi?smop or http://people.debian.org/~ruoso/SMOP.pdf |
| 08:09 | wagle | The requested URL /~ruoso/SMOP.pdf was not found on this server. |
| 08:09 | dukeleto | sucks |
| 08:10 | purl, no SMOP is Simple Meta Object Programming or Simple Matter of Programming at http://www.perlfoundation.org/[…]l6/index.cgi?smop | |
| 08:10 | purl | OK, dukeleto. |
| 08:10 | wagle | oh, first url worked.. 8) |
| 08:10 | dukeleto | yeah, that was the intended meaning |
| 08:11 | wagle | the video visualizes the SMOP |
| 08:12 | dalek | plparrot: 7c91019 | dukeleto++ | src/handler/Makefile: |
| 08:12 | plparrot: Get the proper Parrot include directory from parrot_config | |
| 08:12 | plparrot: review: http://github.com/leto/plparro[…]455e9617f804ddc88 | |
| 08:12 | plparrot: d7fafb8 | dukeleto++ | Makefile: | |
| 08:12 | plparrot: Fix typo in 'make install' target | |
| 08:12 | plparrot: review: http://github.com/leto/plparro[…]68301f5a7f363f42b | |
| 08:12 | plparrot: 1f33383 | dukeleto++ | src/handler/ (2 files): | |
| 08:12 | plparrot: Include Parrot header files and create an interpreter object | |
| 08:12 | plparrot: This commit is a big milestone! It opens up many possibilities, such as | |
| 08:12 | plparrot: reading .pbc files, calling Parrot API functions and perhaps talking to | |
| 08:12 | plparrot: some kind of persistent Parrot. | |
| 08:12 | plparrot: review: http://github.com/leto/plparro[…]b79f420ba2c82f20b | |
| 08:13 | wagle | by the way, I wrote all that this evening.. B-) |
| 08:14 | darn, i need about 3-5 more hours, and I will crash in 1 or so | |
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| 08:16 | wagle | main thing about pir is you have to generate temporaries? |
| 08:17 | * wagle | is frantically trying to find a way to get factorial running in 1-2 hours |
| 08:18 | chromatic | You should write in Haskell. Haskell's a great language for writing simple mathematical functions like factorial or Fibonacci. |
| 08:19 | wagle | ... and compilers |
| 08:19 | ... to run factorial functions | |
| 08:19 | chromatic | I almost wrote "whoosh". |
| 08:19 | The first serious Haskell code I wrote, I found a bug in its garbage collector. | |
| 08:20 | wagle | ewww |
| 08:20 | when was that? | |
| 08:20 | which haskell? | |
| 08:21 | what was cool here was the parser just worked once I got it to compile | |
| 08:21 | chromatic | GHC 6.8? 6.4? It was in 2005 or 2006. |
| 08:21 | 2005, I think. | |
| 08:21 | wagle | recent enough to shake head and wonder |
| 08:22 | dukeleto | you get what you pay for |
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| 08:22 | dukeleto | japhb: jolly good localtime() |
| 08:23 | japhb | o/ |
| 08:25 | dukeleto | PL/Parrot compiles on OpenBSD, ubuntu and OS X. pretty cool |
| 08:25 | japhb | indeed, that's excellent news |
| 08:29 | dalek | plparrot: 35d5c12 | dukeleto++ | PLATFORMS: |
| 08:29 | plparrot: Update platforms with my data point | |
| 08:29 | plparrot: review: http://github.com/leto/plparro[…]72e0d3973bd18e5e9 | |
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| 09:52 | wagle | can you set a pmc to 10? |
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| 09:54 | wagle | hmm |
| 09:54 | diediedie! | |
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| 09:56 | wagle | nudge |
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| 10:06 | dalek | parrot: r43624 | mikehh++ | trunk/MANIFEST.SKIP: |
| 10:06 | parrot: Regenerate MANIFEST.SKIP | |
| 10:06 | parrot: review: http://trac.parrot.org/parrot/changeset/43624/ | |
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| 10:24 | mikehh | All tests PASS (pre/post-config, make corevm/make coretest, smoke (#31937), fulltest) at r43624 - Ubuntu 9.10 i386 (gcc with --optimize) |
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| 10:59 | mikehh | All tests PASS (pre/post-config, make corevm/make coretest, smoke (#31938), fulltest) at r43624 - Ubuntu 9.10 i386 (g++ with --optimize) |
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| 11:13 | mikehh | All tests PASS (pre/post-config, smoke (#31939), fulltest) at r43624 - Ubuntu 9.10 i386 (gcc) |
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| 11:35 | mikehh | All tests PASS (pre/post-config, smoke (#31941), fulltest) at r43624 - Ubuntu 9.10 i386 (g++) |
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| 12:08 | bacek | fperrad++ # Reporting bug "fixed" in r43625 |
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| 12:09 | Infinoid | hmm |
| 12:09 | bacek | Infinoid? |
| 12:09 | purl | Infinoid is Mark Glines <mailto:mark glines.org> or likes shiny things or the master of the universe |
| 12:09 | Infinoid | bacek! |
| 12:09 | bacek | Infinoid!!! |
| 12:09 | purl | it has been said that infinoid is Mark Glines <mailto:markglines.org> or likes shiny things or the master of the universe |
| 12:09 | Infinoid | hai :) |
| 12:09 | bacek | bacek? |
| 12:09 | purl | you are THE MANIAC or some sort of magical coding robot |
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| 12:09 | bacek | heh |
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| 12:10 | Piper | Hi there. I am Piper. I am now publicly logging this channel. If you don't want to be logged, please leave now. |
| 12:10 | moritz | Hi there. I am Moritz. I'll ban Piper if he continues to unnerv us |
| 12:11 | bacek | moritz, do it. Do it NOW |
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| 12:12 | Infinoid | moritz++ |
| 12:13 | I suspect it's filled up its disk | |
| 12:15 | bacek | I think piper is even less useful than purl. |
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| 12:16 | dalek | parrot: r43625 | bacek++ | trunk/src/pmc/orderedhash.pmc: |
| 12:16 | parrot: Fix OrderedHash to unbreak Lua. | |
| 12:16 | parrot: review: http://trac.parrot.org/parrot/changeset/43625/ | |
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| 12:31 | dalek | TT #1417 closed by bacek++: src/pmc/orderedhash.pmc errors |
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| 12:37 | mikehh | bacek: ping |
| 12:38 | bacek | mikehh, pong |
| 12:39 | mikehh | bacek: I set up two branches 1 to remove deprecated VTABLEs amd 2 to move core to dynpmcs as requested by chromatic |
| 12:39 | feel free to work in them | |
| 12:40 | I still need to figure what is required | |
| 12:41 | bacek | mikehh, I don't think that we need branch for removing deprecated VTABLEs. It can be done in trunk. |
| 12:41 | btw, can you kill orderedhash_revamp branch? It was merged into trunk. | |
| 12:41 | mikehh | bacek: sure |
| 12:42 | bacek | karma jimmy |
| 12:42 | purl | jimmy has karma of 98 |
| 12:42 | bacek | karma jimmyz |
| 12:42 | purl | jimmyz has karma of 14 |
| 12:43 | bacek | jimmy++ than |
| 12:44 | mikehh | I am not sure about bitwise VTABLE functions which should be replaced with dynpmcs before removing |
| 12:44 | but will work on that in the move_core_to_dynpmcs branch or shopuld I create another | |
| 12:47 | dalek | TT #1396 closed by bacek++: [patch]changed two PMCs to use GET_ATTR syntax |
| 12:48 | bacek | mikehh, erm... How we can replace VTABLE with dynpmcs? |
| 12:48 | and do we have list of deprecated VTABLEs? | |
| 12:48 | dalek | parrot: r43626 | bacek++ | trunk/src/pmc (2 files): |
| 12:48 | parrot: Apply patch to migrate Coroutine and Continuation to use | |
| 12:48 | parrot: GET_ATTR/SET_ATTR from TT#1396 | |
| 12:48 | parrot: review: http://trac.parrot.org/parrot/changeset/43626/ | |
| 12:52 | mikehh | bacek: from DEPRECATED.pod - |
| 12:52 | All bitwise VTABLE functions [eligible in 2.1] | |
| 12:52 | All bitwise VTABLE functions (all VTABLE functions containing C<bitwise> in | |
| 12:52 | their names) will be removed. Equivalent functionality will by supplied by | |
| 12:53 | bitwise dynops. | |
| 12:53 | bacek | yay. dinops, not dynpmc |
| 12:53 | mikehh | so should we have a branch for that? |
| 12:54 | bacek | in this case - yes. |
| 12:54 | there are 40 such functions | |
| 12:56 | holy... It's almost tomorrow again... | |
| 12:56 | mikehh | timezone pressure: I am on UTC/GMT |
| 12:57 | bacek | clock? |
| 12:57 | purl | bacek: LAX: Wed 4:57am PST / CHI: Wed 6:57am CST / NYC: Wed 7:57am EST / LON: Wed 12:57pm GMT / BER: Wed 1:57pm CET / IND: Wed 6:27pm IST / TOK: Wed 9:57pm JST / SYD: Wed 11:57pm EST / |
| 12:59 | * mikehh | on LON time although I am in Aberdeen in Scotland |
| 13:05 | mikehh | fulltest - testr FAIL - t/pmc/eval.t - Failed test: 12 - see TT #1142 |
| 13:05 | all othertests PASS (pre/post-config, make corevm/make coretest, smoke (#31947), fulltest) at r43625 - Ubuntu 9.10 amd64 (gcc with --optimize) | |
| 13:06 | the test fails with gcc builds but not g++ builds - I commented on TT #1142 | |
| 13:07 | and it passes on i386 - only fails on amd64 - for me | |
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| 13:21 | dalek | parrot: r43627 | mikehh++ | trunk/src/pmc/coroutine.pmc: |
| 13:21 | parrot: fix codetest failure - trailing whitespace | |
| 13:21 | parrot: review: http://trac.parrot.org/parrot/changeset/43627/ | |
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| 13:28 | whiteknight | good morning #parrot |
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| 13:31 | Austin | Good Morning, Whiteknight |
| 13:31 | How's Xander today? | |
| 13:32 | whiteknight | probably tired, since he didn't sleep at all last night |
| 13:32 | Austin | LOL |
| 13:32 | And you know this, which kind of suggests that you got as much sleep as he did? | |
| 13:32 | whiteknight | which is also how I know he must be tired |
| 13:32 | purl | okay, whiteknight. |
| 13:33 | Austin | It's never to early too early to start slipping him a little whiskey just before bedtime... |
| 13:37 | Today's word of the day: artiodactyl | |
| 13:37 | An artiodactyl has an even number of toes on each foot. I am not an artiodactyl. | |
| 13:38 | I am a perissodactyl. | |
| 13:44 | whiteknight | I've learned something new today (Re: artiodactyl) |
| 13:44 | Austin: I'm looking for some good examples of Kakapo in use. You have any? | |
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| 13:47 | mikehh | All tests PASS (pre/post-config, make corevm/make coretest, smoke (#31951), fulltest) at r43627 - Ubuntu 9.10 amd64 (g++ with --optimize) |
| 13:49 | cconstantine | would people be upset if I attempted to add optional automatic tailcall optimization to pct? |
| 13:50 | moritz | cconstantine: don't think so, we're fairly liberal |
| 13:50 | cconstantine: just test that the major HLLs (rakudo, cardinal) don't break | |
| 13:50 | cconstantine | cool. No idea if I can do it, and I would expect it to go through review and all that |
| 13:51 | I'm picturing it as a 'must turn on' feature, so it shouldn't affect those HLLs (still worth testing) | |
| 13:51 | mikehh | we learn from attempts - even if they fail, but hopefully not (failing I mean) |
| 13:51 | moritz | cconstantine: pmichaud would be a good person to talk to, he wrote much (nearlly all?) of PCT |
| 13:51 | cconstantine | ok |
| 13:51 | moritz | cconstantine: right, PCT has stages - you could just implement another stage |
| 13:51 | cconstantine | mikehh: agreed |
| 13:51 | moritz | and the opt-in would be to enable that stage |
| 13:51 | cconstantine | exactly |
| 13:51 | moritz | go for it! |
| 13:52 | cconstantine | w000! |
| 13:52 | ok, well not now | |
| 13:52 | I'm kinda sorta at work | |
| 13:53 | Coke | wow, I got dropped from the list of major HLLs. =-) |
| 13:53 | * Coke | *sighs*. |
| 13:53 | cconstantine | who's you? |
| 13:53 | dalek | parrot: r43628 | mikehh++ | branches/orderedhash_revamp: |
| 13:53 | parrot: branch has been merged into trunk | |
| 13:53 | parrot: review: http://trac.parrot.org/parrot/changeset/43628/ | |
| 13:55 | moritz | Coke: major HLLs *using PCT* |
| 13:55 | mikehh | Coke: who would do a thing like that? |
| 13:55 | moritz | Coke: last I remembered partcl didn't use PCT - but I might be wrong, of course |
| 13:56 | whiteknight | cconstantine: I am interested in writing some optimizations for PCT as well |
| 13:56 | cconstantine | whiteknight: cool |
| 13:57 | whiteknight | There should be a way to hot-plug optimization steps in explicitly if needed |
| 13:57 | cconstantine | optimizations are tricksy |
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| 14:05 | whiteknight | I'm inspired by LLVM's JIT, which allows you to add optimization steps in before compilation |
| 14:05 | what I would like to see in PCT is a PAST::add_optimization() method where we could add in optimization objects | |
| 14:06 | those objects either act on the PAST tree itself or on the generated PIR code | |
| 14:06 | so for something like a tailcall optimization, we would modify the generated code of a function-call PAST node, if it's the last node in the parent's children array | |
| 14:07 | moritz | and then be sure that it doesn't break any scoping related things |
| 14:08 | whiteknight | moritz: any optimization we make is likely to break some languages. Optimization steps for PCT will have to always be opt-in |
| 14:08 | moritz | (I'm not sure how tightly related lexicals and subs are in parrot) |
| 14:08 | whiteknight | moritz: pretty tightly |
| 14:08 | moritz | then there's a chance that it doesn't break |
| 14:08 | whiteknight | but some HLLs, like Matrixy, don't need lexical variable scoping like we have in Parrot |
| 14:09 | so I want to be able to optimize those all away | |
| 14:21 | Coke | moritz: if I'm using nqp-rx, I'm using pct, neh? |
| 14:21 | (or no?) | |
| 14:21 | moritz | Coke: the question that's relevant for what we've discussed is: do you use the PAST/POST compilers of PCT? |
| 14:24 | Coke | moritz: I have no idea! =-) |
| 14:25 | I'm using past and post libraries. but I think that's hidden under nqp-rx. | |
| 14:25 | * Coke | tries to install padre and ends up killing his machine and running it out of memory. |
| 14:25 | moritz | Coke: do you have lots of calls to PAST::Op.new() or so? |
| 14:26 | Coke | some. |
| 14:26 | moritz | then you're using it |
| 14:26 | and I was wrong not to count partcl among the major HLLs | |
| 14:26 | sorry for that | |
| 14:26 | Coke | http://github.com/partcl/partc[…]cl/Actions.pm#L14 |
| 14:27 | moritz: I'm not hurt, just posturing. =-) | |
| 14:27 | and I didn't realize the PCT component of your discussion, either. | |
| 14:27 | no worries. | |
| 14:27 | purl | i guess no worries. is my smoke harness code public? |
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| 14:46 | Austin | Whiteknight: You mean like "Project foo uses Kakapo" (in which case: no, I don't have any) or do you mean like: 7 if %hash.contains('foo') { say("Hash contains foo"); } 0 |
| 14:52 | whiteknight | Austin: either. I just want to learn how to use it and maybe use it in some of my projects |
| 14:55 | Austin | whiteknight: Sounds good. I'm paying my 2.0 tax this week, but I should have something usable in a few days. |
| 15:01 | whiteknight | Coke: ping |
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| 15:32 | dalek | parrot: r43629 | fperrad++ | trunk/tools/dev/fetch_languages.pl: |
| 15:32 | parrot: [languages] fix typo | |
| 15:32 | parrot: review: http://trac.parrot.org/parrot/changeset/43629/ | |
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| 15:56 | Coke | whiteknight: pong |
| 15:57 | whiteknight | Coke: you're a board member, do you know if Parrot is going to apply to GSoC this year? |
| 15:58 | Coke | I can tell you it hasn't come up yet. |
| 15:58 | I can also give you my guess of "yes". | |
| 15:58 | (and we might try to talk to TPF about doing umbrella again, or not.) | |
| 15:59 | whiteknight | that's what I was hoping. I don't want to advertise it too much on my blog or elsewhere if it's not going to happen |
| 15:59 | Coke | I think we'd be crazy not to. |
| 15:59 | it's free publicity, free tuits... | |
| 15:59 | Austin | Coke: I emailed my pafo cla pdf to legalparrot (twice) but haven't heard anything back. Is anyone checking that address? |
| 15:59 | Coke | and since you're going to mentor the guy... |
| 15:59 | Austin: checking the logs.. | |
| 15:59 | austin? | |
| 15:59 | purl | austin is nice. or a city in Texas. |
| 16:00 | Coke | austin hastings? |
| 16:00 | Austin | Yep |
| 16:00 | @yahoo | |
| 16:00 | Coke | austin is also Mr. Hastings, if you're nasty. |
| 16:00 | purl | okay, Coke. |
| 16:00 | Austin | Tres disco, sir. |
| 16:00 | Coke | I see a signed copy from 12/5 |
| 16:01 | do you have a reference to a parrotsketch meeting where your name came up? | |
| 16:01 | Austin | Woo-hoo. progress. |
| 16:01 | I'll say no. | |
| 16:01 | whiteknight | it will come up next meeting |
| 16:01 | (if it hasn't already) | |
| 16:01 | Coke | can probably do a google search through irclogs. |
| 16:01 | if you can point me to a vote, I can turn your account on today. | |
| 16:03 | Austin | Nope. |
| 16:03 | Only thing google finds is from 07/06 | |
| 16:03 | Coke | http://irclog.perlgeek.de/parrotsketch/2009-07-06 ? |
| 16:03 | Austin | google site:irclog.perlgeek.de parrotsketch "Austin Hastings" |
| 16:03 | Coke | (there's nothing there.) |
| 16:04 | http://www.google.com/search?h[…]q=f&aql=&aqi=&oq= is probably better. | |
| 16:04 | ok. so, path of least resistance is to get it mentioned next tuesday. | |
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| 16:05 | Austin | Works for me. Thanks. I was just hearing crickets on the email thing... |
| 16:06 | Coke | Yeah, we don't typically resond to those for whatever reason. |
| 16:09 | dalek | winxed: r373 | julian.notfound++ | trunk/ (3 files): |
| 16:09 | winxed: reimplement chomp as predefs with fix args, getting rid of the old predefs way | |
| 16:09 | winxed: in stage 0 | |
| 16:09 | winxed: review: http://code.google.com/p/winxe[…]urce/detail?r=373 | |
| 16:09 | winxed: r374 | julian.notfound++ | trunk/Makefile: | |
| 16:09 | winxed: forgot to update Makefile | |
| 16:09 | winxed: review: http://code.google.com/p/winxe[…]urce/detail?r=374 | |
| 16:10 | * Austin | is waiting for his freaking enormous TV to arrive. |
| 16:11 | NotFound | Austin: How big? |
| 16:11 | Austin | 60 inch |
| 16:11 | NotFound | :o |
| 16:11 | Austin | 152 cm. |
| 16:11 | Bwahahaha | |
| 16:12 | * pmichaud | wonders if his 42 inch set is inadequate. |
| 16:13 | Austin | And for only $900 more I can get a robotic wall mount... yeesh. |
| 16:17 | Coke | bar is now at 38 or so, after the young one wiimoted the 42". |
| 16:18 | s/bar/ours/ | |
| 16:18 | Austin | That's me, soon. |
| 16:18 | Coke | we have a mount slash entertainment stand that allows a non-robotic left-right swivel. cheap but very effective. |
| 16:18 | Austin | I got a Wii for my 70+ y/o aunt & uncle for Xmas, and enjoyed myself so much that I bought one for my house. |
| 16:18 | wagle | what pattern should i use for a pir function that takes one argument of any type, but then wants to do a > (greater than) on it with a int constant? |
| 16:19 | Austin | wagle: PMC ? |
| 16:19 | purl | well, PMC is responsible for deciding whether to extend itself or not. or a parrot thing, kind of like "magical holds-one-of-anything variable"? or parrot magic cookie or Parrot Magic Cookie or pARROT mAGIC cOOKIE or Poly Morphic Cracker (for the Parrot) or a big problem for optimizations or a compiled pm |
| 16:20 | wagle | can make the arg a pmc, but then it wont work in * expressions, but will in + |
| 16:20 | Austin | You said takes one arg. I think that the arg coercer will promote an int into an Integer PMC, but not vice versa. |
| 16:21 | So if you want to take both int and pmc args, I think you need a pmc param. | |
| 16:21 | Coke | you can declare your arg as int and it'll just coerce it on the way in. |
| 16:21 | * wagle | started a scheme compiler last night. front end is "done", now building the backend |
| 16:21 | Austin | Will it? |
| 16:21 | purl | rumour has it Will it is it being written to use djb's string functions and such |
| 16:21 | Coke | yes. if you declare a .sub with a ".param int foo" and pass it a PMC, it will do the equivalent of $I0 = $P0 on the pmc arg. |
| 16:22 | (assuming it's not a multi or if it is that turns out to be the best match.) | |
| 16:22 | Austin | So there you have it. |
| 16:22 | wagle | i seem to have to know to coerce it to int before doing > and * (ie, the factorial function as helloworld) |
| 16:22 | Austin | ? |
| 16:22 | Coke | is your '>' a function? |
| 16:22 | Austin | Declare it as int (like coke said above) |
| 16:22 | Coke | that is, a .sub ? |
| 16:23 | or are you relying on PIR's > operator? | |
| 16:23 | if you're using the operator (or opcode) variant, yes, you'll need to coerce it first if that's the comparison you really want. | |
| 16:23 | Austin | .sub "factorial" .param int n if n > 1 goto recurse return 1 recurse: ... |
| 16:23 | wagle | scheme functions take anything.. this is supposed to be dynamic, but i need a type inferer? |
| 16:23 | i | |
| 16:24 | Coke | let's back up. |
| 16:24 | why isn't just using the PMC working for you? | |
| 16:24 | wagle | the function shouldnt force it to int until it does a int operation |
| 16:24 | cant do > and * to PMCs | |
| 16:25 | another problem is int vs float | |
| 16:26 | but thats not importaqnt yet | |
| 16:26 | Coke | ok. int vs. float, then yes, you can coerce them manually to do the appropriate check, sure. (though $I0 vs $N2) should still compare/multiple correctly. |
| 16:27 | building parrot to try to disprove one of your statements... | |
| 16:27 | Austin | pmichaud: I have a problem in nqp with subclassing. I declare Foo::Parent and then Foo::Child is Foo::Parent, but when I inspect all parents of Child's parrotclass, I don't see Parent. What entity will have the correct lineage? |
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| 16:28 | wagle | i get to send factorial a float, and it should work.. should work with int too |
| 16:28 | nopaste | "coke" at 193.200.132.135 pasted "this works for me" (20 lines) at http://nopaste.snit.ch/19382 |
| 16:28 | Coke | that shows * and > working with a PMC in PIR. |
| 16:28 | (and those are really just opcodes under the covers.) | |
| 16:28 | wagle | error:imcc:The opcode 'sub_i_p_ic' (sub<3>) was not found. Check the type and number of the arguments |
| 16:29 | Coke | your target has to be a PMC. |
| 16:29 | not an int. | |
| 16:29 | IIRC. | |
| 16:29 | wagle | ok, lemme give it another whirl in pedantic mode |
| 16:29 | Coke | basically: show me the code that doesn't work. =-) |
| 16:31 | I assume your error is from your code, not my nopaste. | |
| 16:31 | mikehh | fulltest - testr FAIL - t/pmc/eval.t - Failed test: 12 - see TT #1142 |
| 16:31 | all other tests PASS (pre/post-config, make corevm/make coretest, smoke (#31953), fulltest) at r43629 - Ubuntu 9.10 amd64 (gcc) | |
| 16:32 | wagle | hmm.. i must have been sloppy abiout switching between $In and $Pn.. works now |
| 16:32 | ... or else someone snuck onto my machine and installed a working parrot | |
| 16:32 | 8) | |
| 16:33 | Austin | It's one o'clock and time for lunch. Dum de dum de dum. |
| 16:33 | pmichaud | Austin: old nqp, or new one? |
| 16:34 | Austin | parrot-nqp from2.0 |
| 16:35 | wagle | ok, it all works now.. thanks for working me through my confusion |
| 16:35 | Coke | np. |
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| 16:36 | Austin | pmichaud: parrot-nqp --version says: This compiler is built with the Parrot Compiler Toolkit, parrot revision 0. |
| 16:36 | wagle | are there args for parameters, or you just HAVE to use :slurpy if you just cant stand to name your args? |
| 16:36 | are there REGISTERS for parameters, or you just HAVE to use :slurpy if you just cant stand to name your args? | |
| 16:37 | Austin | wagle: slurpy |
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| 16:37 | * wagle | is trying to avoid name collisions |
| 16:37 | wagle | okeh, thanks |
| 16:38 | Austin | wagle: The registers don't get names unless you assign them (.local pmc n) or mention a register explicitly ($I0 = ...) |
| 16:38 | pmichaud | Austin: how are you getting Child's parrotclass? |
| 16:38 | Austin | But the register names - even $I0 - are locally scoped. Don't worry about colliding the names. |
| 16:38 | Coke | s/locally/sub/ |
| 16:39 | (as opposed to file, which is really the only other option for pir) | |
| 16:39 | nopaste | "Austin" at 68.37.46.53 pasted "P6object class dumper" (47 lines) at http://nopaste.snit.ch/19384 |
| 16:39 | wagle | i can handle numbering them uniquely.. |
| 16:39 | Austin | pmichaud: (see nopaste) I'm doing the get-meta . get-parrotclass thing |
| 16:40 | Coke | wagle: there are tools for managing that sort of thing already. |
| 16:40 | Austin | wagle: You just have to uniquify them within the sub. |
| 16:40 | Coke | (i would just hate to see you reinvent past/post/pct/CodeString) |
| 16:40 | wagle | for this version, i want to do it myself.. eventually i write the thing in itself |
| 16:41 | this toy compiles scheme to pir | |
| 16:42 | Coke what do those do? | |
| 16:42 | pmichaud | Austin: how is get_meta defined? |
| 16:43 | Austin | new P6metaclass |
| 16:43 | pmichaud | okay. one can just use P6metaclass directly, too. |
| 16:44 | Austin | Meaning P6metaclass.get_parrotclass? |
| 16:44 | pmichaud | yes |
| 16:44 | Austin | I'm never quite sure which methods are on the protoobject.... |
| 16:44 | pmichaud | the protoobject has all of the same methods as an instance |
| 16:44 | Austin | Hmm. |
| 16:44 | pmichaud | (because the protoobject is itself an instance) |
| 16:44 | Austin | Cool. |
| 16:45 | Is that still true in -rx? | |
| 16:45 | With our / my methods? | |
| 16:45 | pmichaud | yes |
| 16:45 | does -rx support our / my methods? I'm not sure it does. | |
| 16:45 | I think -rx just supports plain methods, no decoration | |
| 16:45 | Austin | You keep threatening to make all the non-our methods invisible. |
| 16:46 | pmichaud | but yes, it'd be true for our / my methods as well |
| 16:46 | (because the protoobject is itself an instance of the class) | |
| 16:47 | Austin | But anyway, parents. |
| 16:48 | pmichaud | nopaste coming |
| 16:48 | Coke | wagle: there's already a compiler infrastructure built on top of PIR. |
| 16:48 | You may be re-inventing the wheel in some areas. | |
| 16:49 | (this may be fine for you.) | |
| 16:49 | nopaste | "pmichaud" at 66.25.4.52 pasted "class Foo::Child is Foo::Parent (for Austin++)" (70 lines) at http://nopaste.snit.ch/19385 |
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| 16:50 | pmichaud | looks to me like it's finding Foo;Parent just fine |
| 16:50 | (I had to change the dump code slightly because I don't have a .join or .keys method defined) | |
| 16:52 | Austin | Sure. |
| 16:54 | wagle | Coke: i wont waste more than a day or three before trying those.. right now i'm sketching my old scheme compiler from 20 years ago |
| 16:55 | nopaste | "Austin" at 68.37.46.53 pasted "My version of Foo::Child" (46 lines) at http://nopaste.snit.ch/19386 |
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| 16:56 | Austin | I commented out the no-dump-self guard, and the parents list for child just includes child and p6object. |
| 16:58 | mikehh | All tests PASS (pre/post-config, make corevm/make coretest, smoke (#31954), fulltest) at r43629 - Ubuntu 9.10 amd64 (g++) |
| 16:58 | Austin | And yet the generated pir shows both classes created together, etc. |
| 16:58 | nopaste | "Austin" at 68.37.46.53 pasted "Creating the classes" (10 lines) at http://nopaste.snit.ch/19387 |
| 17:03 | "pmichaud" at 66.25.4.52 pasted "Foo::Child still works here..." (81 lines) at http://nopaste.snit.ch/19388 | |
| 17:03 | pmichaud | not entirely sure what's different or causing the difference |
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| 17:06 | Austin | Nor me. The things that occur to me are (1) I may have replaced a method in P6object; and (2) my runtime configuration is using loading, so not everything is "all together." I don't think that should matter, but ... |
| 17:08 | Thanks for the eyeballs. It's good to know it works for someone. :) | |
| 17:08 | pmichaud++ | |
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| 17:32 | dukeleto | 'ello |
| 17:33 | Coke: yes, i have told wagle about our compiler infrastructure, but he wants to do it the way he is going about it, at least as a first iteration | |
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| 17:38 | wagle | i need to directly express the stuff in my head before shoehorning it into the parrot mold.. (which will reshape the stuff in my head) |
| 17:38 | but i'm planning to retarget to various other vm's | |
| 17:38 | so.. | |
| 17:38 | also planning | |
| 17:39 | dalek | plparrot: 27eb4ef | darbelo++ | PLATFORMS: |
| 17:39 | plparrot: [PLATFORMS] Reformat the arch on the first report for consistency. | |
| 17:39 | plparrot: review: http://github.com/leto/plparro[…]e455f5d5d2a72cad6 | |
| 17:46 | wagle | where do you go for the gory details on newclosure opcode? webpage just (mostly) says it exists |
| 17:47 | pmichaud | pdd20, probably |
| 17:50 | wagle | pmichaud: thanks.. now i know about pdd |
| 17:55 | plobsing | is there a reason there isn't a form of sprintf in PIR that accepts a key? |
| 17:55 | it seems to me that it would make it easier to use | |
| 17:55 | whiteknight | plobsing: example? |
| 17:55 | plobsing | $S0 = sprintf "Ignored signature '%s' on line %d (previously seen on line %d)", [full_sig; lineno; $I0] |
| 17:56 | whiteknight | ah, that does seem useful |
| 17:57 | Coke | hurm. you could try just using a pmc %FOO there. |
| 17:57 | (whatever the %% is for pmcs) | |
| 17:58 | plobsing | but I don't need that pmc elsewhere. keys are basically a convenient shorthand for creating PMCs used in only one op |
| 17:58 | Coke | I'm not saying create a PMC. |
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| 17:59 | Coke | oh, I see what you're doing there. |
| 18:00 | plobsing | what is involved in adding a form of an op? |
| 18:00 | whiteknight | plobsing: black magic |
| 18:00 | plobsing: check out src/ops/string.ops for current examples | |
| 18:01 | plobsing | yeah. I can understand those. Its code elsewhere I'm woried about. |
| 18:01 | whiteknight | I think the op also needs to be added to ops.num, unles it's experimental |
| 18:01 | i don't think there is code anywhere else | |
| 18:01 | plobsing | there's always action at a distance in my experience |
| 18:01 | maybe I'll get lucky | |
| 18:02 | chromatic | That's all I remember doing. |
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| 18:02 | Coke | if you're adding an op, pretty much always put it into experimental.ops to start with. |
| 18:02 | (then ops.num and warnings about deprecating go away.) | |
| 18:24 | dalek | plparrot: ea8a5a8 | (David Fetter)++ | PLATFORMS: |
| 18:24 | plparrot: Added self. | |
| 18:24 | plparrot: review: http://github.com/leto/plparro[…]1cf9133c972d7ec1f | |
| 18:24 | plparrot: cb46c11 | (David Fetter)++ | PLATFORMS: | |
| 18:24 | plparrot: Merge branch 'master' of github.com:leto/plparrot | |
| 18:24 | plparrot: review: http://github.com/leto/plparro[…]f05e3d3743e643716 | |
| 18:32 | Coke | (sprintf opcode) you could do this trivially with a helper .sub |
| 18:43 | nopaste | "darbelo" at 190.192.220.13 pasted "parrot_config --dump" (294 lines) at http://nopaste.snit.ch/19390 |
| 18:57 | dalek | plparrot: d023182 | darbelo++ | src/handler/Makefile: |
| 18:57 | plparrot: Replace hrdcoded '-lparrot' with the more versatile and cross-platform $(PARROTLINKFLAGS). | |
| 18:57 | plparrot: review: http://github.com/leto/plparro[…]a316a46fc7b64bcbc | |
| 18:57 | plparrot: 6fb26c8 | darbelo++ | PLATFORMS: | |
| 18:57 | plparrot: Merge branch 'master' of github.com:leto/plparrot | |
| 18:57 | plparrot: review: http://github.com/leto/plparro[…]d3a0a851a096ab051 | |
| 19:02 | parrot: r43630 | fperrad++ | trunk/runtime/parrot/library/distutils.pir: | |
| 19:02 | parrot: [distutils] improve newer() when the size of target file is zero | |
| 19:02 | parrot: review: http://trac.parrot.org/parrot/changeset/43630/ | |
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| 19:03 | dalek | plparrot: 7147e42 | (David Fetter)++ | t/test.sql: |
| 19:03 | plparrot: test.sql now doesn't depend on whether you've | |
| 19:03 | plparrot: * Added a 'plparrot' row to pg_catalog.pg_pltemplate, or | |
| 19:03 | plparrot: * Created the PL/Parrot language. | |
| 19:03 | plparrot: review: http://github.com/leto/plparro[…]2c04e8742ed1b05e0 | |
| 19:03 | plparrot: 6c1667d | (David Fetter)++ | src/handler/Makefile: | |
| 19:03 | plparrot: Merge branch 'master' of github.com:leto/plparrot | |
| 19:03 | plparrot: review: http://github.com/leto/plparro[…]a782e0aef735e9b2e | |
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| 19:15 | dalek | matrixy: d1c2bcb | Whiteknight++ | README.pod: |
| 19:15 | matrixy: update README to use the new setup.pir from fperrad++ | |
| 19:15 | matrixy: review: http://github.com/Whiteknight/[…]81a33fd34f79144e6 | |
| 19:15 | matrixy: ef9b28f | Whiteknight++ | src/parser/grammar-plan.txt: | |
| 19:15 | matrixy: added a quick text file with my ideas about how to re-do function calls and statements to be more consisten and support nargou and nargin | |
| 19:15 | matrixy: review: http://github.com/Whiteknight/[…]72b9d5d0eb133f28d | |
| 19:15 | matrixy: 8a7ba13 | Whiteknight++ | (11 files): | |
| 19:15 | matrixy: Merge branch 'master' of gitgithub.com:Whiteknight/matrixy |
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| 19:15 | matrixy: review: http://github.com/Whiteknight/[…]36566b15bad9f40b2 | |
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| 20:00 | TimToady | phone |
| 20:00 | dukeleto | home? |
| 20:00 | purl | Home is where your feet are standing. or the History of Middle-Earth. A 12-volume examination of how LOTR and the associated stories evolved. |
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| 20:45 | bacek | Morning. Good morning |
| 20:53 | Coke | (call) sorry I missed it. :| |
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| 21:03 | cotto_work | a talk by allison: http://www.infoq.com/presentat[…]CA4A6454D0095E342 |
| 21:04 | Coke | that sounds familiar. |
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| 21:06 | bacek | http://isperldead.com/ |
| 21:06 | One of the best site ever :) | |
| 21:06 | darbelo | bacek++ |
| 21:09 | cotto_work | I was wondering about that. Now I know. |
| 21:21 | interesting approach to generating better syntax error messages: http://research.swtch.com/2010[…]yntax-errors.html | |
| 21:39 | Coke | anyone have any thoughts on using npq-rx to build a grammar that didn't actually do anything other than reformat code? |
| 21:40 | cotto_work | Go for it! Were you thinking of something for internal Parrot use or what? |
| 21:40 | Coke | pondering doing this for cold fusion - biggest issue is that it's really CF, CFscript, javascript, CSS, SQL, and 4 kinds of HTML. |
| 21:40 | cotto_work | insta-replied |
| 21:40 | eww | |
| 21:41 | Coke | hey, CF pays the bills. :| |
| 21:41 | could be worse, I could work for microsoft! *ZING!* | |
| 21:41 | cotto_work | It sounds like there's a good reason you're getting paid to touch that code. |
| 21:41 | Coke | which is the ew part? |
| 21:41 | just "CF", or the combination of code types? | |
| 21:42 | cotto_work | so many kinds of code all mashed together |
| 21:42 | Coke | welcome to the web. |
| 21:42 | chromatic | Pretty printing is a well-loved technique. |
| 21:42 | cotto_work | yeah. It sounds like typical web 2.o-flavored html except with more languages. |
| 21:44 | Coke | I'd also like it to be easily invokable from cfeclipse, so writing it in parrot is probably not the best choice from that standpoint. |
| 21:44 | but, we'll see. Can also add in code validation if I'm smart enough. | |
| 21:49 | dalek | winxed: r375 | julian.notfound++ | trunk/token.cpp: |
| 21:49 | winxed: escaped double quotes in stage 0 | |
| 21:49 | winxed: review: http://code.google.com/p/winxe[…]urce/detail?r=375 | |
| 21:49 | winxed: r376 | julian.notfound++ | trunk/winxedst0.cpp: | |
| 21:49 | winxed: predefs two args compreg and load_bytecode in stage 0 | |
| 21:49 | winxed: review: http://code.google.com/p/winxe[…]urce/detail?r=376 | |
| 21:54 | pynie: r93 | allisonrandal++ | trunk/runtests.py: | |
| 21:54 | pynie: Allow test to run on Windows, thanks to Fran�ois Perrad for the patch. | |
| 21:54 | pynie: review: http://code.google.com/p/pynie/source/detail?r=93 | |
| 21:57 | Coke | pinged the cfeclipse list to see if anyone is interested. |
| 21:57 | (driven by a pointer a commercial tool that isn't entirely CF aware.) | |
| 21:58 | dalek | pynie: r94 | allisonrandal++ | trunk/setup.pir: |
| 21:58 | pynie: Setting properties on setup.pir, thanks to Fran�ois Perrad for the | |
| 21:59 | pynie: patch. | |
| 21:59 | pynie: review: http://code.google.com/p/pynie/source/detail?r=94 | |
| 21:59 | pynie: r95 | allisonrandal++ | trunk/setup.py: | |
| 21:59 | pynie: Fix up version check so it works with Parrot 2.0. Thanks to Fran�ois | |
| 21:59 | pynie: Perrad for the patch. | |
| 21:59 | pynie: review: http://code.google.com/p/pynie/source/detail?r=95 | |
| 21:59 | winxed: r377 | julian.notfound++ | trunk/winxedst1.winxed: | |
| 21:59 | winxed: escaped double quotes, predef two args compreg and compreg the compiler as | |
| 21:59 | winxed: WINXED in stage 1 | |
| 21:59 | winxed: review: http://code.google.com/p/winxe[…]urce/detail?r=377 | |
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| 22:11 | GeJ | Good morning everyone |
| 22:12 | cotto_work | good morning GeJ |
| 22:14 | Whiteknight | good morning |
| 22:18 | GeJ | heya cotto, Whiteknight |
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| 22:33 | cotto_work | I remember this guy from somewhere: http://fosdem.org/2010/interview/david-fetter |
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| 22:42 | Whiteknight | he didnt mention parrot! |
| 22:44 | NotFound | compilers/data_json/data_json.pbc isn't built on my system :? |
| 22:45 | plobsing | NotFound: what? I thought I fixed that yesterday |
| 22:45 | NotFound | Ah, let me check the rev |
| 22:46 | r43604 | |
| 22:46 | Ok, I'll update and rebuild | |
| 22:47 | plobsing | yeah, i fixed it in 43619 |
| 22:50 | NotFound | Fine now, thanks |
| 22:51 | dalek | parrot: r43631 | plobsing++ | trunk/tools/build/nativecall.pl: |
| 22:51 | parrot: small simplifications to nativecall.pl | |
| 22:51 | parrot: review: http://trac.parrot.org/parrot/changeset/43631/ | |
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| 23:16 | Whiteknight | I'm watching that speech by Allison right now. I always like watching her presentations |
| 23:20 | cotto_work | I'm not charmed by what I see in http://trac-hacks.org/wiki/GitPlugin. It looks like that particular Trac Git plugin still needs work. |
| 23:21 | Whiteknight | are there other options? |
| 23:22 | ash_ | Redmine is nice |
| 23:22 | works with multiple types of repositories | |
| 23:22 | i use it for my school projects | |
| 23:24 | cotto_work | Whiteknight, that seems to be the most popular one. |
| 23:25 | Whiteknight | what I don't like about these videos of Allison is that she's trying to explain all these concepts that are fundamental in Parrot to people who are completely non-familiar with them |
| 23:26 | Where I would prefer to maybe see a more advanced version | |
| 23:29 | cotto_work | Sure, but it wouldn't make sense to talk about that to a room full of jvm guys. |
| 23:30 | ash_ | are you watching the video in dynamic language concepts? |
| 23:47 | tetragon joined #parrot |
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