Camelia, the Perl 6 bug

IRC log for #parrot, 2010-11-06

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00:21 GeJ Bonjour everyone.
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00:22 GeJ aloha: clock?
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14:48 dalek parrot: r49788 | jkeenan++ | trunk (104 files):
14:48 dalek parrot: Merge tt1841_osvers branch into trunk.  Adds 'osvers' to configuration data.
14:48 dalek parrot: review: http://trac.parrot.org/parrot/changeset/49788/
14:49 dalek parrot: r49789 | jkeenan++ | branches/tt1841_osvers:
14:49 dalek parrot: Branch has been merged into trunk and is no longer needed at HEAD.
14:49 dalek parrot: review: http://trac.parrot.org/parrot/changeset/49789/
14:50 dalek TT #1841 closed by jkeenan++: Add 'osvers' key-value pair to Configure.pl
14:50 dalek TT #1841: http://trac.parrot.org/parrot/ticket/1841
14:58 ttbot Parrot trunk/ r49788 i386-freebsd-64int make error http://tt.taptinder.org/file/cmdout/416245.txt ( http://tt.taptinder.org//bui​ldstatus/pr-Parrot/rp-trunk/ )
15:04 dalek parrot: r49790 | jkeenan++ | trunk/config/init/hints/freebsd.pm:
15:04 dalek parrot: Attempting to deal with tinderbox build failure report.  Commenting out assignment to 'osvers'.
15:04 dalek parrot: review: http://trac.parrot.org/parrot/changeset/49790/
15:05 kid51 That's a very unusual taptinder error.  It's saying that __APPLE_CC__ is not defined.  But why would it be on FreeBSD?
15:07 dalek tracwiki: v7 | jkeenan++ | Lorito
15:07 dalek tracwiki: http://trac.parrot.org/parrot/wiki​/Lorito?version=7&action=diff
15:08 arnsholt kid51: Good question. But I think Apple has contributed some source code to fBSD via Darwin, so that might be it
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15:09 kid51 arnsholt:  But the curious thing is:  That assignment to 'osvers' in configuration is not, to our knowledge, used anywhere within 'make'.
15:09 kid51 We are just stashing it away for future use.
15:17 arnsholt Curious
15:18 kid51 Re-opening TT #1841.
15:21 dalek TT #1841 reopened by jkeenan++: Add 'osvers' key-value pair to Configure.pl
15:21 dalek TT #1841: http://trac.parrot.org/parrot/ticket/1841
15:27 kid51 On my Mac, I'm looking at /opt/local/include/libintl.h.  This file's path suggests that I installed it via macports or Fink several years ago.
15:28 kid51 (In contrast, on my Linux box, I have /usr/include/libintl.h ... which suggests it came with Debian.)
15:29 kid51 This /opt/local/include/libintl.h does have some code referencing __APPLE_CC__ -- as you would expect on Darwin.
15:29 kid51 The fact that on the Taptinder box this file was found in /usr/local/include/ suggests to me that it is not a vendor-supplied file.  Perhaps a 'port'.
15:30 mikehh kid51: seems ok now
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15:31 kid51 But why would something that, AFAICT, is never used during 'make' cause a 'make' failure?
15:33 mikehh kid51: sumtimes dese here 'puters are not as deterministic as we would like :-}
15:35 kid51 Even more weird:  Taptinder reported this successful build:  http://tt.taptinder.org/file/cmdout/416288.txt
15:35 kid51 But this one has just as many __APPLE_CC__ warnings as the one that failed!
15:35 kid51 So maybe that was spurious.
15:37 kid51 The failure in 416245 came in 'miniparrot':
15:37 kid51 cc -o ./miniparrot src/main.o src/null_config.o  -L/usr/home/jurosz/tt1/client-d​ata/Parrot-trunk-temp/blib/lib -lparrot  -lm -lcrypt -lutil -lreadline -lintl -Wl,-E  -L/usr/local/lib
15:37 kid51 src/thread.c:753: undefined reference to `pthread_create'
15:37 kid51 *** Error code 1
15:37 kid51 Stop in /usr/home/jurosz/tt1/clien​t-data/Parrot-trunk-temp.
15:43 kid51 In http://tt.taptinder.org/file/cmdout/416245.txt (the failure), 'miniparrot' was being invoked by 'cc'.
15:43 kid51 http://tt.taptinder.org/file/cmdout/416288.txt (the success), 'miniparrot' was being invoked by 'g++'.
15:46 mikehh kid51: those warnings go way back: it has them in the oldest report there for r49577
15:46 kid51 mikehh: Yes, and if I google for them I find them in lots of other contexts
15:47 kid51 So they have nothing to do with Parrot or 'osvers'
15:47 kid51 As an experiment, I'm going to un-revert and see what that Taptinder FreeBSD box does.
15:47 mikehh kid51: not AFAICS
15:51 dalek parrot: r49791 | jkeenan++ | trunk/config/init/hints/freebsd.pm:
15:51 dalek parrot: Trying to track down source of build failure on FreeBSD.
15:51 dalek parrot: review: http://trac.parrot.org/parrot/changeset/49791/
15:54 mikehh kid51: the only ref to __APPLE_CC__ I could find in parrot was in src/pmc/env.pmc
16:01 ttbot Parrot trunk/ r49791 i386-freebsd-64int make error http://tt.taptinder.org/file/cmdout/416333.txt ( http://tt.taptinder.org//bui​ldstatus/pr-Parrot/rp-trunk/ )
16:05 kid51 Well, the build failure returned, so I shall have to re-revert.
16:07 dalek parrot: r49792 | jkeenan++ | trunk/config/init/hints/freebsd.pm:
16:07 dalek parrot: Again have to comment out assignment to 'osvers' to prevent build error reported by taptinder.
16:07 dalek parrot: review: http://trac.parrot.org/parrot/changeset/49792/
16:07 kid51 We'll have to see if we can get one of our live developers who works of FreeBSD to help out with this.
16:20 mikehh kid51: weird, what is wrong with building miniparrot with gcc on FreeBSD, is seems to work fine with g++ with the rest built with gcc
16:21 mikehh kid51: I seem to remember you mentioning that on your PPC you used g++ for ld but gcc for the rest
16:24 kid51 mikehh:  I haven't actually svn up on my Darwin/PPC yet.
16:24 kid51 But, in any case, that case would be governed by config/init/hints/darwin.pm ... not hints/freebsd.pm.
16:26 dalek tracwiki: v61 | whiteknight++ | GoogleCodeIn2010Tasks
16:26 dalek tracwiki: + create a website at <span class="icon">�</span>http://parrot.github.org</a>
16:26 dalek tracwiki: http://trac.parrot.org/parrot/wiki/GoogleC​odeIn2010Tasks?version=61&amp;action=diff
16:26 dalek tracwiki: v62 | whiteknight++ | GoogleCodeIn2010Tasks
16:26 dalek tracwiki: +project about a census of users
16:26 dalek tracwiki: http://trac.parrot.org/parrot/wiki/GoogleC​odeIn2010Tasks?version=62&amp;action=diff
16:28 kid51 testing on Darwin/PPC
16:28 kid51 bbial
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17:45 dukeleto whiteknight: thanks for making new tasks!
17:45 dukeleto whiteknight: keeping them in difficulty order would be nice, tho :)
17:45 dukeleto (whoever fixed dalek)++
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17:47 dukeleto whiteknight: how is your census task different than the "create a survey" task?
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19:23 whiteknight dukeleto: I didn't see the "create a survey " task
19:25 dukeleto whiteknight: it is near the top
19:25 whiteknight do you think we should break this long list up into subpages?
19:25 whiteknight it's hard to navigate as-is
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19:30 cotto seen chromatic
19:30 aloha chromatic was last seen in #parrot 2 days 16 hours ago saying "msg kid51 anything Rakudo related.".
19:36 whiteknight yay! first volunteer for the API team
19:37 cotto I thought you already had a couple.
19:37 whiteknight where do we stand on the git migration? We're still waiting for people to verify their author names?
19:38 cotto That's my understanding.
19:38 dalek tracwiki: v3 | whiteknight++ | ProductManagementTeam
19:38 dalek tracwiki: +bluescreen
19:38 dalek tracwiki: http://trac.parrot.org/parrot/wiki/Produc​tManagementTeam?version=3&amp;action=diff
19:38 whiteknight oh, nice! updates about the wiki again!
19:38 cotto If dukeleto is ok with it, I'd like to finalize the schedule and post it to the relevant lists.
19:39 cotto Great!  I really missed those.
19:39 whiteknight I would like that too, if duke is cool
19:39 cotto dukeleto, ping
19:41 cotto We got a correction from moritz, so it'd be hard to say that people didn't get a fair shot at making corrections.
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19:57 * cotto toys with getting an addendum to his employment contract that gives him the right to add "Rocket Surgeon" to his job description.
20:12 cotto This makes legalese much more fun, though I'm sure any lawyer looking at it would laugh and tell me to go away.
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20:24 dukeleto cotto: pong
20:27 cotto dukeleto, how do you feel about nailing down a git migration schedule today?
20:33 whiteknight I think it's more important to have any timeline, than to have any particular one
20:34 whiteknight so it doesn't matter what the schedule is, so long as we can put something on the calendar
20:34 cotto That's pretty much what I want to do.
20:43 dukeleto cotto: sure
20:49 nopaste "cotto" at 192.168.1.3 pasted "any holes in this?" (7 lines) at http://nopaste.snit.ch/25354
20:49 cotto dukeleto, ^
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21:37 dukeleto cotto: sounds ok to me, as long as the OSUOSL people konw about it
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22:05 cotto dukeleto, is anything missing?  How will the author maps figure in?
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22:32 dukeleto cotto: that will have to be massaged
22:32 dukeleto cotto: what did you mean that we got something from moritz? Did the CREDITS get updated?
22:32 * dukeleto has a really busy day, and won't be able to do much until Monday, most probably
22:34 cotto dukeleto, moritz updated CREDITS
22:34 * cotto knows the feeling
22:34 dukeleto cotto: ok, that means i need to regenerate from CREDITS and fix the "a.k.a" lines again
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23:55 sorear Infinoid: ping

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