Camelia, the Perl 6 bug

IRC log for #parrot, 2010-09-28

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00:03 bacek_at_work ~~
00:04 cotto ~?
00:04 whiteknight 'ello
00:04 cotto ~ello
00:05 bacek_at_work seen nwellnhof
00:05 aloha nwellnhof was last seen in #parrot 1 days 1 hours ago joining the channel.
00:05 bacek_at_work hmm...
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00:06 bacek_at_work msg nwellnhof Can you catch me on IRC to discuss gc_ms2 improvements?
00:06 aloha OK. I'll deliver the message.
00:11 GeJ G'Day bacek.
00:11 bacek_at_work G'Day GeJ
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00:21 bacek_at_work GeJ, you'll love it :)
00:21 bacek_at_work clock?
00:21 aloha SYD: Tue, 10:21 EST / UTC: Tue, 00:21 UTC
00:24 bacek_at_work if someone want more timezone in "clock" just tell me alias ant full timezone name
00:29 GeJ I'd say PDT, EDT and CEST
00:32 bacek_at_work Full tz names?
00:32 GeJ America/Los_Angeles  America/New_York  and Europe/Madrid
00:34 GeJ CEST shoudl cover jnthn and moritz.
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00:36 GeJ clock?
00:36 aloha GeJ: SYD: Tue, 10:36 EST / PTD: Mon, 17:36 PDT / EDT: Mon, 20:36 EDT / UTC: Tue, 00:36 UTC / CEST: Tue, 02:36 CEST
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00:38 bacek_at_work clock?
00:38 aloha bacek_at_work: MAD: Tue, 02:38 CEST / SYD: Tue, 10:38 EST / NYC: Mon, 20:38 EDT / LAX: Mon, 17:38 PDT / UTC: Tue, 00:38 UTC
00:38 bacek_at_work something like this?
00:39 bacek_at_work clock?
00:39 aloha bacek_at_work: MAD: Tue, 02:39 CEST / SYD: Tue, 10:39 EST / NYC: Mon, 20:39 EDT / TOK: Tue, 09:39 JST / LAX: Mon, 17:39 PDT / UTC: Tue, 00:39 UTC
00:39 bacek_at_work ok. I think it's enough for now.
00:48 cotto wfm
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01:16 whiteknight GeJ: I got your CLA and forwarded it on to the directors list. You're good to go if you get nominated
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01:32 ash_ pbc_merge can merge any 2 pbc's right?
01:33 dukeleto ash_: in theory
01:34 ash_ i wonder if i could update rakudo's make to keep all the core files as seperate files instead of making core.pm and converting that to core.pir, then compile each pir to pbc and merge them...
01:34 ash_ then rakudo might build better on low memory systems...
01:35 plobsing ash_: jnthn and pmichaud have advised me that that would be hard to do as core.pm is highly self-referential
01:36 ash_ hard or impossible?
01:37 plobsing you have a point. they never said "impossible".
01:37 plobsing however they seemed to suggest that there were other improvements with better payoff/work ratios.
01:37 plobsing I'll stop putting words in other peoples mouths now.
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02:02 kid51 Talk about a slow day:  No commits to trunk in over 24 hours!  What's happenin', people?
02:05 plobsing someone said parrot wasn't running on Minix, so I've installed it (vbox) and am now building. it is slooooooow (hardware virt seems to cause kernel segfaults).
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02:31 GeJ clock?
02:31 aloha GeJ: MAD: Tue, 04:31 CEST / SYD: Tue, 12:31 EST / NYC: Mon, 22:31 EDT / TOK: Tue, 11:31 JST / LAX: Mon, 19:31 PDT / UTC: Tue, 02:31 UTC
02:34 * kid51 must sleep
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02:54 sorear ash_: you can't use pbc_merge to split the Rakudo setting, because the Rakudo setting is a single function
02:57 GeJ msg kid51 I just posted a #ps report in case I can't make it tomorrow. I can't tell yet when I'll be able to come back online. Don't hesitate to /q me if needed.
02:57 GeJ stoopid bot.
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03:08 bacek_at_work aloha, clock?
03:08 aloha bacek_at_work: bacek_at_work: MAD: Tue, 05:08 CEST / SYD: Tue, 13:08 EST / NYC: Mon, 23:08 EDT / TOK: Tue, 12:08 JST / LAX: Mon, 20:08 PDT / UTC: Tue, 03:08 UTC
03:08 aloha bacek_at_work: I give up.
03:08 bacek_at_work msg bacek bang
03:08 aloha OK. I'll deliver the message.
03:08 bacek_at_work GeJ, fixed. I forgot to load Msg module after restart. Sorry.
03:09 GeJ bacek_at_work: no problemo.
03:09 GeJ msg kid51 I just posted a #ps report in case I can't make it tomorrow. I can't tell yet when I'll be able to come back online. Don't hesitate to /q me if needed.
03:09 aloha OK. I'll deliver the message.
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03:09 GeJ thanks hun'
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03:37 GeJ bacek_at_work: If I may make a suggestion, I'd sort the clock output from LAX to SYD.
03:41 bacek_at_work GeJ, http://github.com/bacek/aloha :)
03:41 bacek_at_work fork it, patch it, send pull request :)
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04:12 bacek_at_work clock?
04:12 aloha bacek_at_work: LAX: Mon, 21:12 PDT / MAD: Tue, 06:12 CEST / NYC: Tue, 00:12 EDT / SYD: Tue, 14:12 EST / TOK: Tue, 13:12 JST / UTC: Tue, 04:12 UTC
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04:54 bacek_at_work msg mj41 Looks like taptinder is broken.
04:54 aloha OK. I'll deliver the message.
04:54 bacek_at_work seen mj41
04:54 bacek_at_work seen mj41
04:54 aloha Sorry, I haven't seen mj41.
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05:30 dalek parrot: r49359 | bacek++ | branches/generational_gc/src/gc/gc_ms2.c:
05:30 dalek parrot: Actually propagate PMC into older generation.
05:30 dalek parrot: review: http://trac.parrot.org/parrot/changeset/49359/
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06:06 mikehh bacek_at_work: hey, some of us are on BST one hour before CEST
06:07 bacek_at_work mikehh, just give me shortname, timezone and I'll add it
06:07 bacek_at_work mikehh, LON => Europe/London?
06:08 bacek_at_work clock?
06:08 mikehh purl says -> LAX: Mon 11:07pm PDT / CHI: Tue 1:07am CDT / NYC: Tue 2:07am EDT / LON: Tue 7:07am BST / BER: Tue 8:07am CEST / IND: Tue 11:37am IST / TOK: Tue 3:07pm JST / SYD: Tue 4:07pm EST /
06:09 bacek_at_work clock?
06:09 aloha bacek_at_work: LAX: Mon, 23:09 PDT / LON: Tue, 07:09 BST / MAD: Tue, 08:09 CEST / NYC: Tue, 02:09 EDT / SYD: Tue, 16:09 EST / TOK: Tue, 15:09 JST / UTC: Tue, 06:09 UTC
06:09 bacek_at_work mikehh, added.
06:11 mikehh prefer 24 hour format over am/pm
06:12 bacek_at_work mikehh, it is.
06:12 bacek_at_work look at LAX
06:12 bacek_at_work or SYD
06:13 mikehh bacek_at_work: just commenting on aloha vs purl (have purl open in a query tab
06:13 bacek_at_work mikehh, ah. ok. I prefer 24h format too :)
06:14 mikehh purl has CHI/CDT and IND/IST too
06:15 bacek_at_work mikehh, just give me timezone names and I'll add them
06:15 bacek_at_work full timezone name
06:16 bacek_at_work and aloha has UTC :)
06:17 mikehh bacek_at_work: purl says -> mikehh: LAX: Mon 11:16pm PDT / CHI: Tue 1:16am CDT / NYC: Tue 2:16am EDT / LON: Tue 7:16am BST / BER: Tue 8:16am CEST / IND: Tue 11:46am IST / TOK: Tue 3:16pm JST / SYD: Tue 4:16pm EST /
06:18 bacek_at_work mikehh, I know. But I don't think that POSIX::strftime can handle short TZ code.
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07:00 GeJ Guess It's time to create a github account.
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07:45 bacek ~~
07:47 GeJ bacek: pull request sent ;)
07:49 bacek GeJ, I already sorted timezones :)
07:50 GeJ :)
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07:51 bacek hey, it's not pull request?
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07:52 GeJ clock?
07:52 aloha GeJ: LAX: Tue, 00:52 PDT / LON: Tue, 08:52 BST / MAD: Tue, 09:52 CEST / NYC: Tue, 03:52 EDT / SYD: Tue, 17:52 EST / TOK: Tue, 16:52 JST / UTC: Tue, 07:52 UTC
07:53 GeJ Oh, my order is from West to East. so that would be LAX -> NYC -> UTC -> LON -> MAD -> TOK -> SYD
07:54 bacek GeJ, yes. I like your patch. Just send "pull request" :)
07:55 bacek on github
07:55 GeJ http://github.com/bacek/aloha/pull/1
07:55 * GeJ isa github n00b.
07:57 bacek Done.
07:59 bacek I added you as committer to aloha. You can just clone original repo.
08:00 bacek I'll update Clock module tomorrow.
08:04 GeJ thank you.
08:09 bacek Welcome to the club :)
08:41 GeJ bacek, I think you added the wrong 'geraud'.
08:41 bacek GeJ, ooops.
08:42 bacek should be fixed now
08:46 GeJ much better. Thanks.
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09:40 dalek rakudo: 0bf6cbe | moritz++ | README:
09:40 dalek rakudo: update README about spectest repo
09:40 dalek rakudo:
09:40 dalek rakudo: Closes RT #78084
09:40 dalek rakudo: review: http://github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/0​bf6cbe3b6419ca5ed16b6fbcd877922863e0608
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10:01 dalek parrot: r49360 | bacek++ | branches/generational_gc/src/gc/gc_ms2.c:
10:01 dalek parrot: Move "write barriered" object back to young generation.
10:01 dalek parrot: review: http://trac.parrot.org/parrot/changeset/49360/
10:01 dalek parrot: r49361 | bacek++ | branches/generational_gc/lib/Parrot/Pmc2c (2 files):
10:01 dalek parrot: Generate more wb vtables.
10:01 dalek parrot: review: http://trac.parrot.org/parrot/changeset/49361/
10:01 dalek parrot: r49362 | bacek++ | branches/generational_gc/lib/​Parrot/Pmc2c/PMC/default.pm:
10:01 dalek parrot: Remove special handling of default.find_method. It's not marked as writable, so there is no need to handle it specially
10:01 dalek parrot: review: http://trac.parrot.org/parrot/changeset/49362/
10:12 mikehh bacek: fails tests in make corevm/make coretest now, and hangs on t/op/gc-non-recursive.t, make fails to build
10:12 bacek mikehh, I know...
10:13 mikehh bacek: :-} - still keeping codetest ok
10:18 dalek parrot: r49363 | mikehh++ | branches/generational_gc/l​ib/Parrot/Pmc2c/PMC/WB.pm:
10:18 dalek parrot: fix codetest failure - trailing spaces
10:18 dalek parrot: review: http://trac.parrot.org/parrot/changeset/49363/
10:26 cotto that gc work reminds me of a memory leak I need to fix
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10:36 dalek parrot: r49364 | mikehh++ | failed to fetch changeset:
10:36 dalek parrot: [html_cleanup] merge with trunk - r49363
10:36 dalek parrot: review: http://trac.parrot.org/parrot/changeset/49364/
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10:44 cotto bacek, ping
10:45 bacek cotto, pong
10:45 cotto should your branch update Parrot_destroy_vtable in src/vtables.c?
10:46 bacek cotto, hmm. Why?
10:46 bacek ah.
10:46 bacek yesh
10:46 bacek yes
10:46 bacek But it's not my biggest problem so far...
10:46 cotto likely not
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10:53 whiteknight bacek++
10:57 GeJ Good morning whiteknight.
10:58 whiteknight hello GeJ
11:10 dalek parrot: r49365 | bacek++ | branches/generational_gc/src/gc/gc_ms2.c:
11:10 dalek parrot: Awful hack - reuse VTABLE_mark to propagate objects between generations. WIP, broken, etc
11:10 dalek parrot: review: http://trac.parrot.org/parrot/changeset/49365/
11:30 GeJ Good night everyone.
11:30 * GeJ &
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15:13 dalek rakudo: bd836a4 | moritz++ | src/ (2 files):
15:13 dalek rakudo: give TimToday++ his Mu.not
15:13 dalek rakudo: review: http://github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/b​d836a4a63bd51f52c1ebdfeb12ea9dd0925140c
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15:25 dalek rakudo: 6241883 | moritz++ | src/Perl6/Grammar.pm:
15:25 dalek rakudo: Revert accidental grammar change from bd836a4a
15:25 dalek rakudo:
15:25 dalek rakudo: moritz--, and colomon++ for noticing
15:25 dalek rakudo: review: http://github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/6​2418835ec1a67095bdc0253f7a27c53f2244a49
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17:24 dalek parrot: r49366 | ash++ | branches/gsoc_nci (410 files):
17:24 dalek parrot: Merge remote branch 'trunk' into gsoc_nci
17:24 dalek parrot: Conflicts:
17:24 dalek parrot: src/pmc/nci.pmc
17:24 dalek parrot: review: http://trac.parrot.org/parrot/changeset/49366/
17:28 dukeleto ash++
17:29 ash_ my nci work from GSoC still works with the trunk, but i need to add a few more tests before it can get added to trunk, i think
17:30 * Kovensky wonders what keeps track of the ++ and --
17:30 dukeleto ash_: yes, more tests, please :)
17:30 ash_ it passes all the same tests as trunk
17:31 dukeleto Kovensky: bots
17:31 dukeleto karma ash
17:31 ash_ but needs better tests of the new features i added
17:31 ash_ seen purl
17:31 aloha Sorry, I haven't seen purl.
17:31 dukeleto aloha, karma ash
17:31 * dukeleto guesses the bots are on vacation
17:31 ash_ lol
17:32 dukeleto Kovensky: we have had a bot revolution recently. purl used to keep track of it
17:32 Kovensky lulz
17:33 moritz and we have public IRC logs; I wrote a script that can extract that karma too
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17:47 dukeleto Kovensky: so yeah, it is kept track of somewhere, but things are currently being rearranged
17:47 dukeleto Kovensky: welcome, by the way
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18:40 dalek TT #1794 closed by luben++: Linear hash scan assumes non-NULL keys
18:40 dalek TT #1794: http://trac.parrot.org/parrot/ticket/1794
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19:41 dalek parrot: r49367 | nwellnhof++ | branches/string_macros (87 files):
19:41 dalek parrot: Merge trunk
19:41 dalek parrot: review: http://trac.parrot.org/parrot/changeset/49367/
19:41 dalek parrot: r49368 | nwellnhof++ | branches/string_macros/src/string/api.c:
19:41 dalek parrot: [str] Optimize str_rep_compatible
19:41 dalek parrot: review: http://trac.parrot.org/parrot/changeset/49368/
19:41 dalek parrot: r49369 | nwellnhof++ | branches/string_macros (16 files):
19:42 dalek parrot: Merge trunk
19:42 dalek parrot: review: http://trac.parrot.org/parrot/changeset/49369/
19:52 GeJ Bonjour everyone.
19:52 GeJ clock?
19:52 aloha GeJ: LAX: Tue, 12:52 PDT / LON: Tue, 20:52 BST / MAD: Tue, 21:52 CEST / NYC: Tue, 15:52 EDT / SYD: Wed, 05:52 EST / TOK: Wed, 04:52 JST / UTC: Tue, 19:52 UTC
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20:32 dukeleto #ps starts now-ish
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21:04 dukeleto aloha, msg coke can you give GeJ a commit bit, please? Thanks.
21:04 aloha dukeleto: OK. I'll deliver the message.
21:06 dalek parrot: r49370 | nwellnhof++ | trunk/t/op/gc-non-recursive.t:
21:06 dalek parrot: [t] Fix t/op/gc-non-recursive.t
21:06 dalek parrot: review: http://trac.parrot.org/parrot/changeset/49370/
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21:27 Paul_the_Greek 450MB for 6K lines is 75K per line.
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21:28 aloha chromatic was last seen in #parrot 3 days 2 hours ago joining the channel.
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21:31 dukeleto blog posts about the GC are grealy appreciated
21:31 dukeleto just describing how it currently works and what problems exist would be awesome
21:31 * dukeleto goes
21:33 cotto sounds like a perfect generic task.  The best person to document code is someone who doesn't know it.
21:34 GeJ not GC-related, but for some time I was pondering about a series of posts about "Parrot for Dummies" or how to use Parrot as a generic programming language for fun and profit.
21:35 cotto You mean PIR or nqp-rx?
21:36 atrodo All of the above?
21:37 GeJ I skipped the nqp-rx phase. I'll need to get acquainted with it. Originally I was going for PIR.
21:37 GeJ but if people think nqp-rx would be better, I can head that way.
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21:47 cotto GeJ, nqp-rx is definitely nicer to use
21:48 cotto you still need to drop down to pir, but it's worth learning
21:50 GeJ I'll have a look at it then.
21:51 nwellnhof i think there's a real lack of nqp-rx documentation and tutorials.
21:52 GeJ nwellnhof: just co'd the repository and I must agree.
21:53 nwellnhof is there any nqp-rx documentation at all?
21:53 nwellnhof ok, it's a subset of perl6. but is that enough to know?
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21:55 cotto the test suite is pretty good
21:55 nwellnhof yeah, the test suite helped me a lot
22:01 GeJ Indeed.
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23:22 dalek parrot: r49371 | bacek++ | branches/generational_gc/src/multidispatch.c:
23:22 dalek parrot: Add write barriers where we are changing Sub PMC directly.
23:22 dalek parrot: review: http://trac.parrot.org/parrot/changeset/49371/
23:22 dalek parrot: r49372 | bacek++ | branches/generational_gc/lib/Parrot/Pmc2c (3 files):
23:22 dalek parrot: Generate wb_variant_vtable in more sane way: get current vtable and update it using parent's wb_update_vtable
23:22 dalek parrot: review: http://trac.parrot.org/parrot/changeset/49372/
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23:54 bacek_at_work ~~
23:54 dukeleto GeJ: i just added you to the github parrot organization
23:54 dukeleto bacek_at_work: how goes it?
23:54 GeJ G'Day bacek.
23:54 bacek_at_work G'Day GeJ
23:55 bacek_at_work dukeleto, not too bad. I just need a lot of write barriers for gen_gc. Similar to r49371
23:57 dukeleto GeJ: you can do a "git clone git@github.com:parrot/parrot.git" to get a copy of the repo
23:58 dukeleto bacek_at_work: can you explain to me what the write barriers actually accomplish? why do we need them?
23:58 * cotto was wondering the same thing
23:59 bacek_at_work if we moved aggregate object into older generation
23:59 bacek_at_work and then add fresh, young object into it
23:59 GeJ dukeleto: but any commit I'd do won't show in svn, right?
23:59 bacek_at_work e.g. RPA(gen2)->PMC(gen1)

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