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dalek |
nqp/ctmo: 4e2bed3 | jonathan++ | src/ (2 files): |
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dalek |
nqp/ctmo: Remove magical loading of the NQP meta-objects library, and just do it with a use statement in the setting. |
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dalek |
nqp/ctmo: review: https://github.com/perl6/nqp/commit/4e2bed30f4 |
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dalek |
nqp/ctmo: 8147a0f | jonathan++ | src/stage0/ (6 files): |
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dalek |
nqp/ctmo: Update bootstrap, just to be sure the previous works out there too. |
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dalek |
nqp/ctmo: review: https://github.com/perl6/nqp/commit/8147a0fad6 |
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cotto |
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plparrot: 52b996b | leto++ | META.json: |
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dalek |
plparrot: Add a skeleton pgxn meta.json file |
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dalek |
plparrot: review: https://github.com/leto/plparr[…]commit/52b996bb91 |
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dalek |
plparrot: 5f4d360 | leto++ | META.json: |
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dalek |
plparrot: meta.json wants a semantic version number, so give it one |
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dalek |
plparrot: review: https://github.com/leto/plparr[…]commit/5f4d36000a |
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dalek |
plparrot: 65e3360 | leto++ | META.json: |
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dalek |
plparrot: Add repo and bugtracker to meta.json |
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dalek |
plparrot: review: https://github.com/leto/plparr[…]commit/65e3360d0b |
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plparrot: c612728 | leto++ | META.json: |
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dalek |
plparrot: Add more details to meta.json |
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dalek |
plparrot: review: https://github.com/leto/plparr[…]commit/c6127280dc |
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parrot: 84a6b3b | petdance++ | src/ops/var.ops: |
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dalek |
parrot: consted a few variables |
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dalek |
parrot: review: https://github.com/parrot/parr[…]commit/84a6b3b239 |
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dalek |
parrot: 74e2932 | petdance++ | src/ops/set.ops: |
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dalek |
parrot: consted a var |
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dalek |
parrot: review: https://github.com/parrot/parr[…]commit/74e29327cc |
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dalek |
parrot: f99d63c | petdance++ | src/ops/object.ops: |
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dalek |
parrot: removed an unnecessary setting of a var |
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dalek |
parrot: review: https://github.com/parrot/parr[…]commit/f99d63cbd9 |
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dalek |
parrot: 968fcad | petdance++ | src/ops/math.ops: |
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dalek |
parrot: consted a var |
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dalek |
parrot: review: https://github.com/parrot/parr[…]commit/968fcad160 |
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dalek |
parrot: 8f7ec49 | petdance++ | src/dynoplibs/ (2 files): |
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dalek |
parrot: consted a var |
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dalek |
parrot: review: https://github.com/parrot/parr[…]commit/8f7ec49864 |
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dalek |
parrot: 9f7969e | petdance++ | src/ops/core.ops: |
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dalek |
parrot: consted a pointer. Undid some unnecessary var setting |
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dalek |
parrot: review: https://github.com/parrot/parr[…]commit/9f7969e6fd |
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plparrot: 3c2246a | leto++ | Makefile: |
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dalek |
plparrot: Get rid of svn-- revision checking junk |
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dalek |
plparrot: review: https://github.com/leto/plparr[…]commit/3c2246a146 |
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tadzik |
where does the select pmc live? |
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tadzik |
wasn't it merged? |
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tadzik |
ah, not |
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* tadzik |
sad panda |
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tadzik |
cotto_work: ping |
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rohit_nsit08 |
hello #parrot |
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tadzik |
hello rohit_nsit08 |
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rohit_nsit08 |
tadzik: hi, good morning |
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dalek |
Rosella: d8321a6 | Whiteknight++ | src/harness/TestFile.winxed: |
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dalek |
Rosella: swap_handles is a utility function, not a method |
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dalek |
Rosella: review: https://github.com/Whiteknight[…]commit/d8321a6d3f |
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dalek |
Rosella: 2de0727 | Whiteknight++ | src/harness/ (3 files): |
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dalek |
Rosella: start adding debug output to test harness |
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dalek |
Rosella: review: https://github.com/Whiteknight[…]commit/2de07276cc |
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whiteknight |
good morning, #parrot |
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tadzik |
good morning whiteknight |
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rohit_nsit08 |
whiteknight: hello |
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whiteknight |
hello tadzik, rohit_nsit08 |
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rohit_nsit08 |
whiteknight: Got surprised by how JavaScript get its dynamic nature :-) check the post http://rohitnsit08.blogspot.co[…]pt-internals.html |
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tadzik |
rohit_nsit08: "findout out more about it." Typo? |
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rohit_nsit08 |
tadzik: ya, the main was how execution contexts and scope chain works |
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rohit_nsit08 |
the code execution can only run inside execution contexts and transfer of control with pushing earlier context on stack |
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whiteknight |
http://rubini.us/2011/02/23/in[…]duction-to-fancy/ |
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whiteknight |
rohit_nsit08: I'll read that post in a bit |
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whitknight: okay |
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arnsholt |
rohit_nsit08: Which font are you using for bodytext on your blog, OOC? |
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arnsholt: hi, it's google font : Philosopher |
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lucian |
rohit_nsit08: i think you may misunderstand how 'this' works in js |
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rohit_nsit08 |
lucian: 'this' simply points to the container object , isn't it? |
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lucian |
rohit_nsit08: usually, yes. but the containing object isn't always clear |
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lucian |
closures are a case where 'this' often gets fucked up |
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lucian |
event callbacks, etc |
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rohit_nsit08 |
lucian: ya that's true, closures happen when there are inner function declarations. |
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rohit_nsit08 |
lucian: my guess is that in that case also , 'this' should point to the object containing that method only |
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lucian |
afaik, 'this' has an odd dynamic scoping, not lexical |
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lucian |
due to its implicit nature |
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atrodo |
i thought in js, this was set to the object the function was called on (or with apply) |
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rohit_nsit08 |
atrodo: agree |
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lucian |
atrodo: there are corner cases where it seems that doesn't happen |
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bubaflub |
rohit_nsit08: as a side note, IE sometimes fails to handle "this" correctly |
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atrodo |
lucian: for instance? |
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lucian |
although it does, in fact |
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lucian |
atrodo: let me see if i can find that article |
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rohit_nsit08 |
IE has its own Js specification, so can't comment on it. |
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rohit_nsit08 |
'this' has some problem with closures, I'll have to test it more i guess |
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rohit_nsit08 |
I'm testing my js codes on nodejs |
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rohit_nsit08 |
so they should work on chrome |
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lucian |
atrodo: hmm, http://jashkenas.github.com/coffee-script/ search for 'function binding' |
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lucian |
not quite what i was looking for |
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lucian |
rohit_nsit08: yeah, just ignore IE |
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lucian |
closures in JS get lexically scoped, for the most part |
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lucian |
except for this, which is dynamically scoped |
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atrodo |
lucian: right, a function call changes this |
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lucian |
rohit_nsit08: http://www.digital-web.com/art[…]pe_in_javascript/ might be helpful |
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lucian |
atrodo: i think where it looks very odd is with nested closures |
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lucian |
if you define a callback inside a closure that itself was a callback |
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atrodo |
lucian: right, a closure is a function. Calling that function changes this from what it was when you defined the function |
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lucian |
atrodo: yes, and you would like to get the 'this' at the beginning of the closure chain |
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lucian |
you can do it explicitly with .apply, which is what CoffeeScript does with => |
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dalek |
parrot-linear-algebra: ab2c7b6 | Whiteknight++ | t/harness: |
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dalek |
parrot-linear-algebra: make sure to run tests inline |
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dalek |
parrot-linear-algebra: review: https://github.com/Whiteknight[…]commit/ab2c7b6542 |
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dalek |
parrot-linear-algebra: 0340153 | Whiteknight++ | t/ (2 files): |
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dalek |
parrot-linear-algebra: remove debugging garbage from harness. fix typo in set_block.t |
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dalek |
parrot-linear-algebra: review: https://github.com/Whiteknight[…]commit/0340153052 |
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dalek |
parrot-linear-algebra: a4e1696 | Whiteknight++ | t/methods/complexmatrix2d/convert_to_complex_matrix.t: |
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dalek |
parrot-linear-algebra: fix another typo. All tests run again (but most fail) |
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dalek |
parrot-linear-algebra: review: https://github.com/Whiteknight[…]commit/a4e169663d |
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dalek |
parrot-linear-algebra: b9a3697 | Whiteknight++ | t/harness: |
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dalek |
parrot-linear-algebra: fix typo in harness. Start reclaiming tests |
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dalek |
parrot-linear-algebra: review: https://github.com/Whiteknight[…]commit/b9a36973a6 |
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dalek |
parrot-linear-algebra: bf705ea | Whiteknight++ | t/ (10 files): |
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dalek |
parrot-linear-algebra: update several assertions and other calls to the new architecture. Reclaim a bunch more tests |
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dalek |
parrot-linear-algebra: review: https://github.com/Whiteknight[…]commit/bf705eabd3 |
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dalek |
parrot-linear-algebra: 32125af | Whiteknight++ | t/ (14 files): |
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dalek |
parrot-linear-algebra: fix references to test factory, a few other fixes. Reclaim several other tests |
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dalek |
parrot-linear-algebra: review: https://github.com/Whiteknight[…]commit/32125aff71 |
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dalek |
parrot-linear-algebra: 1a76233 | Whiteknight++ | t/testlib/methods/gemm.nqp: |
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dalek |
parrot-linear-algebra: fix gemm tests. methods are all tests, so utilities have to be subs |
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dalek |
parrot-linear-algebra: review: https://github.com/Whiteknight[…]commit/1a762332ce |
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dalek |
parrot-linear-algebra: aa5c604 | Whiteknight++ | t/testlib/methods/set_block.nqp: |
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dalek |
parrot-linear-algebra: fix setblock tests |
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dalek |
parrot-linear-algebra: review: https://github.com/Whiteknight[…]commit/aa5c604ce3 |
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dalek |
parrot-linear-algebra: 8a6dca3 | Whiteknight++ | t/methods/ (45 files): |
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dalek |
parrot-linear-algebra: fix all remaing tests. no more failures |
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dalek |
parrot-linear-algebra: review: https://github.com/Whiteknight[…]commit/8a6dca31f4 |
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whiteknight |
note to self: Huge rewrites and refactors to your test library means huge rewrites to all test suites which use it |
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atrodo |
whiteknight: note to self, progress is work |
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* atrodo |
hates progress some days |
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lucian |
atrodo: this is also ugly http://jibbering.com/faq/notes/closures/#clAc |
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whiteknight |
the changes are all necessary, and I'm much more happy now with Rosella.Test than I used to be |
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atrodo |
And those are the days i love progress. We have a love/hate relationship |
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whiteknight |
of course, I have several dozen test files in PLA which basically need identical updates, but which aren't amenable to a quick sedscript |
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cotto_work |
~~ |
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whiteknight |
good morning cotto_work |
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cotto_work |
hi whiteknight |
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whiteknight |
cotto_work: did you get my email last night? |
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cotto_work |
whiteknight: I did. The part about making the concurrency proxies RO sounded a lot like the ro variant vtables we have. |
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whiteknight |
cotto_work: yes, very similar. The big draw of the proxy is that we can intercept calls and make intelligent decisions about them. Also, open them up for subclassing and hllmapping |
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cotto_work |
Yeah. It's more fine-grained. |
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whiteknight |
A similar mechanism could be used to cut out ro_variant vtables entirely, which are a huge waste of space |
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whiteknight |
an RO proxy object would be extremely easy to create (Rosella does it now in like 30 lines of winxed code) |
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cotto_work |
Overall it struck me as sensible. I'd like to take another hour and give it a second more thorough read. |
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whiteknight |
it's a first draft. I expect it to be more the start of the conversation than the end of it |
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whiteknight |
what I want to avoid is getting stuck in a trap of providing too much or too little. We give people sane, safe defaults and let them get into trouble if they want |
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whiteknight |
If somebody says "I want to be able to modify data across threads with no wait and no latency, but I'm going to provide my own implementation of locks" whatever, that's a personal decision |
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Parrot can warn you loudly, but we shouldn't insert a bunch of costly logic to prevent problems |
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one thing I like about the proxy idea is that the proxy can contain a reference to the owner thread of the target PMC, so every PMC in the system doesn't need to be saddled with ownership information |
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whiteknight |
So long as you work through the proxy, everything is safe. If you insist on talking to the target directly, it's on you |
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cotto_work: ping |
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tadzik: pong |
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tadzik: you pinged? |
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\o |
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moritz |
I just noticed that rakudo's perl6.pbc is 11MB, and just 1.3 if gzip-compressed |
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moritz |
what makes those PBC so huge? |
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moritz |
11004336 / 1288994 |
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aloha |
8.53715067719477 |
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moritz |
compressed by a factor 8.5 |
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PerlJam |
run strings on it and see if there is a lot of textual data? |
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moritz |
$ strings perl6.pbc|wc -c |
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247949 |
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moritz |
247949 / 11004336 |
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aloha |
0.0225319365021206 |
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moritz |
2.3% |
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aloha |
0.023 |
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moritz |
not very significant |
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cotto_work: aye |
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whiteknight |
parrot de-duplicates strings internally, I think |
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tadzik |
cotto_work: #2034, you mentioned you want to review the Select PMC once again. Got some spare time to do that? |
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moritz: I only get a factor of 4.8 compression on my system. Maybe you've got double wide alignment compared to me :-) |
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PerlJam: do you have a 32bit system? |
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tadzik: possibly. I might be slow to respond though. |
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PerlJam |
I don't think this system is 32bit |
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PerlJam: if it's linuxoid, uname -a will tell you |
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moritz: perl6.pbc is 5.34MB here, on windows 7 |
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tadzik |
11 MBs, 64bit linux |
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32 bit windows 7 :) |
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moritz |
I just sent an email to parrot-dev, and it bounced with "Recipient address rejected: User unknown in virtual alias table |
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" |
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moritz |
oh |
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moritz |
I sent to @parrot instead of @lists.parrot |
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whiteknight |
about the bytecode size issue? |
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dukeleto |
whiteknight: ping |
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whiteknight |
pong |
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whiteknight: yes |
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cotto_work |
tadzik: will you be around tomorrow? |
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dukeleto |
~~ |
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moritz: I haven't gotten that email yet, I don't think |
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moritz |
whiteknight: I haven't resent it |
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moritz |
whiteknight: I've said everything I have to say here on #parrot too |
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whiteknight |
ok |
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whiteknight |
now that the biggest portion of the IMCC refactors are done, we can start seriously looking at the serialization changes needed by rakudo |
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whiteknight |
the imcc_compreg_pmc and then the packfile_wrap branches were prerequisites for that work |
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whiteknight |
now we can pass packfiles around as PMCs throughout most of the system instead of structure pointers, manage them with GC, and link between them |
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whiteknight |
rohitnsit08: I read your blog post. It all looks very good |
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tadzik |
cotto_work: yeah, probably |
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tadzik |
cotto_work: I also merged master into tewk/select |
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cotto_work |
ok |
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cotto_work |
I'm afk for the rest of the day. |
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cotto_work |
whiteknight++ for the release streamlining thoughts. If I weren't going out the door, I'd love to comment. |
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whiteknight |
there's always more time to talk! |
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lucian_ |
whiteknight: i didn't realised you adhered to this so closely http://www.total-knowledge.com[…]lya/mips/ugt.html |
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realises that whiteknight follows standards better |
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whiteknight |
lucian: I like it |
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whiteknight |
:) |
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whiteknight |
msg soh_cah_toa Check out this link: http://blog.llvm.org/2011/04/r[…]ion-commands.html |
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aloha |
OK. I'll deliver the message. |
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whiteknight |
msg soh_cah_toa nothing you need to worry about for your project, but still fun to think about :) |
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aloha |
OK. I'll deliver the message. |
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