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cotto_work |
hio whiteknight |
| 00:00 |
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whiteknight |
hello cotto_work |
| 00:00 |
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whiteknight |
the release tomorrow is going to be...interesting |
| 00:00 |
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kid51 |
�porqu�? |
| 00:01 |
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whiteknight |
kid51: my development laptop died lastnight |
| 00:01 |
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cotto_work |
I don't like ...interesting releases |
| 00:01 |
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whiteknight |
so I'm going to have to do the release on a hodgepodge of different computers |
| 00:01 |
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kid51 |
whiteknight: Your computers seem to, ... um, have a short lifetime. |
| 00:01 |
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whiteknight |
it will get done, and earlier than I normally do because I won't wait till I get home from work to do it |
| 00:01 |
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whiteknight |
kid51: Actually I have a pretty good record, historically |
| 00:03 |
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kid51 |
IIRC, you were having problems with a laptop cover a few months back |
| 00:06 |
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cotto_work |
Has anyone built Rakudo with master recently? |
| 00:12 |
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whiteknight |
kid51: yeah, my kid broke the hinge for my laptop monitor |
| 00:13 |
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whiteknight |
actually this problem may be related to that one, I suspect the hinge repair job did something negative to the wires leading to my monitor backlight |
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dalek |
parrot: ee05fe3 | jkeenan++ | MANIFEST.SKIP: |
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dalek |
parrot: Regenerate after recent additions to .gitignore. |
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dalek |
parrot: review: https://github.com/parrot/parr[…]commit/ee05fe3a40 |
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kid51 |
make fulltest: had one FAIL on linux/i386, which should now be corrected with that last commit (SKIP) |
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cotto_work |
jnthn: ping |
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cotto_work |
whiteknight: have you tried bugging juerd on #perl6? |
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dalek |
ohm-eta-wink-kzd: 516af44 | plobsing++ | src/winxed-compiler.dual: |
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dalek |
ohm-eta-wink-kzd: names can be keywords |
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dalek |
ohm-eta-wink-kzd: review: https://github.com/plobsing/oh[…]commit/516af44f2e |
| 00:57 |
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dalek |
ohm-eta-wink-kzd: c2eed60 | plobsing++ | src/winxed-compiler.dual: |
| 00:57 |
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dalek |
ohm-eta-wink-kzd: don't poke #name tokens directly |
| 00:57 |
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dalek |
ohm-eta-wink-kzd: review: https://github.com/plobsing/oh[…]commit/c2eed609c0 |
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dalek |
ohm-eta-wink-kzd: 5b04966 | plobsing++ | src/winxed-compiler.dual: |
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dalek |
ohm-eta-wink-kzd: check rule 'name' last - it is very broad |
| 00:57 |
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dalek |
ohm-eta-wink-kzd: review: https://github.com/plobsing/oh[…]commit/5b04966493 |
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dalek |
ohm-eta-wink-kzd: 36721fd | plobsing++ | src/winxed-compiler.dual: |
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dalek |
ohm-eta-wink-kzd: bypass tokenizer to allow keyword names |
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dalek |
ohm-eta-wink-kzd: review: https://github.com/plobsing/oh[…]commit/36721fd7e4 |
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dalek |
ohm-eta-wink-kzd: bc3e778 | plobsing++ | src/ometa-base.winxed: |
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dalek |
ohm-eta-wink-kzd: exactly() uses == not === in winxed - === on PMCs is different than in JS |
| 00:57 |
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dalek |
ohm-eta-wink-kzd: review: https://github.com/plobsing/oh[…]commit/bc3e778890 |
| 00:57 |
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dalek |
ohm-eta-wink-kzd: 6cb374f | plobsing++ | src/ometa-base.winxed: |
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dalek |
ohm-eta-wink-kzd: eliminate references to unimplemented sub |
| 00:57 |
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dalek |
ohm-eta-wink-kzd: review: https://github.com/plobsing/oh[…]commit/6cb374f3c5 |
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dalek |
ohm-eta-wink-kzd: e062fd7 | plobsing++ | t/tutorial.Ωη: |
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dalek |
ohm-eta-wink-kzd: small changes from javascript to winxed |
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dalek |
ohm-eta-wink-kzd: review: https://github.com/plobsing/oh[…]commit/e062fd780a |
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sorear |
What does ohm-eta-wink-kzd stand for? |
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plobsing_ |
OMeta/Winxed |
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plobsing_ |
I pronounce them the same |
| 01:11 |
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whiteknight |
cotto_work: I tried privmsg him a few times. I think we're on opposite schedules |
| 01:12 |
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whiteknight |
cotto_work: I thought aloha was back yesterday? |
| 01:12 |
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whiteknight |
I think aloha is here now |
| 01:12 |
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whiteknight |
aloha? |
| 01:12 |
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whiteknight |
aloha help |
| 01:12 |
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aloha |
whiteknight: Ask me for help about: msg, convert, status, vars, karma, auth, seen, maths, clock, infobot, translate, loader (say 'help <modulename>'). |
| 01:14 |
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cotto_work |
msg whiteknight I guess you're right. |
| 01:14 |
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aloha |
OK. I'll deliver the message. |
| 01:14 |
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cotto_work |
We need to get that bot onto feather. |
| 01:15 |
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cotto_work |
seen fbrito |
| 01:15 |
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aloha |
fbrito was last seen in #parrot 10 days 6 hours ago joining the channel. |
| 01:15 |
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cotto_work |
karma svn |
| 01:15 |
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aloha |
svn has karma of -8. |
| 01:15 |
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cotto_work |
karma git |
| 01:15 |
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aloha |
git has karma of 3. |
| 01:15 |
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cotto_work |
it's clearly not functioning at 100% |
| 01:15 |
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kid51_at_dinner |
make fulltest PASS on darwin/ppc |
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| 01:19 |
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dalek |
parrot: a70fea8 | jkeenan++ | NEWS: |
| 01:19 |
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dalek |
parrot: Add entries about 'quickcover' and 'headerizer.pl'. |
| 01:19 |
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dalek |
parrot: review: https://github.com/parrot/parr[…]commit/a70fea8d36 |
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kid51 |
parrot-members: Please check your email for draft of minutes of our Aug 31 annual meeting. |
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dalek |
ohm-eta-wink-kzd: 54eab58 | plobsing++ | t/tutorial.Ωη: |
| 02:26 |
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dalek |
ohm-eta-wink-kzd: slight mistranlation of javascript tutorial |
| 02:26 |
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dalek |
ohm-eta-wink-kzd: review: https://github.com/plobsing/oh[…]commit/54eab58269 |
| 02:26 |
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dalek |
ohm-eta-wink-kzd: 5ca318d | plobsing++ | src/ometa-base.winxed: |
| 02:26 |
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dalek |
ohm-eta-wink-kzd: ResizablePMCArray is the winxed Array equivalent |
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dalek |
ohm-eta-wink-kzd: review: https://github.com/plobsing/oh[…]commit/5ca318d408 |
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cotto |
~ |
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plobsing_ |
~~ |
| 03:12 |
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plobsing_ |
unicode filenames make IMCC unhappy :( |
| 03:14 |
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cotto |
imcc makes everyone unhappy, so I think it balances out |
| 03:15 |
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plobsing_ |
hmmm... doesn't look like its just imcc. loading pbc also fails |
| 03:20 |
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plobsing_ |
unicode command line arguments in general are ok, only when they are filenames for parrot to load does it fail |
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dalek |
TT #1898 created by plobsing++: unicode bytecode filenames |
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dalek |
TT #1898 : http://trac.parrot.org/parrot/ticket/1898 |
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* cotto |
just rebased a gist. This is great. |
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treed |
github is pretty awesome |
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cotto |
If there were a decent gist bot, nopaste would be obsolete. |
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treed |
Hm. |
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sorear |
what does it even mean to rebase a gist? |
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cotto |
I have a clone here and one at work. I made some changes here but didn't commit/push. I pushed some changes at work and then committed/rebased at home. |
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dalek |
parrot: 1e0c652 | (Gerd Pokorra)++ | tools/docs/filename_and_chapter.pl: |
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dalek |
parrot: change bounds |
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dalek |
parrot: review: https://github.com/parrot/parr[…]commit/1e0c6529ca |
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smash |
hello everyone |
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mikehh |
All tests PASS (pre/post-config, make corevm/make coretest, smoke (#1786) fulltest) at 1e0c652 - Ubuntu 10.10 amd64 (g++-4.5 with --optimize) |
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mikehh |
rakudo (cae7f95) - builds on parrot (2_10_1-917-g1e0c652) - make test, make spectest_smolder[(#1789), roast (f94554a)] PASS - Ubuntu 10.10 amd64 (g++-4.5 with --optimize) |
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holli |
I am trying to install rakudo* on WinXP using a Strawberry Perl 5.12 too bootstrap, but i get an error: http://snipt.org/tHI/ - Any suggestions? |
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mikehh |
holli: seems to have lost the separators '\', however I use linux - you need an Win32 person |
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whiteknight |
good morning, #parrot |
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mikehh |
hiya whiteknight |
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mikehh |
how's the release going, don't think htlm_cleanup is quite ready, unfortunately have had no time to work on it |
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mikehh |
last couple of days have been a writeoff as far as parrot is concerned |
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mikehh |
t/src/embed.t - TODO passed: 3 - g++ with --optimize but not without |
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whiteknight |
okay, I'm going to make a branch now to prepare the release |
| 14:04 |
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whiteknight |
I've been testing all morning, just submitted 4 smolder reports that all passed |
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whiteknight |
Actually, I'm going to submit a report for Win64 first |
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smash |
whiteknight: let me know if you want to run any test |
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smash |
*me to run |
| 14:06 |
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whiteknight |
smash: Okay, thanks! I think I am good for now though |
| 14:07 |
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whiteknight |
if you want to run a last-minute smolder test, that would be good |
| 14:07 |
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whiteknight |
oh, and I need updates to NEWS. I haven't been able to do that yet myself |
| 14:07 |
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mikehh |
whiteknight: tests seem ok on Ubuntu i386/amd64, just a TODO pass with --optimize |
| 14:07 |
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whiteknight |
okay, nice |
| 14:08 |
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mikehh |
I've run through fulltest on Ubuntu amd64, gonna check i386 now, bbiab |
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smash |
ok, trying to run some tests |
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whiteknight |
awesome, thanks |
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bluescreen |
whiteknight do you need more smolder? |
| 14:16 |
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whiteknight |
bluescreen: Yes, as much as possible |
| 14:17 |
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bluescreen |
any branch in particular� |
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bluescreen |
? |
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smash |
smolder submitted |
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bluescreen |
is there any way to tell "make smoke" to use proxy ? |
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bluescreen |
nevermind... it is: http_proxy="whatever" make smoke |
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smash |
make test: All tests successful (darwin) |
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dalek |
parrot: ee0b73f | Whiteknight++ | NEWS: |
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dalek |
parrot: update NEWS by doing a very quick skim of git log since 2.10.1 |
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dalek |
parrot: review: https://github.com/parrot/parr[…]commit/ee0b73f211 |
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whiteknight |
awesome. I love seeing all tests successful |
| 14:37 |
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whiteknight |
anybody else have NEWS items? Check that last commit to make sure all your hard work is being accounted for. |
| 14:38 |
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whiteknight |
I'll start the release in ~1 hour to give time to update NEWS and run more tests |
| 14:38 |
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whiteknight |
Can anybody test Rakudo against current Parrot master? |
| 14:40 |
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mikehh |
whiteknight: done on Ubuntu amd64 all pass, dpectest_smolder #1789 |
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mikehh |
spectest_smolder |
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mikehh |
working on i386 now |
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whiteknight |
awesome, thanks |
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whiteknight |
mikehh++ |
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whiteknight |
hardest part about the release is coming up with a good name for it |
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bluescreen |
it isn't any convention like ubuntu's? |
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bluescreen |
maybe parrot species names? |
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bluescreen |
http://www.avianweb.com/parrotspecies.htm ( look how many you have :D ) |
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whiteknight |
bluescreen: yeah, I've been over the list |
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bluescreen |
unbuntu keeps incrementing the first letter of the release's name "H:hardy L:lucid M:maverik" and so |
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whiteknight |
bluescreen: right, we don't do that |
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bluescreen |
lol |
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whiteknight |
release_manager_guide.pod is in need of major fixes and copyedits |
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mikehh |
All tests PASS (pre/post-config, make corevm/make coretest, smoke (#1797) fulltest) at ee0b73f - Ubuntu 10.10 i386 (g++-4.5 with --optimize) |
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whiteknight |
awesome |
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mikehh |
t/src/embed.t - TODO passed: 3 again with --optimize, but without it still fails |
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mikehh |
this happens on both amd64 and i36 Ubuntu - probably due to asserets not happening with --optimize |
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mikehh |
asserts |
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mikehh |
rakudo builds, running spectest_smolder now |
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whiteknight |
okay, I have most other things ready now. When you say rakudo works I'm going to push the new release branch |
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whiteknight |
well, I have to run fulltest too |
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whiteknight |
that's going to take forever |
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mikehh |
rakudo (cae7f95) - builds on parrot (2_10_1-918-gee0b73f) - make test, make spectest_smolder[(#1798), roast (f94554a)] PASS - Ubuntu 10.10 i386 (g++-4.5 with --optimize) |
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whiteknight |
awesome |
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mikehh |
looks good to me, don't know about other platforms though |
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mikehh |
I've tested to fulltest on Ubuntu 10.10 amd64 and i386 plus rakudo |
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whiteknight |
urg, this bootstrap step for ops2c is giving me heartburn |
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whiteknight |
maybe somebody can explain to me why we have functions in Parrot named with the version number in them |
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whiteknight |
and why we need to do the release with an old version of Parrot on the machine, instead of having Configure.pl update the version number automatically when we configure |
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atrodo |
that sounds like fun |
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whiteknight |
yeah, not so much |
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plobsing |
whiteknight: we version the core_ops builtin oplib the same number as parrot that version carries over into the name for getting at those ops. |
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plobsing |
now, I'd argue it doesn't make a lot of sense to version the oplib the same as libparrot. only bump the oplib number when we make ops changes. |
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whiteknight |
plobsing: Okay, I can understand why we would use the version number in the function name. Still doesn't explain why we go through this bootstrap crap |
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plobsing |
but it was a good approximation historically |
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whiteknight |
okay, I'm re-fulltesting now. When that's done I'll push the release and we can go back to breaking the everliving crap out of master again |
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plobsing |
bumping libparrot version number bumps core_ops version number (because that's how we've always done things). changes to core_ops need a bootstrap step |
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whiteknight |
plobsing: Right, but my point is that if the oplib has the same version number as libparrot, it would be trivially easy to set that version number with a macro, and define that at configure time |
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whiteknight |
and then we don't need to bootstrap, we can make a release in 1 shot from a fresh checkout |
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plobsing |
ah, but opsc handles more than just core ops, and those are not versioned with macros |
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whiteknight |
not when I do ./ops2c --core |
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whiteknight |
that's the only bootstrap step we do |
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plobsing |
i'd say we shouldn't have to bump the oplib version number when parrot's version number increases |
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plobsing |
it makes oplib version numbers meaningless |
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plobsing |
oplib version number is more like a finer-grained PBC_COMPAT |
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whiteknight |
I'm fine with takeing that out. My only real complaint is that this bootstrapping process is a pain |
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whiteknight |
however we avoid bootstrapping is fine |
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whiteknight |
git rev-parse master > SHA1_TO_REMEMBER |
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whiteknight |
t/compilers/pge/p5regex/p5rx.t contains almost a thousand tests, most of which are skipped for "unknown reason" or are TODO'd without explanation |
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whiteknight |
at least, I think that's the test producing all this output |
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whiteknight |
t/manifest/01-basic.t fails if we're not in a checkout directory. It runs too many tests |
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whiteknight |
I think there is an extra skip in there somewhere |
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whiteknight |
not a deal breaker |
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dalek |
parrot: 0ee08b4 | Whiteknight++ | ChangeLog: |
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dalek |
parrot: update changelog |
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dalek |
parrot: review: https://github.com/parrot/parr[…]commit/0ee08b4ef4 |
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dalek |
parrot: c8ec1f6 | Whiteknight++ | tools/release/release.json: |
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dalek |
parrot: Partial update of release.json |
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dalek |
parrot: review: https://github.com/parrot/parr[…]commit/c8ec1f6073 |
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dalek |
parrot: 74ee649 | Whiteknight++ | / (2 files): |
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dalek |
parrot: update a few fields in RESPONSIBLE_PARTIES. This release is named 'At The ROFLBBQ' |
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dalek |
parrot: review: https://github.com/parrot/parr[…]commit/74ee6490e2 |
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dalek |
parrot: e21a925 | Whiteknight++ | / (6 files): |
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dalek |
parrot: update version number everywhere |
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dalek |
parrot: review: https://github.com/parrot/parr[…]commit/e21a925557 |
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dalek |
parrot: 5ed3cd5 | Whiteknight++ | docs/p (2 files): |
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dalek |
parrot: more updates |
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dalek |
parrot: review: https://github.com/parrot/parr[…]commit/5ed3cd52ea |
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dalek |
parrot: 2e22116 | Whiteknight++ | / (2 files): |
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dalek |
parrot: update version numbers in opsc output |
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dalek |
parrot: review: https://github.com/parrot/parr[…]commit/2e22116943 |
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whiteknight |
...ladies and gentlemen, I present to you Parrot "At The ROFLBBQ" |
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atrodo |
That must be some exotic species of parrot |
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plobsing |
I can nuke master now? |
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whiteknight |
plobsing: please do |
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whiteknight |
does anybody here have an SSH key for the FTP server? |
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dalek |
parrot: 3bbbbc3 | plobsing++ | / (8 files): |
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dalek |
parrot: Merge branch 'errors_globals_flag_deprecation' |
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dalek |
parrot: review: https://github.com/parrot/parr[…]commit/3bbbbc3942 |
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Kristaba |
Hi everyone |
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Kristaba |
whiteknight: What's up today? |
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whiteknight |
Kristaba: not much, how are you today? |
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cotto_work: ping |
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Kristaba |
I'm fine, thank you |
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Kristaba |
So, still problems with your laptop? |
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whiteknight |
yeah, haven't gotten it fixed yet |
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bluescreen |
Kristaba: Whiteknight is a bat and he can program by sonar |
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whiteknight |
I program by pencil and paper. Of course pushing my changes to github is a bit of a hassle |
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cotto |
whiteknight, pong |
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Kristaba |
No, it's easy to push changes to github, just send a letter to the Github Headquarters with the URL of your github repo |
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whiteknight |
cotto: I don't have SSH access to the FTP server. I need a kind soul to help upload the tarball |
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whiteknight |
as soon as that's up, I can put out the release announcements |
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cotto |
ok. Where's the tarball now? |
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whiteknight |
I have it local. I can email it to you or try to put it someplace temporary |
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cotto |
either works |
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whiteknight |
let me upload it to github real quick |
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cotto |
I need to take off for work soon, but I can also send it from there |
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whiteknight |
okay |
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whiteknight |
cotto: https://github.com/downloads/p[…]rot-2.11.0.tar.gz |
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whiteknight |
let me know when you have it so I can delete it off github |
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cotto |
whiteknight, done |
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whiteknight |
awesome, thanks |
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* cotto |
goes to work? |
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whiteknight |
does he? |
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whiteknight |
the world may never know |
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bluescreen |
he he |
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smash |
whiteknight++ # release |
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whiteknight |
thanks! |
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NotFound |
Check MANIFEST...No such file: t/op/errorson.t |
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dalek |
website: Whiteknight++ | Parrot 2.11.0 "At The ROFLBBQ" Released! |
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dalek |
website: http://www.parrot.org/news/2010/Parrot-2.11.0 |
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whiteknight |
Notfound; plobsing just merged a branch that was dealing with error flags of some sort |
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NotFound |
Ah, good ':) |
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NotFound |
Haven't seen the commit, I got distracted with my new toy, a Toshiba Folio 100 |
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whiteknight |
lucky bastard |
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NotFound |
Not available is USA yet, isn't it? |
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whiteknight |
I don't know |
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Topic for #parrot is now Parrot 2.11.0 Released | http://parrot.org | Log: irclog.perlgeek.de/parrot/today | Onward and upward with Google Code-In | Please test rakudo with bleeding edge parrot! | merge html_cleanup and embed_api2 |
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dalek |
parrot: fa4ca98 | plobsing++ | MANIFEST: |
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dalek |
parrot: mk_manifest_and_skip |
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dalek |
parrot: review: https://github.com/parrot/parr[…]commit/fa4ca98d90 |
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whiteknight |
I have the embed_api4 branch merged and tested locally. |
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whiteknight |
all I have to do is "git push" and we have a new API to play with |
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bluescreen |
cool... is there any chance to setup GCI tasks for creating unit tests |
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whiteknight |
I can create tests, yes |
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whiteknight |
we have some unit tests already |
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whiteknight |
t/src/embed/* |
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Kristaba |
Yeah, I saw the old API and this one is really better ;) |
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whiteknight |
Kristaba: thanks! |
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bluescreen |
2nd question do we have a coverage report? |
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whiteknight |
aloha: cover? |
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aloha |
whiteknight: Sorry, I don't know. |
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whiteknight |
aloha: coverage? |
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aloha |
whiteknight: coverage is http://cv.perl6.cz or http://tapir2.ro.vutbr.cz/cover/cover-results/ |
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whiteknight |
bluescreen: http://tapir2.ro.vutbr.cz/cove[…]-a70fea8/c_cover/ |
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whiteknight |
we don't have coverage for the embed_api stuff yet |
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whiteknight |
if I merge, we will start getting automated reports for it |
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bluescreen |
this is awesome |
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cotto_work |
http://www.artima.com/lejava/a[…]pauseless_gc.html |
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whiteknight |
I think I would really like to deprecate src/extend_vtable.c |
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whiteknight |
we would cut out a few dozen exported symbols from libparrot |
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whiteknight |
The reality is that all our extenders use the VTABLE_ macros, not these functions |
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whiteknight |
And embedders shouldn't use them, they should use the new API |
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cotto_work |
whiteknight: which file? src/extend_vtable.c doesn't exist. |
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atrodo |
cotto_work> That's an interesting |
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atrodo |
gc |
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NotFound |
whiteknight: letting embedders use vtable functions conflicts with the goal of isolate them from parrot exceptions |
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cotto_work |
ah. It's generated. |
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whiteknight |
NotFound: not embedders. Embedders use the API only |
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whiteknight |
extenders are different. They are inside Parrot and are going to have a different level of isolations |
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Coke |
... did I sleep through the release? |
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whiteknight |
Coke: yessir |
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Coke |
woot, I suppose. |
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NotFound |
whiteknight: not if we deprecate part of it |
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NotFound: We don't have an extending API yet, not really |
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whiteknight |
and nobody is using src/extend_vtable.c |
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NotFound |
whiteknight: nobody is using it because they call the vtables directly, but embedders shouldn't do that, and most probably need the functionality. |
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NotFound |
Unless we provide a way to call them as methods, or something like that. |
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NotFound: Right, embedding is different |
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whiteknight |
we aren't talking about embedding |
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whiteknight |
Embedders use the API, not extend_vtable.c |
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NotFound |
whiteknight: yeah, but there is no point in deprecating a bunch of functions and then creating identical ones. |
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NotFound |
Even if we change the #include |
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whiteknight |
why would we create a bunch of identical ones? Embedders won't have this level of access to individual VTABLEs |
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whiteknight |
embedders won't know about VTABLEs at all |
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whiteknight |
Embedders get PMCs, a handful of operations on them, and the ability to call methods |
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whiteknight |
they don't need ~150 VTABLEs to play with |
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NotFound |
That's is the question, we shoud know if we provide enough functionality for embedders before deciding about that. |
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whiteknight |
NotFound: We can talk about it, but so far I have considered VTABLEs to be an implementation detail. |
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whiteknight |
The API can provide operations without having to expose the VTABLEs to the user |
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whiteknight |
One day if we unify VTABLEs and METHODs, so long as we have an API to invoke a method the embedder gets all the VTABLEs for free |
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NotFound |
whiteknight: I just want to try to avoid embedders falling to use any header and any function they need, like happened before. |
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NotFound: The difference now is that we have an API. If they use something that isn't in the API we don't have to give a deprecation notice |
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NotFound |
whiteknight: I'd like to care about reality, not only about policy. |
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whiteknight |
Notfound: true, but policy is important too |
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whiteknight |
If you want to use Parrot, you must use the official API |
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whiteknight |
if you use anything else, sorry, but we won't help you or save you from your own mistakes |
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whiteknight |
If you need something that isn't in the API, ask and we will provide it |
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NotFound |
Let's hope they do. |
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Coke |
whiteknight: as someone who has been forced to use "whatever was available" because the API was half baked, you might want to tone that down just a smidge. |
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whiteknight |
Coke: The important part of this discussion is "if you need somethign that isn't in the API, ask and we will provide it" |
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whiteknight |
I'm not going to treat the new API as if it were half-baked because the old one was |
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whiteknight |
My intention with the new API is to be much more proactive and accommodating. |
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whiteknight |
The old "API" was really a farce. It didn't represent a complete list of things that users wanted, and was used internally as often as externally. We could have not called it an API and had the same result |
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Coke |
I can only hope the official docs reflect that. |
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whiteknight |
Coke: I do understand where you are coming from, but the "things always will be bad because they have been in the past" attitude is not one that I am going to follow |
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NotFound |
We need to document, then, that a big difference between extend and embed groups of functions is that the extend ones should deal with exceptions |
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whiteknight |
the new API is not the old API, and I'm not going to lump all the old problems and mindsets onto it |
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Coke |
whiteknight: I am not sure we're having the same conversation here. |
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NotFound: There always has been some differentiation, but you're right that we need new documentation about it |
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NotFound |
whiteknight: not at all. It was suggested several times that the distinction between embed and extend was an artifact and should be removed. |
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NotFound: I've never seen that suggestion. Either way, I certainly don't agree with it |
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whiteknight |
there are very big differences between the two |
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NotFound |
whiteknight: the point is that we must clearly document what is the current direction we'll take. |
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whiteknight |
NotFound: noted |
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6 |
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whiteknight |
6? |
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moritz |
sorry, hanging irssi screen |
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cotto_work |
jnthn: ping |
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cotto_work |
#ps in 5 |
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kid51 |
#ps starting now |
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parrot/embed_api4: 03f1310 | Whiteknight++ | docs/pdds/draft/pdd10_embedding.pod: |
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dalek |
parrot/embed_api4: start re-drafting PDD10 for the new API |
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dalek |
parrot/embed_api4: review: https://github.com/parrot/parr[…]commit/03f1310a3f |
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cotto_work |
make quickcover doesn't work on my work machine. |
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whiteknight |
cotto_work: does "make cover" work there? |
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cotto_work |
checking |
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Kapace_ |
Hows this looking for make cover docs: https://gist.github.com/750697 |
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cotto_work |
msg kid51 The cover and quickcover targets don't properly fail when Devel::Cover isn't installed. Configure.pl seems to detect the lack of gcov2perl just fine. |
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aloha |
OK. I'll deliver the message. |
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mikehh |
Kapace_: you might wat to specify that it requires Devel::Cover and you can load this using apt_get on debian/Ubuntu or with cpan/cpanp etc |
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mikehh |
want |
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mikehh: yeah thats that libdevel-perl-cover package |
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mikehh |
Kapace_: yeah I know that, but you might mention Devel::Cover in the requirements |
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Kapace_ |
ah, ok |
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mikehh |
Once upon a time, we used to have a list of requirements for parrot (which did not mention Devel::Cover or some of the stuff required bu smoke/smolder) I think it is in one of the appendicies docs/book/draft |
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mikehh |
always meant to do something about that, maybe Real Soon Now (© Jerry Pournelle) |
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Kapace_ |
do I use L<> or F<> to make a link to another file? |
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sorear |
L |
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mikehh |
L is for Links, F just displays filenames |
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Kapace_ |
projects/roles_responsibilities.pod has F<>'s and I see them as links.. |
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mikehh |
Kapace_: actually haven't tried, perldoc pod |
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Kapace_ |
ok |
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Kapace_: note that the see also at the end uses F<> which does not link |
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Kapace_ |
maybe its "F<>: if file exists link, else italics" |
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mikehh |
will seriously look at that in html_cleanup branch |
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mikehh |
because if I try and link it seems to fail |
