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| 00:01 |
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whiteknight |
no |
| 00:02 |
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whiteknight |
I mean, we could make it work |
| 00:02 |
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sorear |
the GC really ought to exist partly as macros |
| 00:02 |
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whiteknight |
requires some infrastructure additions |
| 00:03 |
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Hackbinary |
do people use perldoc to view the documentation? |
| 00:03 |
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arnsholt |
Yeah, I do that occasionally |
| 00:04 |
|
lucian |
i see |
| 00:04 |
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Hackbinary |
do you use the linking between the documents? |
| 00:05 |
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arnsholt |
You can do that with perldoc? =) |
| 00:06 |
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* lucian |
is probably procrastinating too much about C |
| 00:07 |
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Hackbinary |
is there away to only make something appear in perldoc rendering but not others? |
| 00:08 |
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dukeleto |
Hackbinary: define "others" |
| 00:08 |
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Hackbinary |
like html |
| 00:09 |
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Hackbinary |
what I'm trying to get to work properly is interlinking between the pod documents, and I can make an HTML only section, but if people are using perldoc, then it won't show up |
| 00:09 |
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Hackbinary |
maybe text? |
| 00:13 |
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| 00:29 |
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dalek |
parrot: 8128f59 | mikehh++ | MANIFEST: |
| 00:29 |
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dalek |
parrot: re-generate MANIFEST |
| 00:29 |
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dalek |
parrot: review: https://github.com/parrot/parr[…]commit/8128f59f7e |
| 00:29 |
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dalek |
parrot: c325eed | mikehh++ | tools/dev/merge_pull_request.pl: |
| 00:29 |
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dalek |
parrot: fix codetest failure - cuddled else |
| 00:29 |
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dalek |
parrot: review: https://github.com/parrot/parr[…]commit/c325eed4e1 |
| 00:29 |
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dalek |
parrot: b33f25e | mikehh++ | tools/dev/merge_pull_request.pl: |
| 00:29 |
|
dalek |
parrot: fix perlcritic failure - add perl coda |
| 00:29 |
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dalek |
parrot: review: https://github.com/parrot/parr[…]commit/b33f25e592 |
| 00:35 |
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| 00:37 |
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dalek |
parrot: 8ae0270 | cotto++ | docs/project/support_policy.pod: |
| 00:37 |
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dalek |
parrot: clarify that Parrot changes which require code to be added to HLLs also consititude a breaking change |
| 00:37 |
|
dalek |
parrot: review: https://github.com/parrot/parr[…]commit/8ae027006b |
| 01:06 |
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dukeleto |
Hackbinary: i am not sure what the best solution is |
| 01:09 |
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Tene |
arnsholt: PAST's error handlers are certainly not optimal; I've had several ideas about improving them. |
| 01:13 |
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| 01:14 |
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arnsholt |
My own semi-fluency in PIR and PAST doesn't help either =) |
| 01:14 |
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Tene |
arnsholt: what are you working on? |
| 01:15 |
|
arnsholt |
Error handling in Parrotlog |
| 01:15 |
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Tene |
Nice. |
| 01:15 |
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arnsholt |
Somewhat unfortunately, the error recovery process is actually by far the most complicated bit =) |
| 01:16 |
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arnsholt |
But I think the refactor (or perhaps reimplementation, more properly) will reduce the size of the code. Another happy side effect should be that it's actually correct, as well =) |
| 01:19 |
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| 01:20 |
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cotto |
correctness schmorecctness |
| 01:22 |
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cotto |
seen bacek |
| 01:22 |
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clunker3_ |
bacek was last seen on #parrot 10 hours, 47 minutes and 24 seconds ago, saying: night humans |
| 01:22 |
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aloha |
bacek was last seen in #perl6 9 hours 59 mins ago joining the channel. |
| 01:22 |
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cotto |
seen bacek |
| 01:22 |
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clunker3_ |
bacek was last seen on #parrot 10 hours, 48 minutes and 17 seconds ago, saying: night humans |
| 01:22 |
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aloha |
bacek was last seen in #perl6 10 hours ago joining the channel. |
| 01:24 |
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* dukeleto |
updates wiki pages that talk about DEPRECATED.pod |
| 01:25 |
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arnsholt |
Whee. Looks like it's done for now. Better, and now it's only 19% of the source as opposed to 25% before |
| 01:29 |
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arnsholt |
Ah, bollocks. Still bugged |
| 01:30 |
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arnsholt |
A stack of exception handlers and time traveling continuations makes bookkeeping a tad tricky |
| 01:31 |
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dalek |
tracwiki: v30 | dukeleto++ | ParrotDeprecations |
| 01:31 |
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dalek |
tracwiki: http://trac.parrot.org/parrot/[…]on=30&action=diff |
| 01:31 |
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dalek |
tracwiki: v186 | dukeleto++ | WikiStart |
| 01:31 |
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dalek |
tracwiki: http://trac.parrot.org/parrot/[…]n=186&action=diff |
| 01:31 |
|
dalek |
tracwiki: v187 | dukeleto++ | WikiStart |
| 01:31 |
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dalek |
tracwiki: http://trac.parrot.org/parrot/[…]n=187&action=diff |
| 01:31 |
|
dalek |
tracwiki: v188 | dukeleto++ | WikiStart |
| 01:31 |
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dalek |
tracwiki: http://trac.parrot.org/parrot/[…]n=188&action=diff |
| 01:31 |
|
dalek |
tracwiki: v8 | dukeleto++ | HowToDeprecate |
| 01:31 |
|
dalek |
tracwiki: http://trac.parrot.org/parrot/[…]ion=8&action=diff |
| 01:31 |
|
dalek |
TT #1751 closed by dukeleto++: Links to DEPRECATED.pod et al |
| 01:31 |
|
dalek |
TT #1751 : http://trac.parrot.org/parrot/ticket/1751 |
| 01:34 |
|
Hackbinary |
hi dukeleto, I have updated the PDD and run core sections with relative links that work for make html, a full url for github) |
| 01:34 |
|
Hackbinary |
https://github.com/hackbinary/[…]docs/glossary.pod |
| 01:34 |
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arnsholt |
Oh, I know! |
| 01:34 |
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Hackbinary |
dukeleto, could you check to make sure you're happy with it, then I'll put through a pull request |
| 01:34 |
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arnsholt |
This requires pondering. |
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| 01:59 |
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mikehh |
oops forgot to report: |
| 01:59 |
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mikehh |
All tests PASS (pre/post-config, make corevm/make coretest, smoke (#9141) fulltest) at 3_0_0-918-g8ae0270 - Ubuntu 10.10 i386 (g++-4.5) |
| 02:05 |
|
bacek |
~~ |
| 02:06 |
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mikehh |
hi bacek |
| 02:06 |
|
bacek |
aloha, mikehh |
| 02:07 |
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mikehh |
bacek: the powers that be decided it was too early to merge generational_gc branch, and dukeleto reverted the merge |
| 02:08 |
|
bacek |
that's fine. |
| 02:08 |
|
bacek |
We can merge it back |
| 02:08 |
|
bacek |
after 3.3 |
| 02:08 |
|
bacek |
According to deprecation policy. |
| 02:08 |
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mikehh |
bacek: it needs a deprecation notice apparently |
| 02:09 |
|
mikehh |
bacek: I recon we need to merge it after 3.1 |
| 02:09 |
|
bacek |
mikehh, no. "Policy" now is pretty clear about it. 3.3 is earliest version. |
| 02:10 |
|
mikehh |
bacek: bah I want it now, we need to discuss this in #ps |
| 02:11 |
|
kid51 |
bacek: The good news is ... Parrot once again builds on Darwin/PPC with commit 77b57cc |
| 02:11 |
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bacek |
mikehh, yes, fine. I will probably miss next #ps. Got my riding test. |
| 02:11 |
|
bacek |
kid51, 77b57cc is what I mentioned in ticket? |
| 02:11 |
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bacek |
kid51, or it's current master? |
| 02:13 |
|
kid51 |
77b57cc is what you mentioned here: http://trac.parrot.org/parrot/[…]et/2005#comment:2 |
| 02:14 |
|
kid51 |
(It also passes at current master HEAD, but of course that represents "pre-generational_gc" code. |
| 02:15 |
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bacek |
kid51, than it's good news. |
| 02:15 |
|
cotto |
bacek, the current thinking is that it's worth making an exception to the deprecation policy |
| 02:15 |
|
bacek |
cotto, I don't think so. There is no point to have deprecation policy with exceptions. |
| 02:16 |
|
whiteknight |
blah |
| 02:16 |
|
whiteknight |
our current deprecation policy is broken |
| 02:17 |
|
mikehh |
whiteknight: I totally agree with that |
| 02:17 |
|
dukeleto |
Hackbinary: looking now |
| 02:17 |
|
cotto |
we have commit bits. How do we fix it? |
| 02:17 |
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kid51 |
bacek: OTOH, it seems very slow; I started 'make' at 8:38 PM here; we're only halfway thru make test |
| 02:17 |
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whiteknight |
our users have been complaining about poor GC performance for years now, and we're saying that we have a solution but we can't deliver it out of respect for our users? |
| 02:17 |
|
whiteknight |
broken and stupid |
| 02:18 |
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bacek |
kid51, is it unoptimized build? Than it's doing a _lot_ of internal checks in GC. |
| 02:19 |
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dukeleto |
Hackbinary: you have broken links, such as https://github.com/hackbinary/[…]dd00_pdd.pod.html |
| 02:19 |
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dukeleto |
We need some good benchmark data for the new GC. |
| 02:19 |
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dukeleto |
Who wants to make it happen? |
| 02:20 |
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kid51 |
bacek: Yes, this run is without --optimize |
| 02:20 |
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dukeleto |
the md5 benchmark is a good start, but we need more |
| 02:20 |
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bacek |
dukeleto, my benchmarks was "real life programs from our 'main customer'". |
| 02:20 |
|
bacek |
which is 25-40% faster with GenGC. |
| 02:20 |
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dukeleto |
bacek: you mean building rakudo ? |
| 02:20 |
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bacek |
All synthetic benchmarks was slower. |
| 02:20 |
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dukeleto |
bacek: yes, but that is a big macrobenchmark that is averaging stuff together |
| 02:21 |
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bacek |
dukeleto, "ops2c --core", "buiding rakudo" and "make specest" |
| 02:21 |
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dukeleto |
bacek: we have uneven performance effects here. We need to know which things get faster and which get slower and whether it is worth it |
| 02:21 |
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bacek |
dukeleto, lets use GC IMS. It's fastest implementation evar. |
| 02:21 |
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Hackbinary |
dukeleto, the html links won't work on github, because github is converting the pod files on-the-fly |
| 02:22 |
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Hackbinary |
so those will never work, thus the need for the separate 'github' links |
| 02:22 |
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dukeleto |
Hackbinary: email parrot-dev and see what people say |
| 02:22 |
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Hackbinary |
ok |
| 02:22 |
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Hackbinary |
will do so in the morning, it's 230 am here |
| 02:22 |
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Hackbinary |
=) |
| 02:23 |
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mikehh |
yeah I just noticed |
| 02:23 |
|
Hackbinary |
:S |
| 02:25 |
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dukeleto |
bacek: i think we need some nqp-based benchmarks |
| 02:25 |
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bacek |
dukeleto, "ops2c --core" is nqp-based benchmark |
| 02:25 |
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dukeleto |
bacek: touche |
| 02:25 |
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bacek |
40% improvements |
| 02:26 |
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mikehh |
but I have to do some work on a server in Southern California and can only really get access after 6pm there, for the resty of the weekend :-} |
| 02:26 |
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dukeleto |
bacek: does it have long-lived intergenerational PMCs? |
| 02:29 |
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mikehh |
bacek: BTW what is your "riding test" |
| 02:29 |
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kid51 |
t/compilers/opsc/02-parse-all-ops.t took 11 minutes to run |
| 02:30 |
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bacek |
dukeleto, a lot of them. |
| 02:31 |
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mikehh |
kid51: yup it seems to be the last test to finish for me in make test TEST_JOBS=4 |
| 02:31 |
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bacek |
kid51, don't test performance on non-optimized builds. They a _really_ slow. |
| 02:32 |
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kid51 |
bacek: This may actually be an optimized build. But I won't be able to double-check until that terminal is free! |
| 02:32 |
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bacek |
kid51, :) |
| 02:33 |
|
kid51 |
In any event, on this small-resource box, the build speed difference between '' and ''--optimize'' never leapt out at me. |
| 02:33 |
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cotto |
kid51, you can always look at what CONFIG_ARGS is set to in your Makefile |
| 02:33 |
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kid51 |
cotto: D'oh. Who was the guy added that to the Makefile? Me. |
| 02:34 |
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dukeleto |
running benchmarks on a desktop machine with lots of other programs running is also a bad idea |
| 02:34 |
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dukeleto |
you need to run benchmarks at least 10x each and preferrably on a multi-CPU machine that is idle |
| 02:35 |
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kid51 |
Alright, so this is a non-optimized build. However, in master I usually expect make and make test to take on the order of 20-25 minutes. |
| 02:35 |
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dukeleto |
Tool::Bench can do the hard work: https://github.com/notbenh/tool_bench |
| 02:35 |
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cotto |
kid51, lawl |
| 02:35 |
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kid51 |
I'm now at 57 minutes and only just now got past t/compilers/opsc/06-opsfile.t |
| 02:36 |
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kid51 |
OTOH, I know that in master, I've been getting a test failure in t/op/number.t on the --optimize build on this box |
| 02:37 |
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kid51 |
This is akin to the big slowdown we had around mid-October of last year, when I was told, "It has to get worse before it gets better." |
| 02:38 |
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* lucian_ |
is starting to like cyclone |
| 02:38 |
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kid51 |
Well, I'm not really trying to run benchmarks. |
| 02:39 |
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cotto |
I didn't like that game. kid51, thanks for making it known that the branch is slow on your box. |
| 02:39 |
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kid51 |
I'm trying to run make and make test in exactly the same way I've been doing since December 2006. |
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kid51 |
dukeleto++ for closing TT #1751 |
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dukeleto |
de nada |
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arnsholt |
Damn. I'm not allowed to dynamically set the lexical context of a Sub. That's just mean :p |
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| 03:08 |
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dalek |
TT #2004 reopened by doughera++: Where did Configure.pl option '--cxx' go to? |
| 03:08 |
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dalek |
TT #2004 : http://trac.parrot.org/parrot/ticket/2004 |
| 03:11 |
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arnsholt |
Tene: I think there's no sane fix for my problem without a patch to PCT to stop pasttype<try> from putting in pop_eh instructions. Could review/commit that? |
| 03:22 |
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Tene |
arnsholt: Only if you also include a fix for all other pct users... |
| 03:23 |
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Tene |
arnsholt: you could could make a different pasttype, or stuff some metadata in the try node |
| 03:24 |
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Tene |
arnsholt: within those constraints, you should have pmichaud review your proposal/patch |
| 03:28 |
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arnsholt |
My idea was a flag, like :isdecl for PAST::Var, that suppressed all pop_eh instructions |
| 03:29 |
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arnsholt |
Not very sophisticated, but lets the user do whatever he wants with the exception handlers |
| 03:30 |
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Tene |
hmm... |
| 03:30 |
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Tene |
I'll review a patch for you, sure |
| 03:31 |
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arnsholt |
Thanks! |
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Tene |
posting it anywhere? |
| 03:44 |
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arnsholt |
Haven't thought that far yet. Gotta make sure the code works first =) |
| 03:45 |
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arnsholt |
But I guess git-format-patch and post to Trac? Or I could make a fork on GitHub and send pull request if that's better |
| 03:49 |
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dukeleto |
~~ |
| 03:50 |
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Tene |
arnsholt: ah; ping me on irc or email me or whatever when you get it together. |
| 03:51 |
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Tene |
I think I'm done for the evening. |
| 03:51 |
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mikehh |
All tests PASS (pre/post-config, make corevm/make coretest, smoke (#9156) fulltest) at 3_0_0-918-g8ae0270 - Ubuntu 10.10 i386 (g++-4.5 with --optimize) |
| 03:51 |
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Tene |
arnsholt: however you like. :) |
| 03:53 |
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* dukeleto |
just created a smolder project for Cardinal |
| 03:53 |
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dalek |
cardinal: 0fb55be | dukeleto++ | / (2 files): |
| 03:53 |
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dalek |
cardinal: Submit smoke reports to smolder.parrot.org |
| 03:53 |
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dalek |
cardinal: review: https://github.com/parrot/card[…]commit/0fb55be1ac |
| 03:53 |
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dukeleto |
and now it should submit reports to the right place |
| 03:53 |
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dukeleto |
Tene: ^^^ |
| 03:53 |
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Hackbinary |
cool |
| 03:53 |
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Tene |
dukeleto: Thanks! |
| 03:55 |
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arnsholt |
Right. My minimal NQP test script gives the right results at least. Which testsuites should I run to make sure I didn't break something completely different? |
| 03:55 |
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Tene |
arnsholt: rakudo, at least. |
| 03:56 |
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Hackbinary |
I don't have access to edit trac, but could someone update http://trac.parrot.org/parrot/wiki/Languages with updated smoke reports url? |
| 03:56 |
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dalek |
TT #2004 closed by doughera++: Where did Configure.pl option '--cxx' go to? |
| 03:56 |
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dalek |
TT #2004 : http://trac.parrot.org/parrot/ticket/2004 |
| 03:56 |
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dukeleto |
Hackbinary: what is your trac username ? |
| 03:57 |
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Hackbinary |
hackbinary ;) |
| 03:57 |
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dukeleto |
Hackbinary: ok, i will give you wiki edit perms. We had to lock it down due to spam. |
| 03:57 |
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Hackbinary |
yeah, I believe it ... damn spiced-hammers ;) |
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cotto |
Thanks for bearing with the inconvenience. |
| 04:03 |
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Hackbinary |
who me? no bothe |
| 04:03 |
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Hackbinary |
r |
| 04:04 |
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Hackbinary |
right ... I gotta crash .... it's way later than I meant it to be |
| 04:04 |
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Hackbinary |
talk to you tomorrow |
| 04:05 |
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dukeleto |
cotto: i can't seem to give hackbinary WIKI_EDIT in trac |
| 04:05 |
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dukeleto |
cotto: can you figure it out? |
| 04:05 |
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dukeleto |
cotto: i hate dealing with permissions on trac |
| 04:06 |
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dukeleto |
cotto: i don't have the ability to give anybody any WIKI_* perms anymore, it seems |
| 04:07 |
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cotto |
dukeleto, sure |
| 04:09 |
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cotto |
msg Hackbinary You should have a shiny new edit bit on the wiki. Don't use it to spam unless you really feel like it. |
| 04:09 |
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aloha |
OK. I'll deliver the message. |
| 04:11 |
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cotto |
dukeleto, do you want a trac admin bit? |
| 04:11 |
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dukeleto |
cotto: i used to have one |
| 04:11 |
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dukeleto |
cotto: i don't know what happen to it |
| 04:11 |
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dukeleto |
cotto: sure, i guess |
| 04:11 |
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cotto |
you seem to have one now |
| 04:12 |
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dukeleto |
cotto+_ |
| 04:12 |
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* dukeleto |
facepalms |
| 04:12 |
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plobsing |
cotto+* |
| 04:12 |
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dukeleto |
i am submitting a failing smoke report for cardinal nowishly |
| 04:12 |
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cotto |
plobsing, whatever |
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mikehh |
rakudo (d267ba8) - builds on parrot (3_0_0-918-g8ae0270) - make test, make spectest_smolder[(#9181), roast (b3ef08d)] PASS - Ubuntu 10.10 i386 (g++-4.5 with --optimize) |
| 04:47 |
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mikehh |
27,634 ok, 0 failed, 610 todo, 1,847 skipped and 0 unexpectedly succeeded |
| 05:08 |
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Tene |
dukeleto: I get a 404 when running rake smolder |
| 05:08 |
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Tene |
for http://smolder.parrot.org/app/[…]ess_add_report/10 |
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cotto |
dukeleto, ping |
| 05:22 |
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cotto |
github++ |
| 05:36 |
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mikehh |
docs/project/committer_guide needs updating |
| 05:37 |
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cotto |
yes it does |
| 05:37 |
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cotto |
It'll be a joy to delete much of that. |
| 05:44 |
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cotto |
mikehh, done |
| 05:44 |
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dalek |
parrot: 6d69dec | cotto++ | docs/project/committer_guide.pod: |
| 05:44 |
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dalek |
parrot: delete and update some obsolete svn workflow docs |
| 05:44 |
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dalek |
parrot: review: https://github.com/parrot/parr[…]commit/6d69dece76 |
| 05:44 |
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cotto |
mikehh++ |
| 05:45 |
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cotto |
there are still a depressing number of references to svn in the codebase |
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mikehh |
cotto: trying to add the rest of docs/project to make html (just checkin' the results) [local branch atm] |
| 05:55 |
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cotto |
good idea |
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we need to see what other docs need to be added |
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Tene: Got a couple of Rakudo spectest failures with my patch. Rerunning it now without the patch to make sure they don't go away |
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Tene: TT #2008 |
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dalek |
TT #2008 created by arnsholt++: [PCT] Patch/feature request: No pop_eh in try PAST::Op |
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dalek |
TT #2008 : http://trac.parrot.org/parrot/ticket/2008 |
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arnsholt: I'll read it eventually, but I recommend you also contact pmichaud to ask for comments on this design. |
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+1. pmichaud wrote that code and knows it best. Unfortunately he's on vacation for the next 5 (iirc) days, so it'll be a while before he'll get back to you. |
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Tene |
Ahh. |
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I'll review it for sanity tomorrow, then, so i can at least give early feedback. |
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Tene: broken URL modified and I want to send my patch |
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Tene: sry. it is about Cardinal rake smolder task. |
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Tene: I sent a patch to parrot-dev and check it when you have blank time. |
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https://gist.github.com/823767 -- could someone git-strong give me a hand? |
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tadzik: git checkout -b gen_gc2 origin/gen_gc2 |
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plobsing |
I think that's what you want |
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winxed: r805 | NotFound++ | trunk/winxedst (2 files): |
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winxed: new predefs getstdin, getstdout and getstderr |
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dalek |
winxed: review: http://code.google.com/p/winxe[…]urce/detail?r=805 |
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winxed: r806 | NotFound++ | trunk/winxedst (2 files): |
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winxed: fix mistakes from r805 |
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winxed: review: http://code.google.com/p/winxe[…]urce/detail?r=806 |
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plobsing: thanks, that was it |
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slavorg: awesome name |
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tracwiki: v149 | hackbinary++ | Languages |
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tracwiki: Updated cardinal smoke reports link |
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tracwiki: http://trac.parrot.org/parrot/[…]n=149&action=diff |
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nqp: c8ce669 | jnthn++ | src/pmc/nqpmultisig.pmc: |
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nqp: Fix a mark bug that saw some people get segfaults in multi-method dispatch situations. |
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nqp: review: https://github.com/perl6/nqp/commit/c8ce669583 |
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nqp: 5ed3fad | jnthn++ | src/metamodel/reprs/P6str.c: |
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nqp: Fix an issue in the P6str repr spotted by sorear++. |
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nqp: review: https://github.com/perl6/nqp/commit/5ed3fad3b7 |
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Coke |
folks may be happy to know that the segfaults I was seeing appear to be gone in master. |
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cotto |
I'm happy. |
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parrot: 6742527 | mikehh++ | docs/index/developer.json: |
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dalek |
parrot: add remaining docs/project pod files to new section in developer docs |
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parrot: review: https://github.com/parrot/parr[…]commit/674252746a |
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parrot: 9dd88ad | mikehh++ | docs/project/core_inclusion.pod: |
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parrot: fix doc so title is correct |
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parrot: review: https://github.com/parrot/parr[…]commit/9dd88ada5d |
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parrot: dc55b45 | mikehh++ | docs/project/committer_guide.pod: |
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dalek |
parrot: merge in latest master |
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parrot: review: https://github.com/parrot/parr[…]commit/dc55b45d9e |
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parrot: 63da9c3 | mikehh++ | docs/project/committer_guide.pod: |
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parrot: change a couple of remaining refs to svn to git |
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parrot: review: https://github.com/parrot/parr[…]commit/63da9c3098 |
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parrot: d76e2cc | mikehh++ | docs/project/release_manager_guide.pod: |
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dalek |
parrot: Change first heading so title is Release Manager Guide |
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parrot: review: https://github.com/parrot/parr[…]commit/d76e2cc1d2 |
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kid51 |
mikehh: Have you been able to take another look at the 'make html' problem? http://trac.parrot.org/parrot/ticket/1954 |
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kid51: a look yes, need to spend some time on it after the release |
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kid51 |
Okay. It's non-urgent. |
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mikehh |
kid51: it is also tied up with my failed attempts on html_cleanup_2 (every time I tried to remove something, got failures - got to sort out dependencies) |
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kid51 |
Hmm. I wasn't aware of that branch (or perhaps I've got too much gen_gc on my mind). What is its objective? |
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mikehh |
cotto: I never got proper access to SSH into ftp-osl.osuosl.org, I have changed my keys since then as well |
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kid51: it was local, I never pushed it upstream as I never got it to work properly |
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mikehh |
kid51: the objective was to remove all the stuff from the old make html especially lib/Parrot/Docs/Section/*.pm etc |
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kid51 |
Aha, I remember you mentioning that. |
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cotto |
mikehh, let's fix that now. |
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kid51 |
cotto: provided 'now' means 'after our release' |
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cotto |
? |
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mikehh |
how can I get the ./ssh/id_s |
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mikehh |
dsa_pub key to you |
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kid51 |
cotto: When you get a chance, can you take a glance at http://trac.parrot.org/parrot/ticket/540? |
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cotto |
mikehh, nopasting is fine. The only thing it lets someone do is give you access to their machine. |
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cotto |
kid51, deal |
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kid51 |
Issue of long-standing, non-urgent, but two key developers w/different opinions |
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cotto |
That's a long ticket there. |
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kid51 |
long as well as long-standing, then |
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* cotto |
grabs a shovel and digs in |
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cotto |
mikehh, as long as the file has "pub" in the name, putting it on the internets is fine. |
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cotto |
anyway, I'm ready whenever you are. |
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nopaste |
"mikehh" at 192.168.1.3 pasted "~/.ssh/id_dsa_pub" (1 line) at http://nopaste.snit.ch/31480 |
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mikehh |
cotto: one of the problems I have is that I have separate partitions for various versions of Ubuntu/Kubuntu with different desktop id's |
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cotto |
mikehh, is mhb-desktop your old machine? |
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cotto |
mikehh, you can copy the same public/private key between them or add different keys for the same machine. |
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mikehh |
cotto: yeah I think it was Ubuntu 9.10 amd64, |
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cotto |
ok. I'll delete that one. |
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cotto |
mikehh, you should be able to log in to that machine now |
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mikehh |
cotto: what would I use for login? |
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cotto |
use the username parrot |
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mikehh |
cotto: |
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mikehh |
bah hitting the wrong key again, enter instead of backspace |
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cotto |
I wonder if a ccache equivalent for parrot would make a viable gsoc project. |
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kid51 |
"viable" should include "completable in the GSOC timeframe" (IMO) |
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cotto |
of couse |
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cotto |
that does get into the problem of cache invalidation, so I suspect it's a bit deeper than one might expect |
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cotto |
mikehh, can you get to the ftp site? |
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mikehh |
cotto: seems to work for now :-} |
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cotto |
excellent |
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cotto |
do you have access to the vm to update docs.parrot.org? |
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mikehh |
cotto: I can log in to https://www.parrot.org as Mikehh but I don't have admin access |
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mikehh |
cotto: mikehh but it displays Mikehh |
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nopaste |
"kid51" at 192.168.1.3 pasted "t/compilers/imcc/syn/errors.t: Make test pass make warnings_tests: Okay to commit?" (13 lines) at http://nopaste.snit.ch/31481 |
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cotto |
ok |
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cotto |
@mikehh |
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cotto |
mikehh, I don't have an admin bit on parrot.org |
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cotto |
I think the capitalization is just drupal being wacky. |
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cotto |
dukeleto, ping |
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dukeleto |
cotto: pong |
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cotto |
dukeleto, I'd appreciate your thoughts on https://gist.github.com/88eb00a0c2296eeb48e2 , my idea on how to build and refine the M0 spec as a team. |
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kid51 |
text wrap is a desirable thing |
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cotto |
yeah |
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cotto |
let me fix that |
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cotto |
done |
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kid51 |
new PDD++ |
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cotto |
it's in the m0-spec branch |
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kid51 |
thinking about how a team will function++ |
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kid51 |
mikehh: One small patch to a test for your pre-release consideration: http://trac.parrot.org/parrot/[…]c_syn_errors.diff |
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cotto |
I'd be further ahead at this point if I just did it myself, but hopefully an effective way of getting more brains involved will result in a better final spec. |
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kid51 |
cotto: Are you using gist in preference to your own blog? Perhaps something on your blog about this so that planet.parrotcode.org will pick it up. |
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dukeleto |
cotto: i likes it |
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cotto |
kid51, I'm using it to draft an email that I can also easily share with others before sending it out. |
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dukeleto |
cotto: if you could add that we are looking for ideas that are implementable in our first prototype, and not so much "pie in the sky" ideas, that would be useful, i think |
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dukeleto |
cotto: i want to put in peoples minds that open-ended opinion-discussing is not as useful as "let's try this for our first prototype" |
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kid51 |
dukeleto++ We have to dispel the feeling that Lorito is vaporware |
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dukeleto |
cotto: and make sure people know which features we know will not be part of the first prototype |
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dukeleto |
kid51: yes, exactly |
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kid51 |
afk |
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cotto |
dukeleto, good suggestions |
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dukeleto |
cotto: i want volunteers that want to help make the 1st prototype happen, not those that want to soak up lots of time debating about the color of the bikeshed |
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cotto |
dukeleto, I consider it an important part of my job to say "The bikeshed will be green. Next topic." |
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cotto |
dukeleto, I'm going to be making a conscious effort to avoid or short-circuit those kinds of questions. |
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cotto |
updated |
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dukeleto |
cotto: awesome |
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mikehh |
kid51: testing it now |
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cotto |
I'll sit on it an hour, re-read and send it out then. |
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dalek |
parrot: b058323 | mikehh++ | t/compilers/imcc/syn/errors.t: |
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dalek |
parrot: incorporate a patch suggested by kid51++ |
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dalek |
parrot: review: https://github.com/parrot/parr[…]commit/b058323ac0 |
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dalek |
parrot: d9d7674 | dukeleto++ | docs/project/metacommitter_guide.pod: |
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dalek |
parrot: [doc] Update the metacommitter guide for a Git New World |
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dalek |
parrot: review: https://github.com/parrot/parr[…]commit/d9d767421f |
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dalek |
parrot: 8c179b3 | dukeleto++ | lib/Parrot/Distribution.pm: |
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dalek |
parrot: [cage] Remove dead code from Parrot::Distribution |
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dalek |
parrot: review: https://github.com/parrot/parr[…]commit/8c179b3b32 |
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dalek |
parrot: 3b6bed1 | dukeleto++ | lib/Parrot/Harness/Smoke.pm: |
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dalek |
parrot: [docs] Clean up Parrot::Harness::Smoke docs and s/svn/git/ |
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dalek |
parrot: review: https://github.com/parrot/parr[…]commit/3b6bed1ec4 |
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dukeleto |
cotto: that is about as much s/svn/git/ cleaning as I am up for doing |
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dukeleto |
cotto: it looks like we have lots of dead perl code relating to svn |
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cotto |
I saw a bit last night but got distracted. |
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cotto |
dukeleto, I think it's what you nuked just now. |
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dukeleto |
cotto: nope, there is more |
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dukeleto |
cotto: i just made a TT |
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* dukeleto |
just learned about "git branch --no-merged" |
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dukeleto |
which will list local branches that are not reachable from HEAD |
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dukeleto |
so it shows unmerged branches |
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dukeleto |
pretty useful |
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dalek |
TT #2009 created by dukeleto++: Remove dead svn-related code from Perl modules |
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dalek |
TT #2009 : http://trac.parrot.org/parrot/ticket/2009 |
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cotto |
We also need a ticket for the write barrier |
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cotto |
I'm not sure why I said that instead of just doing it. |
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dukeleto |
cotto: do it :) |
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dukeleto |
i just aliased "git unmerged" to "git branch --no-merged" and life is a little better. |
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* cotto |
is doing it |
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cotto |
bacek, ping |
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mikehh |
All tests PASS (pre/post-config, make corevm/make coretest, smoke (#9303) fulltest) at 3_0_0-926-gd9d7674 - Ubuntu 10.10 i386 (g++-4.5 with --optimize) |
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cotto |
bacek, unping |
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cotto |
msg bacek How beneficial might it be to add an :ro attr that prevents pmc2c from generating write barriers for a C-level METHOD? |
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aloha |
OK. I'll deliver the message. |
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cotto |
That's a tricky ticket to describe. |
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dalek |
TT #2010 created by cotto++: add write barrier to all PMCs that write in unusual VTABLE functions |
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dalek |
TT #2010 : http://trac.parrot.org/parrot/ticket/2010 |
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dalek |
parrot: f1c998b | cotto++ | api.yaml: |
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dalek |
parrot: add proper notice for the write barrier change |
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dalek |
parrot: review: https://github.com/parrot/parr[…]commit/f1c998b4b6 |
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cotto |
atrodo, ping |
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cotto |
atrodo, unping |
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bacek_mobile |
~~ |
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bacek_mobile |
cotto, We do support :write for METHODs. Unfortunately it's not used consistently in (at least) our PMCs. |
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bacek_mobile |
I'm pretty sure, that HLLs aren't use :write properly. |
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cotto |
bacek_mobile, I know a guy with a commit bit. |
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bacek_mobile |
cotto, it will require big review of our pmcs first |
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bacek_mobile |
I didn't want to increase scope of gen_gc branch to such amount of work. |
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cotto |
Where'd those gci minions go. |
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cotto |
bacek_mobile, that's sensible. |
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bacek_mobile |
for gen_gc scope was: 1. Make it. 2. Make it correct. |
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cotto |
bacek_mobile, is you at you dot com your preferred email? |
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bacek_mobile |
cotto, yes :) |
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bacek_mobile |
cotto, you can create ticket similar to #2010 for properly mark METHODs with :write pragma. |
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cotto |
bacek_mobile, do you think it's worthwhile? |
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bacek_mobile |
cotto, yes. |
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cotto |
I was thinking a :ro pragma would be easier. |
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Util |
dukeleto: ping |
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bacek_mobile |
cotto: :ro is same is !:write. |
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bacek_mobile |
and we already have :write |
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cotto |
yes, but it's a question of blacklisting vs whitelisting |
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bacek_mobile |
check src/dynpmc/rotest |
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bacek_mobile |
afaik, most of the methods are ro. |
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bacek_mobile |
at least in our code. |
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cotto |
for some it depends on the arguments |
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bacek_mobile |
I'm not sure that pmc2c support multiple pragmas for methods. |
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bacek_mobile |
and anyway, :ro isn't correct pragma for this purpose |
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cotto |
looks like it parses them, at lesat |
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bacek_mobile |
something like :immutable is better choice |
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cotto |
*least |
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cotto |
I'll let the guy who commits pain that bikeshed. |
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cotto |
*paint |
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Util |
cotto: I might like that version better that "paint". :) |
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mikehh |
rakudo (f4ec358) - builds on parrot (3_0_0-928-g3b6bed1) - make test, make spectest_smolder[(#9312), roast (051af06)] PASS - Ubuntu 10.10 i386 (g++-4.5 with --optimize) |
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mikehh |
27,634 ok, 0 failed, 610 todo, 1,841 skipped and 0 unexpectedly succeeded |
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* Util |
is afk; wrestling with a fallen tree. |
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cotto |
Util, get it in a headlock. That's their secret weakness. |
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dalek |
parrot/m0-spec: 685db46 | cotto++ | docs/pdds/draft/pdd32_m0.pod: |
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dalek |
parrot/m0-spec: add a section on objects |
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dalek |
parrot/m0-spec: review: https://github.com/parrot/parr[…]commit/685db46077 |
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dalek |
parrot/m0-spec: 0b91df4 | cotto++ | docs/pdds/draft/pdd32_m0.pod: |
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dalek |
parrot/m0-spec: add status and some milestones |
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dalek |
parrot/m0-spec: review: https://github.com/parrot/parr[…]commit/0b91df4b8d |
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mikehh |
winxed (906) - builds on parrot (3_0_0-928-g3b6bed1) - make test/test1/test2 PASS - some examples ok tried fly, opengl and others. |
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mikehh |
sorry that should be 806 |
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cotto |
atrodo, ping |
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cotto |
atrodo, unping |
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parrot: f7d6c26 | cotto++ | src/pmc/packfileannotations.pmc: |
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parrot: remove a couple unused variables, fixing CID 1288 |
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parrot: review: https://github.com/parrot/parr[…]commit/f7d6c26c45 |
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ooooh, the GCC Compile Farm just got a netbsd 5.1 machine |
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nqp: d6338b2 | jnthn++ | src/NQP/Actions.pm: |
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dalek |
nqp: Toss 'is pirflags' and add 'is vtable'. Calls method on the meta-object, though none implement it yet. Eventually this allows overriding of some Parrot v-table methods again when using 6model, which we'll need for other Parrot bits to interop with languages using 6model. |
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dalek |
nqp: review: https://github.com/perl6/nqp/commit/d6338b268b |
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dalek |
nqp: a022547 | jnthn++ | t/nqp/52-vtable.t: |
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dalek |
nqp: Update test file to use is parrot_vtable rather than is pirflags. Still doesn't pass again yet, though. |
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dalek |
nqp: review: https://github.com/perl6/nqp/commit/a022547b1e |
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dukeleto |
anybody know anything about NanoJIT? http://www.bluishcoder.co.nz/2[…]ojit-example.html |
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dukeleto |
Nanojit is a small, cross-platform C++ library that emits machine code. Both the Tamarin JIT and the SpiderMonkey JIT (a.k.a. TraceMonkey) use Nanojit as their back end. |
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might be a good place to learn from for our JIT |
