Camelia, the Perl 6 bug

IRC log for #parrot, 2011-08-18

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00:02 whiteknight i can't imagine how we would restrict them to just invokables
00:03 plobsing well for one, most things won't have a slot for them
00:03 plobsing but why would we want to restrict it?
00:04 plobsing if you ask for something stupid, parrot should serve it up on a silver platter
00:14 plobsing I used the :descriptor(string) syntax for something human readable, but I expect these will be compiled down into an efficient machine representation IMCC (or equivalent)
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02:12 dalek parrot/tar_shasum: 9d842b8 | jkeenan++ | config/ (3 files):
02:12 dalek parrot/tar_shasum: Convert 'tar' and 'sha256sum' into Makefile variables.  Allow for 'shasum -a 256' on Darwin.
02:13 dalek parrot/tar_shasum: review: https://github.com/parrot/parrot/commit/9d842b8892
02:34 dalek parrot/tar_shasum: 7a273f6 | jkeenan++ | config/init/hints/darwin.pm:
02:34 dalek parrot/tar_shasum: Correct Darwin version of sha256sum.
02:34 dalek parrot/tar_shasum: review: https://github.com/parrot/parrot/commit/7a273f6c70
02:34 Coke ooh, sweet.
02:34 Coke kid51++
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04:12 cotto ~~
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04:59 thowe Hi.  So, I am trying to build rakudo along with parrot and I get this: http://scsys.co.uk:8002/133702
04:59 thowe I asked the Perl6 guys about it and they said I should ask in here...
05:00 thowe This is the latest rakudo tar ball.
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06:59 dalek parrot/whiteknight/frontend_parrot2: a2bbc00 | plobsing++ | / (5 files):
06:59 dalek parrot/whiteknight/frontend_parrot2: avoid depending on interp's current context for backtrace printing
06:59 dalek parrot/whiteknight/frontend_parrot2:
06:59 dalek parrot/whiteknight/frontend_parrot2: the top of a backtrace is the top, not wherever current context happens to be
06:59 dalek parrot/whiteknight/frontend_parrot2: pointing now (as opposed to when the continuation being backtraced was captured)
06:59 dalek parrot/whiteknight/frontend_parrot2: review: https://github.com/parrot/parrot/commit/a2bbc00c85
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08:15 pmichaud http://gist.github.com/1153639 # lexpad iteration fail
08:29 lucian http://blog.bossylobster.com/2011/08/le​sson-v8-can-teach-python-and-other.html
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08:44 not_gerd good morning, #parrot
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08:55 dalek TT #2181 created by pmichaud++: Bug in HashIteratorKey .value method when used with LexPad PMC
08:55 dalek TT #2181: http://trac.parrot.org/parrot/ticket/2181
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10:58 dalek parrot/tar_shasum: 1f9923a | jkeenan++ | config/init/ (4 files):
10:58 dalek parrot/tar_shasum: Provide inline comments to document choices for 'tar' and 'sha256sum'.  For
10:58 dalek parrot/tar_shasum: FreeBSD and OpenBSD, make guesses based on their 'man' pages.
10:58 dalek parrot/tar_shasum: review: https://github.com/parrot/parrot/commit/1f9923ab1c
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11:04 kid51 msg thowe Please try to build Parrot itself from source, i.e., from a release tarball.  If you can do that, then that suggests the error is somewhere in the Rakudo Star build process.
11:04 aloha OK. I'll deliver the message.
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11:47 * kid51 posted on parrot-dev re 'sha256 checksum during make release' problem.  If someone can supplement this with solution on Win32, please do so.
11:51 moritz kid51: aren't there perl core modules that implement sha256?
11:52 moritz Digest.pm is a core module since perl 5.7.3
11:52 moritz and at least the current Digest.pm supports sha256
11:53 moritz not sure if older ones do too
11:54 moritz its 'Changes' file says for release 1.03 (shipped with perl 5.8.3): 'Digest->new("SHA-256") and similar should work now
11:54 moritz '
11:56 moritz I see that lucian++ had the same idea
11:56 kid51 moritz:  Thanks. I will look into that, as it will likely provide a more across-the-board solution.
12:00 lucian depending on perl's digest module, it might still be better to use the shell tools on unix
12:00 moritz if better = faster, yes
12:01 moritz though it's just factors slower, not orders of magnitude
12:01 lucian so there could be several sha256 platforms: darwin, linux, *bsd, perl5digest
12:02 moritz lucian: but maybe it's just not worth the effort, and one always uses perl
12:02 * moritz benchmarkes for comparison
12:04 lucian moritz: if the shell ones are already written and work, it doesn't seem that much effort to maintain them
12:05 moritz lucian: well, one must maintain the code that decides which to use
12:06 lucian sure, and if the perl one's fast enough, it's ok
12:07 lucian i'd expect them to use the same libs anyway
12:07 moritz just timed it with a 50M file: 0.519s perl version, 0.506s command line utility
12:10 lucian moritz: on linux?
12:10 moritz lucian: yes
12:10 lucian i guess perl'll be using the same libs everywhere
12:12 moritz lucian: yes, it's a C/XS module
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12:21 Coke thowe: you hit the channel at a dead time, sorry about that; if you open a ticket, then the bug repot won't get lost.
12:21 Coke (trac.parrot.org)
12:22 kid51 I like moritz's idea, as in the branch I'm already up to 3 different shell commands.
12:23 kid51 Won't have time to try it out until tonight at earliest, so if anyone else wants to create a patch, that would be cool.
12:23 * kid51 to dayjob
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12:27 dalek winxed: 2a5ac47 | NotFound++ | / (2 files):
12:27 dalek winxed: optimize a bit handling of the is_multi flag
12:27 dalek winxed: review: https://github.com/NotFoun​d/winxed/commit/2a5ac47693
12:28 dalek winxed: ba8694a | NotFound++ | pir/winxed_compiler.pir:
12:28 dalek winxed: update installable compiler
12:28 dalek winxed: review: https://github.com/NotFoun​d/winxed/commit/ba8694ae27
12:28 dalek TT #2182 created by ligne++: argument assertion failure when quitting parrot_debugger
12:28 dalek TT #2182: http://trac.parrot.org/parrot/ticket/2182
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13:06 whiteknight good morning, #parrot
13:07 * lucian waves
13:10 whiteknight hello lucian
13:19 whiteknight msg benabik lets get together sometime for a meeting
13:19 aloha OK. I'll deliver the message.
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13:30 cotto nom gets rid of rebless_subclass! <3
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13:33 dalek parrot: a0dbe1f | NotFound++ | / (4 files):
13:33 dalek parrot: add function Parrot_str_new_init and replace common parts of to_string methods with a call to it
13:33 dalek parrot: review: https://github.com/parrot/parrot/commit/a0dbe1f7d0
13:33 NotFound Ups... wrong function name
13:36 plobsing whiteknight: in your most recent blog post you maligned some comments I wrote. Do you have any advice on how I could have written them better?
13:37 whiteknight plobsing: I maligned your comments?
13:38 plobsing "I’ve removed comments for clarity (No, that’s not some kind of a joke. There were comments in this snippet, and they are not helpful for understandability)."
13:38 plobsing those were *my* comments. what did I do wrong?
13:38 whiteknight oh, those comments were XXX type comments, not helpful for the readability of the blog post
13:38 whiteknight I'm sorry, I didn't intend that to be a swipe at the comment author
13:39 plobsing oh. what I got from that was that my comments were not useful.
13:39 * plobsing needs to read more closely
13:39 plobsing *carefully
13:39 whiteknight Yeah, I'm sorry. I definitely did not intend to insult, I didn't think the comments would help the blog post, and I removed them
13:40 whiteknight but the phrase "I've removed comments for clarity" seems like some kind of weird, deadpan joke, and that's not how I wanted it to be read
13:40 whiteknight I should have been more clear
13:41 plobsing ok, glad we got that cleared up
13:41 whiteknight They were like XXX and TT #... comments, right?
13:42 * whiteknight has to go look at the code again
13:42 plobsing both XXX
13:42 plobsing no TT's involved IIRC
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13:47 dalek parrot: 865c881 | NotFound++ | src/embed.c:
13:47 dalek parrot: allow NULL in ignored parameter, TT #2182, ligne++
13:47 dalek parrot: review: https://github.com/parrot/parrot/commit/865c88149b
13:53 dalek TT #2182 closed by NotFound++: argument assertion failure when quitting parrot_debugger
13:53 dalek TT #2182: http://trac.parrot.org/parrot/ticket/2182
13:55 ttbot Parrot a0dbe1f7 MSWin32-x86-multi-thread make error http://tt.taptinder.org/cmdinfo/44848
13:58 whiteknight win32--
13:58 whiteknight We should tell ttbot to change the name of the platform to "win32--"
13:59 atrodo whiteknight++
13:59 whiteknight so we don't need to manually deduct karma on every failure
13:59 * moritz believes that C++ wasn't meant to be a real programming language, just a means for giving C more karma
14:03 whiteknight in the early days of mediawiki, you couldn't have "+" in an article title. So people were setting up article names like "C-/- -/-" and "C_plus_plus" and other terrible things
14:04 whiteknight -/- looks like a + if you squint your eyes and ignore the fact that it doesn't
14:05 cotto + looks like a + too
14:05 plobsing -/- looks like someone squiting their eyes trying to make -/- look like +
14:09 dalek rakudo/nom: 48a44ea | pmichaud++ | src/core/ (8 files):
14:09 dalek rakudo/nom: Move &infix:<eqv> and &infix:<===> candidates into their appropriate files.
14:09 dalek rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/48a44ea954
14:09 dalek rakudo/nom: c69d4ba | pmichaud++ | src/core/ (11 files):
14:09 dalek rakudo/nom: Refactor core class stubs a bit.
14:10 dalek rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/c69d4ba028
14:10 atrodo -|- looks more like a +
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14:12 dalek rakudo/nom: 66675a3 | pmichaud++ | tools/build/Makefile.in:
14:12 dalek rakudo/nom: Need update to Makefile ordering for stubs refactor.
14:12 dalek rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/66675a30b3
14:17 whiteknight atrodo: | runs afoul of the same HTML encoding restrictions as + does
14:17 ttbot Parrot 865c8814 MSWin32-x86-multi-thread make error http://tt.taptinder.org/cmdinfo/44864
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14:28 dalek rakudo/nom: 39f444a | masak++ | / (2 files):
14:28 dalek rakudo/nom: Revert "implement p5chomp, p5chop (scalar case only)"
14:28 dalek rakudo/nom:
14:28 dalek rakudo/nom: This reverts commit 6cac7f1d1b44ba80b0ce799ae9774dd27004393a.
14:28 dalek rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/39f444a818
14:36 dalek rakudo: a553460 | masak++ | t/spectest.data:
14:36 dalek rakudo: [t/spectest.data] remove p5chop.t and p5chomp.t
14:36 dalek rakudo: review: https://github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/a553460953
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14:42 dalek website: rohit_nsit08++ | corellaScript : Arrays
14:42 dalek website: http://www.parrot.org/content/corellascript-arrays
14:42 dalek rakudo/nom: 3a2e045 | masak++ | t/spectest.data:
14:42 dalek rakudo/nom: [t/spectest.data] remove p5chop.t and p5chomp.t
14:42 dalek rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/3a2e045dba
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14:58 dalek rakudo/nom: 85e004f | pmichaud++ | src/core/metaops.pm:
14:58 dalek rakudo/nom: Fix "undefined value" warning in hyperoperators noted by jnthn++ .
14:58 dalek rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/85e004fa2e
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17:36 Eclesia hi
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17:41 whiteknight hello Eclesia
17:50 dalek rakudo/nom: f147bf8 | tadzik++ | lib/Pod/To/Text.pm:
17:50 dalek rakudo/nom: [Pod::To::Text] Align table columns
17:50 dalek rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/f147bf849c
17:50 dalek rakudo/nom: d664591 | tadzik++ | / (2 files):
17:50 dalek rakudo/nom: Fix a bug in tables with trailing newlines, add test
17:50 dalek rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/d66459128a
17:50 dalek rakudo/nom: 195fef4 | tadzik++ | t/pod/08-formattingcodes.t:
17:50 dalek rakudo/nom: Add formattingcodes tests
17:50 dalek rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/195fef4742
17:53 cotto ~~
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17:59 whiteknight hello cotto
18:12 cotto hi whiteknight
18:13 cotto I spent the day attending a Perl6 class lead by jnthn++.  Turns out that Rakudo is substantially awesomer than I suspected.
18:14 cotto He also showed me through 6model a bit.
18:15 tadzik I should have gone to that one
18:16 cotto tadzik, you could have joined masak and pmichaud for heckling.
18:16 tadzik heckling?
18:17 cotto making sarcastic and/or distracting remarks
18:17 tadzik :)
18:17 cotto sadly, they didn't get very much heckling done.
18:25 * Coke wishes he could see jnthn++
18:25 Coke s talks.
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18:51 bubaflub was it recorded?
18:51 cotto jnthn's talk wasn't.  It was several hours long.
18:52 tadzik you mean the training, right? So all the other talks were?
18:52 cotto tadzik, correct
18:52 tadzik cool
18:52 cotto they should be on yapc.tv at some point
18:57 plobsing yapc.tv doesn't appear to have anything from the last 2 years
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18:58 cotto I noticed that just now.  Videos from yapcs past sometimes disappear into the ether.
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19:15 Caldrin Hi!
19:15 whiteknight hello Caldrin
19:15 Eclesia ~~
19:19 Eclesia damn, switching everyday from java to winxed, makes me write silly things :  final var string str
19:22 whiteknight :)
19:22 Caldrin I try to work to the Perl6 book which is referenced on perl6.org. There is an example in it, that does not work for me. I pasted my version to http://perlpunks.de/paste/show/4e4d663b.6c46.76
19:22 Caldrin This brings the following error message:
19:23 Caldrin No such attribute '$!salary' in class 'Employee' in 'GeekCook::new' at line 42:/home/hmai/Projekte/Pra​ctice/Perl6/Book/class2.p6 in main program body at line 46:/home/hmai/Projekte/Pra​ctice/Perl6/Book/class2.p6
19:23 atrodo Eclesia> I had a similar experience this week going form Delphi to JavaScript.  For some reason, that switch was hard
19:23 Caldrin Can someone please tell me what the issue in my example code is? As far as I understood, the $!salary should exist and if I subclass Employee without overwriting new is actually does.
19:25 Caldrin My rakudo version is from git clones on Tuesday.
19:26 nine cotto: read a lot of Parrot code on the way back home from YAPC. Is there more information available about the current state? Seems like basic threading support is there and it even works according to 901 lines of test code. From what I've seen, theres no GC as long as more than one thread is running?
19:26 whiteknight Caldrin: good question
19:26 Caldrin Thank you.
19:27 whiteknight Caldrin: the code looks good. You might need to talk to a perl6 expert
19:27 Eclesia atrodo: the worse thing is loosing the auto-completion
19:27 Caldrin whiteknight: Actually I thought I could find them here. Can you please give me a pointer where to look for one?
19:27 whiteknight moritz: ping
19:28 whiteknight Caldrin: The main IRC channel for perl6 is irc.freenode.net/#perl6
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19:29 Caldrin IC.
19:29 Caldrin Thank you.
19:38 sorear Caldrin: need help?
19:41 Caldrin sorear: Indeed I do.
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20:14 moritz whiteknight: pong
20:15 whiteknight moritz: Caldrin was looking for a perl6 expert, but I think sorear caught up first
20:15 Caldrin whiteknight: No he did not.
20:15 Caldrin moritz: Query
20:16 whiteknight oh, I was mistaken
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20:47 thowe Hi.  I'm trying to setup Rakudo with Parrot and it is crashing when it gets to ./parrot-nqp --target=pir compilers/data_json/JSON.nqp > runtime/parrot/languages/JSON/JSON.pir
20:55 thowe OK, so I tried just building parrot on its own and it crashes here: ./parrot-nqp --target=pir --output=compilers/opsc/ge​n/Ops/Compiler/Actions.pir compilers/opsc/src/Ops/Compiler/Actions.pm
20:56 benabik thowe: Platform?
20:56 thowe OpenBSD 4.9 i386
20:57 thowe I could also try on a 5.0 beta machine in a few minutes...
20:57 thowe I have successfully used past versions.
20:58 benabik Sounds like it's a problem with something in/used by NQP.
20:58 thowe I could paste more data somewhere if it helps...
20:58 thowe I take it this isn't a known issue...
20:59 benabik Not known by me.
20:59 benabik 3.6 worked and 3.7 doesn't?
20:59 thowe this is 3.6
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20:59 thowe I was trying same version that failed with rakudo
21:00 thowe also, it's the latest I see here: http://ftp.parrot.org/releases/supported/
21:01 benabik Ah.  3.7 was released yesterday.
21:02 benabik I'm looking around to see if there's anything that stands out…  Not 100% sure how to debug the issue.  If it's a segfault, you might try running the failed command via GDB.
21:02 thowe yeah, it's a segfault
21:03 benabik I'd lay decent odds on a GC issue then.  I wonder if there's a missing write barrier somewhere.
21:03 thowe I'll have to look up how to do that.  I've only used gdb a little some time ago
21:03 thowe gc?
21:03 benabik Garbage Collection
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21:07 thowe yeah, I don't know how to make gdb run that whole command.
21:07 benabik gdb ./parrot-nqp ; set args --target=pir --output=compilers/opsc/ge​n/Ops/Compiler/Actions.pir compilers/opsc/src/Ops/Compiler/Actions.pm ; run ; # wait for crash ; bt
21:07 benabik Where ; == return
21:08 thowe cool, running
21:09 thowe huh, said executed normally..  must be something after that that I don't see that is crashing...
21:09 benabik Do you have parrot installed?  It might be using the old libraries and such.  Not sure how to fix that.
21:10 thowe no, no parrot
21:10 benabik Oh.  Then it's probably a GC issue.  Those are fun because sometimes observing them causes them to change.  :-(  Will need someone more versed in the deep magic to help.
21:11 Coke could try overriding the default GC instead.
21:11 thowe this time it died elsewhere...  last command I see is ./parrot-nqp --target=pir --output=compilers/opsc/ge​n/Ops/Compiler/Grammar.pir compilers/opsc/src/Ops/Compiler/Grammar.pm
21:11 Coke I assume thowe is more interesting just getting rakudo to work at this point.
21:11 thowe well, playing with Perl6 was my main goal...
21:11 plobsing thowe: you ran the crashing command from make in gdb and it ran fine? can you try rerunning make to see if it progresses further?
21:12 thowe no, I just ran the one command.  I could run make instead.
21:16 thowe running make in gdb doesn't seem to give more info...  backtrace says "no stack"
21:16 thowe the error code is 139, "Stop in /home/tim/parrot-3.6.0 (line 14 of compilers/opsc/Rules.mak)."
21:17 thowe Emitter.pm stuff on that line
21:18 benabik If parrot can't run NQP properly, I'm not sure compiling Rakudo will go very well.
21:18 benabik And I'm going to go AFK for a bit and rest my hand.
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21:21 plobsing thowe: can you put the make output on a pastebin somewhere and give us a link?
21:22 thowe sure
21:22 thowe fresh make, after a config run?
21:23 plobsing sure, sounds fine
21:23 thowe the thing is, if I keep running make it seems to get a little further every time.  this seems to support the gc theory
21:25 plobsing are you running parallel make (eg: -j3)? perhaps it is failing for one dependancy, but making progress on independant targets
21:26 thowe http://scsys.co.uk:8002/134088
21:26 thowe just "make"
21:26 plobsing alternatively, doesn't one of the bsds' makes randomize its orders? that would have a similar effect.
21:27 thowe don't know, randomizing of certain things is an OpenBSD thing
21:28 thowe but I think it was Parrot 3.3.0 that was working for me last.  Is this one much different?
21:28 thowe http://scsys.co.uk:8002/134088
21:28 plobsing so does './parrot-nqp --target=pir --output=compilers/opsc/gen/Ops/Emitter.pir compilers/opsc/src/Ops/Emitter.pm' segfault for you then?
21:29 thowe that seems to be where it ended this time...  If I type make a few more times I am sure I'll get further
21:30 thowe could this be the same thing: http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.c​omp.compilers.parrot.tickets/11344
21:35 thowe this patch is not in my tarball
21:36 plobsing you could try patching and remaking
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21:37 benabik That commit is in 3.7 but not 3.6
21:37 benabik (would have found it if the commit mentioned BSD, but it only has the TT#
21:38 thowe I just manually applied the changes (I hope), trying again.
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21:45 thowe seems to build after that patch \o/
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21:45 thowe I should try 3.7
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21:55 thowe is there not a 3.7 tar ball?
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21:59 benabik 3.7 is a developer release…  IIRC, *.0 *.3, *.6, and *.9 are supported, others are dev.
21:59 benabik ftp://ftp.parrot.org/pub/p​arrot/releases/devel/3.7.0
22:01 plobsing perhaps we need to cut a 3.6.1 release to support openbsd?
22:08 benabik And perhaps the msys fixes as well.
22:21 thowe 3.7 seems to compile OK.
22:22 thowe on OpenBSD, that is
22:34 dalek Heuristic branch merge: pushed 31 commits to parrot/nqp_pct by Benabik
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23:28 Coke (3.6.1 bugfix release) depends on how proactive we wish to be, but yah.
23:28 Coke I might set the bar as low as "if one more person comes to the channel..." ;)
23:28 dalek TT #2183 created by coke++: sha256 problem encountered during 'make release'
23:28 dalek TT #2183: http://trac.parrot.org/parrot/ticket/2183
23:30 dalek parrot/tar_shasum: 6989471 | jkeenan++ | / (7 files):
23:30 dalek parrot/tar_shasum: Use Perl program written by moritz++ as cross-platform way of creating sha256 checksum on release tarballs.
23:30 dalek parrot/tar_shasum: review: https://github.com/parrot/parrot/commit/6989471ac7
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23:47 whiteknight good evening, #parrot
23:48 soh_cah_toa whiteknight: hey
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23:53 kid51_ burst of lightning broke my net connection
23:54 whiteknight kid51_: it's a sign
23:54 whiteknight hello soh_cah_toa
23:58 whiteknight bleh. Any git experts hereabouts?

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