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dalek |
nqp/ctmo: b33dc05 | moritz++ | / (3 files): |
| 00:03 |
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dalek |
nqp/ctmo: first shot at removing P6Regex.pir. Diws with "Can only use get_how on a RakudoObject" |
| 00:03 |
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dalek |
nqp/ctmo: review: https://github.com/perl6/nqp/commit/b33dc053e9 |
| 00:03 |
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dalek |
nqp/ctmo: aa87ead | jonathan++ | src/Regex/P6Regex/Grammar.pm: |
| 00:03 |
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dalek |
nqp/ctmo: Need to still use the HLL library; was missed when removing the P6Regex PIR file. |
| 00:03 |
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dalek |
nqp/ctmo: review: https://github.com/perl6/nqp/commit/aa87eadde6 |
| 00:03 |
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dalek |
nqp/ctmo: 1eb4e1b | jonathan++ | build/Makefile.in: |
| 00:03 |
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dalek |
nqp/ctmo: Another round of Makefile changes to work towards getting things working again after removing P6Regex.pir. |
| 00:03 |
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dalek |
nqp/ctmo: review: https://github.com/perl6/nqp/commit/1eb4e1b4f3 |
| 00:03 |
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dalek |
nqp/ctmo: 9ace6d6 | jonathan++ | src/Regex/P6Regex/ (2 files): |
| 00:03 |
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dalek |
nqp/ctmo: Need to use block form of packages when there's multiple in a file. |
| 00:03 |
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dalek |
nqp/ctmo: review: https://github.com/perl6/nqp/commit/9ace6d652d |
| 00:03 |
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dalek |
nqp/ctmo: d014f94 | jonathan++ | src/Regex/P6Regex/Compiler.pm: |
| 00:03 |
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dalek |
nqp/ctmo: Work around a MAIN bug. |
| 00:03 |
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dalek |
nqp/ctmo: review: https://github.com/perl6/nqp/commit/d014f94f99 |
| 00:03 |
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dalek |
nqp/ctmo: 4460cea | jonathan++ | src/Regex/P6Regex/Compiler.pm: |
| 00:03 |
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dalek |
nqp/ctmo: Move regex compiler init to the right place; now all tests pass that pass in the ctmo branch. |
| 00:03 |
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dalek |
nqp/ctmo: review: https://github.com/perl6/nqp/commit/4460cea99f |
| 00:03 |
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dalek |
nqp/ctmo: 9cdb417 | jonathan++ | src/NQP/Actions.pm: |
| 00:03 |
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dalek |
nqp/ctmo: Fix MAIN bug. |
| 00:03 |
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dalek |
nqp/ctmo: review: https://github.com/perl6/nqp/commit/9cdb417836 |
| 00:03 |
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dalek |
nqp/ctmo: e3036b0 | jonathan++ | src/stage0/ (6 files): |
| 00:03 |
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dalek |
nqp/ctmo: Update bootstrap with MAIN fix and P6Regex.pir gone. |
| 00:03 |
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dalek |
nqp/ctmo: review: https://github.com/perl6/nqp/commit/e3036b09d2 |
| 00:03 |
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dalek |
nqp/ctmo: 749d34c | jonathan++ | src/Regex/P6Regex/Compiler.pm: |
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dalek |
nqp/ctmo: Toss workaround for MAIN bug. |
| 00:03 |
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dalek |
nqp/ctmo: review: https://github.com/perl6/nqp/commit/749d34cae2 |
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cotto |
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dukeleto |
~~ |
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dukeleto |
sure is quiet in here |
| 04:15 |
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* KaeseEs |
chirps |
| 04:16 |
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* dukeleto |
feels better |
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| 04:18 |
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KaeseEs |
i know someone was talking about the GMP bindings gsoc project earlier, has anyone mentioned the GSL bindings project? |
| 04:18 |
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dukeleto |
KaeseEs: which GSL binding project? |
| 04:18 |
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dukeleto |
KaeseEs: i think i proposed both of them |
| 04:18 |
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dukeleto |
KaeseEs: are you interested? |
| 04:18 |
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dukeleto |
KaeseEs: are you eligible to be a gsoc student? |
| 04:19 |
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KaeseEs |
i'm pretty sure i'm eligible! i'm a junior this year, will be asenior next year |
| 04:20 |
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KaeseEs |
the one that's on the wiki is for bindings for " Special Function, Random Distributions and Cumulative Distribution Functions (CDFs), which have the simplest function signatures" |
| 04:20 |
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KaeseEs |
and yeah i'm interested :) |
| 04:21 |
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dukeleto |
KaeseEs: awesome! |
| 04:21 |
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dukeleto |
KaeseEs: have you used GSL before? |
| 04:21 |
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dukeleto |
KaeseEs: i wrote Math::GSL on CPAN and it was a gsoc project 2 years ago |
| 04:22 |
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KaeseEs |
no, mostly i was interested because we did random distributions in my algorithms class about a month ago |
| 04:22 |
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KaeseEs |
i saw you did math::gsl, was actually perusing the source on cpan to see how it was done :3 |
| 04:23 |
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dukeleto |
KaeseEs: beware, it uses SWIG |
| 04:23 |
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dukeleto |
KaeseEs: black magic is under the hood |
| 04:23 |
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dukeleto |
KaeseEs: take a look at src/nci |
| 04:23 |
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dukeleto |
KaeseEs: most likely, you will need to add some function signatures to src/nci/*.nci, but you might be able to get away without it for the simplest GSL functions |
| 04:23 |
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KaeseEs |
swig autogenerates headers and does marshalling, yes? |
| 04:24 |
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dukeleto |
KaeseEs: it reads C header files and autogenerates XS and Perl glue to call C functions and marshall data |
| 04:24 |
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KaeseEs |
ah-ha. |
| 04:24 |
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dukeleto |
KaeseEs: somehow, it works most of the time |
| 04:25 |
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dukeleto |
KaeseEs: lots of people seem to have problems with compiling Math::GSL on windows-ish platforms, tho |
| 04:25 |
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dukeleto |
KaeseEs: but that is mostly because their environment is broke |
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| 04:26 |
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KaeseEs |
i've got debian in a vm on my laptop, so i think i should be alright build-wise |
| 04:27 |
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* KaeseEs |
fires up vmware and another instance of puttytray |
| 04:27 |
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dukeleto |
KaeseEs: the Math::GSL test suite will be useful to you, you can basically steal it |
| 04:27 |
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dukeleto |
KaeseEs: i stole most of it from the actual GSL test suite :) |
| 04:27 |
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KaeseEs |
is parrot cool with perl tests or should i rewrite in pir or something? |
| 04:28 |
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dukeleto |
KaeseEs: i would say that you should start hacking now. do you have a fork of parrot.git on github yet? |
| 04:28 |
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KaeseEs |
yes |
| 04:28 |
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dukeleto |
KaeseEs: your tests would most likely need to be in PIR |
| 04:28 |
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KaeseEs |
i'm on break this week so i have some tuits to throw at it |
| 04:28 |
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dukeleto |
KaeseEs: but you could write a quick script to convert the Math::GSL perl tests into parrot tests |
| 04:28 |
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dukeleto |
KaeseEs: good timing! |
| 04:29 |
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dukeleto |
KaeseEs: i would say, as a first step, try to get access to a single GSL function via PIR, call it and get the return value |
| 04:29 |
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dukeleto |
KaeseEs: you will need to use 'dlopen', 'dlfunc' and friends |
| 04:29 |
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dukeleto |
KaeseEs: read up on those |
| 04:29 |
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dukeleto |
KaeseEs: if you have a start on the project before you send your gsoc proposal in, that looks *really* good |
| 04:29 |
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dukeleto |
KaeseEs: also, it will give you a better handle on how to estimate your timelines and deliverables |
| 04:30 |
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dukeleto |
KaeseEs: the first steps are the hardest, everything gets easier after that |
| 04:30 |
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KaeseEs |
ok. i'll look at the dlopen manpages maitenant |
| 04:30 |
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dukeleto |
KaeseEs: examples/nci will help you a bunch |
| 04:30 |
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KaeseEs |
heh, my copy of the repo was 89 commits behind |
| 04:31 |
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dukeleto |
KaeseEs: you should basically copy the simplest example in examples/nci and tweak it to do what you want |
| 04:31 |
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dukeleto |
KaeseEs: probably examples/nci/ls.pir |
| 04:32 |
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* KaeseEs |
googles for a vim syntax file for PIR to make his eyes a little happier |
| 04:32 |
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plobsing |
KaeseEs: it is in the repo |
| 04:33 |
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KaeseEs |
oh neato |
| 04:33 |
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plobsing |
editor/*.vim |
| 04:33 |
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dukeleto |
KaeseEs: yes, those will make you much happier |
| 04:33 |
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dukeleto |
KaeseEs: you should keep your repo up-to-date with "git pull --rebase", commit to a branch and don't commit to master |
| 04:33 |
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plobsing |
also 'make tags-vi' if you haven't already |
| 04:33 |
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plobsing |
<3 tags |
| 04:35 |
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dukeleto |
plobsing: i didn't know about that make target! |
| 04:35 |
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dukeleto |
plobsing: that should be documented in our new hacking_tips.pod |
| 04:35 |
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dukeleto |
KaeseEs: https://github.com/parrot/parr[…]/git_workflow.pod |
| 04:35 |
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dukeleto |
KaeseEs: any question you have about working with parrot.git is probably answered there |
| 04:36 |
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dukeleto |
KaeseEs: if not, ask me here or send an email to parrot-dev |
| 04:36 |
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KaeseEs |
will do! |
| 04:36 |
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dukeleto |
KaeseEs: https://github.com/parrot/parr[…]t_terminology.pod will also be helpful |
| 04:36 |
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dukeleto |
KaeseEs: excited to see someone hacking on GSL stuff for parrot! I've been wanting to do it for a while, but $life keeps getting in the way |
| 04:37 |
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dukeleto |
KaeseEs: everybody here is friendly, don't hesitate to ask questions here or on parrot-dev |
| 04:37 |
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dukeleto |
KaeseEs: you can mention that you are a prospective GSoC student too |
| 04:38 |
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dukeleto |
KaeseEs: and if it makes you feel better, mention that I told you to :) |
| 04:38 |
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KaeseEs |
is #parrotsketch just for meetings btw? i saw it mentioned in the mailing list |
| 04:38 |
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dukeleto |
KaeseEs: yes, every tuesday there is a dev meeting in there |
| 04:38 |
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dukeleto |
KaeseEs: it is listed on our google calendar on parrot.org |
| 04:39 |
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dukeleto |
KaeseEs: it is in UTC, so the time changes depending on your timezone+DST (if applicable) |
| 04:39 |
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KaeseEs |
ah-ha |
| 04:39 |
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dukeleto |
KaeseEs: but i add sms/email reminders to the google calendar to remind me when it is, and I never have to think about that junk |
| 04:40 |
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dukeleto |
KaeseEs: you can read the irc logs to get a feel for how they go |
| 04:40 |
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dukeleto |
KaeseEs: you are of course welcome to attend (everyone is) and be sure to mention you are hacking on gsl bindings |
| 04:40 |
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dukeleto |
KaeseEs: people will be very happy |
| 04:41 |
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KaeseEs |
do we have some uptake of parrot within scientific computing already? |
| 04:41 |
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KaeseEs |
i know a ton of eg. bio people are heavy p5 users, didn't know anyone had looked at 6 or other parrot-hosted languages |
| 04:43 |
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dukeleto |
KaeseEs: i guess i am the go-to person for scientific computing + parrot |
| 04:43 |
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dukeleto |
KaeseEs: there is a bioperl6 project |
| 04:43 |
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KaeseEs |
oh neato |
| 04:43 |
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dukeleto |
KaeseEs: i know some bio/sci-comp people interested in parrot, but they don't have huge dev resources, so they haven't done much yet |
| 04:43 |
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dukeleto |
KaeseEs: but they *are* excited |
| 04:43 |
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dukeleto |
KaeseEs: https://github.com/cjfields/bioperl6 |
| 04:44 |
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dukeleto |
KaeseEs: i work in the bioinformatics world, i currently hack on http://solgenomics.net |
| 04:44 |
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KaeseEs |
oic! |
| 04:45 |
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dukeleto |
KaeseEs: and every line of that site is on github: https://github.com/solgenomics |
| 04:45 |
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dukeleto |
KaeseEs: one of the nice things about being NSF-funded. Every line must me open source, by decree. |
| 04:45 |
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dukeleto |
s/must me/must be/ |
| 04:45 |
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KaeseEs |
so when the GM foods holocaust happens, i should write an angry letter to J. Leto in between shooting plague zombies, is what you're saying :3 |
| 04:46 |
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KaeseEs |
does NSF specify BSD style or just something OSI approved |
| 04:46 |
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dukeleto |
KaeseEs: possibly :) |
| 04:46 |
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dukeleto |
KaeseEs: i am actually not sure, probably osi-approved. All our stuff is artistic license 2.0 (i.e gpl/perl) |
| 04:47 |
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dukeleto |
KaeseEs: we don't deal with monsanto or those other evil companies |
| 04:47 |
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cotto |
I'm hoping to eventually turn Parrot to evil and subvert PaFo, but that's still a ways off. |
| 04:47 |
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dukeleto |
KaeseEs: and mostly we just help facilitate researchers studying public data about plants, we don't sell GMO seeds or any of that evil stuff |
| 04:48 |
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dukeleto |
cotto: i knew you had alterior motives |
| 04:48 |
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cotto |
I'm all about open evil. |
| 04:48 |
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cotto |
;) |
| 04:48 |
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dukeleto |
"OSI-approved evil" |
| 04:49 |
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KaeseEs |
is GM for vitamin/mineral fortification feasible yet or is it stuck in the "like foo but bigger!" rut |
| 04:51 |
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dukeleto |
KaeseEs: i really don't know, I am just a coder pretending to know about biology |
| 04:51 |
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KaeseEs |
heh |
| 04:52 |
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dukeleto |
cotto: you will be happy to hear that I actually met a bio-coder dude at a conf recently that was excited to hear that I hack on parrot |
| 04:52 |
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plobsing |
OpenEvil is great. That's how I got my Beowulf cluster of atomic supermen. |
| 04:53 |
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dukeleto |
cotto: i am always taken aback a bit when people actually know stuff about parrot |
| 04:53 |
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dukeleto |
cotto: guess i should get used to that... |
| 04:53 |
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cotto |
dukeleto, that's pretty awesome. It'll be even more awesome when it's commonplace. |
| 04:54 |
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cotto |
speaking of which, I really want to find out if my oscon talk gets accepted. |
| 04:55 |
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dukeleto |
cotto: yeah, me too |
| 04:55 |
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dukeleto |
cotto: also, YAPC::NA |
| 04:55 |
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dukeleto |
cotto: you should go to YAPC::NA |
| 04:55 |
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dukeleto |
we should have a parrot hackathon there |
| 04:55 |
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cotto |
dukeleto, +1 |
| 04:56 |
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dukeleto |
cotto: also, at Open Source Bridge |
| 04:56 |
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dukeleto |
cotto: and Linux Fest NW |
| 04:56 |
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* dukeleto |
is all about IRL hackathons |
| 04:57 |
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dukeleto |
so much gets done in a short period |
| 04:57 |
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cotto |
+1 for each; |
| 04:58 |
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* dukeleto |
does some much-needed laundry |
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cotto |
I wish osbridge allowed normal logins. I have no idea which openid account I used or even which are valid. |
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cotto |
gripe gripe gripe |
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cotto |
eog |
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plobsing |
eog gripe.png |
| 05:18 |
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dukeleto |
cotto: click on the button. they allow like 50 types of login |
| 05:18 |
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* dukeleto |
goes back to laundry |
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cotto |
dukeleto, I got it |
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cotto |
allison, ping |
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cotto |
talk titles are hard |
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cotto |
yapc::na, os bridge and linuxfestnw talks submitted |
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cotto |
I love how easy osbridge's site makes it to favorite a proposal. |
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cotto |
pmichaud, ping |
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cotto |
pmichaud, unping |
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gerd |
Is quiet, but it is not 09:00 UTC. There are no commit at the moment, so could I start changing the version number? |
| 08:24 |
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moritz |
sure |
| 08:25 |
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gerd |
So I will start changing the version number |
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Topic for #parrot is now 3.2.0 release IN PROGRESS | http://parrot.org | Log: irclog.perlgeek.de/parrot/today | Goals: Get more GSoC ideas on wiki; close tickets; stable 3.2 release; assess status of roadmap goals for 3/15 meeting. |
| 08:28 |
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dalek |
parrot: ede9cd7 | (Gerd Pokorra)++ | / (12 files): |
| 08:28 |
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dalek |
parrot: update to version 3.2.0 |
| 08:28 |
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dalek |
parrot: review: https://github.com/parrot/parr[…]commit/ede9cd75d0 |
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gerd |
I will create the tarball and run the tests. |
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gerd |
The tarball fulltest is still running; but I will already tag the release in the meantime |
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gerd |
release 3.2.0 is tagged |
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moritz |
does that mean the repo is open for commits again? |
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gerd |
The tarball fulltest is still running; but I will also already upload the tarballs |
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gerd |
for me other commit are okay |
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Topic for #parrot is now Parrot 3.2.0 released | http://parrot.org | Log: irclog.perlgeek.de/parrot/today | Goals: Get more GSoC ideas on wiki; close tickets; stable 3.2 release; assess status of roadmap goals for 3/15 meeting. |
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moritz |
actually I just wanted to update /topic, not commit :-) |
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gerd |
make fulltest of the tarball passes successful, my tarball upload is very slow, at the moment is is stalled |
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gerd |
I killed the session, know it is uploaded |
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gerd |
3.2.0 is triggered at the ftp-server, I will start writing the WWW page |
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dalek |
website: gerd++ | Parrot 3.2.0 "Nanday Parakeet" Released! |
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dalek |
website: http://www.parrot.org/news/2011/Parrot-3.2.0 |
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bacek |
~~ |
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bacek |
How is running "planet.parrotcode.org"? |
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bacek |
And why it's parrotcode.org not parrot.org? |
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moritz |
hysterical rasins. Of course. |
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tadzik |
+ A statement convert the '.param' PIR systax -- is there a verb missing? |
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tadzik |
also, a link to Rosella is broken |
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gerd |
I will fix the link, thank you |
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gerd |
the link is fixed, what verb should added? |
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gerd |
tadzik: I do not know how to say it better, do you have a suggestion? |
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gerd |
I will take me something to eat, bye! |
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tadzik |
msg gerd well, the thing is that I don't know what did you want to say :) |
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aloha |
OK. I'll deliver the message. |
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tadzik |
aloha: thanks |
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* bacek |
thinking about teaching aloha good manners :) |
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tadzik |
maybe it just smiles and blushes silently :) |
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moritz |
maybe it should say "I serve my masters." instead of "OK. I'll deliver the message."? :-) |
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moritz, hmmm. "I'll delver the message, as you wish, master" looks better :) |
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cotto: pong |
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gerd++ # 3.2.0 |
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Coke |
I have keys to planet parrotcode. |
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whiteknight |
me too |
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Coke |
(it's run by the perl.org folks. We can probably get it setup to run under planet.parrot.org, but it's JNWI(tm)) |
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Rosella/gh-pages: 4ad0699 | Whiteknight++ | index.html: |
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Rosella/gh-pages: Add some color and remove unnecessary page-topper stuff |
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Rosella/gh-pages: review: https://github.com/Whiteknight[…]commit/4ad0699657 |
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dukeleto: what's the OH in http://twitter.com/dukeleto/st[…]47519916013780992 ? |
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dukeleto |
moritz: "overheard" |
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moritz: http://twitter.com/#!/pdxoh |
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dukeleto |
moritz: any tweet that has OH in it gets retweeted by @pdxOH |
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moritz: @pdxOH is kind of like a collective dumpster of random things that people overhear |
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aka "noise" :-) |
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Rosella/gh-pages: 604289b | Whiteknight++ | index.html: |
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dalek |
Rosella/gh-pages: +information about installing with plumage |
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Rosella/gh-pages: review: https://github.com/Whiteknight[…]commit/604289b461 |
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Rosella: 7bb9390 | Whiteknight++ | s (4 files): |
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Rosella: Add in an experimental new contracts library, which is going to allow something like 'design by contract' programming for Parrot. |
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Rosella: review: https://github.com/Whiteknight[…]commit/7bb9390e6f |
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Rosella: f28393b | Whiteknight++ | LICENSE: |
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Rosella: Merge branch 'master' of github.com:Whiteknight/Rosella |
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Rosella: review: https://github.com/Whiteknight[…]commit/f28393b618 |
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* Coke |
mentions TT #1886 again. |
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* Coke |
builds parrot-3.2.0+ ... |
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cotto |
allison, is there any reason to keep Parrot's launchpad page? |
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allison |
not as it currently stands, no |
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allison |
it makes more sense to shift it over to the center for Ubuntu packages of parrot |
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All tests PASS (pre/post-config, make corevm/make coretest, smoke (#12355) fulltest) at RELEASE_3_2_0 - Ubuntu 10.10 i386 (g++-4.5) |
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cotto |
docs.parrot.org is updated |
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bah - that should be Smoke/Smolder #12335 |
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Coke |
msg cotto - the doc link from latest should /always/ point to devel. there's no point in relinking it every time to the latest version explicitly. |
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aloha |
OK. I'll deliver the message. |
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Coke |
rant: /msg vs. msg |
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whiteknight |
Coke: ping |
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Coke |
whiteknight: pong |
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whiteknight |
has partcl-nqp ever worked? |
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Coke |
... yes. |
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Coke |
parrot keeps breaking me. What can I say. |
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whiteknight |
it is relying on some code pathways, some of which are relatively old, which should not have ever worked for you |
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Coke |
And yet they did. |
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whiteknight |
hence my confusion |
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whiteknight |
I don't think this is a case of "parrot broke it", this shouldn't have ever worked, and now it doesnt |
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Coke |
note that partcl-nqp is just using nqp-rx (and therefore PCT & friends). |
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Coke |
whiteknight: (shouldn't have ever worked) - talk to nqp-rx & PCT, then. |
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whiteknight |
these problems aren't in NQP or PCT |
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Coke |
Where are they? |
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Coke |
What level of the stack? I'm not using anything lower level than PIR, and damn little of that. |
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Coke |
msg cotto - reverse that - while it works either way, it makes more sense to have devel always point to latest and just update latest (and supported if needed.) |
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aloha |
OK. I'll deliver the message. |
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whiteknight |
specifically, the code that's a problem is Parrot_pmc_reuse. Autopromotion from Float->TclString is undefined at best |
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whiteknight |
what worries me the most are the comments "Warning, this should not be called on Object PMCs" |
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whiteknight |
now, we're seeing why |
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Coke |
whiteknight: It's not supposed to be going from Float to tclstring. It's supposed to be going from TclFloat to TclString, like it used to. |
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whiteknight |
well, it isn't |
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Coke |
Right. because parrot broke something regarding the HLL mapping. |
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Coke |
So, rather than give me crap that I'm using some wrong interface... |
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whiteknight |
Where is TclFloat defined |
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whiteknight |
? |
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whiteknight |
"ack -a TclFloat" in the partcl-nqp repo returns no results |
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Coke |
*sigh*. I may be conflating the 2 versions. Apologies for ranting. Moment. |
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Coke |
yes, there is no TclFloat in partcl-nqp, only partcl. Trying to find the reuse. |
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whiteknight |
the reuse happens automatically inside Float. It's a code path which has obviously never been well tested |
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whiteknight |
there's no obvious indication that you shouldn't have been using it. |
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whiteknight |
I'm just surprised that you haven't seen failures in this area until now |
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Coke |
to be fair, this is not a recent bug. |
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Coke |
and that would explain why it doesn't impact partcl (which has pmcs for the 3 string/int/float types) |
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whiteknight |
okay. The timeline really isn't important. What's important is that now I know what behavior is expected here, and I can try to implement that |
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Coke |
I am wondering why this only happens on the second invocation. |
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Coke |
(and why it depends on the formatting of the tcl code). |
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whiteknight |
The first invocation, the types are different |
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Coke |
(presumably it compiles down to different pir) |
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whiteknight |
I think it's an Undef being transformed into a Float |
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whiteknight |
I need to trace through it again |
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whiteknight |
in-place morphing to an Object type is going to be a huge pain to implement. It should be in by 3.3 at the latest |
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cotto_work |
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jnthn_ |
whiteknight: (in-place morphing to an Object type) do you mean PMC => Object that inherits from that PMC? |
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whiteknight |
jnthn: doesn't need to inherit. Just in-place morphing from any built-in PMC type to any Object type |
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jnthn_ |
oh |
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jnthn_ |
we have the latter in Rakudo's dynops. |
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jnthn_ |
er, wait |
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whiteknight |
in src/pmc.c, take a look at Parrot_pmc_reuse and Parrot_pmc_reuse_noinit |
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jnthn_ |
I mean, we have the inheritance case in Rakudo's dynops |
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jnthn_ |
:) |
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whiteknight |
the code does interp->vtables[new_type], and does absolutely no bounds checking |
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jnthn_ |
Though I look forward to killing it in a month or so :) |
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jnthn_ |
eww |
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jnthn_ |
That sounds...dangerous. |
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whiteknight |
I look forward to 6model too, but I need to fix this problem for Coke now. Can't wait for 6model |
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davidfetter |
aloha, 6model |
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davidfetter |
hrm |
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whiteknight |
aloha, 6model? |
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aloha |
whiteknight: 6model is basically intended to be used from a HLL |
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whiteknight |
awesome |
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davidfetter |
ah |
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davidfetter |
um, what is it? |
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whiteknight |
it's the new meta-object model, inspired by Rakudo's needs in the area |
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whiteknight |
Parrot intends to adopt it, more or less wholesale |
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davidfetter |
more, or less? |
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whiteknight |
I'm sure there will be some modifications made and plenty of bikeshedding |
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davidfetter |
you have to have bikeshedding. totally necessary for any project of note |
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whiteknight |
the bikeshedding is actually the primary objective. 6model is just a nice side-effect |
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Coke |
whiteknight: partcl-nqp has no PMCs. (just to clarify your comment on the TT 1886 ticket.) |
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davidfetter |
heh |
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whiteknight |
Coke: okay |
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parrot: 8a139ce | Coke++ | docs/project/release_manager_guide.pod: |
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dalek |
parrot: Use slightly more sensical link update strategy. |
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dalek |
parrot: review: https://github.com/parrot/parr[…]commit/8a139ce139 |
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davidfetter |
'sup hercynium |
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hercynium |
'sup! |
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dalek |
Rosella/gh-pages: 2627f01 | Whiteknight++ | index.html: |
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dalek |
Rosella/gh-pages: rearrange some of the headings. Add some more details about isntallation, credits, and licensing |
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dalek |
Rosella/gh-pages: review: https://github.com/Whiteknight[…]commit/2627f01eae |
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Coke |
whiteknight++ #finding the cause of 1886. |
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Util |
NEWS says "A statement convert the '.param' PIR systax". Assuming s/systax/syntax/, what does it mean? |
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cotto_work |
It means nobody proofread NEWS. |
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whiteknight |
plobsing made some modifications to the .param syntax in the IMCC grammar |
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Util |
Right :) I mean "what change to .param was made?" |
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Util |
whiteknight: pointer to details? |
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cotto_work |
.param can appear anywhere in a sub now |
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cotto_work |
(iirc) |
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whiteknight |
now .param can appear anywhere in a function, not just at the very top. This is useful for e.g. params on an exception call and params on callback into a coroutine |
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whiteknight |
Util: I don't know where the details would be. Ask plobsing |
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Util |
cotto_work, whiteknight: thanks! |
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whiteknight |
sorry we can't be more helpful! |
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Util |
Actually, that was the level of detail I needed |
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whiteknight |
msg NotFound: I would love to have conditional compilation in Winxed. Something like a DEBUG{ ... } block which could be made invisible in a non-debug build would be perfect |
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aloha |
OK. I'll deliver the message. |
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whiteknight |
the alternative to built-in DEBUG stuff would be to use a separate preprocessor like M4 |
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whiteknight |
being able to litter your code with debug notes and assertions, and have all those things disappear in a release build would be very handy |
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whiteknight |
I used to wish for that feature from IMCC a lot. Now, forget IMCC |
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whiteknight: winxed is quite amenable to CPP |
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whiteknight |
what do you mean by that? |
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plobsing |
the C preprocessor. It works fairly well on javascript and winxed |
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plobsing |
in case you wanted quick and dirty debug build capability |
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whiteknight |
oh, okay. Yeah there are other solutions I can come up with. I would really love to have something built into Winxed though |
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whiteknight |
there was some talk at one point of having a Debug PAST node type which disappeared going into POST |
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whiteknight |
I think that was supposed to be part of the tree-optimization work |
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lucian |
plobsing: i think that's very evil |
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whiteknight |
how is that more evil than any other type of debug mechanism? |
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whiteknight |
oh, you mean to use the preprocessor. Nevermind |
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lucian |
whiteknight: it relies on pre-lexing (or at the very least pre-ast) macros |
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lucian |
yeah, that |
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plobsing |
lucian: they get a bad rap, but when they're enough, the work great |
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lucian |
plobsing: i think the bad rap is very justified |
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lucian |
plobsing: pre-ansic macros are very dangerous even for simple things |
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lucian |
even ansi c ones are dangerous, and often even for simple things |
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plobsing |
they're a feature that is simpler but less powerfull than an alternative, and some people take them too far. Regular expressions are in the same boat. |
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lucian |
plobsing: i blame them for being too powerful and not abstract enough |
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lucian |
even scheme macros (which happen during scope analysis i think) scare me a bit |
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* lucian |
will brb |
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plobsing |
lucian: but those are hygenic! what would you have? hermetically-sealed macros? |
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dalek |
Rosella/gh-pages: f9c30a7 | Whiteknight++ | index.html: |
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dalek |
Rosella/gh-pages: add info about the contract library. Add copyright notice for the Rosella logo image |
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dalek |
Rosella/gh-pages: review: https://github.com/Whiteknight[…]commit/f9c30a7725 |
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Util |
In NQP, is there significance to upper/lowercase in the pir:: signatures? |
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Util |
Such as this: pir::get_hll_global__PPS(...); |
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Util |
versus this: pir::get_hll_global__PPs(...); |
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jnthn_ |
Yes |
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jnthn_ |
S - must come from a register, s = can come from a constant too |
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jnthn_ |
iirc |
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Coke |
There's a page describing those... |
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Coke |
perldoc compilers/pct/src/PAST/Compiler.pir |
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lucian |
plobsing: they're hygienic, but you still need to expand them to see what's going on |
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lucian |
better is possible |
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lucian |
plobsing: http://www.erights.org/data/irrelevance.html is interesting |
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lucian |
i'd rather have scope checked before any macros, then expansion is much less surprising |
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lucian |
although scheme's are the best i've seen so far |
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plobsing |
wait, what do you mean by scope checking? |
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lucian |
plobsing: lexical names scope checking |
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's terminology is crap |
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plobsing |
in plt, conflicting macro names get rewritten, inserting (let ...)s where necessary |
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lucian |
plobsing: racket's macros are better, yes |
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plobsing |
basically, it is auto-gensym |
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lucian |
also, expansion for debugging is better |
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lucian |
but i still don't think it's quite enough |
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plobsing |
sounds to me like you just don't like macros |
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lucian |
plobsing: perhaps :) i don't think they're worth the risks most of the time |
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lucian |
but as i said, scheme's are the closest i've seen |
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lucian |
E's macros don't work yet, so it doesn't count |
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plobsing: for simple things, i rather like D's approach, with version() {} and debug{} blocks |
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lucian |
and static if () {} |
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lucian |
playing spore, my idea of a game where programming is important is becoming more clear |
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jnthn_, Coke: thanks, just what I needed! |
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Rosella: c4358e5 | Whiteknight++ | CREDITS: |
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dalek |
Rosella: Add note about the logo image to CREDITS |
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Rosella: review: https://github.com/Whiteknight[…]commit/c4358e5f51 |
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#ps in 40 |
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parrot/opsc_llvm: 1c7d081 | bacek++ | / (2 files): |
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parrot/opsc_llvm: Inherit BasicBlock from Value to access .name |
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parrot/opsc_llvm: review: https://github.com/parrot/parr[…]commit/1c7d081c96 |
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Coke |
msg bacek send me an email or something with details. |
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aloha |
OK. I'll deliver the message. |
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Coke: http://feeds.feedburner.com/baceksblog/parrot |
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$dayjob time |
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nqp/ctmo: 7227290 | jonathan++ | / (3 files): |
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nqp/ctmo: Bump PARROT_REVISION, use generational GC, fix NQPLexPad up for the changes. |
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nqp/ctmo: review: https://github.com/perl6/nqp/commit/72272904ed |
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nqp/ctmo: 32b9b81 | jonathan++ | src/metamodel/reprs/P6opaque.c: |
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nqp/ctmo: Avoid allocating zero bytes; parrot++ catches this now. |
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nqp/ctmo: review: https://github.com/perl6/nqp/commit/32b9b815f8 |
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nqp/ctmo: 3341bd9 | jonathan++ | / (4 files): |
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nqp/ctmo: Move declaration of brackets list into NQP, eliminating one more cheat file. |
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dalek |
nqp/ctmo: review: https://github.com/perl6/nqp/commit/3341bd9a63 |
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nqp/ctmo: 4a132aa | jonathan++ | / (4 files): |
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nqp/ctmo: Move hll-compiler cheat into NQP. |
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nqp/ctmo: review: https://github.com/perl6/nqp/commit/4a132aaa70 |
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hrm, my not-Parrot-related blag posts still land on Planet Parrot |
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cotto_work |
whiteknight: ohai |
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whiteknight |
hello |
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whiteknight |
is #ps still happening? |
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whiteknight |
or is this an unrelated meeting? |
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davidfetter |
it's on |
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tadzik |
there is still move around there, but ps is over I think |
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oh. oops. |
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bacek_at_work |
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nqp/ctmo: 08a5c79 | jonathan++ | src/HLL (2 files): |
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nqp/ctmo: Move HLL compiler init to NQP. |
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dalek |
nqp/ctmo: review: https://github.com/perl6/nqp/commit/08a5c798e0 |
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nqp/ctmo: 3434ae9 | jonathan++ | src/ (3 files): |
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nqp/ctmo: Further gut HLL.pir. |
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dalek |
nqp/ctmo: review: https://github.com/perl6/nqp/commit/3434ae921f |
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nqp/ctmo: 7c1a5c6 | jonathan++ | src/ (2 files): |
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nqp/ctmo: Move an include so that the only things that stick stuff into the Parrot root namespace are in one PBC file. |
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nqp/ctmo: review: https://github.com/perl6/nqp/commit/7c1a5c6e26 |
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Util |
jnthn_: Does the MOP provide (at least in theory) an API to control inheritance? If so, would it limited to single inheritance? |
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jnthn_ |
Util: The core doesn't actually know what inheritance is at all. :) |
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Util |
For 6model's core, I agree; is it also true for the MOP itself. |
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* Util |
has not read the book :( |
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Util |
s{\.}{?} |
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jnthn_ |
Util: Individual meta-object implementations are free to implement inheritance as they wish. See NQPClassHOW.pm for an example of multiple inheritance, and see http://www.jnthn.net/papers/2011-nlpw-classes.pdf for an example where single inheritance is implemented. |
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jnthn_ |
It's possible to implement any desired MRO also. |
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jnthn_ |
NQPClassHOW.pm contains a C3 implementation, but you could just as easily write pre-order or whatever. |
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Util |
But it is the *meta*-object that must implement all this? The MOP has no API to say at runtime something like, "this particular class, let's change the MRO or inheritance tree just for it"? |
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I'm a little confused by what you're referring to as "the MOP". |
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If you want to change it by class, then you'd need to probably mix in to the meta-object for that class |
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And override compute_mro or some such. |
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Util |
Thanks! I will point the Python-on-Parrot discussion to this. |
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jnthn_ |
Essentially though, the meaning of a class (or role or grammar or whatever) is defined by its meta-object. |
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nqp/ctmo: 75b960b | jonathan++ | src/HLL (2 files): |
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nqp/ctmo: Can include constants anywhere, so do so. Now HLL.pir is just includes of NQP compiler output, and is thus ready to wave goodbye. |
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nqp/ctmo: review: https://github.com/perl6/nqp/commit/75b960bdf8 |
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nqp/ctmo: 1ccff4d | jonathan++ | build/Makefile.in: |
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nqp/ctmo: Keep dependencies honest. |
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nqp/ctmo: review: https://github.com/perl6/nqp/commit/1ccff4d38f |
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nqp/ctmo: a2f8d51 | jonathan++ | src/HLL/Actions.pm: |
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nqp/ctmo: Use curly brace classes when we'll have multiple in the same file. |
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nqp/ctmo: review: https://github.com/perl6/nqp/commit/a2f8d518d6 |
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nqp/ctmo: 675ee22 | jonathan++ | src/HLL/Compiler.pm: |
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nqp/ctmo: Clear up some cruft. Dunno what I was thinking... |
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nqp/ctmo: review: https://github.com/perl6/nqp/commit/675ee223e9 |
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nqp/ctmo: 2acf542 | jonathan++ | / (2 files): |
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nqp/ctmo: Eliminate HLL.pir. Now we're down to just one library that is overall PIR-compiled; the rest is NQP-compiled. We'll keep Regex.pbc fully in PIR for the foreseeable future, and everything else will trend towards its last remaining bits of PIR becoming NQP. |
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nqp/ctmo: review: https://github.com/perl6/nqp/commit/2acf542385 |
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nqp/ctmo: 00bb576 | jonathan++ | src/stage0/ (7 files): |
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nqp/ctmo: Update bootstrap. |
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nqp/ctmo: review: https://github.com/perl6/nqp/commit/00bb576e05 |
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